New to this list. Recently found person of interest on New York Passenger Lists, 1820 - 1957, at ancestry.com. Mary Quinn, arriving on 8 October 1907, line 1, last residence Aughrem. Can someone help me zero in on where this is? One online map shows it in Wicklow, but are there other places with the same name elsewhere in Ireland? If someone with an Ancestry subscription could look at the passenger arrival record, perhaps you could decipher column 11 naming her closest relative. I can't make it out. Thanks!

Stephanie inquires: === Also, has anyone ever heard of the town Kyle in Co Wicklow?? Is it actually KILL??? This is where my great grandfather was born? and I always thought it was near Kiltegan but now I understand there are two towns by this name . . . ???? === Stephanie, Kyle townland is in Kilcommon civil parish and is about 7 miles SE of Kiltegan town. Kill townland is in Rathbran civil parish and is 4 to 5 miles NW of Kiltegan town. I can't help you with the genealogy, but if you'd like more information regarding the geography, drop me a line. Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Hi List I'm wondering if anyone has any experience researching at Kings Inns????? Someone recently suggested that I might find my gg grandfather's will there. Also, has anyone ever heard of the town Kyle in Co Wicklow??Is it actually KILL???This is where my great grandfather was born?and I always thought it was near Kiltegan but now I understand there are two towns by this name . . . ???? Thank you, Stephanie still searching for William Whately (Wheatley?)

Hello Pat - my gr grand mother was Susanna Legett from Coolafancy , Co. Wicklow and was born c 1798. She died in 1866 and is buried in Hacketstown cemetery. She married William Mitchell of Tombeagh, Hacketstown .Co. Wicklow. Their children were, Abraham,Robert, Frances, Susan, Mary Ann, Elizabeth, Henry and Mary Jane. I would like to find out who her siblings were. Gladys - Sask. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&PSmyth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] MACDONALD-LEGGETT >I am researching the family of ROBERT MCDONALD LEGGETT born Skye 1841, > Montgomery's Highlander, Loyalist North Carolina, Nova Scotia, arrived > Wicklow c 1780, wife UNA STEWART(STUART) born Bute. Known children: > Benjamin,(married MARTHA AGAR in Kiltennel Parish 20 April 1811. > John born c 1770 m Elizabeth children: Robert, John, Jane and Anna > Gabriel emigrated to Philadelphia c 1800 > Anna > > John and Benjamin and as |William emigrated to Upper Canada on Brig > Atlantic > c 1817 and settled in South Crosby Leeds County. > > Pat Smyth Lindsay Ontario > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Joyce. This is most helpful. I think it would now be best for me to order a copy of the marriage registration. They also lost a son William who died 1856 aged 4 months. They went on to have ten children.Another died at 11 months and my great grandmother at 23 following the birth of a child. Your help is appreciated. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Hendy of Wicklow > Rex > Your Thomas Hendy and Margaret Maria Long's marriage records are > available. > They were married in 1853, the marriage registered in Baltinglass > District. > If you wish to order a copy of the registration you will need the Volume > and > Page Nos. which are - Volume 2 and Page 419. This would take you back > another generation as the names of their father's should be on the > registration, also the church in which they were married. > Unfortunately registration of births didn't start until 1864 so Alice's > birth would not be registered. However, once you establish where they > were > married a search of the church records (if available) might reveal the > baptism of Alice. > I found the above details on the Irish Civil Registrations on > FamilySearch. > Details of how to order the above cert. can be found on > http://www.groireland.ie/ > > Hope this helps > Joyce > > >> I am hoping to discover information regarding the grandparents of my >> maternal grandmother. >> Thomas Hendy and Margaret Maria Long came to Australia arriving Melbourne >> Oct.1855 on "Constance".Travelling with them was a daughter Alice >> Hendy.Unfortunately she died 4 Mar 1856 aged 1 year.She had only been >> here >> for two months. >> Her death record indicates that she was born Wicklow Ireland.Of course I >> can't be sure if this is meant to indicate Co Wicklow. >> > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list I am hoping to discover information regarding the grandparents of my maternal grandmother. Thomas Hendy and Margaret Maria Long came to Australia arriving Melbourne Oct.1855 on "Constance".Travelling with them was a daughter Alice Hendy.Unfortunately she died 4 Mar 1856 aged 1 year.She had only been here for two months. Her death record indicates that she was born Wicklow Ireland.Of course I can't be sure if this is meant to indicate Co Wicklow. The shipping list for "Constance" states that Thomas was aged 30 and Margaret 24. I am assuming that Thomas and Margaret would have married in Wicklow. I will be most appreciative if someone can help me in identifying this family. Thank you. Rex Harry Australia Rex Harry

I am researching the family of ROBERT MCDONALD LEGGETT born Skye 1841, Montgomery's Highlander, Loyalist North Carolina, Nova Scotia, arrived Wicklow c 1780, wife UNA STEWART(STUART) born Bute. Known children: Benjamin,(married MARTHA AGAR in Kiltennel Parish 20 April 1811. John born c 1770 m Elizabeth children: Robert, John, Jane and Anna Gabriel emigrated to Philadelphia c 1800 Anna John and Benjamin and as |William emigrated to Upper Canada on Brig Atlantic c 1817 and settled in South Crosby Leeds County. Pat Smyth Lindsay Ontario

Rex Your Thomas Hendy and Margaret Maria Long's marriage records are available. They were married in 1853, the marriage registered in Baltinglass District. If you wish to order a copy of the registration you will need the Volume and Page Nos. which are - Volume 2 and Page 419. This would take you back another generation as the names of their father's should be on the registration, also the church in which they were married. Unfortunately registration of births didn't start until 1864 so Alice's birth would not be registered. However, once you establish where they were married a search of the church records (if available) might reveal the baptism of Alice. I found the above details on the Irish Civil Registrations on FamilySearch. Details of how to order the above cert. can be found on http://www.groireland.ie/ Hope this helps Joyce > I am hoping to discover information regarding the grandparents of my > maternal grandmother. > Thomas Hendy and Margaret Maria Long came to Australia arriving Melbourne > Oct.1855 on "Constance".Travelling with them was a daughter Alice > Hendy.Unfortunately she died 4 Mar 1856 aged 1 year.She had only been here > for two months. > Her death record indicates that she was born Wicklow Ireland.Of course I > can't be sure if this is meant to indicate Co Wicklow. >

Hi List I have been trying to track down my 3G Grandmother Maria BRYNE bc 1819 in Kildare and married James CARROLL from Wicklow bc 1809 in Kildare in 1839. Had four children William, George, John and unknown, who died, probably in Dublin, as well as Catherine Elizabeth in 1845 and Maria in 1856. Cannot find a marriage in Kildare and so was interested in posting in Wicklow as somebody might have a Carroll marrying a Byrne disapppearing. Also sometimes they show up in both parishes! They were RC. Hope to hear from somebody soon. John Hosie [email protected]

Hi Golding, I wonder if they did think of it as an adventure. And it certainly must have been heart-rending for them. The poor little beggars had so little to look forward to in Ireland and the horrors a lot of them would have gone through, what with the famine, typhus,etc!! I think they were incredibly brave. I look at my own children, now 23 to 29, and can't imagine how these girls could have gone off into the unknown at 14 or 15. Or boys of 16, 18, whatever, could have gone to war. They were only children! And the really tragic thing is that children today are still having to make the same sort of decisions. The book, by the way, is basically a list of all the girls who came to Australia under the scheme. Vol.2 is the updated version with names added that were missed the first time (like my Alice and Mary) and with any additional information added to the names in Vol.1 which descendents had passed on to the author. Perhaps you might have a look at it (in library perhaps) before you purchase. Are you in Sydney by any chance? (Or even Australia?_There is a memorial service at Hyde Park Barracks every year (August from memory) for the famine orphans. Lots of descendents go apparently. Cheers Barbara

Barbara Thank you once again- Sorry I'm not in your lovely country . I was born in Co Wicklow & now living in Dublin. - getting ready to celebrate St Patricks Day - in lovely springtime weather ! Time to set the potatoes ! Will have a look in the library . Cheers.......Golding .

To Barbara, Cara and others Thanks very much for the information you have provided. It has been most helpful. Kind regards Helen Australia On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Maurie O'Connor <[email protected]>wrote: > Now, did I miss this one on > http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm, or was I > confused > by all the Byrnes? > > Catherine Byrnes, 15 Years > Native place Dublin, RC > Parents Christopher & Rosanna (both dead) > Rathdowne Union, Empl. etc. etc. (putting this in for Cara's benefit). > > Have you contacted Tom Power from the Irish Famine Commemoration Committee. > Contact details on above website. He's a very nice gentleman and extremely > helpful. And he's also in regular contact with Trevor McClaughlin, author > of Barefoot & Pregnant. There could be some further information regarding > Catherine Byrnes which is not on the website. Or how to get information on > workhouse records. > > Just googled Rathdown Union Workhouse - > http://www.nationalarchives.ie/research/poorlaw.html says "National > Archives > holds several very complete collections of workhouse records relating to > ... > Rathdown Union". I have no idea how to access these records from > Australia, > but someone else might be able to advise. > > A lot of other interesting looking sites show up with a Google search. Look > at http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/jane_workhouse.htm<http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/%7Emgrogan/cork/jane_workhouse.htm>for a > description of the surviving inmate records. Sadly, no records remain for > Tuam, Galway from where my g-g-grandmother and her sister came to > Australia. > > Cheers > Barbara > > > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Barbara Thank you for your message. Suppose it may have been quite an adveture for those selected to go to Australia but still heart rending - getting a one way ticket. Wonderful to hear of the girls keeping in touch with their roots and saving to bring parents and siblings. Sadly we still have the same thing happening with refugees seeking asylum wherever they will be accepted.... in spite of the major advances in economic and social development ----200 years later ! Will look up the book - probably on Amazon Rgds.......Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurie O'Connor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] List Of Names From The RathdownUnionCountyWicklowTo Australia 1849/50 - Catherine Byrne I'm not sure where the title 'Barefoot & Pregnant' came from - not from the girls who came here. Earl Grey came up with the scheme to (a) empty the Irish workhouses and therefore lower the costs to the parishes, and (b) to provide brides for all those unruly single Irishmen in the colony. The workhouses were asked to put forward the names of suitable girls (and I don't think a pregnant lass would have stood a chance), and to provide each girl with travelling clothes and something to put them in, as well as paying for the cost of a chaperone and a doctor to accompany them. Australia was to pay for the cost of the passage - but Earl Grey neglected to tell Australian authorities that little fact until the scheme was well underway - and that caused a lot of resentment here. It's interesting that each wave of immigrants of different ethnic backgrounds have been made scapegoats for whatever ails this land of ours - economic problems, culture changes, tensions between different groups. And the Irish were the first! They weren't really wanted here by 'respectable' people, most were of the 'wrong' religion, were presumed to be a bad influence, etc. etc. These poor girls received a very bad press. And they just weren't wanted here. The book title might better describe the expectations that were placed upon them by their opponents. My own g-g-grandmother (17) and her sister (16) came here from Co. Galway - mother and father both alive. Neither (to my knowledge anyway) were pregnant but probably a pretty good chance that both were barefoot when they went into the Tuam workhouse. The girls, both working in the Wollongong district at £8 p.a. saved up their money and in 1855 brought their mother, Mary, and younger sister to Australia, father having died in the meantime. Mary then set about bring out the grown-up children of her sister to Australia (my g-g-g married one of them) and reunited what was left of the family. Mary, my g-g-g-grandmother died at Newcastle at the age of 104 - of old age, rather than starvation and overwork, at the home of her only surviving daughter (the youngest). And more than likely owned shoes. My g-g-grandparents ended up in the Grafton area and had a huge family of girls. Her sister, Mary (the younger) went with them and married an Italian with a few gold mines (one named Mary's Home) and had a very comfortable life. He employed his brother-in-law, and other family members. When my g-g-grandfather, then a widower, died in Sydney, his brother-in-law paid for his funeral and burial plot at Rookwood. I can't imagine how it would feel to leave my country and what I knew to go to somewhere across the other side of the world with the likelihood of never being able to return. But these young girls did it. Some of them might not have ended up in much better circumstances than they would have been in had they stayed in Ireland. But for most of those, the chances of dying from cold would not have been an issue. Some became quite successful in business. And many went on to lead fairly ordinary lives, pretty much like a lot of us. The ABC made a doco called Barefoot & Pregnant - more or less 'hosted' by descendents of some of these girls. Worth watching, if you can get a copy. Cheers Barbara *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure where the title 'Barefoot & Pregnant' came from - not from the girls who came here. Earl Grey came up with the scheme to (a) empty the Irish workhouses and therefore lower the costs to the parishes, and (b) to provide brides for all those unruly single Irishmen in the colony. The workhouses were asked to put forward the names of suitable girls (and I don't think a pregnant lass would have stood a chance), and to provide each girl with travelling clothes and something to put them in, as well as paying for the cost of a chaperone and a doctor to accompany them. Australia was to pay for the cost of the passage - but Earl Grey neglected to tell Australian authorities that little fact until the scheme was well underway - and that caused a lot of resentment here. It's interesting that each wave of immigrants of different ethnic backgrounds have been made scapegoats for whatever ails this land of ours - economic problems, culture changes, tensions between different groups. And the Irish were the first! They weren't really wanted here by 'respectable' people, most were of the 'wrong' religion, were presumed to be a bad influence, etc. etc. These poor girls received a very bad press. And they just weren't wanted here. The book title might better describe the expectations that were placed upon them by their opponents. My own g-g-grandmother (17) and her sister (16) came here from Co. Galway - mother and father both alive. Neither (to my knowledge anyway) were pregnant but probably a pretty good chance that both were barefoot when they went into the Tuam workhouse. The girls, both working in the Wollongong district at £8 p.a. saved up their money and in 1855 brought their mother, Mary, and younger sister to Australia, father having died in the meantime. Mary then set about bring out the grown-up children of her sister to Australia (my g-g-g married one of them) and reunited what was left of the family. Mary, my g-g-g-grandmother died at Newcastle at the age of 104 - of old age, rather than starvation and overwork, at the home of her only surviving daughter (the youngest). And more than likely owned shoes. My g-g-grandparents ended up in the Grafton area and had a huge family of girls. Her sister, Mary (the younger) went with them and married an Italian with a few gold mines (one named Mary's Home) and had a very comfortable life. He employed his brother-in-law, and other family members. When my g-g-grandfather, then a widower, died in Sydney, his brother-in-law paid for his funeral and burial plot at Rookwood. I can't imagine how it would feel to leave my country and what I knew to go to somewhere across the other side of the world with the likelihood of never being able to return. But these young girls did it. Some of them might not have ended up in much better circumstances than they would have been in had they stayed in Ireland. But for most of those, the chances of dying from cold would not have been an issue. Some became quite successful in business. And many went on to lead fairly ordinary lives, pretty much like a lot of us. The ABC made a doco called Barefoot & Pregnant - more or less 'hosted' by descendents of some of these girls. Worth watching, if you can get a copy. Cheers Barbara

Now, did I miss this one on http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm, or was I confused by all the Byrnes? Catherine Byrnes, 15 Years Native place Dublin, RC Parents Christopher & Rosanna (both dead) Rathdowne Union, Empl. etc. etc. (putting this in for Cara's benefit). Have you contacted Tom Power from the Irish Famine Commemoration Committee. Contact details on above website. He's a very nice gentleman and extremely helpful. And he's also in regular contact with Trevor McClaughlin, author of Barefoot & Pregnant. There could be some further information regarding Catherine Byrnes which is not on the website. Or how to get information on workhouse records. Just googled Rathdown Union Workhouse - http://www.nationalarchives.ie/research/poorlaw.html says "National Archives holds several very complete collections of workhouse records relating to ... Rathdown Union". I have no idea how to access these records from Australia, but someone else might be able to advise. A lot of other interesting looking sites show up with a Google search. Look at http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/jane_workhouse.htm for a description of the surviving inmate records. Sadly, no records remain for Tuam, Galway from where my g-g-grandmother and her sister came to Australia. Cheers Barbara

That is all too tragic to comprehend - so many young girls from age 14 to 20 from all over Ireland being sent to Australia ...Barefoot and pregnant ! hopefully just the occasional one, even with parents still living . Suppose it was their only hope of survival during that awful famine. Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurie O'Connor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] List Of Names From The Rathdown Union CountyWicklowTo Australia 1849/50 - Catherine Byrne > Now, did I miss this one on > http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm, or was I > confused > by all the Byrnes? > > Catherine Byrnes, 15 Years > Native place Dublin, RC > Parents Christopher & Rosanna (both dead) > Rathdowne Union, Empl. etc. etc. (putting this in for Cara's benefit). > > Have you contacted Tom Power from the Irish Famine Commemoration > Committee. > Contact details on above website. He's a very nice gentleman and > extremely > helpful. And he's also in regular contact with Trevor McClaughlin, author > of Barefoot & Pregnant. There could be some further information regarding > Catherine Byrnes which is not on the website. Or how to get information on > workhouse records. > > Just googled Rathdown Union Workhouse - > http://www.nationalarchives.ie/research/poorlaw.html says "National > Archives > holds several very complete collections of workhouse records relating to > ... > Rathdown Union". I have no idea how to access these records from > Australia, > but someone else might be able to advise. > > A lot of other interesting looking sites show up with a Google search. > Look > at http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/jane_workhouse.htm for a > description of the surviving inmate records. Sadly, no records remain for > Tuam, Galway from where my g-g-grandmother and her sister came to > Australia. > > Cheers > Barbara > > > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Cara, Have picked up the following names from http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm - Copied the information given in the hope that others on the list might be able to supply more information. Not all the names on your list are on the site. A friend has both volumes of 'Barefoot & Pregnant'. I'll check out the rest of the names when she is back from her little (hospital) holiday. Eliza Sharp 18 Years - shown as 19 Years on record Native Place Hollyfort, Wexford, CofE, Parents Joseph & Eliza (both dead) Empl. S J Ussher, Burdekins Terrace, £8, 1 year Lismoyne Arrived 29 November 1849 SRNSW 4/4911 Reel 2459 Mary A Dempsey, 15 Years Native Place Baltinglass, Wicklow, RC Parents Michael & Ann (both dead) Empl. E Rouse, Mudgee, £8 p.a., 4 years LADY PEEL Arrived 3 July 1849 SRNSW 4/4911 Reel 2459 Possible? Mary Dempsey married John Clare 1853 V185387 99 LW (RC Cooma, Monaro, Manaroo District, Queanbeyan, Twofold Bay) AND V1853187 00 LD (RC St Marys, Sydney) Death: Mary Clare, Father's Name shown as Dempsey, Sydney, 3927/1905 Ann McEvoy, 14 Years Native Place Glan Cormack, Wicklow, RC Parents James & Alice (both dead) Empl. E J Armytage, Pitt St., £6, 3 yrs. Appendix J to Votes & Proceedings of the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales (VPLANSW) Report 1858-58, Vol.2. For details see T McLaughlin, Barefoot, Vol.2, p.140. Appendix J No.118, 3 May 1850 indentures with Mr P A Tompson Bayley cancelled WPO; to be sent into the country for employment. Im. Cor. 50/767, 12 October 1850 Bathurst. Lismoyne Arrived 29 November 1849 SRNSW 4/4911 Reel 2459 Eliza Rossiter, 15 Years Native Place Enniscorthy, RC Parents Richard & Hannah (both dead) Empl. S Bell, Darling Harbour, £6-8, 3 years Lismoyne Arrived 29 November 1849 SRNSW 4/4911 Reel 2459 Possible? Eliza Rossiter married John Grimes V1852357 38C/1852 MN (Cof E, Petersham, Cooks River) Jane Rooney, 15 Years Native Place Glencormack, Wicklow RC Parents Matthew & Mary (both dead) Empl. T Hyland, King St., £6-8, 3 years Lismoyne Arrived 29 November 1849 SRNSW 4/4911 Reel 2459

Hi I came across this 2003 message copied below on the list. I think my family may be descended from Catherine Byrne on this list. http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm Famine Orphan Girl Ships to Australia Shiplist: Lismoyne Arrived 29 November 1849 Surname First Name Age Native Place Parents Religion Other Byrne Catherine 15 Dublin Christopher & Rosanna (both dead) RC Rathdowne Union. Empl. G Y Yarnton, Glebe, £6-8, 3yrs. Im. Cor. 50/686 27 Aug 1850 Bathurst; 4/51 indentures cancelled, Molong. I think she may have married a Denis Clancy in Bathurst NSW in 1853, and died Cargo NSW in 1899 aged 64 years. For the Catherine Clancy nee Byrne in my family tree, from her death certificate, Catherine was born in Wicklow Ireland, was in the colony of NSW for 50 years [so arrived 1849], her father is listed as Christopher Byrne, mother unknown. She named one of her daughters Rosanna. Does anyone know where I might find any further information on the Rathdown Union female orphans? Kind regards Helen *From:* "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> *Subject:* [Wicklow] ORPHANS TO AUSTRALIA *Date:* Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:08:58 +1100 *References:* <[email protected]> Orphans List Of Names From The Rathdown Union County Wicklow To Australia 1849/50 Eliza Sharp 18 Years Mary Golden 16 Years Mary Byrne 18 Years Catherine Kernan 13 Years Anne Mcevoy 15 Years Essy Dempsey 18 Years Sarah Murphy 15 Years Eliza Rossiter 12 Years Catherine Byrne 13 Years Charlotte Basset 14 Years Jane Roony 13 Years Does Anyone Recognize Any Of These Orphans I Am Most Intrigued As To What Became Of These Children In Australia, Who They Married And What They Made Of Their LiveS I am also posting this to an Australian list to see if anyone recognizes them at all cheers Cara

William was born 1799 at Redcross Co Wicklow Ireland and he was like many males to enlist with the RIC. William enlisted as a constable on the 1/11/1823 and was pensioned on the 3/7/1869. He died at 29 Gloucester Street Dublin Co Dublin on the 13/2/1875. His will was proved on the 19/6/1875 at the Pricipal registry by Oath of Samule Hestor of Tipperary, one of the surviving executors -effects were under 2,000 pounds. Also a John Benjamin Saville who was born in 1857 in Co Tipperary died 21/4/1886 at Borrisokane Co Tipperary his administration was granted on 27/11/1886 at the Principal Registry to one Michael Gleeson of Nenagh Co Tipperary, the attorney of William Saville, brother - effects 911.19s.0d Now if my dates are correct there must be also another William between these two that is the one born in Redcross and the other Saville born in Tipperary does anyone have any clues on the connection between these persons ---- Cheers Cara

I cannot at this moment recall the person who was seeking family and I think they were Byrne ( not sure at this point ) in Manor Hamilton or as they wrote Hamilton Manor. I cannot leave it any longer to say that a place named Manor Hamilton exists in Co Leitrim and not far from there on a map I looked at very close to there was a place named Seven Churches. So with this in mind I am now wondering should this person widen their research to Leitrim. Not wanting to deter just to widen their research Cheers Cara