So does this make Timothy Byrne that they were leasing from a relative perhaps her father or brother ? Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] elusive Michael MCGRATH > Hello Cara > > Thank you once again for your input. I can confirm that in the FW McGrath > family that left in 1847, Mary was a Byrne. I did wonder if perhaps > William had another wife who could have been Mary Maher and thus Michael's > mother, but his age within the family doesn't support that theory. > Kitty/Catherine's mother was given as Mary Byrne on her marriage > certificate and the same held true for the other children. Michael was the > 'outsider' - never found with the family in the census or other records. > I'm hoping to find some record of him being a godparent when I get around > to looking up the baptisms of the children of his (possible) siblings. I > have not yet got that far with my McGraths. Michael himself had 11 > children and although I've found quite a few baptisms, no McGrath > sponsors. Michael's son Edward married a Kate Fitzpatrick who was a > grand-daughter of the Tremblays who were connected to the FW family. His > son William's widow married into the same Tremblay > family. > > I'm indeed going to walk the back roads and talk to as many people as will > chat with me in August. Last September when I took my dad to Ireland and > we discovered the Byrne family we are connected to, we did indeed visit > the Gate of Tears. Dad could never tell anyone about it as he got too > emotional, he had me tell them. He couldn't get enough of the photos. > > There is probably a wealth of information here in the Ottawa city archives > which I have not even looked at. There could be something to > confirm/disprove my Michael's relationship to that McGrath family other > than a few marriages to Tremblay descendants. According to Canadian > records he was in between the ages of the two Michael/Mick McGraths from > the FW estate - just to add to the speculation. > > Sadly the family was poor and pretty much anonymous so that makes finding > info other than B-M-D difficult. > > Thanks again for the suggestions. I'll let you know what I find in Dublin > and anywhere else. > > Ann > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:21:45 +1000 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] MCGRATH - MAHER - BYRNE > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > In actual fact their was several McGrath families that emmigrated from > Fitzwilliams estate and in two of those families there is a Mick or a > Michael McGrath > one left with the family you have named in 1847 and the other in 1848. > > > > End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 86 > ****************************************** > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2121 - Release Date: 05/18/09 17:55:00

Oh, Cara, where's your sense of romance? Surely it was a case of true love! (Giggle time) - One of Andrew Denton's interview subjects was an rather senior 'working girl' (in Tassie, I think) who runs a Fantasy Phone Line manned by equally senior ladies. According to her, there are a lot of men who are attracted to 'older' women (and when the outgoings are in greater than the usual danger of exceeding the incoming pension, I do wonder if I would have the energy ... oh, the certificates I could buy with the proceeds!). Sadly, more likely that widowed Dorcas had a bit of security and James was capable of chopping the firewood for her. What I was intrigued with was the 'divers other herbs'. What other herbs did the Irish use to enhance the new matrimonial home? Old, old customs would have probably prevailed around 1810 - and, given the names of the couple, could old customs from Britain have won out over the Irish? I can see why some of the herbs might have been used to strew the path - Rue, the Herb of Grace, symbolizes virginity and was heavily associated with wedding ceremonies. The leaves, apart from relieving pain from bee stings and spider bites, was also regarded as an aphrodisiac. Rue, reputed to live for hundreds of years, was also the plant of endurance and patience. Nettles have a reputation for keeping evil out of a house, providing protection from bad spirits and nasty spells. Also had a reputation for inducing lust. Modern herbalists recommend nettle infusions for increasing energy, lowering blood pressure and cholesterol, etc., and for countering incontinence (possibly quite useful in the circumstances). As Christianity replaced the ancient Celtic (and Druid) beliefs, box replaced mistletoe - but the attributes of the sacred mistletoe were more than likely bestowed on the box. And the attributes of mistletoe were many - keeping witches (and bad luck/disasters) away, preventing nightmares, creating fertility, and, of course, the associations with love. But what is bullock head? One hundredweight is only 50.8 kilos or 8 stone. Which hardly seems worth commenting on. Or was 'one hundred weight' measured differently, I wonder. Cheers Barbara

In actual fact their was several McGrath families that emmigrated from Fitzwilliams estate and in two of those families there is a Mick or a Michael McGrath one left with the family you have named in 1847 and the other in 1848. The first family you named were linked to a Timothy Byrne as it was from him they rented a Holding which consisted of Cabin and kitchen garden The father as you are aware is William 40 and Mary nee ?- Children Kitty 19 Margaret 12, Paddy 17 Edward 15 and Michael 16. Does his age guestimated fit any documents you have on the man at all It appears you have his wedding certificate does it state his age on that - which if you do does give you an estimate of birth date and cross referenced with the fact he was 16 in 1847 or there abouts may aid you also. I also see that two members named Maher left the Fitzwilliam Clearances also. So Ann unless you can find a document with given age on it there is no easy way to say yes this is your Michael, although I would probably say it is highly possible. But highly possibles dont necessarily, cut the right side of correctness, so you need to look for a dated document. Other than the shipping lists of Fitzwilliams estate. I kind of think there is a lot of soil between Tipperary and Co Wicklow and I see the Mcgrath Spelling holds it own in both Wicklow and Wexford Maher also shows well. Having worked all these back roads, by roads and side roads, looking for data on these people, I can assure you - the best place for you to begin your documented search will be the Manuscript room in Dublin, but dont forget to take the time out to walk the back roads of this place, and all the side roads its an incredible feeling, stop to look back at the Gateway of Tears, and by the way there is a photo of this on the IGP Co Carlow site for those of you interested enough to look for it. The stone explains itself and why it is there. Enjoy the walk Ann its a lovely area. Cheers Cara

Hello Cara Thank you once again for your input. I can confirm that in the FW McGrath family that left in 1847, Mary was a Byrne. I did wonder if perhaps William had another wife who could have been Mary Maher and thus Michael's mother, but his age within the family doesn't support that theory. Kitty/Catherine's mother was given as Mary Byrne on her marriage certificate and the same held true for the other children. Michael was the 'outsider' - never found with the family in the census or other records. I'm hoping to find some record of him being a godparent when I get around to looking up the baptisms of the children of his (possible) siblings. I have not yet got that far with my McGraths. Michael himself had 11 children and although I've found quite a few baptisms, no McGrath sponsors. Michael's son Edward married a Kate Fitzpatrick who was a grand-daughter of the Tremblays who were connected to the FW family. His son William's widow married into the same Tremblay family. I'm indeed going to walk the back roads and talk to as many people as will chat with me in August. Last September when I took my dad to Ireland and we discovered the Byrne family we are connected to, we did indeed visit the Gate of Tears. Dad could never tell anyone about it as he got too emotional, he had me tell them. He couldn't get enough of the photos. There is probably a wealth of information here in the Ottawa city archives which I have not even looked at. There could be something to confirm/disprove my Michael's relationship to that McGrath family other than a few marriages to Tremblay descendants. According to Canadian records he was in between the ages of the two Michael/Mick McGraths from the FW estate - just to add to the speculation. Sadly the family was poor and pretty much anonymous so that makes finding info other than B-M-D difficult. Thanks again for the suggestions. I'll let you know what I find in Dublin and anywhere else. Ann Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:21:45 +1000 From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] MCGRATH - MAHER - BYRNE To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original In actual fact their was several McGrath families that emmigrated from Fitzwilliams estate and in two of those families there is a Mick or a Michael McGrath one left with the family you have named in 1847 and the other in 1848. End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 86 ******************************************

Hello Sharon Thank you for the prompt response. I've spent so much time researching my Byrne family (paternal line) I have not done much on the McGraths. It was only when it was pointed out to me about this family of McGraths who were FW immigrants that I started looking. Still I have hardly scratched the surface. I believe the FW McGrath family were neighbours of the Tremblays in Gloucester. If I recall they attended the same church. My first cousins have a double connection between the two families in more recent years. Their father (my mother's brother) who was descended from Michael McGrath on the maternal side, around 1948 married a woman whose was a grand-daughter of Nicholas Tremblay from his marriage to Elizabeth Seguin McGrath, daughter-in-law of Michael. A Tremblay lived two doors up from my grandmother - that's how they met. All of this anecdotal stuff is what has led me to pursue the possibilities. According to the FW CD, Ballinultagh is in Mullinacuff parish. I'll happily pursue all leads. There was one Maher from Carnew who emigrated in 1849. That's not very near Ballinulta. My Byrne family from Wicklow settled about 40 miles south of Ottawa. Many other FW families settled there also. The McGraths seem to have come directly to Bytown - along with many other FW folks. Michael was not living with his family in the 1851 census. He lived just across the Ottawa River, and was a boarder. I have never found anything about Michael's family that is backed up by solid reliable evidence. Mary McGrath (FW family) was a widow by the 1851 census. I have not found any other William and Mary McGrath couples in this area at that time. Nor have I found any death records for William or Mary McGrath. I shall shortly begin trying variations on the spelling of their name to see what I can come up with. If Michael is not from the FW family then I have nothing on him prior to his marriage and the fact that he arrived in 1847 from somewhere in Ireland. Incidentally, Kathleen Byrne from "my" Byrnes in Wicklow married a Kavanagh in the 50s or 60s. She lives in Co Wexford not far away. Any connection to you? Thanks again, Ann ===================== Hi Ann - Well, I have read your story and I think it's most certainly worth your time to research as much as possible, even tho there is that discrepancy in wives' name. The fact that the emigrant McGraths had that connection to the Gloucester Tremblays, and then (what you think might be) their granddaughter (when widowed young) married a Tremblay of the same Tremblay line indicates more than a coincidental connection between emigrant generation and Elizabeth's generation. Might I ask, how do you know the emigrant generation had a Tremblay connection in Gloucester?

Hi Ann - Well, I have read your story and I think it's most certainly worth your time to research as much as possible, even tho there is that discrepancy in wives' name. The fact that the emigrant McGraths had that connection to the Gloucester Tremblays, and then (what you think might be) their granddaughter (when widowed young) married a Tremblay of the same Tremblay line indicates more than a coincidental connection between emigrant generation and Elizabeth's generation. Might I ask, how do you know the emigrant generation had a Tremblay connection in Gloucester? Also, you know that I also suspect that FW families, especially those from just up the road from each other, or those who traveled together from New Ross to Canada, were completely interwoven in their lives in Wicklow and even more so in their new homes in Canada/U.S., etc. What research have you done in Ballinultagh (Clonmore parish?) for the McGraths? Were there Mahers in Ballinultagh/Clonmore? A Kavanagh (kind soul, volunteer) did some Clonmore parish research for me. I can tell you what records exist, etc., but have to dig a bit (and happy to do so for you, if that would help). So exciting, Ann. What fun you're going to have in Wicklow this summer. Sharon Kavanagh Oregon, U.S.A. p.s. Just had good friends move to Kitchener. They are originally from Madagascar and both are scientists. They love the town. I suspect they will be candidates for citizenship. We were too stupid down here in the states to do whatever necessary to keep them. He is on the cutting edge of oceanic pharmaceutical cancer research. Our loss, your gain! Oh, Canada! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] MCGRATH - MAHER - BYRNE > Hello listers > > This is a shot in the dark. I have a possible connection to a Fitzwilliam > emigrant family but one (important) detail stands in the way. I'd love to > prove it one way or the other. > > There was a McGrath family among the FW emigrants, who emigrated in 1847 > from Ballinultagh near Shillelagh in Co Wicklow. The parents were William > McGrath and wife Mary and they had several children including a Michael. > Michael McGrath was the name of my great-great grandfather on my mother's > side and he left Ireland in 1847. > > This family settled in Gloucester (Ottawa). On their children's marriage > registrations Mary's maiden name was given as Byrne. This family had > connections to a Tremblay family in this area. > > My Michael McGrath married Catherine Brennan in > Ottawa in 1854. Their marriage certificate gives his parents names as > William McGrath and Mary Maher. Michael and Catherine had a son William, > and other children who were given the same (unfortunately common) names as > the children of William McGrath and Mary Byrne. It was apparently the > custom for priests at that time to transcribe information about weddings > into the register after the actual event and errors could have be made. I > don't know if this information, namely mother's maiden name, was in error. > I can find no other McGrath marriages here where the mother's maiden name > was Maher. > > It is most likely that we have two different McGrath families, but ... > Michael and Catherine McGrath's son William married Elizabeth Seguin but > he died in 1886 only 4 years after the marriage. Elizabeth subsequently > married Nicholas Tremblay - of the Tremblay family known to the FW McGrath > family. Elizabeth and William had lived in Arnprior about 40 miles away. > What circumstance caused Elizabeth Seguin McGrath to meet Nicholas > Tremblay? > > I'm quite aware that coincidences occur and one can easily be led down the > wrong path. If anyone has any suggestions I'd be very grateful. The names > McGrath and Maher were apparently very common in Tipperary and much less > so in Wicklow. There were however, Mahers and McGraths among the FW > families and of course there were Byrnes. > > What makes this so compelling for me is that my Byrne ancestors were FW > emigrants. The family name has varied over the years (now isn't that > surprising!) and we have Byrne, Byrnes and Burns relatives. I have > actually made contact with distant relatives still in Co Wicklow. It > boggles my mind to think that possibly my mother's ancestors came from > just down the road from my father's. > > I will be in Wicklow this summer visiting my Byrne family. I hope to spend > some time researching to see what I can come up with. If anybody could > point me at a good resource I'll check it out. I'm aware of the scarcity > of records prior to 1830. I have searched ancestry.com in as many ways as > I could think of to no avail. > > Thanks in advance to any kind souls who might be able to help. > > Ann Burns > Ottawa, Canada > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had to add this one in, I do think its a terrible report on a bride. Were they saying she had bewitched the groom, or was they saying he was too weak to carry her across the door? 1-James Price aged 22 years married Widow Bullock on the shady side of 82 years at Caetwent Near Chepstow April 1810. *On the return from the church their path was strewed with bullock head, rue, box, nettles and divers other herbs of like signifigcant nature. The damsel weights one hundred weight.* CO WICKLOW PRICE-HEPENSTAL 2-John Price of Streamstown Co Wicklow married Dorcas Hepenstal Oct 1780 she was also from Co Wicklow .

No place known where it happened but one could say it was in Co Wicklow Nicholas Byrne aged 60 years married Jane Byrne aged 16 years both of Co Wicklow. July 1777 pge 512 Hibernian Magazine Now tell me that is not one of the cases where land married land please. And it was true love. Cara

>From bits and pieces gathered This is a fragmented piece of Census paper John Earley senior in the dairy business died of decline in 1835 His wife Catherine Earley aged 52years died 1839 of decline. 1- John Earley aged 28 not mattied head of dairy business can Read and Write born Co Wicklow 2- Sarah Earley ( no ref to her link to John may be wife) aged 18 years born City of Dublin 3- William Earley aged 16 brother to 1- can read and write born City of Dublin. Others 1-Winifred Byrne aged 20 servant can read born Co Wicklow 2-Ellen Kerney aged 16 Servant born City of Dublin All above are working in the dairy business The only other clue I can give is that they were linked to the St Lukes Parish Coombe. *Could I please ask that if you wish to post my data to another list you contact me and tell me where its gone or going to. I am not disappointed that this is happening, but sometimes I like to post the data and get or rather hope I get a response from others researching the same family as the names I am posting. Cheers Cara

Hello Mike: I noticed you name and I wondered if you would be any connection To the Murphy O'Donoghue / Donoghue of Coolross Wicklow The Two boys names were Richard & Thomas I will have to look up The Birth Dates. Look forward to your reply Margaret Enright [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Murphy Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:14 AM To: Cara_Links; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] BYRNE MARRIAGE POSSIBLY POSTED BEFORE Reminds me of one of the worst jokes I ever heard, as told by Stephen Murphy in Dublin some 25 years ago. I won't bother you with the long long long version. The groom was old and the bride was young and the doctor reported he could perform twice weakly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] BYRNE MARRIAGE POSSIBLY POSTED BEFORE > No place known where it happened but one could say it was in Co Wicklow > Nicholas Byrne aged 60 years married Jane Byrne aged 16 years both of Co > Wicklow. > July 1777 pge 512 Hibernian Magazine > > Now tell me that is not one of the cases where land married land please. > And it was true love. > > > > Cara > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers This is a shot in the dark. I have a possible connection to a Fitzwilliam emigrant family but one (important) detail stands in the way. I'd love to prove it one way or the other. There was a McGrath family among the FW emigrants, who emigrated in 1847 from Ballinultagh near Shillelagh in Co Wicklow. The parents were William McGrath and wife Mary and they had several children including a Michael. Michael McGrath was the name of my great-great grandfather on my mother's side and he left Ireland in 1847. This family settled in Gloucester (Ottawa). On their children's marriage registrations Mary's maiden name was given as Byrne. This family had connections to a Tremblay family in this area. My Michael McGrath married Catherine Brennan in Ottawa in 1854. Their marriage certificate gives his parents names as William McGrath and Mary Maher. Michael and Catherine had a son William, and other children who were given the same (unfortunately common) names as the children of William McGrath and Mary Byrne. It was apparently the custom for priests at that time to transcribe information about weddings into the register after the actual event and errors could have be made. I don't know if this information, namely mother's maiden name, was in error. I can find no other McGrath marriages here where the mother's maiden name was Maher. It is most likely that we have two different McGrath families, but ... Michael and Catherine McGrath's son William married Elizabeth Seguin but he died in 1886 only 4 years after the marriage. Elizabeth subsequently married Nicholas Tremblay - of the Tremblay family known to the FW McGrath family. Elizabeth and William had lived in Arnprior about 40 miles away. What circumstance caused Elizabeth Seguin McGrath to meet Nicholas Tremblay? I'm quite aware that coincidences occur and one can easily be led down the wrong path. If anyone has any suggestions I'd be very grateful. The names McGrath and Maher were apparently very common in Tipperary and much less so in Wicklow. There were however, Mahers and McGraths among the FW families and of course there were Byrnes. What makes this so compelling for me is that my Byrne ancestors were FW emigrants. The family name has varied over the years (now isn't that surprising!) and we have Byrne, Byrnes and Burns relatives. I have actually made contact with distant relatives still in Co Wicklow. It boggles my mind to think that possibly my mother's ancestors came from just down the road from my father's. I will be in Wicklow this summer visiting my Byrne family. I hope to spend some time researching to see what I can come up with. If anybody could point me at a good resource I'll check it out. I'm aware of the scarcity of records prior to 1830. I have searched ancestry.com in as many ways as I could think of to no avail. Thanks in advance to any kind souls who might be able to help. Ann Burns Ottawa, Canada

Of course it was true love, just like all of our Byrnes. Was the Hibernan magazine a mag of the day suggesting these were wealthy Byrnes? Carol On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Cara_Links <[email protected]> wrote: > No place known where it happened but one could say it was in Co Wicklow > Nicholas Byrne aged 60 years married Jane Byrne aged 16 years both of Co > Wicklow. > July 1777 pge 512 Hibernian Magazine >

Reminds me of one of the worst jokes I ever heard, as told by Stephen Murphy in Dublin some 25 years ago. I won't bother you with the long long long version. The groom was old and the bride was young and the doctor reported he could perform twice weakly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] BYRNE MARRIAGE POSSIBLY POSTED BEFORE > No place known where it happened but one could say it was in Co Wicklow > Nicholas Byrne aged 60 years married Jane Byrne aged 16 years both of Co > Wicklow. > July 1777 pge 512 Hibernian Magazine > > Now tell me that is not one of the cases where land married land please. > And it was true love. > > > > Cara > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Thought Id share my latest snippet. Ive got 1911 UK census and my Mary Niles nee Donnelly told the census man she was born Newbridge Wicklow Ireland! It also states resident, I presume this means that she said her permanant home was now England. Wonder why my grandad- her son never thought to tell my mam that gem- all we knew was Ireland and that he was proud of it: Saying that I wouldnt swap the fun I have had over the years, it would have been too easy to just glean it like that. Actually I think its great that even though she left Ireland aged 6 at the most, she knew where she came from. I have a record of her baptism in Avoca RC records 31 Dec 1854 but to know she knew- and called Avoca Newbridge is giving me a buzz. Now I wonder did she actually live in the village itself or a nearby townland.... By the way if you search surname and county of birth eg Wicklow on the 1911 UK census site you get everyone who was born there, may be of use to someone before you consider parting with cash? Carol

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Cara_Links <[email protected]> wrote: > Ireland - Jeremiah Nagle and others in the Coast-guard involved in > dangerous > rescue. Melancholy Accident - Bray, Dec 22 1843 > Thanks Cara What a sad tale. The thought of being tangled in the nets... We have recently returned from a week in Bray (fab base for getting around Co Wicklow and Dublin), to imagine the regular disasters at sea and boats leaving the little harbour is awful. Of cousre you can read me like a book and I am clamming for more info on Giles SULLIVAN. If any one knows anything about him shout up. have a Patrick Sullivan from Bray- a labourer who joined the army, could they be connected? No evidence that they are related to my Bridget Sullavan and dad Patrick but all Wicklow Sullivans deserve a look at. Thanks again carol

Ireland - Jeremiah Nagle and others in the Coast-guard involved in dangerous rescue. Melancholy Accident - Bray, Dec 22 1843 I have again to record a most melancholy and fatal accident off this shore : - A boat, belonging to Mrs Cuthbert, of Bray, manned by two brothers of the name of Archer, Green, John Whelan, and Lynch, returning from Kingstown, where they had been fishing for herrings, was upset about a mile from the shore, opposite No.2 Tower. It is supposed she was under a press of sail. William Callaghan, boatman of the coastguard, was on the look-out at the Tower, and immediately on seeing the catastrophe, and with most praiseworthy alacrity ran down to the shore, and, in conjunction with Archer, a brother of the unfortunate men in the vessel, succeeded in launching a shore boat, in which, at the imminent risk of their lives, they pushed off, and succeeded in rescuing Green. The other four poor fellows were consigned to a watery grave. The coast-guard galley also pushed off shortly afterwards, manned by Edward Kimberly, William Roose, William Cutbeard, Giles Sullivan, and Jeremiah Nagle, in the earnest hope of saving some more of the poor sufferers, but their efforts were unavailing. It is supposed that the men must have been entangled in the nets. That their efforts were not unaccompanied with danger may be imagined from the fact, that Lieutenant Dabine, R.N., the chief officer of the coast-guard, in endeavouring to push off with some more of his men, was capsized, and to a merciful God must alone be ascribed the fact that he and his comrades were not also consigned to a watery grave. We are happy to hear he escaped with only some contusions on the back. Every one present bore loud testimony to the courage, daring and humanity of the coast-guard, by which, under Providence, is to be ascribed the life of one of their fellow-creatures. They have added another to the many proofs of their zeal, and have increased the debt of gratitude due alike to the officers and men by the people of this vicinity, and I trust their exertions will be favourably noticed by the heads of their department

And....to the wonderful "mother" of the list...and all-around-fantastic woman......HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY!!!! m Mary Villalba AZTEC Communications, LLC (303) 290-8415 Past Distinguished Governor, Rocky Mountain District Kiwanis International "A global organization of volunteers dedicated to changing the world, one child and one community at a time." -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:15 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] GILES SULLIVAN AND OTHERS > Ireland - Jeremiah Nagle and others in the Coast-guard involved in > dangerous > rescue. Melancholy Accident - Bray, Dec 22 1843 > > I have again to record a most melancholy and fatal accident off this shore > : - A boat, belonging to Mrs Cuthbert, of Bray, manned by two brothers of > the name of Archer, Green, John Whelan, and Lynch, returning from > Kingstown, > where they had been fishing for herrings, was upset about a mile from the > shore, opposite No.2 Tower. It is supposed she was under a press of sail. > William Callaghan, boatman of the coastguard, was on the look-out at the > Tower, and immediately on seeing the catastrophe, and with most > praiseworthy > alacrity ran down to the shore, and, in conjunction with Archer, a brother > of the unfortunate men in the vessel, succeeded in launching a shore boat, > in which, at the imminent risk of their lives, they pushed off, and > succeeded in rescuing Green. The other four poor fellows were consigned to > a > watery grave. The coast-guard galley also pushed off shortly afterwards, > manned by Edward Kimberly, William Roose, William Cutbeard, Giles > Sullivan, > and Jeremiah Nagle, in the earnest hope of saving some more of the poor > sufferers, but their efforts were unavailing. It is supposed that the men > must have been entangled in the nets. > > That their efforts were not unaccompanied with danger may be imagined from > the fact, that Lieutenant Dabine, R.N., the chief officer of the > coast-guard, in endeavouring to push off with some more of his men, was > capsized, and to a merciful God must alone be ascribed the fact that he > and > his comrades were not also consigned to a watery grave. We are happy to > hear > he escaped with only some contusions on the back. Every one present bore > loud testimony to the courage, daring and humanity of the coast-guard, by > which, under Providence, is to be ascribed the life of one of their > fellow-creatures. They have added another to the many proofs of their > zeal, > and have increased the debt of gratitude due alike to the officers and men > by the people of this vicinity, and I trust their exertions will be > favourably noticed by the heads of their department > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm new to this List, many thanks to Cara for the link. My Brennan's originate for Abbeydown Clonegal, I've been researching them for 9 years and have only just discovered their roots. I really would like to correspond with anyone related to this Brennan family or anyone who knows of any connection. I'm particularly interested in Thomas Brennan born 1873. My Brennan's are as follows: THOMAS BRENNAN Marriage: 02 MAR 1840 Abbeydown Clonegall, Carlow, Ireland wife ELLEN HUGHES Marriage: 02 MAR 1840 Abbeydown Clonegall, Carlow, Ireland Both are buried in Clonegal Children MICHAEL BRENNAN 1844 Clonegall THOMAS BRENNAN 09 MAY 1847 Clonegall, ELIZABETH 1850 Clonegall MARY 1853 Clonegall MARGARET 1857 Clonegall The family were evicted from Abbeydown and for a time stayed with Ellen's sister in Wexford, she was married to a wealthy government official, they had a large farm close to Clobemon but no name for them at present other that it sounding something like O'Crimmon. ----------------------------------------------------------- Husband Thomas Brennan Birth: 09 MAY 1847 Abbeydown,Clonegal, Wexford, Marriage: 1872 Abbeydown,Clonegal, , Wexford. Thomas was a Land Steward thought to have been on the Clobemon Hall Estate Wexford. Thomas died approx 1908/9 and is buried with parents in Clonegal. 1st. Wife no Christian name as yet, surname KEHOE Birth: 1851 Abbeydown, Clonegal, Wexford. Marriage: 1872 Abbeydown, Clonegal Wexford. No idea what happened to this wife or if more children than Thomas.. Children Thomas Brennan Birth: 1873 Abbeydown,Clonegal, Wexford, Thomas was a travelling showman. Married 1907 in Co Cavan, 4 children Last known residence 1929 Raphoe nr Donegal. ------------------------------------------------------------- 2nd marriage Thomas Brennan Birth: 09 MAY 1847 Abbeydown,Clonegal,Wexford Marriage: 1888 Ferns, Wexford. Wife: Jane Murphy Birth: 1864 Ferns, Wexford, Ireland Marriage: 1885 Ferns, Wexford, Ireland Jane is buried in Ballyduff. Children Michael Brennan 1886 Ferns, Wexford, Ireland. Patrick Brennan 1888 Ferns, Wexford, Ireland Mary Jane 1889 Elizabeth 1887 Anastasia 1888 Edward 1890 John 1892? Regards Jackie.

I have recently come across what I believe to be the marriage of my four times Grt grandparents. The marriage would have been in 1803 and more than likely Derralossary Church of a Henry Webster to an Elizabeth Mahon. Elizabeth died 1865 at Blainroe Wicklow in her 88th year which would have left her born 1777. Does this Elizabeth tie in with anyone's tree. John.

Hi All, Surname Request: MERNAGH, John b.1770 Ballinaskea, Glenmalure, Wicklow. Any information welcome re his family in Ireland. I have been absent for a while and read with great interest about the discussion of the treatment of the Irish here in Oz. As John Mernagh was one of the first Political Prisoners to be sent here along with the others of the Tellicherry Five they left their mark here. The appear in NSW State Government Hansard and John was one of the first customers of the Bank of New South Wales to sign on. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned, our family is just proud of their achievements. Regards Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 78 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HERRINGS ALIVE 1935 (Cara_Links) > 2. ARKLOW SHIPS AND OWNERS PAST (Cara_Links) > 3. JAMES POSTLETHWAITE (Cara_Links) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:57:59 +1000 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] HERRINGS ALIVE 1935 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It happened at Arklow, on a bright moonlight night, > A man on the beach saw a wonderful sight, > Forninst his two eyes, right there on the shore, > Were herrings alive, herrings galore. > > He ran up the town to spread the news there, > Somd didn't believe him, they thought he was quare, > An oul one remarked, you've had too much strong tay, > Herring sez he walking out of the say. > > > Are you dotin or wat, said a man on the street, > Ye'll be telling us next the herrings have feet, > But your man doesn't mind and he shouts out loud, > Free herrings for all on the beach to the crowd. > > He goes back to the beach with a crowd on his tracks, > With boxes, tin baths, buckets and sacks, > be the hokey we are rich says old Mickey Leech, > When he saw all the herrings right there on the beach. > > There were hundreds of thousands of fish on the sand, > All driven ashore by some unseen hand, > The fish market's loss was Arklow's gain > With this gift from the depths of old Neptunes Domain. > > Those times were hard and the purse strings tight, > But the people of Arklow on that fine moonlight night, > Had free herrings for supper and the next evenings tea, >>From the Herrings that swam from the sea. > > Now I cannot vouch for the end of this poem > That in Arklow next morning in one certain house, > On going downstairs the man of the house > Found herrings in the mousetrap instead of a mouse. > BR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:39:25 +1000 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] ARKLOW SHIPS AND OWNERS PAST > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > George Kearon Ltd- South Quay Arklow > 1- MS Gloria -580 tons D.W. > 2-MS Reginald Kearon - 520 Tond D.W. > 3-MS Seabank- 365 Tons D.W. > 4- MS George Emilie -265 Tons D.W. > > > John Tyrrell 51 Ferrybank > 1-M/V Alford Mason 350 Tons D.W. > > James Tyrrell -Crinnis Ferrybank > 1-M/V- Murrell - 390 Tons D.W. > 2-M/V/ Halronnell - 350 Tons D.W. > 3-M/V Tyrronall-330 Tons D.W. > 4- W/V Windamere - 270 Tons D.W. > > > Just as a bit of trivia there is a place named Windamere in Tasmania > wonder what the connection to this name might be? I know ships were built > in and around the area in times gone by. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:31:23 +1000 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] JAMES POSTLETHWAITE > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > In the April of 1909 an auction of Sailing Vessels was held at Connah's > Quay North Wales. > The schooner fleet of Mr Ashburner of Barrow was for sale and among them > was the James Postlethwaite she was built at Barrow in 1881, and named > after a local ship-owner, she was 99 feet long and could carry 190 tons of > cargo. > Purchased for 995 pounds by George Kearon and Job Hall and Edward Hall, > Job's boy was her Captain. > She was plied to the trade in the coasting and north European trades but > this ended on August 3rd 1914 when she was captured in Hamburg as World > War 1 began. > Her masts removed and she was used as a barge on the Elbe. > Captain Ned Hall and his crew were removed to a prison camp established > at Rublehen racecourse Berlin. > There these men lived for four years - six to a room in the stables under > the grand stand. > Also in this camp was one Captain George Tyndall he himself having been > removed from the Palgrave Murphy steamer "City of Belfast". > A week before the war ended, the two Arklow Captains were among a group of > sick prisoners released into neutral Holland, but Captain George Tyndall > seriously ill died 10 days later. > > The James Postlethwaite was eventually liberated towed across the North > Sea to South Shields and their under the loving hands of Captain Edward > ( Ned) Hall, she resumed trading in 1920. > > January 1929 saw Captain Hall retire, and Captain Daniel Breslin of > Meadows Lane replaced him until April 1929, when Captain William Hagan of > Upper Main Street, stepped in as the Captain of the ship. > William was born in 1884 at 17 Fair Green Arklow son of Patrick Hagan a > lightship man. > One of five sailor brothers, he went to sea in a variety of schooners, > from 1903-1906 and then went on to Steamships. He gained his Mate > Certificate in 1913 whilst working at the Irish Lights he left there in > 1916 and joined as Mate the "Braegrove" owned by Coal importers Thomas > Collier/ > 1918 he passed for Master then he joined a Dublin firm named Michael > Murphy Ltd., trading to France. > 1928 he joined the O'Toole steamer "Deansgate". A year later he returned > to the "James Postlethwaite " and became her master having purchased > shares in her. > But on the 11/5/1929 the James Postlethwaite was rammed in bad weather by > the J.J.Moncks and she sunk. Without loss of life. > Captain William Hagan > Mate-Patrick Byrne of Gusset Lane > Engineer - Myles Donovan of Probys Row > A.B.- Laurence Donovan of Probys Row > OS -Laurence Byrne > Boy- William Canterbury > The wrecked ship was raised and in 1930 was trading yet again. > > Captain Hagan died in Upper Main Street in the August of 1935 aged 51 > years. > His shares in the ship being left to his wife Julia > > *Trivia > In June 1954 the James Postlethwaite was towed to Youghal by Kearon' ship > George Emelie to star in the film "Moby DIck" starring Gregory Peck. Sad > to say at the end of filming, she was damaged in a gale and she lay > beached and derelict in Youghal until she was destroyed by Fire on > 7/10/1957 > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-WICKLOW list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-WICKLOW mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 78 > ****************************************** >