Hello All, Cara has just given me a timely reminder to check and recheck all your data. I already had the info I needed re the Peeress and its voyage out but had neglected to re=read it therefore uselessly trying to find my elusive Thomas after his disembarkation in Lyttleton, when in fact he arrived at Timaru! Thanks also to Cyril for pointing out my mistaken reference re Dis embarkation. Anona

Sheelagh has joined this list and this is her ask .........anyone out there with thoughts on it feel free to jump right on in and help. CARA ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheelagh Wiles To: Cara_Links Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: NUGENT - Wicklow Hi Cara I am new to his list and I am not sure how it works and I hope you are able to guide me in lookingfor my family whom I have not been able to find any information about. I am trying to find connections of Thomas McLean Nugent who left Ireland to come to Australia in 1850 with his uncle Robert McLean (he travelled as his uncle's son as he was underage) and landed in Australia on the Jenny Lind. He disembarked at Pt Adelaide in Sth. Australia on the 13th. June 1851. He was only 10 yrs. old when he arrived. He came from county WICKLOW IRE. but do not know the town from which he came. The other members of his family went to America We think and he did not hear from them again. He married twice his first wife died leaving 5 children and he married again and his second wife had 8 children. The only clue that I have is his fathers name was also Thomas but do not know his mothers name except I know his first daughter was named Elizabeth and I think the mothers maiden name must have been McLean. Hoping you may be able to guide me where to go or what to do to start this challenge and may be find this family All my thanks Sheelagh Wiles swiles@ozemail.com.au http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/hunter2000

Hi All, Sorry I have just re-read my comment to Cara re passengers details. It should read DISembarkation at Lyttelton NZ Anona

Thanks Cara, I think my original question to you (or the list) was "Which port would hold the passenger's info? The home port (in TRE's case the Peeress sailed from,Gravesend) or the embarkation point,ie Lyttelton NZ? Anona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: [Wicklow] PASSENGERS LEAVING IRE FOR UK > I forgot to post this to the list last week, sorry it was for Anona more than anyone else. > > No lists exist for passengers between Ireland and the UK as the service same as today was considered simply a ferry service. > So hence no lists to say who went on what ferry to where > > that is between Ireland and UK. > > Cheers > CARA > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Co. Wicklow,Ireland family research and the History of Co. Wicklow Ireland. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/49 - Release Date: 7/16/05 > >

I was wondering the same thing about the Hinch or Kinch surname. Has anybody linked these two?

Dear Cara, Thanks for your mesage. Yes, it's prefectly possible that a B could be mistranscribed as an H - particularly from some sources, such as tombstones! Hoyne appears to be a less common name than Boyne, but certainly Irish. Best wishes, Chris Boyne Dr C. W. Boyne School of Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences Faculty of Management and Information Sciences University of Brighton UK office: W610 tel: 01273 642555 (int: 2555) email: c.w.boyne@brighton.ac.uk > ---------- > From: IRL-WICKLOW-L-request@rootsweb.com on behalf of Cara_Links > Reply To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 12 July 2005 10:58 am > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Wicklow] BOYNE NAME ? > > Dear Chris, > > Would you perhaps be open to a thought, that the name BOYNE could through > the hands of time changed to HOYNE in transcribing things? > Please dont bite the messenger she is only asking > > CARA > > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Families are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few nuts > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Dear William Do you have these headstones etc from the areas you mention, also at Dunganstown there was a castle as you no doubt know, and this also would have employed Stewards as did a property at Kilmurray But before I go typing up or hunting the other FOX out of the graveyards you mention I would like to know that I am not repeating something you already have This is what I have so far on this family Descendants of William Fox Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 FOX More About WILLIAM FOX: Occupation: Steward possibly on the Parnell estate of Avondale Child of WILLIAM FOX is: 2. i. ROBERT2 FOX, b. Abt. 1839. Generation No. 2 2. ROBERT2 FOX (WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1839. He married MARY BRYAN 23 January 1869 in Rathmichael (Bray Co Wicklow Ireland ( RC). She was born Abt. 1841. More About ROBERT FOX: Abode: Ballinapark Co Wexford Ireland More About MARY BRYAN: Suename also spelt: Brien More About ROBERT FOX and MARY BRYAN: Marriage: 23 January 1869, Rathmichael (Bray Co Wicklow Ireland ( RC) Officiating Clergyman: Thomas Doyle C.C. Witnessed by: Thomas Bryan and Eliza Bryan Children of ROBERT FOX and MARY BRYAN are: i. ARTHUR3 FOX, b. 2 April 1869, Ashford Co Wicklow Ireland. ii. ROBERT FOX, b. 19 December 1873, Ashford Co Wicklow Ireland. iii. WILLIAM FRANCIS FOX. Cheers in gen Cara

Dear Chris, Would you perhaps be open to a thought, that the name BOYNE could through the hands of time changed to HOYNE in transcribing things? Please dont bite the messenger she is only asking CARA

I was wondering if some of you might like to take the time to send off a get well email to Keith Taylor who has struck a bad patch in his life at this time, keith.taylor1@ntlworld.com he has unsubbed from the list to undergo some chemo and I think that a few mails just might make this man's life a little brighter as he has done for us on the Wicklow list in the past. His old ma Cara

http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/i/irish-free-state.html interesting read on Ireland and the formation of the Irish Free States.

Everytime I am absent from here, and I have been off ( doing secret woman's business) but I have a smile back on my face been through a rough week here. I return to find that the mails have grown in numbers, and I was surprised to find it was the Wicklow mall that had growns, well first of all John thankyou for the remarks you made for me and on behalf of me- and especially about, myeslf being a girl, ( I am glad you cannot see the aulde one here <smiles>) Thank you for the prose Daz never lose your sense of humour, as the world would be a sadder place without humour.And very much bluer, and of course it would be a lost cause if there was scant else to enjoy. Now this mail has generated me a heap of mails, into my letter box, and I thank all those that have taken the time to remind of why they are happy that I admin this list, and there has been times in the last few weeks, where I was ready to give it all away and do nothing. Now I think from having read all these mails *THAT SHOW ON THE FRONT OF THE LIST* I am not going to comment on the private ones, there is indeed a lesson to be learnt here. To be a good list one must be able to post what data that they have, to the list itself, this in turns makes my life easier as those who are researching same name ancestors then connect.And I mean down the front of the list, there is nothing more annoying than spending hours doing a name search for a lister to find that someone else in their goodness has done it and sent it to them off list. If you must answer off list I suggest you take up the South Australian lists idea and write on the listers mail *Answered off List* then everyone knows, that at least someone has made contact with the person. This is not a secret society where, one must, do everything in a clandestine way, it is a list with its main aim of sharing information, after all, if you joined the list you didnt join it to be a *sleeper* you joined it to get information about Wicklow, some of you are on the list, because you just love the County itself, but yet again those of you who are listers not doing family name searches all have input to place on the list.Because if you love the place, you have seen it and I guess you have indeed something on a travel brochure anyway that you could share. I am not going to say who is right and who is wrong in this debate, but I will say that both men are entitled to their own opinions and must decide that between themselves now, because it is now an off topic, and I am hoping that everyone involved, has realised that mail sent behind a list do nothing but cause problems, comments are allowed, but lets step back into the family researching. There is one thing I must say though, because some names are what we call border people there will be from time to time references made to the other county, so hence, Wexford border, Carlow Border, and Dublin must appear on our Wicklow list from time to time. Now May I have my coffee someone get my slippers turn the heater on, and yes you may all join me and I am going to sit back and relax and say this to you all Yippppppeeeeee I got a good report today Cheers Cara

Debby I have been through every graveyard that I have looking for a Raymond buried for you and that included Wicklow town itself But that does not mean he was buried in Wicklow he might have been buried over a border or something But take heart he was buried in the ground some where and given time providing he has a headstone we will between us all track him down Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Raymond" <debbyraymond@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [Wicklow] Land deeds; wills > Thanks to Cara and Cyril for recent tips, particularly about searching the > land deeds at Henrietta Street. I'll try to look into that myself when I > am next in Ireland. Where would I go in Dublin to look up Wills? > > My RAYMONDS don't appear in Wicklow in Griffiths Valuations in the 1850s. > I think they had disappeared from there even before the Tithe Applotments > of the 1830s. > > There are documented RAYMONDS who came from England to Dublin in about > 1600, and soon after moved on to Kerry. Through DNA testing, an exciting > genealogical tool, we have found that we are not at all related to the > Kerry line. So the Raymonds I can trace to Kildare in 1810, who I'm hoping > to tie up with the Wicklow ones, must have descended from a different > line, maybe even Raymond le Gros from France! > > I'd like to get a copy of Cantwell's book of cemeteries to see if I can > find Edward RAYMOND and William RAYMOND buried in Wicklow, unless some > kind soul can look it up for me? > > Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > SUBJECT LINE~ Make it catch the eye of the reader, > Body of the mail add as much information as you can > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thanks to Cara and Cyril for recent tips, particularly about searching the land deeds at Henrietta Street. I'll try to look into that myself when I am next in Ireland. Where would I go in Dublin to look up Wills? My RAYMONDS don't appear in Wicklow in Griffiths Valuations in the 1850s. I think they had disappeared from there even before the Tithe Applotments of the 1830s. There are documented RAYMONDS who came from England to Dublin in about 1600, and soon after moved on to Kerry. Through DNA testing, an exciting genealogical tool, we have found that we are not at all related to the Kerry line. So the Raymonds I can trace to Kildare in 1810, who I'm hoping to tie up with the Wicklow ones, must have descended from a different line, maybe even Raymond le Gros from France! I'd like to get a copy of Cantwell's book of cemeteries to see if I can find Edward RAYMOND and William RAYMOND buried in Wicklow, unless some kind soul can look it up for me? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia

Susan, Many thanks for the info on Alice Boyne. Regards, Chris Boyne -----Original Message----- From: IRL-WICKLOW-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Marshall Sent: 05 July 2005 14:19 To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Wicklow] ROLL CALL: Eager / Finlay Family Ballinabarney and Ballinafoyle Chris, Just recently I have received further information on this family, but unfortunatly no marriage date. Thomas Eager, Ballinafoyle b. 1809 m. Alice Boyne, Ballinaguile Children: Catherine (Kitty) Eager b. ? d. 1929 Dublin m. 1885 Alexander Eager James Eager b. Abt 1839 d. March 1912, buried St. Peter's Kiltegan m1. Possibly Jane Chamney 1869 m2. Mary Anne Jackson 1873, St. Peters Kiltegan. Jane Eager m. John Walsh, 1864, St. Peter's Kiltegan. Hope this is of some help! Susan ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== Never feel you shouldnt ask about your ancestors~ for if the first ask doesnt receive a reply then ask and ask again, for your family ancestors in Co Wicklow. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

yes thats right John i once asked Cyril for some Murphy's and all he could say was i cant sort my own out right, and are you researching the Murphys of Co Wicklow ? Because it would be no good asking this man he doesnt feel able to share anything with you Clorice ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Murphy" <olive_tree29@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [Wicklow] EVERYTIME > Whats with this man Cyril everytime Cara posts a mail, > Cyril has a comment to make,and it seems to me,it is always in the > negative,and it seems to me its always like he's got to be correct,and my > point is ,WHY dont you post some details dates and data Cyril, instead of > being so negative to the girl > John Murphy > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > *Folk lore* is a wonderful additive to family research, but one must not > base their whole search around it. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

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>I must say a BIG THANK YOU, to you John! I dont know why, because it has not changed my thoughts on your negative responses to the list and I have gone back and read some archives to re-inforce this opinion. > > I have been inundated with responses to your mail "off list", now, if I may > respond through the list? No assumption is a fool's tool ,Cyril and it was not this about the tithes and griffiths , that prompted my mail, and as it has turned out I now see that the reason you do act so negative is because no-one sees the replies to the list, so hence how could any one know *What a good guy your are* Snip> In the Griffiths' Valuations for Co. Wexford I was researching the Dennison > Family, they show up a James DENNISON in Griffiths' Valuation for the area > of Tomhaggard, yet there is no mention of any Dennison family in the whole > of County Wexford in the Tithe Applotments! > This is a FACT"!.>snap And the other FACT is this is the Wicklow List not Wexford or have you forgotten that as well, as being Negative on most things. And quite frankly my comment was you are negative geared and I dont see you putting dates and data down the list not where you lived, how you lived and all the rest of your travels. My comments were and I repeat them you are negative, I never mentioned whether you were right or wrong, Just asked you to give the *girl a break* I will concede that you are entitled to an oppinion, as I am to mine and in this case it wont change, you are very negative. And in my closing statement I draw once again your attention to the fact that yet again you over rode the list admins position from lister to admin with this statement I feel also that you have once again pre-empted your position as a lister I indeed thought Cara, was the list admin ?? isnt she ?? ****Can we now call this matter finished on the list? Further comments can be sent to me direct: cnews@eircom.net And further more I wonder how much mail Cara has received in support, off this list, would be nice if she herself received some off the list as well as you dont you think I remain entitled to my opinion and I apologise to Cara and any lister that cannot see this that I am entitled to an Opinion and I expressed it. John --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

>I must say a BIG THANK YOU, to you John! I dont know why, because it has not changed my thoughts on your negative responses to the list and I have gone back and read some archives to re-inforce this opinion. > > I have been inundated with responses to your mail "off list", now, if I may > respond through the list? No assumption is a fool's tool ,Cyril and it was not this about the tithes and griffiths , that prompted my mail, and as it has turned out I now see that the reason you do act so negative is because no-one sees the replies to the list, so hence how could any one know *What a good guy your are* Snip> In the Griffiths' Valuations for Co. Wexford I was researching the Dennison > Family, they show up a James DENNISON in Griffiths' Valuation for the area > of Tomhaggard, yet there is no mention of any Dennison family in the whole > of County Wexford in the Tithe Applotments! > This is a FACT"!.>snap And the other FACT is this is the Wicklow List not Wexford or have you forgotten that as well, as being Negative on most things. And quite frankly my comment was you are negative geared and I dont see you putting dates and data down the list not where you lived, how you lived and all the rest of your travels. My comments were and I repeat them you are negative, I never mentioned whether you were right or wrong, Just asked you to give the *girl a break* I will concede that you are entitled to an oppinion, as I am to mine and in this case it wont change, you are very negative. And in my closing statement I draw once again your attention to the fact that yet again you over rode the list admins position from lister to admin with this statement I feel also that you have once again pre-empted your position as a lister I indeed thought Cara, was the list admin ?? isnt she ?? ****Can we now call this matter finished on the list? Further comments can be sent to me direct: cnews@eircom.net And further more I wonder how much mail Cara has received in support, off this list, would be nice if she herself received some off the list as well as you dont you think I remain entitled to my opinion and I apologise to Cara and any lister that cannot see this that I am entitled to an Opinion and I expressed it. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Good Evening I am researching Murphy's Patrick Murphy Married Thomas O'Donoghue / Donoghue daughter Mary They took over the O'Donoghue Farm Parish of Clonegal Coolruss Wicklow If this is of interest let me know. Some of the Murphy's are buried in the O'Donoghue plot at St. Brigid's Cemetery Coolruss Wicklow Margaret >-----Original Message----- >From: Clorice [mailto:roxylady@hotkey.net.au] >Sent: July 11, 2005 7:54 PM >To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Wicklow] EVERYTIME > >yes thats right John > i once asked Cyril for some Murphy's and all he could say >was i cant sort my own out right, and are you researching >the Murphys of Co Wicklow ? >Because it would be no good asking this man he doesnt feel >able to share anything with you Clorice >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Murphy" <olive_tree29@yahoo.com> >To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:31 PM >Subject: [Wicklow] EVERYTIME > > >> Whats with this man Cyril everytime Cara posts a mail, Cyril has a >> comment to make,and it seems to me,it is always in the >negative,and it >> seems to me its always like he's got to be correct,and my point is >> ,WHY dont you post some details dates and data Cyril, >instead of being >> so negative to the girl John Murphy >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== >> *Folk lore* is a wonderful additive to family research, but >one must >> not base their whole search around it. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records >added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > >==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== >Stick to the lists Golden Rule and you will never go wrong, >Co Wicklow genealogy~history~news~ and be nice to one another. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records >added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the >world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I can only say that both Cara and Cyril Newsome always seems to be trying to help one person or another on this list. The kindness and help shown to me by Cyril Newsome when I first joined the list was simply great and I have never known him to refuse his help to others on the list. Thanks go to Cyril Newsome, Keith Taylor and Cara, and many others too, who have always done what they could to help with researching my ancestors. Shirley P