Pete mentions 47 RC churches, only 8 with graveyards. Where were Catholics buried? Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: <PeteScherm@aol.com> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Wicklow] ALCOCK/HAWKINS - Trip to Ireland > Terri at Teralcock@aol.com writes: > > << Do most churches have cemeteries attached? >> > > Terri, > > This question sent me to my Mitchell's book, "A Guide to Irish Churches and > Graveyards". I decided to do a bit of counting. The book was published in > 1990. I'd guess that his church-count is quite accurate, but I've often > discovered graveyards which he didn't list (not Wicklow, just "in general") and so I'd > be inclined to add 5 or 10 percent to the graveyard count. > > Anyway, in his book - for Co. Wicklow only - he shows 96 total graveyards. > He lists 36 Churches of Ireland, 23 of them have attached graveyards. There > are also 47 RC churches, but only 8 of them are shown with adjacent graveyards > !!! There are 11 other denomination churches in the county. > > I'm not qualified to answer any of the remaining questions - I'll leave that > to others. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact IRL-WICKLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. off-list at Admin Thanks > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Thanks Pete for all the info on cemeteries, which will make the hunting easier and allow me to make the most of my limited time in Ireland. Terri

Yvonne at yvonner@optushome.com.au writes: << Pete mentions 47 RC churches, only 8 with graveyards. Where were Catholics buried? >> Yvonne, Probably in their local townland or village cemetery - or see the following. Here is a section of the Introduction to Mitchell's book, which may also give some guidance: > Generally, Church of Ireland graveyards should be examined irrespective of an ancestor's religion. It was October 1829 before a Catholic cemetery opened in Dublin at Goldenbridge. Prior to the 1820's, owing to the operation of the Penal Laws, both Catholic and Protestants shared the same graveyards. And prior to the Burial Act of 1868, which permitted dissenting ministers to conduct burial services, the Church of Ireland held jurisdiction over funeral services for all Protestants. Right up to the mid-nineteenth century it is not uncommon to find Presbyterian ministers and Methodist preachers buried in a Church of Ireland cemetery. < - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

I've asked the same question myself, and have been told that locals point to many a Catholic burial in Church of Ireland graveyards!

Hi Kate, I have no info at all on Anne Hawkins' family. No idea where she was born, where she married. my info starts when she arrived in Ontario, and even then it's sketchy. I do have a pretty complete tree of her descendents though. Terri Alcock

Terri at Teralcock@aol.com writes: << Do most churches have cemeteries attached? >> Terri, This question sent me to my Mitchell's book, "A Guide to Irish Churches and Graveyards". I decided to do a bit of counting. The book was published in 1990. I'd guess that his church-count is quite accurate, but I've often discovered graveyards which he didn't list (not Wicklow, just "in general") and so I'd be inclined to add 5 or 10 percent to the graveyard count. Anyway, in his book - for Co. Wicklow only - he shows 96 total graveyards. He lists 36 Churches of Ireland, 23 of them have attached graveyards. There are also 47 RC churches, but only 8 of them are shown with adjacent graveyards !!! There are 11 other denomination churches in the county. I'm not qualified to answer any of the remaining questions - I'll leave that to others. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

I think I've corresponded with you or someone in your family - I just don't remember so well these days. Here is a Brownrigg marriage that could relate - John Brownrigg lived in Mullins in 1802. A brother? I will send you a copy of the pages I scanned. ================================================================================ Husband: John Brownrigg(1) ================================================================================ Born: Est Bef 1782 Baptized: Died: Buried: Marriage: Oct 1802(2) Place: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Events -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. He resided in Mullins, Co. Wicklow, Ireland in Oct 1802.(1) ================================================================================ Wife: ? Jones(1) ================================================================================ Born: Baptized: Died: Buried: Last Modified: 23 Jan 2005 ================================================================================ Source Citations ================================================================================ 1. Henry Farrar, Irish Marriages, Being an Index to the Marriages In Walker's Hibernian Magazine (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1972 also on Ancestry as a database), p. 59. Repository: Seattle Public Library, Seattle, WA. 2. Ibid, p. 59, 240. Repository: Seattle Public Library, Seattle, WA. Jeff Jernegan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Villalba" <estre68132@msn.com> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Wicklow] BROWNRIGG, MORRIS (or MORIS) > Hello, Everyone: > I'm new to this list, so thought I'd share some names and dates for which > I'm seeking information: > > BROWNRIGG, William b. abt. 1787 - Mullans Parish, Kilcommon, County > Wicklow > married: > MORRIS, Jane > > Several of us "cousins" can track to Wicklow, but no further back...so, we > seek William's siblings and parents. > > thanks, Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kate Burhouse<mailto:k.burhouse@ntlworld.com> > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:16 AM > Subject: RE: [Wicklow] ALCOCK/HAWKINS - Trip to Ireland > > > Hi Terri > I don't think we've been in touch before, but I was interested to see > your > connection with Anne Hawkins. Do you have any information on her parents? > I've been researching HAWKINS too, as part of my husband's family. I'd be > very pleased to compare notes and see if we have a link. > Best wishes > Kate > in freezing cold Devon, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teralcock@aol.com<mailto:Teralcock@aol.com> > [mailto:Teralcock@aol.com] > Sent: 02 February 2006 20:07 > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [Wicklow] ALCOCK/HAWKINS - Trip to Ireland > > Hello Listers > > This fall I will be making my first trip to Ireland after several year of > working on family history, and am trying to prepare by getting the family > research in order. I have questions for the more experienced and those > who > have > visited the Wicklow area.. > > Are there C of I in most communities and would records be kept locally? > Do > most churches have cemeteries attached? As far as the Griffith > Valuation > and > other census substitutes, is my best source the National Library in > Dublin? > Are there other local sources? What help can I expect from the Wicklow > family history centre - I have read conflicting reports on their > service. > Do > they actually have records there? Are there other places I should put > on > my > list for investigation [town halls and local libraries?]Any help the > list > can > provide to help me get the most from the trip would be appreciated. > > I don't have much information about my ggg grandparents. He George > ALCOCK > born about 1770-1790, married about 1811 in Ireland, may have emigrated > about > 1843 and died before 1861 either in Ireland or Ontario. She Anne > HAWKINS > born 1794, emigrated 1843 to Ontario, died after 1861. > > Their offspring: > William Frederick b. 1811, possibly in Wicklow, emigrated with wife > Mary > GRIFFITH and several children who were born in Antrim in 1852 to Ontario > George b. abt 1813 Wicklow, may have stayed in Ireland > Sarah b abt 1815 ? > Thomas Moody b Nov 30 1818 Wicklow emigrated about 1842, Ontario > Mary Ann b 1819 Wicklow emigrated Ontario > Richard Beecham b 1822 Carlow emigrated Ontario about 1842, married > Frances > POLLARD in 1852 in Ont. she born Hacketstown, Carlow > Susanna b 1831 Wicklow emigrated Ontario > > Any suggestions welcome. > > thanks, > Terri Alcock > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > *Folk lore* is a wonderful additive to family research, but one must not > base their whole search around it. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> > > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Stick to the lists Golden Rule and you will never go wrong, Co Wicklow > genealogy~history~news~ and be nice to one another. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Co Wicklow the Garden of Ireland.Where your ancestors grew, and now you > seek to find them. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello, Everyone: I'm new to this list, so thought I'd share some names and dates for which I'm seeking information: BROWNRIGG, William b. abt. 1787 - Mullans Parish, Kilcommon, County Wicklow married: MORRIS, Jane Several of us "cousins" can track to Wicklow, but no further back...so, we seek William's siblings and parents. thanks, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Kate Burhouse<mailto:k.burhouse@ntlworld.com> To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [Wicklow] ALCOCK/HAWKINS - Trip to Ireland Hi Terri I don't think we've been in touch before, but I was interested to see your connection with Anne Hawkins. Do you have any information on her parents? I've been researching HAWKINS too, as part of my husband's family. I'd be very pleased to compare notes and see if we have a link. Best wishes Kate in freezing cold Devon, UK -----Original Message----- From: Teralcock@aol.com<mailto:Teralcock@aol.com> [mailto:Teralcock@aol.com] Sent: 02 February 2006 20:07 To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Wicklow] ALCOCK/HAWKINS - Trip to Ireland Hello Listers This fall I will be making my first trip to Ireland after several year of working on family history, and am trying to prepare by getting the family research in order. I have questions for the more experienced and those who have visited the Wicklow area.. Are there C of I in most communities and would records be kept locally? Do most churches have cemeteries attached? As far as the Griffith Valuation and other census substitutes, is my best source the National Library in Dublin? Are there other local sources? What help can I expect from the Wicklow family history centre - I have read conflicting reports on their service. Do they actually have records there? Are there other places I should put on my list for investigation [town halls and local libraries?]Any help the list can provide to help me get the most from the trip would be appreciated. I don't have much information about my ggg grandparents. He George ALCOCK born about 1770-1790, married about 1811 in Ireland, may have emigrated about 1843 and died before 1861 either in Ireland or Ontario. She Anne HAWKINS born 1794, emigrated 1843 to Ontario, died after 1861. Their offspring: William Frederick b. 1811, possibly in Wicklow, emigrated with wife Mary GRIFFITH and several children who were born in Antrim in 1852 to Ontario George b. abt 1813 Wicklow, may have stayed in Ireland Sarah b abt 1815 ? Thomas Moody b Nov 30 1818 Wicklow emigrated about 1842, Ontario Mary Ann b 1819 Wicklow emigrated Ontario Richard Beecham b 1822 Carlow emigrated Ontario about 1842, married Frances POLLARD in 1852 in Ont. she born Hacketstown, Carlow Susanna b 1831 Wicklow emigrated Ontario Any suggestions welcome. thanks, Terri Alcock ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== *Folk lore* is a wonderful additive to family research, but one must not base their whole search around it. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== Stick to the lists Golden Rule and you will never go wrong, Co Wicklow genealogy~history~news~ and be nice to one another. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx>

Hope you have a good time in Ireland. My husband and his brothers and wives went to Ireland last Sept. Had a wonderful time. Went to St. Patrick's church in Wicklowtown, where our Redmonds were. Enjoy my self. may go again. Nancy

On Cantwell CD, I googled and found it, thanks for your patience. Terri Alcock

thanks for the info on the Cantwell CD - could you tell me where it is available? Terri

Terri, Just put Eneclann into your goggle search and it will take you there or http://www.eneclann.ie/pub-future.htm on top right hand corner click on New CD-ROMs

Terri, If we are talking about the Cantwell CD. Alcock 75 listings Hawkins 70 Moody 40 Pollard 26 This doesn't mean that there are 75 separate Alcock burials, some may be simply index listings and some may be multiple burials. But there are a lot of them listed. Joan

Freeman Journal Dublin, Ireland October 29, 1763 The famous Cephalic and Opthalmic TOBACCO, WHICH by Smoking a Pipe of it, is good for the Head, Eyes, Stomach, Lungs, Rheumatism, and GOUT, Thickness of Hearing, Head-Ach, Tooth-ach, or Vapours.--And to give free Breath, where a Person is troubled with Wheesing. Price four Shillings a Pound, or any less Quantity proportionable to Three-pence an Ounce, with Allowance to those who sell again. Sold by ANNE M'CULLON, at ALEX. M'CULLON'S, Printer, and Bookseller, in Henry-Street. Where may be had, The Genuine CEPHALIC SNUFF, at Four-pence an Ounce. -- BrianO broulig@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html

Dear Terri Alcock When you say wicklow do you mean county wicklow or town wicklow. I would think that the church records you would like to look at are stored at . Representative Church Body Library Braemore Park Dublin 14 The other source if Memorials of the Dead by Brian J Cantwell , May be the Resources of Family History Lib. Salt Lake City, Utah have information on film WWW.family search.org, go to library catalog. The Irish Architectural Archive 73 Merrion Sqaure Dublin 2 , I recieved a copy of sale of house notice.The more you can do before you arive in Dublin the better. Good luck Dave

Ireland Old News Peu's Occurrences Dublin, Co. Dublin, Ireland 28 May 1757 Married: Last Week, at Enniskeen, Co. Cavan, Mr. William RAYBOURNE, Farmer, aged 28 Years, to the Widow MARLOW, aged 107 Years, he being her 8th Husband Peu's Occurrences Dublin, co. Dublin, Ireland 14 Jan 1758 Belfast, Jan 6. We hear from CONNOR in this County, that on the 13th of last Month died at Glenwhorry, near that Place, Catherine GILES, aged 122 Years; she was between 15 and 16 Years old on the Dark Monday, 1651, & was working in her Father's Land when the Darkness came on. She was always employed in hard Labour, and lived on the most simple Diet, such as Potatoes, Greens, and Buttermilk, & never drank Tea or strong Liquor; and continued healthy all her Life-time, until a few Days before her Death; & till about two Months ago continued to walk three Miles on Sundays to Church. -- BrianO broulig@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own

Hi Terri I don't think we've been in touch before, but I was interested to see your connection with Anne Hawkins. Do you have any information on her parents? I've been researching HAWKINS too, as part of my husband's family. I'd be very pleased to compare notes and see if we have a link. Best wishes Kate in freezing cold Devon, UK -----Original Message----- From: Teralcock@aol.com [mailto:Teralcock@aol.com] Sent: 02 February 2006 20:07 To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Wicklow] ALCOCK/HAWKINS - Trip to Ireland Hello Listers This fall I will be making my first trip to Ireland after several year of working on family history, and am trying to prepare by getting the family research in order. I have questions for the more experienced and those who have visited the Wicklow area.. Are there C of I in most communities and would records be kept locally? Do most churches have cemeteries attached? As far as the Griffith Valuation and other census substitutes, is my best source the National Library in Dublin? Are there other local sources? What help can I expect from the Wicklow family history centre - I have read conflicting reports on their service. Do they actually have records there? Are there other places I should put on my list for investigation [town halls and local libraries?]Any help the list can provide to help me get the most from the trip would be appreciated. I don't have much information about my ggg grandparents. He George ALCOCK born about 1770-1790, married about 1811 in Ireland, may have emigrated about 1843 and died before 1861 either in Ireland or Ontario. She Anne HAWKINS born 1794, emigrated 1843 to Ontario, died after 1861. Their offspring: William Frederick b. 1811, possibly in Wicklow, emigrated with wife Mary GRIFFITH and several children who were born in Antrim in 1852 to Ontario George b. abt 1813 Wicklow, may have stayed in Ireland Sarah b abt 1815 ? Thomas Moody b Nov 30 1818 Wicklow emigrated about 1842, Ontario Mary Ann b 1819 Wicklow emigrated Ontario Richard Beecham b 1822 Carlow emigrated Ontario about 1842, married Frances POLLARD in 1852 in Ont. she born Hacketstown, Carlow Susanna b 1831 Wicklow emigrated Ontario Any suggestions welcome. thanks, Terri Alcock ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== *Folk lore* is a wonderful additive to family research, but one must not base their whole search around it. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

All of you that have been receiving your mails, may not have been aware that AOL was being an absolute chump again. So if anyone is asking a question of any subject that we may have had since the 24th January, please bear in mind that they are only receiving their back mails now. Welcome back All of AOL Listers and Peter Schermon I sure missed the map reading man. So patience is the word this week as we slowly get the lists moving again. And we all catch up on what is going on Should any of you be waiting on data from me and have not received it then feel free to remind me. Good luck in your research Cara

Thanks Dave, I meant Co. Wicklow. I am looking in the Kiltegan/Baltinglass area - an educated guess, based on the prevalence of families who are connected, such as Pollard, Moody and Driver. Have to start somewhere, right. also one of the spouses, born in Hacketstown, Co. Carlow. I want to have as much info as possible before I get to Dublin in October. thanks again, Terri

Hi Cara, Could you send the Sherwood information, please? Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: [Wicklow] FATS IN THE FIRE NOW -OK snip> > So here is the list of names I can cover for you from the burial book and > cross referenced to Old Kilbride ( headstones ) if I find any for them > mind you some dont have stones and other stones have > disappeared............