Dear Carol You ask "were there separate naming patterns for Catholics?" That is a interesting question My GT GT Grandfather was from a family of church of Ireland members, yet he named his children in the Irish Naming pattern, continuing the pattern for second marriage, his brothers did not. check my home page http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/djgriff/ under Manning/ Will of William Wingrove Manning Regards Dave

Thanks to all who responded to my query re what type of house I could expect my family to have lived in as per griffiths valuation. I now understand the valuation a lot more, and realise eg offices can be anything from just that to piggeries/outbuildings etc. Carol

Hi Cara and listers I'm still here, too - hoping to find my gg grandparents' family. Is anyone researching WHITE or WHEATLEY/WHATELY ancestors? Hannah WHITE and William WHEATLEY/WHATELY married in Co WIcklow in 1833 and their children were Thomas, Elizabeth, Hannah, Alice, Catherine, William, George, Deborah and John (my great grandfather born in Kyle, Co Wicklow 1855) All the children emigrated to Canada and the US except for Deborah who married Benjamin HORAN at St. Peter's in Dublin on August 15, 1862. Their children were John, William, Thomas, Nicholas, Mary, Alice, Helena, Deborah, Elizabeth (Bessie) and Benjamin. The WHATELYS and HORANS were farmers and Church of Ireland. I see we have a new lister with HORAN in the email address - would love to hear from you and compare notes. Thanks everyone! Stephanie in foggy California In a message dated 5/3/2006 12:35:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, cracker@hotkey.net.au writes: Thought this may interest a few listers. That is any one is still around on this list??? Cara

Hi Sorry if this is a daft question but were there seperate naming patterns for Catholics? Im getting quite excited using this one, please dont tell me there are others... well do actually cos its better to know I suppose:) Carol Irish Naming Pattern ... First son after father's father Second son after mother's father Third son after father Fourth son after father's oldest brother Fifth son after mother's oldest brother First daughter after mother's mother (or father's mother) Second daughter after father's mother (or mother's mother) Third daughter after mother Fourth daughter after mother's oldest sister Fifth daughter after father's oldest sister

Hi Folks I am sure many of you know you can search Griffiths valuation extracts at http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php I found this is very helpful to get started. Brendan On 11 May 2006 at 8:00, Carolgriff@aol.com wrote: Hi Irish Origins. http://www.originsnetwork.com/ I think it only cost £3.75 for 72 hours, I tend not to dwell on prices:) You dont get family members but its nice to see where they have lived. theres other stuff you get access to also but i havent hit lucky....yet. im getting as many printed off as possible cos you never know. Ive even found a Patrick Sullivan, Cara suggested he may be a rellie, and theres only 1 of them so could be the one or a sibling. Im addicted! The clock is ticking Bye Carol ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== WARNING QUARANTINE The Listers on this list been stricken with GENEALOGY FEVER ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Carol, Where were you able to buy access to the GV. I would be very interested in looking up descriptions of the houses for my families. Susan

Hi Irish Origins. http://www.originsnetwork.com/ I think it only cost £3.75 for 72 hours, I tend not to dwell on prices:) You dont get family members but its nice to see where they have lived. theres other stuff you get access to also but i havent hit lucky....yet. im getting as many printed off as possible cos you never know. Ive even found a Patrick Sullivan, Cara suggested he may be a rellie, and theres only 1 of them so could be the one or a sibling. Im addicted! The clock is ticking Bye Carol

Hi I only have 72 hours access to the Griffiths Val and intend downloading all John Donnellys in Wicklow also so I can hope to one day sort out who (if any) is mine. I'll probably also look at Shorts just in case. Is there anywhere I should be transcribing the pages I get for general reference or is this a no-no? Carol

Hi Ive just obtained the John Niles entry on Griffiths Valuation that Cyril kindly pointed me to. Its in Upper Knockanree, Castlemacadam. The description is house and small garden which sounds as I would have expected. Many surrounding properties are house office and land. Has anyone any idea of the nature of thes tenements. I imagined rows of "miners" style cottages ( just like I live in now in Sunderland England) and not a mixture of dwelling types. It would be great if someone could "paint a picture" for me. Carol

Hi Everyone. Is there anyone out there doing research the above names? The Finlay Family were all from Wicklow Town and lived on the Convent Road. . Also the McGrainor Family, there are many variations in the spelling, they too were from Wicklow town. and lived on Bachelors Walk My Grandmother, was Mary Ann McGrainor, married, James Keane on the 25th September 1907 in St Patricks R.C. James Keane was from Wexford, but I don't know where. Any help would be much appreciated. With Thanks Maureen In Sunny, but cool Victoria. B.C.

Hi Charlene. My John Carty was born 1806 at Englishtown Rathvilly Co Wicklow, his father was Daniel Carty, John married Margaret Norton in 1836 and they migrated to Van Diemens Land (Tasmania) with two children in 1839. He died there at Emu Bay in 1876 Have much more of his descendants but nothing of ancestors. If any of this makes sence please let me know. David. ----- Original Message ----- From: <charw@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wicklow] re Is anybody there > Not much help, but you never know, some small thing might just be the lead > I need. I have a letter from Uncle John Beatty whose second daughter is > married to a slater named CARTY and lives in Arklow. A Carty connection > might help with my BEATTY (Beattie) search. The letter was dated 24th > April 1844. I have no knowledge of Miss BEATTY's first name nor Mr. > Carty's. > > Charlene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dave & tess<mailto:davtes@bigpond.net.au> > To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: May 4, 2006 9:20 AM > Subject: [Wicklow] re Is anybody there > > > I can see there are quite a few there but there seems to be no one there > who is interested in the Cartys and the Nortons, particularly pre 1840. > David > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > You find your family in the census and write to the county where they > lived for 40 years, only to receive a letter stating all the county > records burned > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> > > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > Undocumented genealogy is mythology. > My family tree must have been used for firewood! > Whoever said "Seek and ye shall find" was not a genealogist > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Thanks for all the info re my Niles queries, Im ploughing through articles and books suggested. Im also looking for info on my g grandmother Mary Donnelly who married Patrick Niles 1870 Frizington Cumberland. Mary came from Co Wicklow to Cumberland pre 1861 census The 1861census shows John Donley born circa 1829 Co Wicklow- Iron ore Miner Esther Donley born circa 1833 Co Wicklow Mary Donley born circa 1855 Co Wicklow Im thinking this is them Esther- and John -are family names. I am using IGI and am interested in a VERY LOOSE LINK a marriage between John Donnelly and Esther Short 04 SEP 1848 , , Ireland. I know it doesnt say Wicklow but hey, you have to start somewhere. I cant find a Donnelly birth with mam and dad John and Esther but Esther Short and her family look promising. I have found some Wicklow Short christenings- could this be Esther with her siblings? i know it would appear to make Esther very young when she married but I am not sure of the norm at this time in Ireland, and would the christening be done shortly after birth or could she have been a toddler. Patrick Short FEB 1833 , Wicklow, Ireland Esther Short 19 APR 1835 , Wicklow, Ireland John Short 18 FEB 1844 Wicklow Ireland Mary Short 27 DEC 1840 , Wicklow The parents of the above are all John and Esther Short. A marriage looks good. John Short and Esther Cullen 1829 Kilquade, Wicklow, Ireland If any of this rings any bells with anyone, please shout as Im really stuck with this family. By 1870 Mary Donnelly has married Patrick Niles, her mam Esther Donnelly died on Christmas Day 1869 and I cant pin down John Donnelly anywhere 1871 census. All in all not a lot to go on. Carol

Hi Brian, Is there a Patrick Byrne in your line, who married Jane, and had children including Patrick, Anne (Nan) and Charles? Thanks Denis -----Original Message----- From: BRIAN PETERSON [mailto:the4ps@verizon.net] Sent: 06 May 2006 02:05 To: IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Wicklow] Re: Is there anyone there I'm keeping my eyes open for BYRNE, BYRNES,and DOYLE, especially Hugh and Laurence BYRNE buried at the BYRNE Family Plot in MacCreddin Cemetery. Hoping to personally visit the sight when in Ireland at the end of June. Deb Peterson Wisconsin ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== You find your family in the census and write to the county where they lived for 40 years, only to receive a letter stating all the county records burned ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx This e-mail is for the stated addressee only and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not the stated addressee you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If you have received it in error, please immediately delete it and notify the sender. Neither Melli Bank Plc nor any of its officers or staff accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to conduct security measures regarding this e-mail and any attachments. No contracts may be concluded or commitments entered into for and on behalf of Melli Bank Plc by means of e-mails. Melli Bank Plc is incorporated in England with registration number 4152338 and its registered office is situated at One London Wall,London EC2Y 5EA. Melli Bank Plc is regulated by the Financial Services Authority.

Anne, Many thanks. Did not manage to join any dots but interesting nonetheless. Turns out Denis is a long standing family name so something might still come of this and I will carefully file this away for future reference. Regards, Terry Trainor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <aboton@magma.ca> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:17 AM Subject: [Wicklow] Trainor baptisms from Tomacork parish, Co. Wicklow

----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara corotto" <bhcorotto@yahoo.com> To: <irl-wicklow-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: Fulham in Bray, County Wicklow > Hello, I'm one of the silent readers who keeps hoping > for a clue. I'm searching for family of my > great-great grandfather Richard Fulham who I believe > was born in Wicklow in 1824. Griffiths Valuation > names John Fullam in Bray parish in 1854. Anyone have > any ideas where I can go from there? Barbara Corotto >

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Hi Cara That is intereseting as Bridget is a family name and I wondered where it may have come from. The marriage also kind of fits in with the first known kid- Robert, and the 2nd known son was called patrick, I need to get those Irish naming patterns:) It also means that maybe the 1860 marriage is correct- always something to think about. Fancy from having nothing- I now have 2 John Niles to ponder. Thanks ever so much Carol

Which Macreddin graveyard would that be then ? Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIAN PETERSON" <the4ps@verizon.net> To: <IRL-WICKLOW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [Wicklow] Re: Is there anyone there > I'm keeping my eyes open for BYRNE, BYRNES,and DOYLE, especially Hugh and > Laurence BYRNE buried at the BYRNE Family Plot in MacCreddin Cemetery. > Hoping to personally visit the sight when in Ireland at the end of June. > > Deb Peterson > Wisconsin > > ==== IRL-WICKLOW Mailing List ==== > You find your family in the census and write to the county where they > lived for 40 years, only to receive a letter stating all the county > records burned > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

AREA OF RATHDRUM Source: FHL Film 101330/101350/101320/101321/101373101341 1 KILLEEN, John Marriage Wife: Ann BYRNE Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1850 Husband's Father: John KILLEEN Wife's Father: James BYRNE 2 RUTLEDGE, Richard Marriage Wife: Ellen BYRNE Marriage Date: 11 Apr 1850 Husband's Father: John RUTLEDGE Wife's Father: Peter BYRNE 3 PHILLIPS, William Marriage Wife: Essy BYRNE Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1850 Husband's Father: George PHILLIPS Wife's Father: Alexander BYRNE 4 PIERCE, Edward Marriage Wife: Maria Anne BYRNE Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1850 Husband's Father: John PIERCE Wife's Father: James BYRNE 5 EVANS, Richard Marriage Wife: Ellinor BYRNE Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1851 Husband's Father: Aris EVANS Wife's Father: Robert SCOTT 6 Wife: Pricilla WILLMORE Marriage Date: 26 Feb 1851 Husband's Father: Garret BYRNE Wife's Father: Isaac WILLMORE 7 HALL, William Marriage Wife: Ann BYRNE Marriage Date: 18 Aug 1853 Husband's Father: Samuel HALL Wife's Father: James BYRNE 8 BYRNE, James Marriage Wife: Ann SHIRTILL Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1854 Husband's Father: Owen BYRNE Wife's Father: Nicholas SHIRTILL 9 CULLY, Edward Marriage Wife: Jane BYRNE Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1854 Husband's Father: Patrick CULLY Wife's Father: James GAFNEY 10 BYRNE, Joseph Marriage Wife: Fanny MONKS Marriage Date: 1 May 1854 Husband's Father: Joseph BYRNE Wife's Father: James MONKS 11 WARD, William Age: 25 Marriage Wife: Anne BYRNE Age: 19 Marriage Date: 12 Apr 1862 Husband's Father: Thomas DICKS Husband's Mother: Elizabeth WARD Wife's Father: Thomas BYRNE CARNEW 1 DRIVER, William Marriage Wife: Mary BYRNE Marriage Date: 7 Dec 1850 Husband's Father: Robert DRIVER Wife's Father: James BYRNE BALTINGLASS 1- WELSH, Robert Marriage Wife: Alicia BYRNE Marriage Date: 17 Jan 1852 Husband's Father: Thomas WELSH Wife's Father: Terence KELLY 2 BRIAN, Thomas Age: 30 Marriage Wife: Mary BYRNE Marriage Date: 21 Jun 1856 Husband's Father: Michael BRIAN Wife's Father: John BYRNE BRAY 1 TEMPLE, John Marriage Wife: Anne BYRNE Marriage Date: 30 Aug 1852 Film 101340 SHILLELAGH 1 BYRNE, James Marriage Wife: Mary KELLY Marriage Date: 12 Feb 1852 Husband's Father: Edward BYRNE Wife's Father: Cornelius KELLY 2 BYRNE, John Marriage Wife: Margaret DOYLE Marriage Date: 15 Jan 1852 Husband's Father: Michael BYRNE Wife's Father: Michael DOYLE 3 BYRNE, John Marriage Wife: Eliza SHERIDAN Marriage Date: 23 May 1853 Husband's Father: James BYRNE Wife's Father: George SHERIDAN 4 BYRNE, Thomas Marriage Wife: Catherine BARRY Marriage Date: 2 Aug 1854 Husband's Father: Patrick BYRNE CASTLEMACADAM 1 BROWN, Henry Age: 24 Marriage Wife: Esther BYRNE Age: 29 Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1854 Husband's Father: Richard BROWN Wife's Father: Charles BYRNE Film- 101360 KILPIPE 1 NOWLAN, William Marriage Wife: Mary BYRNE Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1859 Recorded in: Kilpipe, Wicklow, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: James NOWLAN Wife's Father: James BYRNE Source: FHL Film 101411 Cheers Cara Wife's Father: Thomas BARRY