Thanks for the link, every little bit helps to unscramble the Irish Paddy Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Irish nameplace meanings > > Hi all, > > I often wonder what the Irish placenames mean. I just found a website > which > explains their meanings. Maybe some of you know of it already, but if > you > don/t, the website is great! > > _http://www.booksulster.com/library/plnm/placenames.php_ > (http://www.booksulster.com/library/plnm/placenames.php) > > Maureen N >

Thanks everyone for those wonderful links! Judy Judy Tuccinardi, Mt. Airy, Maryland, USA Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected] My genealogy website: www.ourfamilynearandfar.net On the homepage of that site you can choose English, German or Italian to view the pages.

Hi all, I often wonder what the Irish placenames mean. I just found a website which explains their meanings. Maybe some of you know of it already, but if you don/t, the website is great! _http://www.booksulster.com/library/plnm/placenames.php_ (http://www.booksulster.com/library/plnm/placenames.php) Maureen N **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

Wow - Thanks Cara - takes my CULLEN tree back 4000 years! - Martin Martin Allen Cragg Based in Cheshire, England, seeking: HAYDEN, CULLEN in Baltinglass? Co. Wicklow pre. 1840. CASE, LEYLAND in Prescot, Liverpool, Lancashire. GOODALL & KIRKLAND in North West & Midlands England. CRAGG, DOWNS, GRANT, LEAH & ALLEN in Cheshire, South Lancashire. email: martin"at"biblewitness.org.uk Web: http://www.biblewitness.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:53 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] LINKS ... > > http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/WicStone.htm > ...

Hi I checked Peter Pearson's book - there is a Kingstown House but not Kingston House. Also the place names index on logainm.ie refers to a Kingston townland both in Wicklow and Dublin (perhaps near Kilternan?) I would probably go for the Wicklow Kingston though :) M

Hi Cara I can feel a fight brewing over this issue!!!! ;-) Locals are known to spell it Dun Laoire and indeed a very old name (that was used even when it was called Kingston) is Dun Leary. And of course the King Rat himself, Sir B Geldorf rhymes it with "drunk and bleary that's Dun Laoire" Brendan On 25 Oct 2008 at 11:31, Cara_Links wrote: > By the way this is the correct spelling Dun Laoghaire of the town -- Brendan Dixon Educational Technologist UCD IT Services, Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland Vox: 353 1 7162008 Fax: 353 1 2837077 Save Paper " Do you really need to print this e-mail?

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlwic2/census_records/people_from_wicklow_1851_census.html http://au.geocities.com/marcpeyroux/bishops.htm (Historyof Patrick Moran born Wicklow) Burn Byrne Byrne problem 1851 Census http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/topics.census.uk.1851/2379/mb.ashx More Byrnes http://www.bytown.net/byrneswicklow.htm Maybe your ancestors were posh http://www.thepeerage.com/p329.htm wrecked http://www.irishwrecksonline.net/Lists/WicklowListB.htm Wicklow and Killiskey http://wicklow.glendalough.anglican.org/index_files/Page350.htm http://www.cmcrp.net/Wicklow/Bd&m-rat.htm http://www.geocities.com/alf_delaney/d1.htm Delaney born Wicklow http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/WicStone.htm Avondale House http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/257913 Irish lights http://cil2.adnet.ie/index.php3?LighthouseID=25 Women in history http://www.scoilnet.ie/womeninhistory/content/unit2/1798.html http://www.irishships.com/irish_mariners.htm Captain Halpin and others not all born wicklow TIGHE http://www.litencyc.com/php/speople.php?rec=true&UID=11762 Altamount http://www.altamontgarden.com/Web%20Pages/history.htm BUTLER Content http://www.butler.co.za/history.htm

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Hello Cara Sorry i just know where to ask i am trying to locate my McGarry ancetors i just dont have idea where to begin Hope you can point me in the right Direction Please Regards jean

Hi Stan I found the following information pertaining to the FW estate which may be of interest: Family surname was listed as: Hefferin: Jno. 47, Sally 27, Mary, sister, 23; mother Peggy 50; William King 18. They lived in Coolroe in the Civil Parish of Crosspatrick. They sailed in 1853 from New Ross on the Dunbrody. Family surname listed as Hefferon: Bridget 40, Michael 22, Catherine 20, Anne 18, Ellen 14, John 12, Bridget 8. They lived in Askakeagh in the Civil Parish of Preban and sailed from New Ross on the ship Jessie on 17 May 1848. Family surname: Moore Sarah 40, John 18, William 16, Mick 14, Rachel 10, Sarah 6, Pat 4. Lived in Balllykelly in the Civil Parish of Carnew and left on the Dunbrody from New Ross in 1853 Ann Burns Ottawa ON Canada Hi Cara, I am researching relatives that worked on the Fitzwilliam Estates: MOORE, HEFFERNAN/HEFFRENAN and SHERIDAN. >From what information I currently have, they lived in County Wicklow in the villages of Ballykelly, Coolroe and Parkmore. I know that the widow, Sarah (Heffernan/Heffrenan) Moore, sailed for Canada with her five children from New Ross on the Dunbrodie in 1853 and settled in Barrie, Ontario. Stan Moore -----------------------------------------------------

Hi Cara, I am researching relatives that worked on the Fitzwilliam Estates: MOORE, HEFFERNAN/HEFFRENAN and SHERIDAN. >From what information I currently have, they lived in County Wicklow in the villages of Ballykelly, Coolroe and Parkmore. I know that the widow, Sarah (Heffernan/Heffrenan) Moore, sailed for Canada with her five children from New Ross on the Dunbrodie in 1853 and settled in Barrie, Ontario. Stan Moore ----------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 307 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:32:17 +1100 From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] FITZWILLIAM ESTATE To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers Are there many of you seeking relatives that left the Fitzwilliam estate and time frame I am asking about is 1847 onwards not sure about the first lot that left. Perhaps there may be a connection to those who left in the famine times to those that left earlier - ? I would like to know who on the list is seeking these rellies that they KNOW left the Fitzwilliams estate in the famine years Please contact me either on or off list Cara ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-WICKLOW list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-WICKLOW mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 307 *******************************************

I am going through some Pennsylvania obituaries and thought I would share this one: Mrs. Mary SHANNON, 85, died at her home in West Leisenring Monday afternoon, April 11, 1938, at 5:30 o'clock following a short illness of pneumonia. She was the daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. John BUCKLEY and was born at County Wicklow, Ireland, removing to the United States in 1883 at which time she located in Dunbar township, where she had resided since that time. Her husband Arthur SHANNON, died March 2, 1938. Surviving are the following children: William HEFFERN of Uniontown; John HEFFERN of Oliver No. 1; Michael HEFFERN of Ralph; Mrs. Michael WALSH of Weirton, W. Va; Mrs. Patrick McCARTHY of Uniontown, and Miss Katherine SHANNON, at home. She is also survived by 30 grandchildren and 41 great-grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at the family home Wednesday morning at 9:15 o'clock with requiem mass at 10 o'clock in St. Vincent DePaul R.C. church, Leisenring No. 1, Rev. Father L.D. McNANANY, celebrant, assisted by Rev. Michael BONIFIELD of Connellsville and Rev. Father Thomas DUNN of Uniontown. Mrs. SHANNON was a devoted member of the Leisenring No. 1 church. Burial will be in the new St. Joseph's cemetery, Connellsville. noted in pencil on the obit: Mary's first husband was Michael HEFFERN b. 1852 Wicklow Co. Ireland. Christina ==========================

Hi Cara & List. Well, here we go again. I have gained some general info from the list and you Cara, in regards to Thomas McEvoy. I found a man in Ireland - Jim Herlihy - who I received Thomas McEvoy's RIC records from. That gave me a little information such as when he joined and when he resigned the RIC. Edward Pennefeather Esq signed for Thomas McEvoy's recommendation on his RIC enrolment. I know that the Pennefeathers owned Rathsallagh for a while. I am talking in the 1850's timeframe. Thomas joined the RIC 1/12/1853. I seem unable to find Thomas' parents though. They were David McEvoy & Mary Hayden. Thomas joined the RIC in 1853 aged 20 yrs. So, I guess that puts his birth c1833. On various forms throughout his life, Thomas listed both Wicklow and Kildare as his place of birth. I know that Rathsallagh is very close to the Kildare border, maybe he was born over the border, but still listed Dunlavin/Rathsallagh as home? Thomas was posted to Co Antrim 25/03/1854, so I am assuming he spent approx 4 months in the RIC in Wicklow (maybe even Dunlavin). Was there a RIC barracks close to Dunlavin/Rathsallagh? Might Thomas have been posted there to do his 'basic training' before going to Antrim? Or maybe in Co Kildare? Is there any way to find out where David McEvoy and Mary (Hayden) lived? I don't know whether they were from Co Kildare or Wicklow. I know that Thomas emigrated to Australia in 1857. I have good info on him once here in Australia. He joined the Victorian Police Force, continuing his profession in law enforcement. I have heard that sometimes RIC members had other family members already (or previously) in the constabulary. Might it be possible that David McEvoy was also in the RIC? I am grateful for all the help I have received on Thomas already from this list, particularly you Cara. If anyone has any info that might shed light on this elusive McEvoy family, I would be very grateful. Regards, Jane AUSTRALIA Liewah Station Moulamein nsw 2733

And it was reversed Peggy, so therefore there is a difference between the way the accent says it. You know as well as I do that Arklow folk talk different to Gorey and try understanding a Cork man on a good day - now that is an exercise in accent. Then the Kerry man he talks different as well, all different accents make for soundex of different names and again the SPelling of Weadock, WeaDICK and Weadock and Warlock come under that strangeness of how people read registers you surely dont doubt this Nail yes being a derivative of Neil and Niel as well. And I am not about to share my maiden name to anyone because I shudder to think where it arose from suffice to say it is a bit of a crack in the wall at times, so imagine what that is like to research. But in Ireland we have Norman, palatine and many other displaced persons names that must cause one to wonder what it all began as? For instance where did the name Correll begin? and by the way Peggy do you have any in your data base - any time frame along with Johnson and the other name I will contact you off list as it belongs to half of Arklow. Anyone else wish to discuss the changing of their names in the cause of times other than by marriage folk. Cheers for now Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] IRL-WICKLOW Digest, NILES/NEIL > Hi. > > Since my name was O'Neill, I can't see any similarity between Niles and > Neil, unless someone reversed the E and L. > When I travel to Ireland, my father is always called "Dinny Nail" > In the US, my mother's name was pronounced "Wee-dock", but in Ireland, > it's > "Way-dick". > > Peggy > > > In a message dated 10/24/2008 3:07:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NILES maybe not so rare in Ireland ([email protected]) > 2. Re: NILES maybe not so rare in Ireland (Cara_Links) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:03:17 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] NILES maybe not so rare in Ireland > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi > > Ive been searching this site- its a bit off topis cos none of the > records > are Co Wicklow but I fee that maybe my Wicklow NILES could be > connected. > > http://www.irish-roots.ie/pay-per-view.asp > > and have found a smattering of NILE names. Its certainly got me thinking > that maybe my John NILES is not as rare as I thought, Could there be a > connection? Anyone who has a rare name should search this site, saying > that > I haven > yet worked out whether it will be worth while paying to view. My John > Niles > was > born circa 1825-1830 Co Wicklow and his marriage record shows father > John- > best shot is maybe dad John remarried, worst scenario is no connection > to > any > of these. > By the way the site says records for Co Wicklow are coming soon. > > Carol > > Cavan- Anna CI Parish > 1833 John NILE > > Meath > 1822 Samuel NILE > > Kildare > 1866 Mary NILE > > Cork- Coachford RC Parish > 1832 John NILE > 1832 Johanna NILE > > Down > 1919 Cassandra NILES - father John > > and a funeral > Tipperary Templemure Parish > 1848 Martha NILE > > > Theres also an entry on IGI 1871 baptism Mary NILES- father John NILES > mother Catherine Dargin in Tipperary. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:34:35 +1100 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] NILES maybe not so rare in Ireland > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Carol, > > The Irish talk with such a beautiful accent, that when you listen to it > on a > daily base and you mention the Name Niel or Neill and you hear the accent > say Niles, one wonders if it is a name on its own or a derivitative of > the > name Niels ( Neil) and you then must allow that all this indexing > leaves > you with a headache when you also realise that the man standing in front > of > you talking to the parish priest is saying JOHN NIELS and meaning > possibly > Neils, and the man hearing it is writing John NILE and then many moons on > here comes the modern lassie or lad to transcribe the register with the > name > in it and they see variants of the name NILE< NIEL<NIELS and on it goes. > One does take heart when they see your courage and fortitude in tackling > this name, and admire the fact that you have never given in, never said > die, > keep it up girl, I so admire your courage to keep on keeping on. > > Cheers > Cara > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-WICKLOW list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-WICKLOW mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 326 > ******************************************* > > > **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! 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Hi I think there are two answers! Kingston is a small townland 2 miles due south of Rathdrum village. It is near Corballis, Ballinacorrig Upper and Avondale - so that might help you if you have any names coming from those townlands. Corballis was a big house built in the area (1735) and of course there was a house at Avondale (1777) where Parnell was born. There is also a Kingston Hotel in Dun Laoghaire (which was in North Rathdown, the area is now called Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown), which used to be called Kingstown before independence. You could check out a book "Between the Mountains and the Sea" by Peter Pearson to see if he mentions a Kingston House in the Dublin area (or if this hotel used to be Kingston House). I will have a look here locally and let you know. Were you expecting it to be a "big house"? Michael On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Elaine Murphy <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi All > Could anyone help me with the where abouts of Kingston House. I have it > mentioned in twice the first Rathdrum and the second is Rathdown. I have > heard of Rathdrum but not Rathdown any help would be appreciated. > > Regards > Elaine > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

By the way this is the correct spelling Dun Laoghaire of the town that was once called Kingston or Kingstown. When the English were resident there. Cheers again Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Rathdrum or Rathdown > Hi All > Could anyone help me with the where abouts of Kingston House. I have it > mentioned in twice the first Rathdrum and the second is Rathdown. I have > heard of Rathdrum but not Rathdown any help would be appreciated. > > Regards > Elaine > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 23/10/2008 3:29 PM

Elaine the spelling of Kingston is related to Rathdrum Perhaps the mis conception has arose over the fact that Kigstown was once Dunleary ( and yes I know that is spelt wrong) Rathdown is in fact if you want a simplified way of addressing it in my mind Rathdrum towards Glendalough Rathdown towards Dublin Someone else of course will have a clearer way of looking at this But a Google search with Kingston Co Wicklow brings up a lovely old estate house for sale ............mmmm yes wouldnt mind a home there Cheers for now Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Murphy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Rathdrum or Rathdown > Hi All > Could anyone help me with the where abouts of Kingston House. I have it > mentioned in twice the first Rathdrum and the second is Rathdown. I have > heard of Rathdrum but not Rathdown any help would be appreciated. > > Regards > Elaine > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 23/10/2008 3:29 PM

Thanks Cara I thought it was Rathdrum but wanted to confirm it. Regards Elaine Hi All Could anyone help me with the where abouts of Kingston House. I have it mentioned in twice the first Rathdrum and the second is Rathdown. I have heard of Rathdrum but not Rathdown any help would be appreciated. Regards Elaine

Hi All Could anyone help me with the where abouts of Kingston House. I have it mentioned in twice the first Rathdrum and the second is Rathdown. I have heard of Rathdrum but not Rathdown any help would be appreciated. Regards Elaine

Hi Peggy Thanks for the insite- I had a great uncle- born and bred in Co Durham England called Dennis Niles- He was known as Dinny Niles- wonder if his Irish grandparents pronounced it that way. Actually everyone who can remember Mary Niles nee Donnelly says they couldnt understand a word she said, even though she must have left Co Wicklow before she was 5. She did live in a strongly populated Irsih area in Cumberland England before moving to Co Durham though so I guess both she and Patrick NILES had Irish accents. Carol