Dear Listers, and my extended family, I am taking this moment in time, to wish each and all of you a very Merry Christmas. I hope your holiday season is filled with joy and warm thoughts Stay safe and enjoy the break. Cheers from here Cara Holly and Ivy Folklore Since pre- Christmas times in Ireland, the Ivy has been considered a sacred plant, and in parts of Ireland ivy was once used to treat corns, runny noses and rashes! Ivy growing on the house will protect the family from evil. Holly hung in the house protects it from misfortune. Some say the holly wood was used in the construction of the cross and holly berries are so coloured in remembrance of Christ's Blood. Holly, when the festive season is over must never be burnt while he leaves are green. What do the "Twelve Days of Christmas Mean"? I have been told that the Twelve days of Christmas do not relate to the twelve days during which the magi searched for the infant ...Various sources suggest they form a coded checklist of the Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church- coded to avoid the arousing of suspicion of Oliver Cromwell and his followers - and that the verses can be interpreted as follows A Partridge In A Pear Tree- Represents One True God Two Turtledoves Are The Old And The New Testaments Three French Hens Are Faith Hope And Charity Four Calling Birds Stand For Four Gospels Five Golden Rings Are The Pentateuch ( The First Five Books Of The Bible) Six Geese A-Laying Are The Six Days Of Creation Seven Swans A-Swimming Represent The Seven Gifts Of The Holy Spirit Eight Maids A-Milking Are The Eight Beatitudes Nine Ladies Dancing Are The Nine Fruits Of The Spirit Ten Lords-A-Leaping Are The Commandments Eleven Pipers Piping Are The Eleven Faithful Apostles And Twelve Drummers Drumming Represent The Articles Of The Apostles Creed Taken from Cara's Diary 2006 Ireland

THE BEGGARS HOME Twas Christmas Eve And All The Streets Were Thronged With Passers To And Fro And Everyone Looked Bright And Glad Except A Little Beggar Lad, Who Had No Home Where He Could Go He Heard, With Tear Drops On His Cheeks The Merry Sound Of Children's Glee; And Drawing From The Crowd Apart, A Cry Of Sorrow Filled His Heart- "They All Have Got A Home But Me!, But When The Tide Of Human Life Along The Pavement Ceased To Sweep, With Naught To Rest On But A Stone. Hungry And Homeless- All Alone, The Little Outcast Fell Asleep. The Christmas Bells Rang Out With Peals To Show The Christmas Dawn Had Come; And While They Hailed A Saviour's Birth, The Saviour Jesus Stooped To Earth, And Took The Weary Beggar Home. Wexford Newspaper 1836

We have added another cemetery (headstones and transcription). This one is Kilbride & Ennereilly Parish Church Graveyard. I believe I heard this was the complete cemetery in two parts. Part one was done by Joyce Tunstead and part 2 by Yvonne Russell. To view go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on Wicklow and Headstones. Yvonne and Joyce have done an amazing job, as always. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ (Submission Form)

So Cara, That's where the little devils went, you had them all the time. Giving my computer a rest, you are welcome to keep them if you like. Gremlins...what use are they. Maybe they will get LOST in Cyber space one day and give us all a break! Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] GREMLINS IN MY MAILS > Dear Listers > > I write a mail to the list, and it is sent out, or so I assume it is, and > then sometime later I think, mmmmmmmm did I see that come via the list to > the person who asked for that..................the answer is I dont know > where the mails are going I am sending to this list-------------its > anyone guess where they have been going, but going back through my sent > mails I have discovered that some of these mails although leaving the mail > box as out mails are not arriving at the destination which in this case is > Ireland Wicklow ------------so for those of you that think I have been > slow, ( well I am ) or ignoring you that is not true, I apologise for the > wonderful gremlin who runs interference on my mails to this list, and can > only hope that i have the problem under control with a big shamrock to > swat the culprit............whatever it is. > > Now if any of you were waiting for something from me and I have not done > it - then please dont hesitate to rattle my mail box and tell me, and I > can yet again only apologise for modern techno gremlin who for some > unknown reason has decided that I cannot send mail to the list. > > So ask > > Cheers > Cara > *************************************** >

Dear Listers I write a mail to the list, and it is sent out, or so I assume it is, and then sometime later I think, mmmmmmmm did I see that come via the list to the person who asked for that..................the answer is I dont know where the mails are going I am sending to this list-------------its anyone guess where they have been going, but going back through my sent mails I have discovered that some of these mails although leaving the mail box as out mails are not arriving at the destination which in this case is Ireland Wicklow ------------so for those of you that think I have been slow, ( well I am ) or ignoring you that is not true, I apologise for the wonderful gremlin who runs interference on my mails to this list, and can only hope that i have the problem under control with a big shamrock to swat the culprit............whatever it is. Now if any of you were waiting for something from me and I have not done it - then please dont hesitate to rattle my mail box and tell me, and I can yet again only apologise for modern techno gremlin who for some unknown reason has decided that I cannot send mail to the list. So ask Cheers Cara

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: John Willoughby and Alice Young > John Willoughby and Alice young were living in the Coolattin Clonegal > Parish and they had a daughter Alice Willoughby born 30th April 1869. > > > So if you like to look for the Co Carlow IGP pages which holds a lot of > Clonegal data and parish registers and scroll through those you may well > find your other siblings you are seeking. > > > Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm > > Now although I am directing you to the Co Carlow page it is a border town > and is listed also in Carlow ..... > > Cheers you now have a parish and a child. > > > Cara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vicki Harding" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:37 PM > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family > > >> Hi >> >> I have just received the death certificate of my Great Grandfather who >> died in 1944 in Auckland New Zealand and it states that he was born in >> Wicklow Ireland. >> >> Can someone advise the best place to find more information regarding his >> family in Ireland. From what I understand he was the only member of his >> family to emigrate to New Zealand. >> >> Regards Vicki >> *************************************** >> 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer >> >> 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: > 27/11/2008 7:53 PM >

These are papers or whereabouts of those in Sheffield which relate to the Fiztwilliam estates papers but when researching this family you need to be aware, that Fitzwilliam was or rather his family name seems to change as it suited them. Wentworth being one and one that starts with a R that escapes this tired old head at the moment Cheers Cara http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=F10781 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=199-vwm&cid=0#0

Hi Cathy Heartlessly I have to say, bits have come to the internet, but those you most likely need are housed in England and the National Library Manuscript room in Dublin, sometime ago I sent a list of MSS numbers etc either down the list on Fitzwilliams papers in the National Library MS Room, so therefore all I can suggest at this moment in time if for you to save those pennies and head on into Ireland for further research. Unless anyone wishes to sponsor my next trip into Ireland for research?// only joshing Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathy carley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Re Fitzwilliam Estate Papers in Carnew > GDAY:) > I have a Dirrect line of CLENDINNEN that were in Carnew Wicklow for awhile > as tenants of Earl Fitzwilliam estates There > Is there any way i can Get Hold of Either Vestry Minutes or Info on > Tenants Residing on his estate in carnew wicklow > Thanks > Regards > Cathy:) > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 6:16 PM

Butting in to your email content. Just thought I would pass on my experience with name changing from Irish into sort of English. Two gents ancestors in my research O'Toole and O'Madden removed the 'O' when immigrated to England. My uncle discovered he was Irish and should have had an 'O' when researching his family. He was furious, hated the idea of being Irish. (O'Madden) The O'Toole wanted to marry and gave his name as Toole. His bride discovered he was Irish and should have had an 'O'. She refused to marry him until he took up the 'O' again. Said he should have been proud to be Irish. The Bride's mother was Walsh from Kilkenny. O'Madden was from Galway and O'Toole was from Wicklow. We had a lot of interesting times researching them as we were looking for Toole and Madden. Sorry for butting in, Paddy Walsh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kehoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Manning - Irish or English? > David > There is a possibility they were an Irish family that anglicised their > name > to retain holdings. It is surely more than coincidence that a large > townland > in the heart of Manning country abutting the old Castle MacAdam is called > Bally[monneen], assuming O'Hart is correct in his translation of > O'Maoinein > to Manning.

Greetings Looking for family information on William ROSSITER b c1836-39 in Bray. Married Maria LORD b/f 1866 Listed in 1881 census as Chelsea Army pensioner of Salford Any help appreciated God bless Merv Rossiter [email protected]

Dear Frank Kehoe You ask Does anyone know the early roots of the Mannings of Wicklow? This what I have been trying to work out for many years. We know ( see http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/djgriff/) that the family was in Rathdrum from 1707 from church of Ireland records, but where before that. As they were tenants of Fitzwilliam it points that they were planted.may be from Yorkshire I would be interested in all leads. Regards Dave

David There is a possibility they were an Irish family that anglicised their name to retain holdings. It is surely more than coincidence that a large townland in the heart of Manning country abutting the old Castle MacAdam is called Bally[monneen], assuming O'Hart is correct in his translation of O'Maoinein to Manning. Frank Kehoe ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffiths" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Manning - Irish or English? > You ask Does anyone know the > early roots of the Mannings of Wicklow? > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

John Willoughby and Alice young were living in the Coolattin Clonegal Parish and they had a daughter Alice Willoughby born 30th April 1869. So if you like to look for the Co Carlow IGP pages which holds a lot of Clonegal data and parish registers and scroll through those you may well find your other siblings you are seeking. Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm Now although I am directing you to the Co Carlow page it is a border town and is listed also in Carlow ..... Cheers you now have a parish and a child. Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Harding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family > Hi > > I have just received the death certificate of my Great Grandfather who > died in 1944 in Auckland New Zealand and it states that he was born in > Wicklow Ireland. > > Can someone advise the best place to find more information regarding his > family in Ireland. From what I understand he was the only member of his > family to emigrate to New Zealand. > > Regards Vicki > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 27/11/2008 7:53 PM

I learn from O'Hart's 'Irish Pedigrees' that O'Maoinein [monneen] was anglicised to Mannin, Manning, Mannion and Richey. Does anyone know the early roots of the Mannings of Wicklow? Frank Kehoe

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Hi Valerie I have dug a little deeper. Fredweed was the daughter of Ebeneezer Jacob, Mayor of Wexford 1798, 1806 and 1809. Also MP for Dungarvan 1835 - 1837. I have found a letter from him re the rebellion and also a medal awarded by him, a mayor of Wexford, to one of the relieving forces, (photo attached) Kind regards Thomas 2008/12/4 Valerie garton <[email protected]> > Thanks for this Thomas. > > I will add to my info. > > Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Beddy > Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2008 2:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Fedsweed/Fridzweed BEDDY > > Hi Valerie > > Fedsweed Jacob, born 1821, was the third wife of Rev. Joseph Fawcett Beddy, > one time missionary in India and later rector of St Thomas Church, > Monmouth, > Wales. They were married in Llandudno, Wales on the 18th October 1866. > Joseph Fawcett died in June 1873 at Axbridge, Somerset, England. The > England > Wales Census of 1871 shows them living at Weston Super Mare, Somerset, > England and the 1881 census shows Fedsweed living at 12 Sion Hill, Clifton > Gloustershire - widow and landowner in Ireland. > > I have had a request from some one to trace Evadne Mary Elizabeth Beddy > born > about 1900 possibily Cuilleen, Roscommon. She married Leo Francis McCarthy > about 1921 and they lived in Dublin. Apparently Evadne was a well written > author under a pen name which is unknown. I have found a WWI war record for > a Leo Francis McCarthy which shows his address as being 5 Beechwood Road, > Ranelagh, Dublin. So far my "living" Beddy connections in Ireland have not > been able to help. > > Kind regards > Thomas Beddy > > 2008/12/3 Valerie garton <[email protected]> > > > Has anyone come across this christian name before - widow > > > > > > > > Valerie B Garton [Mrs] > > > > Dip FHS and Assoc Dip Local & Applied History > > > > Worldwide GOON Represetative for surname CULLODEN and HIGGINSON member > no: > > 4285 > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Postnet Suite 48, P/Bag X1006, Plettenberg Bay, 6600 > Mobile: 0832597593 > Fax / Tel: 044 532 7560 > > > SAVE PAPER: "DO YOU REALLY NEED TO PRINT THIS MAIL?" > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Postnet Suite 48, P/Bag X1006, Plettenberg Bay, 6600 Mobile: 0832597593 Fax / Tel: 044 532 7560 SAVE PAPER: "DO YOU REALLY NEED TO PRINT THIS MAIL?"

GDAY:) I have a Dirrect line of CLENDINNEN that were in Carnew Wicklow for awhile as tenants of Earl Fitzwilliam estates There Is there any way i can Get Hold of Either Vestry Minutes or Info on Tenants Residing on his estate in carnew wicklow Thanks Regards Cathy:) Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline

Hi Valerie I don't have any official confirmation of the date of birth. The only information that I do have is as follows. His name was William Willoughby and his death certificate states that he was born in Wicklow Ireland. He was married in Auckland New Zealand in 1894 it only says that he was born in Ireland. On his marriage certificate it says that his parents were John Willoughby and Alice Young. His fathers occupation is given as woolbroker. Sorry that I cannot provide you with more information with regards to where in Wicklow. I have tried various resources, http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/, IGI and by doing a google search for bdm records for Wicklow, but have not managed to find anything of relevance. Thanks Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie garton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family - Civil regsitration lookup > Can you send me what details you have in the following format only with " > Irish Civil Registration lookup " [without the "s] in the subject line: > > EVENT: > YEAR: > SURNAME: > GIVEN NAME: > PLACE: > > If you have any further comments or explanations please list them at the > end. > > As I do many lookups for many people I need to have a regular format for > your messages to finish up in the correct folder. > > Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vicki Harding > Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 5:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family > > Hi Valerie > > That would be great. I would love to have a certificate but I don't have > a > date of birth only a span of three possible years. > > Regards Vicki > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie garton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family > > >>I could look up the reference for you if you want to get a certificate >> >> Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Annie Massey >> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 1:48 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family >> >> Hi Vicki: >> >> If your relative was born from 1864 onwards, his birth should be in the >> Irish civil register of births. The indexes of these births are >> available on film from the Latter Day Saints, if you are near one of >> their libraries. >> >> The LDS has been transcribing the indexes so they can be made available >> online but I don't think they are ready yet. >> >> When you know the index (volume and page) of birth, you can order a >> birth certificate from the General Register Office of Ireland, for a fee. >> >> Good luck, >> Annie > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] New in IGP Archives New files added recently: Under Headstones -Newcastle Parish Church Cemetery, Pt 2, (CoI) -Killiskey Parish Church Interior Memorials -Kilmacanogue Cemetery Part 4 Under Cemetery section -St. Peter's Church (CoI) in Kiltegan -Saint Mary's Abbey, Church of Ireland, Baltinglass County -Heighington Burial Ground, Donard Village, County Wicklow Contributors were Susan Marshall, Yvonne Russell, Joyce Tunstead and Anna Ryan. Thanks to all our contributors! Regards, Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM

Can you send me what details you have in the following format only with " Irish Civil Registration lookup " [without the "s] in the subject line: EVENT: YEAR: SURNAME: GIVEN NAME: PLACE: If you have any further comments or explanations please list them at the end. As I do many lookups for many people I need to have a regular format for your messages to finish up in the correct folder. Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vicki Harding Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 5:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family Hi Valerie That would be great. I would love to have a certificate but I don't have a date of birth only a span of three possible years. Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie garton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family >I could look up the reference for you if you want to get a certificate > > Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Annie Massey > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 1:48 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Willoughby family > > Hi Vicki: > > If your relative was born from 1864 onwards, his birth should be in the > Irish civil register of births. The indexes of these births are > available on film from the Latter Day Saints, if you are near one of > their libraries. > > The LDS has been transcribing the indexes so they can be made available > online but I don't think they are ready yet. > > When you know the index (volume and page) of birth, you can order a > birth certificate from the General Register Office of Ireland, for a fee. > > Good luck, > Annie