Bearing in mind the issues raised in these exchanges it is well worth visiting the excellent EPPI site (sponsored by Southampton University, please read the BOPCRIS 'Terms of Use'), in particular this page; http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/view?did=c1:62950&p=965&z=125 Two points are interesting to me: 1/ The contrast between parishes in their treatment of the poor 2/ The fear of migration of the poor to England and how little migration there actually was at that time. A happy and healthy 2009 to all Frank P.S. Given the amount of 18th and 19th century Irish records that were destroyed, this site is extremely helpful tracing ancestors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Dowling" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:40 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Land to eldest son *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've just read this thread for the first time. I just have to comment. This is a quote from an earlier post from someone on the subject: <<The change to the Irish custom of leaving land to the eldest son, which was disallowed in the Penal Laws, was forced on the Irish under the belief that within three generations no Irish Catholic would have enough land on which to grow enough food to sustain a family and thereby provide an end of all these troublesome Irishmen. How Christian is that?>> Leaving the property to the eldest son, through the custom of primogeniture, was introduced into Ireland from England. This was a custom. It didn't prevent an individual from making personal choices as to the disposal of his property. He could leave it to any of his children if he so wished. The tradition in Ireland before this was a form of gavelkind, by which land was divided between all the sons. During the Penal Laws gavelkind was imposed on Roman Catholics of property (not poor people) in a successful attempt to reduce Catholic ownership of land. After the Penal Laws had been dismantled the custom of gavelkind was very often pursued by Catholic tenant farmers (under no obligation from anyone) in a long period of rising population. It was this that led to large scale subdivision and contributed in no small way to over dependence on the potato. As for new laws in the post-Revolutionary USA, I can't comment except to say that if its citizens were living under English laws before the Revolution they already had the right to leave property to any of their children. Attributing blame to people in the past cannot be done with any great precision. Hindsight is not something they benefited from, nor did they experience subsequent historical developments that might have enlightened their thought process. We cannot judge people from the past by standards of today. People (and whole populations) were often guided or misguided by narrow ideologies and fear of others. I don't believe that we are properly equipped to condemn any set of people from the past. I believe that in general they were doing what they thought was right. We, on the other hand, have the benefit of hindsight, knowledge of subsequent developments and in most cases an enlightened educational system. We should be slow to judge. Remember, hopefully there are generations to come, and they will wonder what made people of the first decade of the twenty-first century support narrow ideologies and inflict misery and distruction on their fellow man. Life's not that simple, is it? Paul Gorry Baltinglass Original Message: ----------------- From: Barbara Dowling [email protected] Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:40:47 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Land to eldest son Hello all, Just a reminder that c.1783,right after the Rev.War, the English law was changed in the new U.S. so that all children had the right to inherit equally from their parents.Of course this included real property as well as personal property. This has worked out very well in the U.S. as everyone knows. Barbara -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE

Hello all, Just a reminder that c.1783,right after the Rev.War, the English law was changed in the new U.S. so that all children had the right to inherit equally from their parents.Of course this included real property as well as personal property. This has worked out very well in the U.S. as everyone knows. Barbara --- Original Message ----- From: "GOLDING KIDD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Twas Christmas Eve and !!!! > Hi Maurie > Thank you for that - the context of our exchange relates > to the poem posted I think by Cara and was highlighting > a child living rough in the 1830's in Wexford . The next time you are > in Dublin I would like to bring you around to see the homeless and > those sleeping rough on the streets of Dublin during the year and > at Christmas in the year 2008 . How Christian is that ? > Easy to point the finger and to attribute blame - somebody > important once said 'the poor you will always have with you' . > Of course the book stops somewhere and I take your point > but equally in spite of all the 'advances' in civilisation we > encounter the perenniel problem where ever we go. > Wishing you all the blessings of Christmas and a healthy > and happy New Year > > Golding > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurie O'Connor" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Twas Christmas Eve and !!!! > > >> Golding, I am very aware that Wexford is in Ireland, just below Wicklow. >> Most of my ancestry comes from Wicklow, Galway and Tipperary. >> >> I am also very aware that the English did not bestow very much Christian >> charity at all on the Irish. The change to the Irish custom of leaving >> land >> to the eldest son, which was disallowed in the Penal Laws, was forced on >> the >> Irish under the belief that within three generations no Irish Catholic >> would >> have enough land on which to grow enough food to sustain a family and >> thereby provide an end of all these troublesome Irishmen. How Christian >> is >> that? >> >> The English have a lot to answer for in Ireland, and the Church of >> England >> had a lot to answer for in England, as well as the countries it >> consumed - >> Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Much easier and politically correct to say >> that God called the little one home, rather than admit that the poor >> little >> bugger starved to death for want of food, or froze to death from want of >> a >> roof over his head. And that still applies in many countries around this >> good Earth of ours!!! >> >> To some extent, the poor in England had a slightly better than none >> chance >> of surviving due to the good ladies doing their Christian duty. >> >> And Seasons Greeting to you too >> Barbara >> >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer >> >> 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maurie Thank you for that - the context of our exchange relates to the poem posted I think by Cara and was highlighting a child living rough in the 1830's in Wexford . The next time you are in Dublin I would like to bring you around to see the homeless and those sleeping rough on the streets of Dublin during the year and at Christmas in the year 2008 . How Christian is that ? Easy to point the finger and to attribute blame - somebody important once said 'the poor you will always have with you' . Of course the book stops somewhere and I take your point but equally in spite of all the 'advances' in civilisation we encounter the perenniel problem where ever we go. Wishing you all the blessings of Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurie O'Connor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Twas Christmas Eve and !!!! > Golding, I am very aware that Wexford is in Ireland, just below Wicklow. > Most of my ancestry comes from Wicklow, Galway and Tipperary. > > I am also very aware that the English did not bestow very much Christian > charity at all on the Irish. The change to the Irish custom of leaving > land > to the eldest son, which was disallowed in the Penal Laws, was forced on > the > Irish under the belief that within three generations no Irish Catholic > would > have enough land on which to grow enough food to sustain a family and > thereby provide an end of all these troublesome Irishmen. How Christian > is > that? > > The English have a lot to answer for in Ireland, and the Church of England > had a lot to answer for in England, as well as the countries it consumed - > Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Much easier and politically correct to say > that God called the little one home, rather than admit that the poor > little > bugger starved to death for want of food, or froze to death from want of a > roof over his head. And that still applies in many countries around this > good Earth of ours!!! > > To some extent, the poor in England had a slightly better than none chance > of surviving due to the good ladies doing their Christian duty. > > And Seasons Greeting to you too > Barbara > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

To all the folks with connections to the Wicklow site, who have made my first year as a family researcher so much fun, especially Cara and all those who respond to the requests for infomation, have yourselves a Merry little Christmas and a healthy new year. Keep up the good work, Jim HIGGINS UK

Merry Christmas to All, especially the Southern hemisphere, as its Christmas eve today, Many thanks to the Group, especially Cara and Joyce, for sending me information on my Hepenstall's. I am going great guns, and back 6 generations now..... Pam Landy In not so warm Florida **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

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Just to let you all know that the 1911 census records for Antrim, Down and Kerry have now been added to those of Dublin and are available at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Unfortunately it looks like we will have to wait till mid 2009 for the Wicklow census records. Still never mind a nice free Christmas present. Have a good one everybody Kind regards Tim Kelly

Golding, I am very aware that Wexford is in Ireland, just below Wicklow. Most of my ancestry comes from Wicklow, Galway and Tipperary. I am also very aware that the English did not bestow very much Christian charity at all on the Irish. The change to the Irish custom of leaving land to the eldest son, which was disallowed in the Penal Laws, was forced on the Irish under the belief that within three generations no Irish Catholic would have enough land on which to grow enough food to sustain a family and thereby provide an end of all these troublesome Irishmen. How Christian is that? The English have a lot to answer for in Ireland, and the Church of England had a lot to answer for in England, as well as the countries it consumed - Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Much easier and politically correct to say that God called the little one home, rather than admit that the poor little bugger starved to death for want of food, or froze to death from want of a roof over his head. And that still applies in many countries around this good Earth of ours!!! To some extent, the poor in England had a slightly better than none chance of surviving due to the good ladies doing their Christian duty. And Seasons Greeting to you too Barbara

Barbara If it is the poem from Cara to which you refer - I gather it was from a Wexford Nes Paper in the 1830 . And as you may know Wexford is in Ireland. ! Seasons Greetings Golding > Oh, Cara, that is so sad. And, even more sad, still applicable in many > parts of the world. > > Makes me think of the reasoning that seemed to prevail in Victorian > England > that the poor were necessary - gave the good ladies of the middle class a > wide choice of recipients to whom they bestow their christian charity. > > A peaceful and happy Christmas to you and yours. > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Oh, Cara, that is so sad. And, even more sad, still applicable in many parts of the world. Makes me think of the reasoning that seemed to prevail in Victorian England that the poor were necessary - gave the good ladies of the middle class a wide choice of recipients to whom they bestow their christian charity. A peaceful and happy Christmas to you and yours. Barbara

Cara, I was fascinated to hear of the alternate meaning of the twelve Days of Christmas. I was raised a Catholic and have never heard this reasoning. Thanks for sharing with us. Best wishes for the festive Season and New year. Jane Liewah Station Moulamein NSW 2733 AUSTRALIA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara_Links Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] HOLLY AND THE IVY Dear Listers, and my extended family, I am taking this moment in time, to wish each and all of you a very Merry Christmas. I hope your holiday season is filled with joy and warm thoughts Stay safe and enjoy the break. Cheers from here Cara

Well here in Kinglake, Victoria, Australia I was once told by a friend you need at least one holly tree. My answer one is too many. There are many holly bushes that Landcare has cut and painted with roundup. Birds love spreading the seed of holly and ivy. There is no holly and ivy decorations at our house at Christmas. We decorate with red bottle brush flowers. We do have a pine tree (alive) as our Christmas tree. But then the only good uses for a pine tree are timber, Christmas trees and food for Yellow Tailed Black Cockatoos. No I am not Christmas crouch, just know the problems we have implanting European traditions in Australia. Where ever we are Christmas is about the joy of new life and the message of hope God sends to us. May all you experience the Hope, Joy, Peace and Love this Christmas. Bev Johns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara_Links Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] HOLLY AND THE IVY Dear Listers, and my extended family, I am taking this moment in time, to wish each and all of you a very Merry Christmas. I hope your holiday season is filled with joy and warm thoughts Stay safe and enjoy the break. Cheers from here Cara Holly and Ivy Folklore Since pre- Christmas times in Ireland, the Ivy has been considered a sacred plant, and in parts of Ireland ivy was once used to treat corns, runny noses and rashes! Ivy growing on the house will protect the family from evil. Holly hung in the house protects it from misfortune. Some say the holly wood was used in the construction of the cross and holly berries are so coloured in remembrance of Christ's Blood. Holly, when the festive season is over must never be burnt while he leaves are green. What do the "Twelve Days of Christmas Mean"? I have been told that the Twelve days of Christmas do not relate to the twelve days during which the magi searched for the infant ...Various sources suggest they form a coded checklist of the Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church- coded to avoid the arousing of suspicion of Oliver Cromwell and his followers - and that the verses can be interpreted as follows A Partridge In A Pear Tree- Represents One True God Two Turtledoves Are The Old And The New Testaments Three French Hens Are Faith Hope And Charity Four Calling Birds Stand For Four Gospels Five Golden Rings Are The Pentateuch ( The First Five Books Of The Bible) Six Geese A-Laying Are The Six Days Of Creation Seven Swans A-Swimming Represent The Seven Gifts Of The Holy Spirit Eight Maids A-Milking Are The Eight Beatitudes Nine Ladies Dancing Are The Nine Fruits Of The Spirit Ten Lords-A-Leaping Are The Commandments Eleven Pipers Piping Are The Eleven Faithful Apostles And Twelve Drummers Drumming Represent The Articles Of The Apostles Creed Taken from Cara's Diary 2006 Ireland *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, I received this today. I for one, have been waiting for Wicklow to come online. I hope that it has been worth the wait and there is something in there! Jane Liewah Station Moulamein nsw 2733 AUSTRALIA New records added to Irish Genealogical Online Record Search System The Irish Family History Foundation's Online Research Service (ORS) are pleased to announce the availability of the Roman Catholic baptism records of the Wicklow Family History Centre covering the parishes of county Wicklow. This adds another 200,000 baptismal records to our online database. The Wicklow Family History Centre hopes to add its collection of Church of Ireland baptism records in the coming months. Just go to the following site and login using your existing IFHF login details. http://wicklow.brsgenealogy.com Remember that you can purchase and spend your credit at any of the IFHF online centres. Please check out our interactive <http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php> map to see which centres are currently live and which ones are currently being worked on. If you have any questions or comments please check our FAQ <http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/faq.php> and if this does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us. Click <http://brsgenealogy.com/docs_online/The%20Clann%20December%202008.pdf> here to view the latest edition of our news letter with information on the official Launch of the Online Records System earlier in the year. Best wishes to you for Christmas and the New Year. We are working towards having new counties online early in 2009. Yours sincerely IFHF Note: You received this message because you are registered with one or more of the Irish Family History Foundation websites. However, if you don't want to receive emails from us we won't send them! To unsubscribe from future email alerts, login to any of the above sites and alter your Mailing List preferences under My Account or click <http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/[email protected]&ch k=c1fbb9c5dc4867b4e17e2ae62c2b9da8> here to unsubscribe from all email notifications.

Christmas greetings to all on the Wicklow site!!! Have seen this version of the "Twelve Days of Christmas" but for many years. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <[email protected]> To: "'Cara_Links'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] HOLLY AND THE IVY >I wish you the same. > > Thanx, Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara_Links > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] HOLLY AND THE IVY > > Dear Listers, and my extended family, > > I am taking this moment in time, to wish each and all of you a very Merry > Christmas. > > I hope your holiday season is filled with joy and warm thoughts > > Stay safe and enjoy the break. > > > Cheers from here Cara > > Holly and Ivy Folklore > > Since pre- Christmas times in Ireland, the Ivy has been considered a > sacred > plant, and in parts of Ireland ivy was once used to treat corns, runny > noses and rashes! > > > > Ivy growing on the house will protect the family from evil. > > Holly hung in the house protects it from misfortune. Some say the holly > wood > was used in the construction of the cross and holly berries are so > coloured > in remembrance of Christ's Blood. > > Holly, when the festive season is over must never be burnt while he leaves > are green. > > > > > > What do the "Twelve Days of Christmas Mean"? > > I have been told that the Twelve days of Christmas do not relate to the > twelve days during which the magi searched for the infant ...Various > sources > suggest they form a coded checklist of the Doctrines of the Roman Catholic > Church- coded to avoid the arousing of suspicion of Oliver Cromwell and > his > followers - and that the verses can be interpreted as follows > > A Partridge In A Pear Tree- Represents One True God > > Two Turtledoves Are The Old And The New Testaments > > Three French Hens Are Faith Hope And Charity > > Four Calling Birds Stand For Four Gospels > > Five Golden Rings Are The Pentateuch ( The First Five Books Of The Bible) > > Six Geese A-Laying Are The Six Days Of Creation > > Seven Swans A-Swimming Represent The Seven Gifts Of The Holy Spirit > > Eight Maids A-Milking Are The Eight Beatitudes > > Nine Ladies Dancing Are The Nine Fruits Of The Spirit > > Ten Lords-A-Leaping Are The Commandments > > Eleven Pipers Piping Are The Eleven Faithful Apostles > > And Twelve Drummers Drumming Represent The Articles Of The Apostles Creed > > > > Taken from Cara's Diary 2006 Ireland > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wish you the same. Thanx, Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara_Links Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] HOLLY AND THE IVY Dear Listers, and my extended family, I am taking this moment in time, to wish each and all of you a very Merry Christmas. I hope your holiday season is filled with joy and warm thoughts Stay safe and enjoy the break. Cheers from here Cara Holly and Ivy Folklore Since pre- Christmas times in Ireland, the Ivy has been considered a sacred plant, and in parts of Ireland ivy was once used to treat corns, runny noses and rashes! Ivy growing on the house will protect the family from evil. Holly hung in the house protects it from misfortune. Some say the holly wood was used in the construction of the cross and holly berries are so coloured in remembrance of Christ's Blood. Holly, when the festive season is over must never be burnt while he leaves are green. What do the "Twelve Days of Christmas Mean"? I have been told that the Twelve days of Christmas do not relate to the twelve days during which the magi searched for the infant ...Various sources suggest they form a coded checklist of the Doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church- coded to avoid the arousing of suspicion of Oliver Cromwell and his followers - and that the verses can be interpreted as follows A Partridge In A Pear Tree- Represents One True God Two Turtledoves Are The Old And The New Testaments Three French Hens Are Faith Hope And Charity Four Calling Birds Stand For Four Gospels Five Golden Rings Are The Pentateuch ( The First Five Books Of The Bible) Six Geese A-Laying Are The Six Days Of Creation Seven Swans A-Swimming Represent The Seven Gifts Of The Holy Spirit Eight Maids A-Milking Are The Eight Beatitudes Nine Ladies Dancing Are The Nine Fruits Of The Spirit Ten Lords-A-Leaping Are The Commandments Eleven Pipers Piping Are The Eleven Faithful Apostles And Twelve Drummers Drumming Represent The Articles Of The Apostles Creed Taken from Cara's Diary 2006 Ireland *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cara. 'Tweren't me with the Dahlia for a dress, I always wore a Dandelion. Paddy Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] FITZWILLIAMS PAPERS AGAIN >I have posted these before but in going through some older files I came >across them so seeing as their has been some interest in the estates, I am >posting them again. > > I apologize to those of you that have already seen these, but then again > their are others who have not. > > > > > > These are Fitzwilliam manuscripts and microfilms taken from Hayes Index at > the Manuscript Library in Dublin > > With comments by me and some others that have read some of these > > Of an amusing side > > There was a verse that was on a letter amongst these papers that said > > There was young Girl from Australia > > Who wore as a fancy dress a Dahlia > > The Petals fell off and as a dress it was a failure. > > > > I wonder who the girl was from Australia that prompted the writing of that > verse. > > > > Mss/4969 - 4971 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd > Earl) > > Poor Law Rate books in respect of the estate of the Earl > > FitzWilliam, in county Wicklow, 1845. > > Comments *Not seen > > > > Mss/4972 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Ejectment book of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam in county Wicklow, > 1845 - 1860. > > List of tenants served with notices to quit > > Comments *Interesting read noted recorded some remarks on Revell family by > Chaloner > > > > Mss/4973 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > General ledger in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam > > in County Wicklow, 1847 - 1857. > > > > > > Mss/4974 - 4975 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or > 5th Earl) > > Emigration books in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam > > Co Wicklow, giving particulars of families due to emigrate, 1847 - 1856. > > Comments *Data gathered from this souce and others have gone to CD. > > > > Mss/4976 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1852. > > Comments*Looked at > > > > Mss/4977 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th > Earl) > > Valuation and rent survey in respect of the estate of the Earl > > FitzWilliam, in county Wicklow, mid 19th century-1850 > > Comment *Didn't look at this > > > > Mss/4978 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1853. > > > > Mss/4979 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Cash Book in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1853 - 1854. > > > > Mss/4980 - 4981 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd > Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1854, 1856. > > > > Mss/4982 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th > Earl) > > Turf bog account book in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1857 - 1863. > > > > Mss/4983 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1857. > > > > n582 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Fitzwilliam Estate Papers: Emigration books, 1848, relating to tenants on > the > > Earl Fitzwilliam's estates in Co. Wicklow. n.582 p.934 > > Microfilm > > > > Mss/2168 Fitzwilliam (William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > A volume of summaries of applications for preferment and appointments made > to William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl Fitzwilliam, as Viceroy of > Ireland, 1795. > > > > n2616 - 8 Fitzwilliam (William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, Earl) > > Sheffield City Library: Fitzwilliam Papers: Correspondence of > > Edmund Burke from his New York letter book & with the Marquis of > > Rockingham,Earl Fitzwilliam,Duke of Portland,Fox,Pitt.Charlemont, > > R. Burke, Grattan,Chas 0'Hara,T.L.O'Beime,Crabbe,Windham,Boswell > > & several other persons, c.1765 - 1797. n.2616-8 p.231-3 1765 > > Microfilm. Not seen > > > > > > Mss/3983 - 3984 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > Two memo books of the Fitzwilliam estate at Coolattin, Co Wicklow > containing notes on leases granted, changes in holdings, tenants'indexed > petitions etc., 1837 and 1841. > > Comments *Seen. Only a few pages used. Not fully indexed > > > > Mss/3986 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > Rental of the Fitzwilliam estate in county Wicklow, 1840 - 1841. Comment > *Glanced at > > > > > > Mss/3987 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > Letter book of Robert Chaloner, agent of the Fitzwilliam estate. > > March 1842 - Jan. 1853. > > > > > > Mss/3988 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > An indexed notebook containing memoranda on various matters > > concerning tenants and their holdings on the Fitzwilliam estate at > > Coolattin, Co. Wicklow, 1842 - 1853. > > > > > > Mss/3989 - 3990 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > Two small ledgers dealing with income and expenditure of Lord > > Fitzwilliam's day and evening schools at Camew, Shillelagh and > > Coolroe, 1844 - 1852. > > Comments*Looked at was looking for Littelwood School-Found it at the cross > roads in the end > > > > Mss/3991 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > Account book showing rent charges on each townland of the > > Fitzwilliam estate in county Wicklow, and the proportion of the > > Poor Rate in each, 1843 - 1851. > > > > > > Mss/3992 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) > > List of freeholders, etc. of the Fitzwilliam estate registered at > > Tinahely sessions, Oct. 1847 - Dec. 1848. > > > > Mss/3993 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th or 6th Earl) > > Arrears book of the Coolattin Fitzwilliam estate, 1830 - 1864. > > Comments * Looked at this was and am still Researching Twamleys of the > area > > > > Mss/3994 > > Fitzwilliam (William Thomas Spencer Fitzwilliam, 6th Earl) > > Account book showing details of materials supplied to tenantry on > > Earl Fitzwilliam's Co. Wicklow estate for repairs, improvements, etc. > 1863 - 1867. > > > > Mss/3996 - 3999 > > Fitzwilliam (William Thomas Spencer Fitzwilliam, 6th Earl) > > Four volumes alphabetised according to townland giving names of > > tenants on the Co. Wicklow Fitzwilliam estate, their occupations, ages, > > number of residents on and size of each holding and condition of the > > property as to buildings and repairs, April 1868 > > Comment * Good source for names etc. > > Mss/4946 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Church and county cess on lands in county Wicklow, 1784-1791, the > > property of Earl Fitzwilliam. > > Comment *Only included larger land holders Tenant farmers not listed > > Mss/4947 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd and 4th Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, Sept., 1787 - March, 1794. > > Comment * A very large volume not bedtime reading > > Mss/4948 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Memoranda dealing with tenancies on the estate of Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1796 - 1841. > > Comment * Could be useful > > Mss/4949 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Workmens's cash book in respect of the estates of the Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1796 - 1805. > > Comment 2005 * Not seen but this may show Gardeners etc. names > > > > Mss/4950 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1794 - 1806. > > > > Mss/4951 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Letters on divers matters to William Wainwright as representative > > of Earl Fitzwilliam from tenants on the Earl's estate in county > > Wicklow, and in his capacity as Captain of the Yeomanry, > > as well as letters from business people, 1807. > > Comment *I never had the time to read this through but it would be of > interest as regards > > The gentry of the time > > Mss/4952 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Wages and other accounts in respect of the estate of Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1802 - 1812. > > > > Mss/4953 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Bank and other accounts of the Earl Fitzwilliam in respect of his > > property in County Wicklow, 1811-1824. > > > > > > Mss/4954 - 4956 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the Earl > > Fitzwilliam in the county Wicklow, July 1813 - March 1824. > > Mss/ 4957 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Daily report book of Carnew School within the estate of the Earl > > Fitzwilliam, 1826 - 1831. > > Comment * Worth a read > > Mss/1826 4958 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Tenants' ledger in respect of the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam > > in County Wicklow, 1826 - 1873. > > Comment * great source > > Mss/4959 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Abstracts of leases executed in 1827, in respect of the estate of > > the Earl Fitzwilliam in County Wicklow. > > > > Mss/4960 - 4961 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1827 - 1829. > > > > Mss/4962 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Book recording transactions carried out with the poor shop > > operated in connection with the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam, > > in County Wicklow, in which savings of small sums were > > allowed to accumulate until sufficient to buy an article, 1830 - 1838. > > > > Mss/4963 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Household and other expenses of the Earl Fitzwilliam in > > connection with his estate in County Wicklow, 1831 - 1833. > > Comment in 2005* This also could hold names to the servants etc > > not sure never Had time to read it > > Mss/4964 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd or 4th Earl) > > A survey and valuation of lands in the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam > > in County Wicklow, made in 1833. > > Comment* Not of any use to me > > Mss/4965 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda relating to the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county > > Wicklow, Sept. 1839 - May 1840. > > > > Mss/4966 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Tenants ledger in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in > > l County Wicklow, 1838 - 1868. > > Comment * Very Useful > > Mss/4967 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county > > Wicklow, including conditions on which lands and tenements are held, > 1843 - 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First of all let me say Merry Christmas to all! Happy Holidays and hope everyone is healthy (Cara....) and happy during the holiday season. I won't say 'prosperous' since none of us are prosperous at this time. Enough of that. Thank you Cara for posting that listing! Loved the description of that poor girl and her dress....... Saw the Revell name of course. Well, take care all, Judy

Hi Cara:) Thanks for that info Have LDS filmed any of these Ledgers Etc of the Fitzwilliam Estates?? Also do they actually give u Births /Baptisms etc on his estate as well Love to actually look at some of these registers myself Would probably give a lot of info hopefully Regards Cathy:) --- On Wed, 17/12/08, Cara_Links <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Cara_Links <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] FITZWILLIAMS PAPERS AGAIN > To: [email protected] > Received: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008, 5:25 PM > I have posted these before but in > going through some older files I came across them so seeing > as their has been some interest in the estates, I am posting > them again. > > I apologize to those of you that have already seen these, > but then again their are others who have not. > > > > > > These are Fitzwilliam manuscripts and microfilms taken from > Hayes Index at the Manuscript Library in Dublin > > With comments by me  and some others that have read > some of these > > Of an amusing side > > There was a verse that was on a letter amongst these papers > that said > > There was young Girl from Australia > > Who wore as a fancy dress a Dahlia > > The Petals fell off and as a dress it was a failure. > > > > I wonder who the girl was from Australia that prompted the > writing of that verse. > > > > Mss/4969 - 4971 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Poor Law Rate books in respect of the estate of the Earl > > FitzWilliam, in county Wicklow, 1845. > > Comments *Not seen > > > > Mss/4972 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Ejectment book of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam in > county Wicklow, 1845 - 1860. > > List of tenants served with notices to quit > > Comments *Interesting read noted recorded some remarks on > Revell family by Chaloner > > > > Mss/4973 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > General ledger in respect of the estate of the Earl > FitzWilliam > > in County Wicklow, 1847 - 1857. > > > > > > Mss/4974 - 4975 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Emigration books in respect of the estate of the Earl > FitzWilliam > > Co Wicklow, giving particulars of families due to emigrate, > 1847 - 1856. > > Comments *Data gathered from this souce and others have > gone to CD. > > > > Mss/4976 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, > in > > County Wicklow, 1852. > > Comments*Looked at > > > > Mss/4977 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Valuation and rent survey in respect of the estate of the > Earl > > FitzWilliam, in county Wicklow, mid 19th century-1850 > > Comment *Didn't look at this > > > > Mss/4978 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, > in > > County Wicklow, 1853. > > > > Mss/4979 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Cash Book in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, > in > > County Wicklow, 1853 - 1854. > > > > Mss/4980 - 4981 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, > in > > County Wicklow, 1854, 1856. > > > > Mss/4982 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Turf bog account book in respect of the estate of the Earl > FitzWilliam, in > > County Wicklow, 1857 - 1863. > > > > Mss/4983 FitzWilliam (Charles William > Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, > in > > County Wicklow, 1857. > > > > n582 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, > 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Fitzwilliam Estate Papers: Emigration books, 1848, relating > to tenants on the > > Earl Fitzwilliam's estates in Co. Wicklow. n.582 p.934 > > Microfilm > > > > Mss/2168 Fitzwilliam (William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, 2nd > Earl) > > A volume of summaries of applications for preferment and > appointments made to William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl > Fitzwilliam, as Viceroy of Ireland, 1795. > > > > n2616 - 8 Fitzwilliam (William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, > Earl) > > Sheffield City Library: Fitzwilliam Papers: Correspondence > of > > Edmund Burke from his New York letter book & with the > Marquis of > > Rockingham,Earl Fitzwilliam,Duke of > Portland,Fox,Pitt.Charlemont, > > R. Burke, Grattan,Chas > 0'Hara,T.L.O'Beime,Crabbe,Windham,Boswell > > & several other persons, c.1765 - 1797. n.2616-8 > p.231-3 1765 > > Microfilm. Not seen > > > > > > Mss/3983 - 3984 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > Two memo books of the Fitzwilliam estate at Coolattin, Co > Wicklow containing notes on leases granted, changes in > holdings, tenants'indexed petitions etc., 1837 and 1841. > > Comments *Seen. Only a few pages used. Not fully indexed > > > > Mss/3986 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > Rental of the Fitzwilliam estate in county Wicklow, 1840 - > 1841. Comment *Glanced at > > > > > > Mss/3987 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > Letter book of Robert Chaloner, agent of the Fitzwilliam > estate. > > March 1842 - Jan. 1853. > > > > > > Mss/3988 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > An indexed notebook containing memoranda on various matters > > > concerning tenants and their holdings on the Fitzwilliam > estate at > > Coolattin, Co. Wicklow, 1842 - 1853. > > > > > > Mss/3989 - 3990 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > Two small ledgers dealing with income and expenditure of > Lord > > Fitzwilliam's day and evening schools at Camew, Shillelagh > and > > Coolroe, 1844 - 1852. > > Comments*Looked at was looking for Littelwood School-Found > it at the cross roads in the end > > > > Mss/3991 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > Account book showing rent charges on each townland of the > > Fitzwilliam estate in county Wicklow, and the proportion of > the > > Poor Rate in each, 1843 - 1851. > > > > > > Mss/3992 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th > Earl) > > List of freeholders, etc. of the Fitzwilliam estate > registered at > > Tinahely sessions, Oct. 1847 - Dec. 1848. > > > > Mss/3993 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th or > 6th Earl) > > Arrears book of the Coolattin Fitzwilliam estate, 1830 - > 1864. > > Comments * Looked at this was and am still Researching > Twamleys of the area > > > > Mss/3994 > > Fitzwilliam (William Thomas Spencer Fitzwilliam, 6th Earl) > > Account book showing details of materials supplied to > tenantry on > > Earl Fitzwilliam's Co. Wicklow estate for repairs, > improvements, etc. 1863 - 1867. > > > > Mss/3996 - 3999 > > Fitzwilliam (William Thomas Spencer Fitzwilliam, 6th Earl) > > Four volumes alphabetised according to townland giving > names of > > tenants on the Co. Wicklow Fitzwilliam estate, their > occupations, ages, > > number of residents on and size of each holding and > condition of the > > property as to buildings and repairs, April 1868 > > Comment * Good source for names etc. > > Mss/4946 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Church and county cess on lands in county Wicklow, > 1784-1791, the > > property of Earl Fitzwilliam. > > Comment *Only included larger land holders Tenant farmers > not listed > > Mss/4947 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd and 4th Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of Earl > > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, Sept., 1787 - March, 1794. > > Comment * A very large volume not bedtime reading > > Mss/4948 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd, 3rd or 5th Earl) > > Memoranda dealing with tenancies on the estate of Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1796 - 1841. > > Comment * Could be useful > > Mss/4949 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Workmens's cash book in respect of the estates of the Earl > > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1796 - 1805. > > Comment 2005 * Not seen but this may show Gardeners etc. > names > > > > Mss/4950 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the > Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1794 - 1806. > > > > Mss/4951 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Letters on divers matters to William Wainwright as > representative > > of Earl Fitzwilliam from tenants on the Earl's estate in > county > > Wicklow, and in his capacity as Captain of the Yeomanry, > > as well as letters from business people, 1807. > > Comment *I never had the time to read this through but it > would be of interest as regards > > The gentry of the time > > Mss/4952 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Wages and other accounts in respect of the estate of Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1802 - 1812. > > > > Mss/4953 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Bank and other accounts of the Earl Fitzwilliam in respect > of his > > property in County Wicklow, 1811-1824. > > > > > > Mss/4954 - 4956 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the > Earl > > Fitzwilliam in the county Wicklow, July 1813 - March 1824. > > Mss/ 4957 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Daily report book of Carnew School within the estate of the > Earl > > Fitzwilliam, 1826 - 1831. > > Comment * Worth a read > > Mss/1826 4958 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd or > 5th Earl) > > Tenants' ledger in respect of the estate of the Earl > Fitzwilliam > > in County Wicklow, 1826 - 1873. > > Comment * great source > > Mss/4959 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Abstracts of leases executed in 1827, in respect of the > estate of > > the Earl Fitzwilliam in County Wicklow. > > > > Mss/4960 - 4961 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the > Earl > > Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1827 - 1829. > > > > Mss/4962 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Book recording transactions carried out with the poor shop > > > operated in connection with the estate of Earl > Fitzwilliam, > > in County Wicklow, in which savings of small sums were > > allowed to accumulate until sufficient to buy an article, > 1830 - 1838. > > > > Mss/4963 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) > > Household and other expenses of the Earl Fitzwilliam in > > connection with his estate in County Wicklow, 1831 - 1833. > > Comment in 2005* This also could hold names to the servants > etc > > not sure never Had time to read it > > Mss/4964 > > Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd or 4th Earl) > > A survey and valuation of lands in the estate of Earl > Fitzwilliam > > in County Wicklow, made in 1833. > > Comment* Not of any use to me > > Mss/4965 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd > Earl) > > Memoranda relating to the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in > county > > Wicklow, Sept. 1839 - May 1840. > > > > Mss/4966 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd > Earl) > > Tenants ledger in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam > in > > l County Wicklow, 1838 - 1868. > > Comment * Very Useful > > Mss/4967 > > Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd > Earl) > > Memoranda in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in > county > > Wicklow, including conditions on which lands and tenements > are held, 1843 - 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I have posted these before but in going through some older files I came across them so seeing as their has been some interest in the estates, I am posting them again. I apologize to those of you that have already seen these, but then again their are others who have not. These are Fitzwilliam manuscripts and microfilms taken from Hayes Index at the Manuscript Library in Dublin With comments by me and some others that have read some of these Of an amusing side There was a verse that was on a letter amongst these papers that said There was young Girl from Australia Who wore as a fancy dress a Dahlia The Petals fell off and as a dress it was a failure. I wonder who the girl was from Australia that prompted the writing of that verse. Mss/4969 - 4971 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Poor Law Rate books in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in county Wicklow, 1845. Comments *Not seen Mss/4972 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Ejectment book of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam in county Wicklow, 1845 - 1860. List of tenants served with notices to quit Comments *Interesting read noted recorded some remarks on Revell family by Chaloner Mss/4973 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) General ledger in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam in County Wicklow, 1847 - 1857. Mss/4974 - 4975 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) Emigration books in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam Co Wicklow, giving particulars of families due to emigrate, 1847 - 1856. Comments *Data gathered from this souce and others have gone to CD. Mss/4976 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in County Wicklow, 1852. Comments*Looked at Mss/4977 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) Valuation and rent survey in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in county Wicklow, mid 19th century-1850 Comment *Didn't look at this Mss/4978 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in County Wicklow, 1853. Mss/4979 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Cash Book in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in County Wicklow, 1853 - 1854. Mss/4980 - 4981 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in County Wicklow, 1854, 1856. Mss/4982 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) Turf bog account book in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in County Wicklow, 1857 - 1863. Mss/4983 FitzWilliam (Charles William Wentworth-FitzWilliam, 3rd Earl) Memoranda in respect of the estate of the Earl FitzWilliam, in County Wicklow, 1857. n582 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) Fitzwilliam Estate Papers: Emigration books, 1848, relating to tenants on the Earl Fitzwilliam's estates in Co. Wicklow. n.582 p.934 Microfilm Mss/2168 Fitzwilliam (William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) A volume of summaries of applications for preferment and appointments made to William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl Fitzwilliam, as Viceroy of Ireland, 1795. n2616 - 8 Fitzwilliam (William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, Earl) Sheffield City Library: Fitzwilliam Papers: Correspondence of Edmund Burke from his New York letter book & with the Marquis of Rockingham,Earl Fitzwilliam,Duke of Portland,Fox,Pitt.Charlemont, R. Burke, Grattan,Chas 0'Hara,T.L.O'Beime,Crabbe,Windham,Boswell & several other persons, c.1765 - 1797. n.2616-8 p.231-3 1765 Microfilm. Not seen Mss/3983 - 3984 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) Two memo books of the Fitzwilliam estate at Coolattin, Co Wicklow containing notes on leases granted, changes in holdings, tenants'indexed petitions etc., 1837 and 1841. Comments *Seen. Only a few pages used. Not fully indexed Mss/3986 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) Rental of the Fitzwilliam estate in county Wicklow, 1840 - 1841. Comment *Glanced at Mss/3987 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) Letter book of Robert Chaloner, agent of the Fitzwilliam estate. March 1842 - Jan. 1853. Mss/3988 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) An indexed notebook containing memoranda on various matters concerning tenants and their holdings on the Fitzwilliam estate at Coolattin, Co. Wicklow, 1842 - 1853. Mss/3989 - 3990 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) Two small ledgers dealing with income and expenditure of Lord Fitzwilliam's day and evening schools at Camew, Shillelagh and Coolroe, 1844 - 1852. Comments*Looked at was looking for Littelwood School-Found it at the cross roads in the end Mss/3991 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) Account book showing rent charges on each townland of the Fitzwilliam estate in county Wicklow, and the proportion of the Poor Rate in each, 1843 - 1851. Mss/3992 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th Earl) List of freeholders, etc. of the Fitzwilliam estate registered at Tinahely sessions, Oct. 1847 - Dec. 1848. Mss/3993 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th or 6th Earl) Arrears book of the Coolattin Fitzwilliam estate, 1830 - 1864. Comments * Looked at this was and am still Researching Twamleys of the area Mss/3994 Fitzwilliam (William Thomas Spencer Fitzwilliam, 6th Earl) Account book showing details of materials supplied to tenantry on Earl Fitzwilliam's Co. Wicklow estate for repairs, improvements, etc. 1863 - 1867. Mss/3996 - 3999 Fitzwilliam (William Thomas Spencer Fitzwilliam, 6th Earl) Four volumes alphabetised according to townland giving names of tenants on the Co. Wicklow Fitzwilliam estate, their occupations, ages, number of residents on and size of each holding and condition of the property as to buildings and repairs, April 1868 Comment * Good source for names etc. Mss/4946 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Church and county cess on lands in county Wicklow, 1784-1791, the property of Earl Fitzwilliam. Comment *Only included larger land holders Tenant farmers not listed Mss/4947 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd and 4th Earl) Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, Sept., 1787 - March, 1794. Comment * A very large volume not bedtime reading Mss/4948 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd, 3rd or 5th Earl) Memoranda dealing with tenancies on the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1796 - 1841. Comment * Could be useful Mss/4949 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Workmens's cash book in respect of the estates of the Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1796 - 1805. Comment 2005 * Not seen but this may show Gardeners etc. names Mss/4950 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1794 - 1806. Mss/4951 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Letters on divers matters to William Wainwright as representative of Earl Fitzwilliam from tenants on the Earl's estate in county Wicklow, and in his capacity as Captain of the Yeomanry, as well as letters from business people, 1807. Comment *I never had the time to read this through but it would be of interest as regards The gentry of the time Mss/4952 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Wages and other accounts in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1802 - 1812. Mss/4953 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Bank and other accounts of the Earl Fitzwilliam in respect of his property in County Wicklow, 1811-1824. Mss/4954 - 4956 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam in the county Wicklow, July 1813 - March 1824. Mss/ 4957 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Daily report book of Carnew School within the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam, 1826 - 1831. Comment * Worth a read Mss/1826 4958 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd or 5th Earl) Tenants' ledger in respect of the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam in County Wicklow, 1826 - 1873. Comment * great source Mss/4959 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Abstracts of leases executed in 1827, in respect of the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam in County Wicklow. Mss/4960 - 4961 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Receipts and disbursements in respect of the estate of the Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1827 - 1829. Mss/4962 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Book recording transactions carried out with the poor shop operated in connection with the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam, in County Wicklow, in which savings of small sums were allowed to accumulate until sufficient to buy an article, 1830 - 1838. Mss/4963 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd Earl) Household and other expenses of the Earl Fitzwilliam in connection with his estate in County Wicklow, 1831 - 1833. Comment in 2005* This also could hold names to the servants etc not sure never Had time to read it Mss/4964 Fitzwilliam (William Fitzwilliam, 2nd or 4th Earl) A survey and valuation of lands in the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in County Wicklow, made in 1833. Comment* Not of any use to me Mss/4965 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) Memoranda relating to the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, Sept. 1839 - May 1840. Mss/4966 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) Tenants ledger in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in l County Wicklow, 1838 - 1868. Comment * Very Useful Mss/4967 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) Memoranda in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, including conditions on which lands and tenements are held, 1843 - 1868. Comment ** The 'conditions' are interesting Mss/4968 Fitzwilliam (Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 3rd Earl) Cash Book in respect of the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam in county Wicklow, 1841 - 1843. ====================================================