Hi Golding,   Sure, I would love to.  Just to make sure you will be able to open and use it, I need to know if you have Microsoft Excell in your computer.  If you do not have it, it will not open.  My setp son tried for days to open it and finally called long distance to ask why he could not open it.  I had forgotten to ask if he had Excel on his personal lap top, It turned out he did not so I told him to forward it to his computer in the office and he could use it.   Just tell me which Surnames you are researching so I can name each database.  Also, what other type databadse would you need?  witness and Godparents?  Ship Lists Checked?  Are you researching Ireland only, and if so, which counties are you researching in?  I check for Darcy, Moran, and Walsh in all Counties in Ireland.   Joseph --- On Tue, 2/3/09, GOLDING KIDD <[email protected]> wrote: From: GOLDING KIDD <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] data base for witnesses To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 5:22 AM Hi Joseph That sounds a great idea - it's probably quite a simple exercise when set up & ok if a computer wizard ! however for the novice it can be 'stresful' ! Could you maybe let me see a sample off list ? Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C Dorsey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:47 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] data base for witnesses >I am big on databases. *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol Griffiths wrote: > Has anyone come across rellies who although living in Ireland were > born abroad? Im lookng at a PatrIck Sullivan labourer born Bray crca > 1801 who was in the army 1824-1839, serving some time in East Indies > and some at home. Is it possble that a private in the army would have > wife and kids abroad and then on discharging/returning home bring them > with him? Pure speculation on this but looking at IGI and census > returns for eg Sullivans there seems to be a lot born in India. > Equally I suppose it could account for small familes in Ireland if dad > was serving abroad leaving mam and any kds n Ireland. Joan Hopkins replied: > I also have a Wicklow Cuffe who joined a Irish Regiment of British Army in > Co. Louth 1809 and was posted all over the place, children were born various > places and unless they have a detailed obituary it gets hard to trace them. My wife's forebear was with the military for many years during the 1830s to 1850s, travelling the world of English conflict, so to speak. He married a Cork lassie, and from the birthplaces of their extensive progeny, I reckon his wife travelled to many of the theatres he served in. They settled after his military retirement to Woodend outside Melbourne Australia. Frank Whillans, Melbourne

Thanks to all who have shared their thoughts on witnesses. Ive found in UK research that from 1860s marriage certs showng witnesses have been the source of knocking down many a brick wall. Before that it seems people didnt have the luxury of attending weddings and often parish officials were used. Saying that sometimes you do get lucky. A database seems a great idea- I currently re read my certs every now and again hoping I will spot something that means more- not the best way of dong things. Carol

Hi Thanks to all for sharng their experiences of people having kids all over the world due to army. I watched BBC1 who do you thnk you are(uk) last night - Rory Bremner- it explained how up to 1854 the army allowed wives and families to travel with them. On the day the army was due to set sail there would be a lottery and those picked would travel. The wives would work in the army camps, washing cooking etc. I always thought it was only officers etc who took wives with them and never imagined wives of privates would be there, having a pretty tough time by the sounds of it. Carol- off to check out the Indiaman site and to learn more of Spike Milligan and John Sullivan the boxer.

Hi Joseph That sounds a great idea - it's probably quite a simple exercise when set up & ok if a computer wizard ! however for the novice it can be 'stresful' ! Could you maybe let me see a sample off list ? Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C Dorsey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:47 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] data base for witnesses >I am big on databases.

It is most definitely true that Irish members of the British military served in India and had their families with them, perhaps one of the most famous examples being the 'madcap'  comedian Spike Milligan, born in India of Irish parents whilst his father was serving in the British army there. (1919 I think). As many know I'm not particularly knowledgeable about 'things genealogical' but for other reasons I have used this web site (link below), not having used it as a genealogy resource I am merely pointing out that it exists, hoping it may be of use to someone.   http://www.indiaman.com/

Carol, This happened in a Scottish family I research. Both Scots, he in the army posted to India, she on a hiking holiday in India they met there and married in Calcutta, had three kids there, each in a different place, he was posted back to the Highlands in Scotland, they had one more child there. Was fun researching the family. Was lucky that the lady concerned was one who kept photos and data. So, the answer to your question is, yes. And it probably happened all the time. Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol griffiths" <[email protected]> To: "irl-wicklow" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Born in India etc due to Army. > Hi > > Has anyone come across rellies who although living in Ireland were > born abroad? Im lookng at a PatrIck Sullivan labourer born Bray crca > 1801 who was in the army 1824-1839, serving some time in East Indies > and some at home. Is it possble that a private in the army would have > wife and kids abroad and then on discharging/returning home bring them > with him? Pure speculation on this but looking at IGI and census > returns for eg Sullivans there seems to be a lot born in India. > Equally I suppose it could account for small familes in Ireland if dad > was serving abroad leaving mam and any kds n Ireland. > > Its making me wonder whether this could be a common occurance. > > carol > ***************************************

Hi everyone I have been following the messages about witnesses to the Weddings etc with some curiosity of my own as on checking through I seem to have a Few Forde names pop up as witnesses as well as a few Kavanagh/Cavanagh there is also a McDonnel/Mcdonald.......so I am now thinking maybe these link up as I have Forde, McDonell/McDonald in my tree....but how do I link them up? I am still trying to find out some more information on my Lacey Line from Arklow, Wicklow. I have Peter Lacey Married Mary Forde they were married in the R C Church. Witnesses: Thomas Proute & Mary Canavan Peter Lacey's parents are believed to be Thomas Lacey and Mary Anne (no other details known about that). Peter Lacey and Mary Forde went on to have the following children: Thomas Lacey 17 Jan 1837 In Johnstown, Arklow Sponsors to Christening were: Patrick Kennedy / Elizbeth Forde. Matthew Lacey 16 Nov 1839 In Johnstown, Arklow m. Catherine Brien Sponsors to Christening were: Daniel Kavanagh / Teresa Forde Witnesses to wedding were: James Reynolds & Anne Canavan. Peter Lacey 27 May 1842 In Johnstown, Arklow. m. Julia McDonnell/McDonald Found later in Cumbria Mary Anne Lacey 30 Apr 1845 In Johnstown, Arklow. Sponsors to Christening Were: Timothy Hand / Mary Keough John Lacey 1846 in Johnstown, Arklow. Margaret Lacey 12 July 1848 In Johnstown, Arklow Sponsors to Christening were: Matthew Forde / Margaret McDaniel? Should that be McDonall? Bridget Lacey Abt 22nd June 1851 In Arklow, Wicklow. m. Owen Prydderch and found later in Wales Sponsors to Christening were: John MacDonnell / Mary Lawless Alexander Lacey 7 June 1856 In Arklow, Wicklow. Sponsors to Christnening were: Patrick Cavanagh / Mary Lacey. Any information on ANY of these people would be really appreciated as I have hit a brick wall with these for a long time now. Would also love any information on Mary Forde if there is any. Any Graves that may belong to Peter Lacey and Mary would also be appreciated as I have no idea of birth, death etc. Thank you for reading Jeanette

Evening all. While I cannot speak for my Irish family I van say that I have found Brothers , Sisters, Bother-in Law and Sister-in -Law [including some who have not officially connected with the family at the time of the marriage. This part of the Family came from South Shields , Durham England and happened in several generations. Regards to all Peter Collins Cheltenham UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Villalba" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] relation to witnesses I would love to know what > experience others have had in connecting witnesses with the marriage > couple? > Is it fairly normal for the Irish to have brought their own to the > wedding... or is that a more recent custom?

I am big on databases.  When I first started doing genealogy, it became apparent that I would be collecting a lot of information on paper, and in most instances,  it would be from sources that I would need to copy from.  Since I would not be able to make a copy of every source document, I would need a way to retain the information.   While in some instances I would need to retain a copy of an original document, it was going to become impossible to retain all of the paper and keep it organized and easily accessible for reviewing, especially since I was looking at so many names and did not know which was an ancestor or one of their relatives.  That is when I decided upon a database in Excel so I could keep information on everyone with that particular surname.   Also, one can sort the columns any way that was needed.   I have a database for each surname I am researching.  I keep them sorted alphabetically by name and then date.  My columns across are Surname, given name, County in Ireland, date of event, the event ( d. age 60, b. or bapt, in St. Patrick’s, godparents name, etc.) and the source of the information.  Due to the fact that I was collecting so much information on the name Darcy, I changed that particular database to be divided by County, alphabetically, then listed the information across in columns.  Since it is in Excel, it is easy to add another row in a particular county when I find another record.  One of the things I like about using Excel, I can place a border around each family and make it easier to scan when looking for a particular family.    Besides the surnames, and lists of witnesses, I have one for all of the ships I have checked to date for my ancestors coming over, and one that lists grandparents, g. grand parents, 2nd g. grandparents, 3rd, etc. all the way up to my 14th g. grandparents.   Keeping records in order is always a work in progress.  It is necessary so that info can be accessed quickly.  I get irritated with myself if I waste time on something that I already have in my computer.   Joseph --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Mary Villalba <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mary Villalba <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] data base for witnesses To: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 7:12 PM Ah, ha! Setting up a data base for the witnesses is a good idea! I think I'll do the same! thanks, m Mary Villalba AZTEC Communications, LLC (303) 290-8415 Tele Distinguished Past Governor, Rocky Mountain District Kiwanis International "A global organization of volunteers, dedicated to changing the world, one child and one community at a time."

Ah, ha! Setting up a data base for the witnesses is a good idea! I think I'll do the same! thanks, m Mary Villalba AZTEC Communications, LLC (303) 290-8415 Tele Distinguished Past Governor, Rocky Mountain District Kiwanis International "A global organization of volunteers, dedicated to changing the world, one child and one community at a time." -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph C Dorsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:51 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] relation to witnesses > I am glad you asked this question. I recently made a special database in > Excel for witnesses to marriages and godparents at baptisms, to get a > handle on finding out whom these people were and if they were related. . > > At this point it only created more questions about these individuals. One > that got my attention was Catherine Mahar. She was a witness to the > marriage of my g. grandparents, John Darcy of Co Clare and Mary Moran of > Co Kildare, at Notre Dame in Montreal, Quebec, in April 1853. Her name > appeared again in April 1855 as godmother to their son, Patrick, when he > was baptized in Boston, Mass. I have yet been able to find out who she > was. There was a Catherine Mahar listed in Griffiths Evaluation in Co > Kildare near Mary's father, John Moran, years earlier, but I doubt if it > was here. She must have stayed in Boston, as her name never appeared again > after they moved to Texas in 1859. > > The only surname that appeared in the list that was the same as one in my > lineage was Moran. Margaret and Michael Moran were listed as godparents of > John and Mary's first child, Margaret, who was baptized at Notre Dame in > Montreal in 1853. Mary Moran Darcy did not have a sibling named Michael, > so I am wondering if he was a cousin, or, was this just someone they knew > in Montreal who was of Irish origin and had the same surname as Mary’s > maiden name. . > > I called it the "relation to the mysterious witness." > >

I am glad you asked this question.  I recently made a special database in Excel for witnesses to marriages and godparents at baptisms, to get a handle on finding out whom these people were and if they were related.  .   At this point it only created more questions about these individuals. One that got my attention was Catherine Mahar. She was a witness to the marriage of my g. grandparents, John Darcy of Co Clare and Mary Moran of Co Kildare, at Notre Dame in Montreal, Quebec, in April 1853. Her name appeared again in April 1855 as godmother to their son, Patrick, when he was baptized in Boston, Mass. I have yet been able to find out who she was.  There was a Catherine Mahar listed in Griffiths Evaluation in Co Kildare near Mary's father, John Moran, years earlier, but I doubt if it was here.  She must have stayed in Boston, as her name never appeared again after they moved to Texas in 1859.   The only surname that appeared in the list that was the same as one in my lineage was Moran.  Margaret and Michael Moran were listed as godparents of John and Mary's first child, Margaret, who was baptized at Notre Dame in Montreal in 1853. Mary Moran Darcy did not have a sibling named Michael, so I am wondering if he was a cousin, or, was this just someone they knew in Montreal who was of Irish origin and had the same surname as Mary’s maiden name.   .   I called it the "relation to the mysterious witness."   Joseph Sealy, Texas  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Villalba" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] relation to witnesses I would love to know what experience others have had in connecting witnesses with the marriage couple? Is it fairly normal for the Irish to have brought their own to the wedding... or is that a more recent custom?

Hi Carol and others, I have found when researching English parish marriage registers that it depended on the time frame as to whether witnesses were known to the couple or were simply what I refer to as "recurring witnesses", those being people who were affiliated with the church in some role and acted as witnesses on any given day. For instance, in the period of time where marriages were restricted to certain churches (ie Manchester Cathedral), vs the small parish churches, many, many marriages were carried each day and in that case, you would see the same witnesses on each entry for that day. When marriages were allowed again to be done in the parishes, it seemed that, in general, friends or family members signed as witnesses, however, this was not always the case. You would really need to see the registers for one or more days in sequence to tell whether they were likely known to the couple or were paid to act as "recurring" witnesses. That is difficult to do when ordering marriage certificates from the record offices because you only have the one document to compare. <snip> Good luck, Sheila J London, ON CANADA __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

Any of these Sullivans related to the boxer John L. Sullivan?

Carol, I also have a Wicklow Cuffe who joined a Irish Regiment of British Army in Co. Louth 1809 and was posted all over the place, children were born various places and unless they have a detailed obituary it gets hard to trace them. Joan

Hi Has anyone come across rellies who although living in Ireland were born abroad? Im lookng at a PatrIck Sullivan labourer born Bray crca 1801 who was in the army 1824-1839, serving some time in East Indies and some at home. Is it possble that a private in the army would have wife and kids abroad and then on discharging/returning home bring them with him? Pure speculation on this but looking at IGI and census returns for eg Sullivans there seems to be a lot born in India. Equally I suppose it could account for small familes in Ireland if dad was serving abroad leaving mam and any kds n Ireland. Its making me wonder whether this could be a common occurance. carol

Sullivan names in Avoca Co Wicklow SULLIVAN -MURPHY James Sullivan married Eleanor Murphy ( Elenor) Witnesses were Mary Murphy and Sara Whilson ( wilson) 5th August 1792 Parish of Avoca Co Wicklow Ireland child 1-11/5/1795 Edward baptised of James and Eleanor Sullivan Sponsors are Ter. Sullivan and Mary Murry ============================== SULLIVAN -TEMPORLY 8th August 1835 John Sullivan married Mary Ann Temporly witnessed by William Byrne and Jane Byrne 31st August 1836 child 1- Ellen of John and Mary Sullivan sponsors James Sullivan and Catherine Byrne =================================================================== SULLIVAN -GRAHAM 11th February 1838 James Sullivan married Eliza Graham witnessed by Loughlan Byrne and Robert Graham 13th Janaury 1839 child 1- Mary of James and Eliza Sullivan sponsors Robert Graham and Jane earls =================================================================== 22nd January 1837 Catherine of Patrick and Mary Sullivan Sponsors James Sullivan and Catherine Byrne =================================================================== 21st June 1838 James of John and Mary Sullivan sponsors Mathew Sullivan and Jane Byrne ============================================================================================= MARRIAGE SULLIVAN-BYRNE Jospeh Sullivan married Mary Byrne witnessed by Revd T Halpin and Mary Toole 29th August 1829 ================================== MARRIAGE BUTLER -SULLIVAN 29th August 1831 Thomas Butler married Mary Sullivan witnessed by Patrick Hughes and Anne Murray Cannot locate any children in what I have =================================================== MARRIAGE REDMOND SULLIVAN 23rd November 1835 George Redmond married Ellen Sullivan Witnessed by Dan Byrne and Mary Sullivan Child 1- 15th February 1838 James of George Redmond and Ellen Sullivan sponsors were Matthew Sullivan and Bridget Bolger ------------------------------------------------ 19th February 1849 Patrick Sullivan married Margaret Smith witnessed by Thomas and Maria Butler ( transcribed from Original parish register by Cara) Not for me to prove but for you to check out Cheers Cara

SAUNDERS At her residence 57 Leinster Road~ Rathmines~on the 22nd ultimo, Jane, relict of Lieut. General John Stratford Saunders, Golden Fort County Wicklow, and last surviving sister of the late Rev. Mark Bloxham, Glenone~County Derry, aged 59 years. 6th December 1862 Coleraine Chronicles

9/7/1791 Martin Connor married Mary Keogh Witnessed by Francis Dempsey and Christian Dempsey Child 1- 28/2/1793 Baptised Rose Sponsors James Henegan ( Hagan) ? Dempsey 20th August 1791 Loughlin Loughlin married Mary Carroll witnessed by Ben Manifold and James Dixon Child 1- Arthur baptised 16/1/1793 sponsored by Thomas Toole and Mary Loughlin 23rd October 1791 Thomas Lewin married Catherine Byrne witnesses Thomas Lewins and Laurence Farrell Child 1-29th July 1792-Thomas of Thomas and Catherine Lewins Sponsors Laurence Farrell and Nancy Doyle 19th January 1792 Michael Doyle married Mary Roach witnessed Hugh Cullen and Michael Rossiter Child 1-Eleonor baptised 10/10/1795 of Michael and Mary DOyle Sponsors were Michael Rossiter and Judith Byrne 15th September 1792 Edward Carty married Ann Byrne witnessed by George Rossiter and Hester Byrne Child 1-baptised Eliz of Ed and Anne Carty 8/8/1794 Sponsors were James Arthur and Mary Byrne Child 2- Baptised Rose of Edward and Ann Carty 19/10/1801 Sponsors were Owin Carty and Jane Byrne Not for me to prove but for you to check out yourselves. Cheers Cara

Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 50 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John NILES M 60 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Ann NILES M 60 F Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Ore Miner Wife John NILES U 19 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Ellen NILES U 19 F Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Servt Thos BRENNAN U 24 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland ================================== Dwelling: Bowscar Lodge Census Place: Penrith, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342241 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5142 Folio 100 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert BYERS M 36 M Ainstable, Cumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Gardener (Dom) Jane BYERS M 24 F Cy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife ==================================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 50 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Annie BRYAN W 58 F Tiperary, Ireland Rel: Head William BRYAN U 28 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Carter ==================================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 52 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert FARRELL M 50 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Margaret FARRELL M 50 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Margaret FARRELL U 14 F Wicklow, Ireland =================================== Dwelling: 7 Sellys Terrace Census Place: Hensingham, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342252 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5189 Folio 63 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Daniel BYRNE M 50 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Mary A.E. BYRNE M 40 F York, York, England Rel: Wife Occ: Formerly Laundress M.E. BYRNE U 17 F Woolwich, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Formerly Housemaid John G. BYRNE U 14 M Woolwich, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Miner (Iron) Robert J. BYRNE 9 M Lincoln, Lincoln, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Bertram D. BYRNE 6 M Lincoln, Lincoln, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William A. BYRNE 3 M Lincoln, Lincoln, England Rel: Son Lucy G. BYRNE 7 m F Hensingham, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur ========================== Dwelling: Census Place: Hensingham, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342252 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5189 Folio 77 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James CAIRNS M 37 M Wicklow Co, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Mary A. CAIRNS M 32 F Down Co, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Ore Miners Wife John CAIRNS 7 M Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar James CAIRNS 5 M Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary Ellen CAIRNS 9 F Egremont, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Catherine WHITE U 36 F Down Co, Ireland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Factory Hand (Flax) =========================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 49 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Bernd. CARTEY M 36 M Avoca, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Sarah CARTEY M 34 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Myles CARTEY 5 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas CARTEY 4 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Mary CARTEY 2 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur John CARTEY 1 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son ================================================== Dwelling: Shop Lapstone Rd Census Place: Millom, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342253 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5197 Folio 7 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Lucy KAVANAGH U 44 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Julia KAVANAGH U 33 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Sister Occ: Grocer Assistant John THOMAS U 21 M Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Shipbuilder Mary HAYES U 23 F St Helens, Lancashire, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Schoolmistress ------------------------------------------------- Dwelling: Main St Census Place: Hensingham, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342252 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5189 Folio 60 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CLARKE M 36 M Flimby, Cumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Mary CLARKE M 33 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife William CLARKE 9 M Ulverston Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Timothy CLARKE 3 M Cleator Moor, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Mary A. CLARKE 10 m F Hensingham, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur ------------------------------------------- Dwelling: Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 114 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Michael COURTENEY M 78 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Lead Miner Rosanna COURTENEY M 80 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Lead Miners Wife ------------------------- Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 48 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles COWAN M 35 M Holywood, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Julia COWAN M 40 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Mary A. COWAN 13 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Margaret COWAN 11 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James COWAN 9 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas COWAN 7 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Julia A. COWAN 5 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Charles COWAN 3 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Henry COWAN 9 m M Cumberland, England Rel: Son ============================== Dwelling: Census Place: Hensingham, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342252 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5189 Folio 76 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CULLEN M 34 M Cc Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Miner Stover (Iron) Mary Jane CULLEN M 35 F Down Co, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Miner Wife ================================= Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 48 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles COWAN M 35 M Holywood, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Julia COWAN M 40 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Mary A. COWAN 13 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Margaret COWAN 11 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James COWAN 9 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas COWAN 7 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Julia A. COWAN 5 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Charles COWAN 3 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Henry COWAN 9 m M Cumberland, England Rel: Son ===================================== Dwelling: George Street Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 70 Page 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Silverster DAVIS M 56 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Bridget DAVIS M 47 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife ==================================== Dwelling: Dyke Nook Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 66 Page 37 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Sarah DONNOLLY M 50 F Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Michl DONNOLLY 30 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Thomas DONNOLLY 25 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Ann DONNOLLY U 22 F Wicklow Rel: Daur James DONNOLLY U 17 M Wicklow Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Owen DONNOLLY U 14 M Wicklow Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Marselles DONNOLLY U 12 M Wicklow Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Catherine DONNOLLY U 9 F Wicklow Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar ================================== Dwelling: Newsheild Census Place: Alston, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342241 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5140 Folio 62 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Matthew FENWICK W 51 M Greystead, Northumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Road Surveyor Mary J. FENWICK U 29 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: House Keeper Margaret A. FENWICK U 27 F Alston, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker Frances S. FENWICK U 21 F Alston, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Domestic Servant Matthew E. FENWICK U 18 M Alston, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Road Laborer Elenor FENWICK U 16 F Alston, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Nurse Arthur N. FENWICK U 3 M Alston, Cumberland, England Rel: Grandson Florence N. FENWICK U 1 F Alston, Cumberland, England Rel: Grand Daur ======================= Dwelling: Steele Bank Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 109 Page 38 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John FLEMING M 52 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Bridget FLEMING M 44 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Ellen RONEY M 22 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Iron Miner William FLEMING U 20 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Miner Kate FLEMING U 18 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Dau Occ: Iron Miner Dau Michael FLEMING U 16 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son John FLEMING 14 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Miner Hugh FLEMING 10 M Cleator, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary Ann FLEMING 6 F Cleator, Cumberland, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Thomas FLEMING 3 M Frizington, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Infant ========================= Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 48 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James TOOLE M 35 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Mary TOOLE M 35 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Ann Maria TOOLE 13 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Lizzie TOOLE 10 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Ellen TOOLE 4 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Fitt LAUGHLIN 30 M Antrim, Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Iron Miner Mick FLINN 25 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Iron Miner ======================================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 50 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizth. FOLEY U 55 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head John FOLEY U 33 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner ============================= Dwelling: Tickels Lane 15 Census Place: Wigton, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342246 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5164 Folio 43 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William HAGAN M 59 M Hackestown Co Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Labourer (General) Mary HAGAN 59 F Wigton, Cumberland, England Rel: Wife Occ: Hawker ======================================== Dwelling: Yeathouse Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 60 Page 25 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles HAILE M 40 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Catherine HAILE M 40 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Thos. MULHOLAND U 20 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Stepson ==================================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 48 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Michael HEFFRON M 29 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Mary HEFFRON M 24 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Mary HEFFRON 7 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Margaret A. HEFFRON 5 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William HEFFRON 3 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Susan HEFFRON 2 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur John HEFFRON 1 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son ================================== Dwelling: Row Moor Census Place: Dearham, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5181 Folio 63 Page 34 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Maria JOHNSTON M 32 F Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Head John JOHNSTON 14 M Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Ag Lab Ann JOHNSTON 12 F Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary Ellen JOHNSTON 9 F Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James JOHNSTON 6 M Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth JOHNSTON 4 F Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Jane JOHNSTON 2 m F Dearham, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur John JONES W 74 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Father ================================== Dwelling: 6 Bardy Lane Census Place: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342251 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5185 Folio 76 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John FITZSIMONS M 59 M Down County, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Cooper Isabella FITZSIMONS M 58 F Down County, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Housewife Francis FITZSIMONS U 17 M Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Tailor David KELLY U 32 M Wicklow County, Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Mason's Labourer Thomas CONNAR W 48 M Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Coal Miner Patrick FLINN 9 M Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Rel: Nephew Occ: Scholar ============================ Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 49 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Hugh KENNEDY M 36 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Catherine KENNEDY M 37 F Wrexford, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife Sarah KENNEDY 5 F England Rel: Daur Catherine KENNEDY 3 F England Rel: Daur Christopher DOYLE U 40 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Iron Miner ================================ Dwelling: Dyke Nook Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 66 Page 37 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Jas. GRAHAM M 47 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: ND Gardener Mary GRAHAM M 46 F Dublin Rel: Wife James GRAHAM U 21 M Northumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Eliza GRAHAM U 15 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Servt Terrance GRAHAM U 13 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jane GRAHAM U 11 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Frank GRAHAM U 8 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Rose Ann GRAHAM U 4 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Magaret GRAHAM U 17 m F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Luke KENNA W 60 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Iron Mines =========================== Dwelling: Yeathouse Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 60 Page 25 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Margaret LAWLER W 39 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wid (Head) Ann LAWLER 12 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary LAWLER 2 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Daur ==================================== Dwelling: George Street Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 67 Page 39 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ann NAVIN W 44 F Ireland Rel: Head John NAVIN 12 M Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Esther NAVIN 8 F Ireland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Mary A. NAVIN 4 F Ireland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Dorothy LAUGHLIN W 67 F Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Mother ================================== Dwelling: George Street Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 66 Page 38 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas MC MANNUS M 21 M Wicklow Co, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Mary MC MANNUS 27 F Antrim Co, Ireland Rel: Wife George MC MANNUS 7 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary L. MC MANNUS 5 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Patrick MC MANNUS 2 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Annie MC MANNUS 1 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Timothy DONOVAN U 27 M Newport, Monmouth, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Certificated Teacher School ============================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 53 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MORTAN M 37 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Ellen MORTAN M 40 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Andrew MORTAN 10 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sarah MORTAN 8 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John MORTAN 6 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar ============================== Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 50 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MURPHY M 38 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Cather. MURPHY M 29 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Mary A. MURPHY 3 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Patrick MURPHY 11 m M Cumberland, England Rel: Son --------------------------- Dwelling: Yeathouse Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 60 Page 25 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John NOLAN M 31 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Bridget NOLAN M 28 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Elizth. NOLAN 6 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar A. Lake NOLAN 5 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar ----------------------------------------- Dwelling: Harris Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 48 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John POTTS M 32 M Rel: Head Occ: Iron Miner Mary POTTS M 23 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Iron Miner Wife John POTTS 7 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary A. POTTS 5 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Eliza POTTS 3 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William POTTS 2 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie POTTS 2 m F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur ======================== Dwelling: Primitive Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 58 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Catherine POWERS W 48 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Mary A. POWERS U 21 F Cleator Moor Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker John POWERS U 20 M Cleator Moor Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner --------------------------------------------- Dwelling: Scamblers Villa Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 56 Page 17 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas TOOLE M 40 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Ellen TOOLE M 30 F Wrexfd, Ireland Rel: Wife Michael TOOLE 16 m M Arlecdon Rel: Son ------------------------------- Dwelling: Jane Street Census Place: Arlecdon, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342250 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5183 Folio 71 Page 47 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Martin DOYLE M 36 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Jane DOYLE M 37 F Ireland Rel: Wife Catherine DOYLE U 12 F Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Michael DOYLE 10 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Christopher DOYLE 7 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie DOYLE 4 F Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Martin DOYLE 1 M Cumberland, England Rel: Son Michael TRACEY U 34 M Coy Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Border Occ: Iron Mines =============================== Dwelling: Goosebuts Census Place: Hensingham, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342252 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5190 Folio 7 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas TYNAN M 55 M Dublin, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Ore Miner Catherine TYNAN M 51 F Wicklow Co Seven Churches, Ireland Rel: Wife Elizabeth TYNAN U 26 F Goosebuts, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Domestic Servant Martin TYNAN U 21 M Goosebuts, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Iron Ore Miner Ellen TYNAN U 20 F Goosebuts, Cumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Domestic Servant Thomas TYNAN U 16 M Goosebuts, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar James TYNAN U 12 M Goosebuts, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John TYNAN U 10 M Goosebuts, Cumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar ================================ Dwelling: Old Vicarage Census Place: Hesket In Forest, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342242 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5147 Folio 45 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Peter VICKERS M 64 M Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Alicia Annie VICKERS M 63 F Dublin, Ireland Rel: Wife Joyce Leeson VICKERS U 37 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Dau Margaret MC CULLOGER U 28 F Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Serv Domestic Eliza GIBSON 16 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Serv Occ: Serv Domestic George COOK 16 M Portsmouth Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv (Indoor) Emma COOK M 53 F Portsmouth Rel: Serv Occ: Serv Domestic =================================== Dwelling: 3 West Strand Foresters Arms Census Place: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342251 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5185 Folio 52 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William ATKINSON U 23 M Gillsland, Cumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Publican Sam ATKINSON U 19 M Kingston, Cumberland, England Rel: Brother Occ: Brickmaker David ATKINSON U 17 M Carlisle, Cumberland, England Rel: Brother Occ: Brickmaker Ellen ATKINSON U 8 F Carlisle, Cumberland, England Rel: Sister Occ: Scholar Elizabeth WOODBURN U 20 F Wicklow, Ireland Rel: Ser Occ: Gen Dom Servant Mary CUREVEN U 27 F Moor Row, Cumberland, England Rel: Ser Occ: Housewife Dom Ser ======================== Cheers Cara