Seeking information about JOHN JOSEPH DOYLE (b. 1888 Conary, Wicklow)who moved to Windermere, England in the late 1930's. His wife MARGARET (nee KINSELLA) and children John Joseph, Theresa and Anthony accompanied him. The family were quite poor and devout Roman Catholics. I have heard that their eldest son - JOHN (my father) was sent to a seminary to study for the priesthood, but ran away. Margaret DOYLE died in 1946 and John remarried in 1948. His new wife was ELLEN FRANCES GODSMARK. It is thought that John and Ellen returned to Ireland (his children remained in England) where the marriage may have broken down. He supposedly remarried and possibly had 2 daughters. He may have died in the late 1980's. I am hoping to confirm the last paragraph as at this point, it is only hearsay. Thanks, Pauline Hall

Seeking information about JOHN JOSEPH DOYLE (b. 1888 Conary, Wicklow)who moved to Windermere, England in the late 1930's. His wife MARGARET (nee KINSELLA) and children John Joseph, Theresa and Anthony accompanied him. The family were quite poor and devout Roman Catholics. I have heard that their eldest son - JOHN (my father) was sent to a seminary to study for the priesthood, but ran away. Margaret DOYLE died in 1946 and John remarried in 1948. His new wife was ELLEN FRANCES GODSMARK. It is thought that John and Ellen returned to Ireland (his children remained in England) where the marriage may have broken down. He supposedly remarried and possibly had 2 daughters. He may have died in the late 1980's. I am hoping to confirm the last paragraph as at this point, it is only hearsay. Thanks, Pauline

Where is Conary, Wicklow (can't find it on a map) ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Hall" <[email protected]>

Great when things tie in. It makes interesting reading. Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kehoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Valuation for Poor Rates > Many thanks Joyce, this also identifies Daniel's father as the surveyor in > my posting of the 2nd April. > http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/view?did=c1:94936&p=562 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Daniel Johnson and Priscilla Russell > > >> Hi Frank >> I had a couple of hours to spare today and wanted to do a bit of >> searching >> for myself, so took a look at the two marriages. >> >> Yes, Daniel is one and the same, and this is what I found. >> >> Castlemacadam 4th July 1854 >> Daniel Johnson, full age, bachelor, Surveyor, Ballinacarrig, His father, >> Edward Johnson, Surveyor. >> to >> Priscilla Russell, full age, spinster, Parknashaw, Her Father, Francis >> Russell, Farmer. >> Both signed. Witnesses - Richd. Tuke and Fran. Russell (Could be >> F.W.Russell) Marriage by Licence. >> >> Glenealy 14th June 1866 >> Daniel Johnson, full age, widower, Auctioneer, Ballinacarrig. His father >> Edward Johnson, Surveyor >> to >> Mary Manning, full age, spinster, Glasnarget, Her Father: Robert Manning, >> Farmer. >> Both Signed. Witnesses - Bernard Manning, George Manning. Marriage by >> Licence. >> >> Also noted at Castlemacadam (which might be of interest) 15 Dec. 1868 >> William Johnson, full age, bachelor, Farmer, Avoca, His father, John >> Johnson, farmer >> to >> Ellen Russell, minor 19 yrs, spinster, Parknashaw, Her father, Francis >> Russell, Farmer. >> Both signed. Witnesses Fran..Russell (Could be F.W.Russell) and William >> Tuke. Marriage by Licence. >> >> Hope this helps. >> Best wishes >> Joyce >> >> >> >>> Many thanks for your email. I will order the civil record certs soon >>> (which >>> will have parents names) unless I receive the info from other sources >>> beforehand - it takes two to three weeks to get the records from >>> Roscommon. >>> A search on the List Archives gave the 1866 marriage at Glenealy Church >>> and >>> the bride's father as Robert Manning of Avonbank. >>> I have a connection to Mary-Anne Manning through the Bestall/Mannings of >>> Redcross and as I also have connections to the Ruskell/Johnsons of >>> Castlemacadam, it would be nice to see where it all ties together. >>> >>> >> >> *************************************** >> 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer >> >> 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Joyce, this also identifies Daniel's father as the surveyor in my posting of the 2nd April. http://www.eppi.ac.uk/eppi/digbib/view?did=c1:94936&p=562 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Daniel Johnson and Priscilla Russell > Hi Frank > I had a couple of hours to spare today and wanted to do a bit of searching > for myself, so took a look at the two marriages. > > Yes, Daniel is one and the same, and this is what I found. > > Castlemacadam 4th July 1854 > Daniel Johnson, full age, bachelor, Surveyor, Ballinacarrig, His father, > Edward Johnson, Surveyor. > to > Priscilla Russell, full age, spinster, Parknashaw, Her Father, Francis > Russell, Farmer. > Both signed. Witnesses - Richd. Tuke and Fran. Russell (Could be > F.W.Russell) Marriage by Licence. > > Glenealy 14th June 1866 > Daniel Johnson, full age, widower, Auctioneer, Ballinacarrig. His father > Edward Johnson, Surveyor > to > Mary Manning, full age, spinster, Glasnarget, Her Father: Robert Manning, > Farmer. > Both Signed. Witnesses - Bernard Manning, George Manning. Marriage by > Licence. > > Also noted at Castlemacadam (which might be of interest) 15 Dec. 1868 > William Johnson, full age, bachelor, Farmer, Avoca, His father, John > Johnson, farmer > to > Ellen Russell, minor 19 yrs, spinster, Parknashaw, Her father, Francis > Russell, Farmer. > Both signed. Witnesses Fran..Russell (Could be F.W.Russell) and William > Tuke. Marriage by Licence. > > Hope this helps. > Best wishes > Joyce > > > >> Many thanks for your email. I will order the civil record certs soon >> (which >> will have parents names) unless I receive the info from other sources >> beforehand - it takes two to three weeks to get the records from >> Roscommon. >> A search on the List Archives gave the 1866 marriage at Glenealy Church >> and >> the bride's father as Robert Manning of Avonbank. >> I have a connection to Mary-Anne Manning through the Bestall/Mannings of >> Redcross and as I also have connections to the Ruskell/Johnsons of >> Castlemacadam, it would be nice to see where it all ties together. >> >> > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

replying to recent emails on Daniel Johnson Last year I received a email from "Eugene Byrne" who advised me" that in Wicklow Newsletter dated 16th June 1866 Marriage Notice. On 14th June at the parish church Glenealy, by the Rev. Samuel Clarke, Daniel Johnson Esq.of Ballinacarrig to Mary, second daughter of the late Robert Manning Esq. of Avonbank, Rathdrum. . MARIANNE MANNING (ROBERT) was born Nov 1839 in Templelyon Co Wicklow Ireland. She married DANIEL JOHNSON 14 Jun 1866 in Glenealy Church of Ireland Co Wicklow Ireland. Baptised: 17 Nov 1839, Templelyon Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland Clergy man: 1839, F Foot More About DANIEL JOHNSON: Abode: 1866, Ballinacarrig ~Dunganstown Civil Parish Co Wicklow Ireland Children of MARIANNE MANNING and DANIEL JOHNSON are: i. EDWARD WILLIAM3 JOHNSON, b. 25 May 1867, Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland. ii. FLORENCE ELIZABETH JOHNSON, b. 11 Feb 1869, Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland. iii. ELIZABETH JOHNSON, b. 28 Jul 1870, Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland. iv. GERTRUDE MARY JOHNSON, b. 27 Sep 1871, Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland. v. HENRY WHYTE JOHNSON, b. 08 Apr 1873, Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland. Hi Dave I came across a Headstone at Calary for Sophia wife of William Keegan. She was the daughter of Robert Manning and Mary nee Saul of Avon Bank, Rathdrum. Do you need details and/or a photo of the Headstone which is a pretty impressive one? Cheers Joyce (Tunstead) Joyce Yes please Regards Dave

I am searching for the birth/baptism of ELIZABETH ANN BARRINGTON, dr. of a JAMES BARRINGTON, Labourer. She was born about 1839. According to 1901 Census she was born in Co. Wexford, and in the 1911 it states she was born in Co. Wicklow, so perhaps somewhere near the border of the two counties. Hope someone can help with this. Joyce

Hi Frank I had a couple of hours to spare today and wanted to do a bit of searching for myself, so took a look at the two marriages. Yes, Daniel is one and the same, and this is what I found. Castlemacadam 4th July 1854 Daniel Johnson, full age, bachelor, Surveyor, Ballinacarrig, His father, Edward Johnson, Surveyor. to Priscilla Russell, full age, spinster, Parknashaw, Her Father, Francis Russell, Farmer. Both signed. Witnesses - Richd. Tuke and Fran. Russell (Could be F.W.Russell) Marriage by Licence. Glenealy 14th June 1866 Daniel Johnson, full age, widower, Auctioneer, Ballinacarrig. His father Edward Johnson, Surveyor to Mary Manning, full age, spinster, Glasnarget, Her Father: Robert Manning, Farmer. Both Signed. Witnesses - Bernard Manning, George Manning. Marriage by Licence. Also noted at Castlemacadam (which might be of interest) 15 Dec. 1868 William Johnson, full age, bachelor, Farmer, Avoca, His father, John Johnson, farmer to Ellen Russell, minor 19 yrs, spinster, Parknashaw, Her father, Francis Russell, Farmer. Both signed. Witnesses Fran..Russell (Could be F.W.Russell) and William Tuke. Marriage by Licence. Hope this helps. Best wishes Joyce > Many thanks for your email. I will order the civil record certs soon > (which > will have parents names) unless I receive the info from other sources > beforehand - it takes two to three weeks to get the records from > Roscommon. > A search on the List Archives gave the 1866 marriage at Glenealy Church > and > the bride's father as Robert Manning of Avonbank. > I have a connection to Mary-Anne Manning through the Bestall/Mannings of > Redcross and as I also have connections to the Ruskell/Johnsons of > Castlemacadam, it would be nice to see where it all ties together. > >

I've been going back into my research and thought I would put this out there again, only this time with a little more information. I'm still researching my great grandfather, James Francis Farrell who's naturalization papers claims he was born in Coolkenna, Shillelagh, Wicklow. The date is July 20, 1864, I think. It looks as if he may have written over the July or another month and wrote over it with July. The 1864 is on his headstone in Massachusetts. His parents on his first marriage certificate is Timothy Farrell and Eliza Hickey. They were married January 17, 1858, from Kilquiggan. It was witnessed by William McGrath and Mary Connolly. They had already had a child, Mary who was born before they were married in Nov. 1857 from Kilquiggan, this was witnessed by Mary Shea. The next child born was Patrick, born April 8, 1859 from Coolkenna, Witnessed by Mark Shea and Mary Connolly. Feb. 3rd, 1860 William was born, from Coolkenna, witnessed by James Farrell & Sarah Hickey. William Farrell married Margaret Rooney on August 27th, 1923. July 26th, 1864 Eliza was born, but this was her christening date, (she may have been born on the 20th of July 1864 the same day as my great grandfather), from Coolkenna, witnessed by Thomas Hickey and Julia Boyle. My great grandfathers second marriage certificate said his father was Denis R. Farrell and Eliza Hickey. Different father, same mother. Do any of these names ring a bell with anyone on the list, and or does anyone have any information on this family. Thanks in advance. Alyce Herrera

Ballynultagh is up a side street from Shillalegh is the best way for me to describe it, and if one is researching the Fitzwilliam Clearance people you will need lots of time and patience. Why do I say this, well there are more side roads and bye roads, tracks and cross tracks than you could imagine in this area, having spent 5 months in the area doing heaps of writing I can tell you its not an easy little place to tour round, but it is worth the getting lost within its side and by roads and enjoying it all. Cara's thoughts no one else taqken from her diary of many moons gone by The area was in fact in the Fitzwilliams time a very Protestant area, where land belonged to folk Like the Twamleys, who at the time I was researching, who indeed gave me a wonderful insight into how both religions functioned within the area. The Police Barracks was in those times in Crab Apple Lane and by the way is Barbara another researcher of this area - is Barabara alright and has anyone heard from her of late? Now there are two grave yards up Crab Apple Lane you pass the modern Aghold and you think no good looking there no headstones, but they have at sometime been flattened, and you will need to carry a probe and a knife to cut the matting of grass from around the stone, and when you have finished doing this please be kind enough to roll the grass back it appears to be preserving the stones. Then you continue on down this lane ( remember this little black duck cannot read a map) for what seems like a dead end until you come to a cross road, but when you come to this cross road you have gone too far, see what I mean, so on your way down to this cross road you need to be watching on your right for a hidden sign that says Aghowle, and turn down this lane, mind you close all gates going in and out - always leave as you find, and you will not annoy the locals, in Aghowle is both religions buried. everyone who is doing Fitzies clearances would need to check both these graveyards. (Side entry)Oh my goodness I hope that tractor is smaller than it looks cos its a narrow road we are on Then as we return down past modern but old Aghold, there is a cross road and you then cross this to find the modern grave yards of this area. Lots of people in the Fitzwilliam times would not have had headstones..........there are hardly any parish registers to be found and when you do find them there is hardly any records. I also had noted how many of these people died on the road to leaving Ireland ( I hate to think on that one) Also in a side note* I wonder how many of these people were buried elsewhere and not directly within this area? Interesting I didnt know this today I note this in this journal William Wainright Manager of Wentworth Estates ( Carnew All Saints Church) Also if you are going to be looking at Graveyards you will need to look at at least about 21 in the area .........good exercise. Oh by the way if you want to go to the Yew Tree graveyard you must get permission from the owners he was obliging when we called many moons ago it may have changed hands now. Oh and there is the graveyard that I could not name and if anyone dies laughing here today then so be it. I had the task of asking himself over the phone he was in Ireland what this grave yard was named, I knew where it was, in my head anyway, and he said sorry Fred ( thats me) I dont know where you mean, mind you this was at least 6 years after the trip there, and I said of course you know it, that was the one with the phone box on the corner that super man was working in, well I meant the men from the phone company, as it was freezing and he had no shirt on, see I knew where it was, girls. So we haggled on about it some more until I said theres a school near it --- okay its Crosspatrick now you try finding it from that description. Mullinacuff Old graveyard names Bishop, Bourke, Bourne ,Byrne, Brough, Chapman, Coogan, Cooper, Cundaragh, Donahue, Dowzer, Freany, Harris, Hopkins, Ireland, Kelly, Keoghoe, Leburn,.Leyburn,Manning, Mernaugh, Prendergast, Sumers and oh those Tooles are there also, Tomkins, Wall and Willoughby And in following mails I will give you some more names of the people buried in these graveyards that we have been in and out of, and some I am not even game enough to ask himself what name they are now, these days I have a map that I can use with the graveyards ringed in bright red, I wonder who did that for me? Cheers for now Cara

Cara - this posting on the area around Ballynultagh and associated graveyards is amazing and so much appreciated. Thank you! Sharon Kavanagh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] FITZWILLIAM YET AGAIN > Ballynultagh is up a side street from Shillalegh is the best way for me to > describe it, > and if one is researching the Fitzwilliam Clearance people you will need > lots of time and patience......

Whoops I missed something here sorry Frank Where is Dave Griffith he would know more on the Manning bits n pieces surely Richard Tuke and Francis Russell were the witnesses to the first marriage but I will have to say you will have to take Joyce up on her offer to scan the books for you to see if Daniel was a Widower and Joyce this Martha Parker aka Nosey needs to know as well Cheers Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kehoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] Daniel Johnson and Priscilla Russell >I have a poor quality photocopy of Page 64, Castlemacadam Marriages, Year > 1854. Entry 52 reads; > > Daniel Johnson of Rathdrum Parish and Priscilla Russell of this Parish > were > married in this Church by License with consent of [looks like "parents"] > this Fourth Day of July in the Year one Thousand eight Hundred and fifty > four By me [?] Alex Saunders [Then the couple's signatures] In the > Presence > of: Rich [looks like "Tuke"] and F[squiggle] Russell. > > Does anyone know was this the same Daniel that married Mary-Anne Manning > in > 1866? Any other information on Daniel and/or Priscilla would be > appreciated. > The civil registration index for the 1854 marriage is Rathdrum, vol.9, > page602. > > Thanks for reading this, > > Frank Kehoe > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.35/2124 - Release Date: 05/20/09 06:22:00

Marvellous info Cara - bless your ? memory or skill in keeping notes.. A little more on Yew Tree - a local committee were trying to establish 'right of way' to the grave yard which as you know is located at the top of a field on farmland. This was being done in conjunction with Wicklow Co Co. The Yew Tree I understand has been declared a 'national monument' as a ...bulaun .... (baptismal font) was discovered and some other items - now in the museum I think. You may have record of a few Kidd memorial stones there. By the way I visited the old graveyard in Preban recently but could not find any headstones for Blakes. Is there a Buriel Register record somewhere ? Cheers Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:59 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] FITZWILLIAM YET AGAIN > Ballynultagh is up a side street from Shillalegh is the best way for me to > describe it, > and if one is researching the Fitzwilliam Clearance people you will need > lots of time and patience.

I love your stories Cara, this one really stood out since my ggrandfather claimed on his naturalization papers he was born in Shillalegh. Still looking for those Farrell's, was disappointed in the FHC the other evening. I hadn't been there in years and now that every thing is computerized, trying to find things in the library isn't the same. They want you to use the computers and Ancestry. I like the old microfiche and they use to have a great section on Ireland and could order the film and fiche from Salt Lake City, I guess I'm going to have to go to the National Achieves in San Francisco now. Thanks again for the great story and directions (making another trip back in a few years), it makes you want to close your eyes and dream of days gone by. Alyce Herrera On 5/20/2009 9:59 PM, Cara_Links wrote: > Ballynultagh is up a side street from Shillalegh is the best way for me to > describe it, > and if one is researching the Fitzwilliam Clearance people you will need > lots of time and patience. > > Why do I say this, well there are more side roads and bye roads, tracks and > cross tracks than you could imagine in this area, having spent 5 months in > the area doing heaps of writing I can tell you its not an easy little place > to tour round, but it is worth the getting lost within its side and by roads > and enjoying it all. > > Cara's thoughts no one else taqken from her diary of many moons gone by > > The area was in fact in the Fitzwilliams time a very Protestant area, where > land belonged to folk Like the Twamleys, who at the time I was researching, > who indeed gave me a wonderful insight into how both religions functioned > within the area. > > The Police Barracks was in those times in Crab Apple Lane and by the way is > Barbara another researcher of this area - is Barabara alright and has anyone > heard from her of late? > > > Now there are two grave yards up Crab Apple Lane you pass the modern Aghold > and you think no good looking there no headstones, but they have at > sometime been flattened, and you will need to carry a probe and a knife to > cut the matting of grass from around the stone, and when you have finished > doing this please be kind enough to roll the grass back it appears to be > preserving the stones. > > Then you continue on down this lane ( remember this little black duck > cannot read a map) for what seems like a dead end until you come to a cross > road, but when you come to this cross road you have gone too far, see what I > mean, so on your way down to this cross road you need to be watching on your > right for a hidden sign that says Aghowle, and turn down this lane, mind you > close all gates going in and out - always leave as you find, and you will > not annoy the locals, in Aghowle is both religions buried. everyone who is > doing Fitzies clearances would need to check both these graveyards. > > > (Side entry)Oh my goodness I hope that tractor is smaller than it looks cos > its a narrow road we are on > > > Then as we return down past modern but old Aghold, there is a cross road and > you then cross this to find the modern grave yards of this area. > > Lots of people in the Fitzwilliam times would not have had > headstones..........there are hardly any parish registers to be found and > when you do find them there is hardly any records. > > I also had noted how many of these people died on the road to leaving > Ireland ( I hate to think on that one) > > > Also in a side note* I wonder how many of these people were buried > elsewhere and not directly within this area? > > Interesting I didnt know this today I note this in this journal > > William Wainright Manager of Wentworth Estates ( Carnew All Saints Church) > Also if you are going to be looking at Graveyards you will need to look at > at least about 21 in the area .........good exercise. > > Oh by the way if you want to go to the Yew Tree graveyard you must get > permission from the owners he was obliging when we called many moons ago it > may have changed hands now. > > Oh and there is the graveyard that I could not name and if anyone dies > laughing here today then so be it. > > I had the task of asking himself over the phone he was in Ireland what this > grave yard was named, I knew where it was, in my head anyway, and he said > sorry Fred ( thats me) I dont know where you mean, mind you this was at > least 6 years after the trip there, and I said of course you know it, that > was the one with the phone box on the corner that super man was working in, > well I meant the men from the phone company, as it was freezing and he had > no shirt on, see I knew where it was, girls. > So we haggled on about it some more until I said theres a school near > it --- okay its Crosspatrick now you try finding it from that description. > > > Mullinacuff Old graveyard names > Bishop, Bourke, Bourne ,Byrne, Brough, Chapman, Coogan, Cooper, Cundaragh, > Donahue, Dowzer, Freany, Harris, Hopkins, Ireland, Kelly, Keoghoe, > Leburn,.Leyburn,Manning, Mernaugh, Prendergast, Sumers and oh those Tooles > are there also, Tomkins, Wall and Willoughby > > And in following mails I will give you some more names of the people buried > in these graveyards that we have been in and out of, and some I am not even > game enough to ask himself what name they are now, these days I have a map > that I can use with the graveyards ringed in bright red, I wonder who did > that for me? > > > Cheers for now > > Cara > > > > > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, saw your thread and thought you may be interested in some of my data. I was chatting to my Dad, Joel James (Jim) HIGGINS,(82 years old with a fantastic memory) and he could recall going to Castlemacadam C of I church, where each family had it's own seats and Dad'a pew number was 13. Dad was one of 12 children born to Sydney Patrick HIGGINS 1886-1964 and Ellen nee JOHNSTON 1889-1964, most born at Mill House, Kilcarra, Avoca, Co. Wicklow. Two girls died young, but the rest married (Beck; Lawrence; Carnegie; Ennis; Kendrick; Bower; Dyer; Nichol; & Everett) and I have contact with most of their offspring, as only Dad and two his sisters are still alive. My Dad loves recalling his childhood, so if you have any queries re 1900-1950 in the Avoca area, please let me know, likewise, my Ancestry.com tree is available to view (free of charge); contact me at [email protected] . The Johnson side of my family have been in Wicklow for generations and owned the Avoca store for most of the last century, with Dad and most of the siblings working their at some point in their life. Dad's paternal Grandfather was Captain James HIGGINS 1842-1920, who was brought over from Cornwall, England c 1870, with his wife, Sarah Jane nee Luke 1846-1936, to run the Avoca mines. Captain James became a local JP and they produced 15-17 children. They lived in Tigroney House, Avoca and employed local miners to work the mines. I have a copy of Sarah Jane's obit' that describes life in Avoca during their time there. Also have a group photo of schoolchildren taken at Castlemacadam School c 1924, with most of the children named below the picture, again, just send me an email. I have had some great feedback from rellies, local and sites like this (Cara is an Wicklow data angel), but would alway like to receive some more, as I love this period in my ancestry. Could chat for hours, but must go, but do drop me an email for above info. Jim HIGGINS UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kehoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Daniel Johnson and Priscilla Russell > Hi Joyce, > > Many thanks for your email. I will order the civil record certs soon > (which > will have parents names) unless I receive the info from other sources > beforehand - it takes two to three weeks to get the records from > Roscommon. > A search on the List Archives gave the 1866 marriage at Glenealy Church > and > the bride's father as Robert Manning of Avonbank. > I have a connection to Mary-Anne Manning through the Bestall/Mannings of > Redcross and as I also have connections to the Ruskell/Johnsons of > Castlemacadam, it would be nice to see where it all ties together. > > Kind regards, > > Frank > > The cricket is going very well so far but there's still the Aussies to > face! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Daniel Johnson and Priscilla Russell > > >> Hi Frank >> >> In 1854 the fathers' names should have been recorded. Do you want me to >> take a look at The Castlemacadam records for you? >> >> Also do you know where the Mary-Anne Manning marriage took place in 1866? >> Again the fathers' names should be recorded. >> >> With this information it would help with deciding if "Daniel" was one and >> the same person. >> >> Not sure when I shall next be at R.C.B. Library, but if you need help >> with >> this, please get back to me. Someone else might have the answer without >> consulting the records. >> >> Best wishes >> Joyce >> >> >>>I have a poor quality photocopy of Page 64, Castlemacadam Marriages, Year >>> 1854. Entry 52 reads; >>> >>> Daniel Johnson of Rathdrum Parish and Priscilla Russell of this Parish >>> were >>> married in this Church by License with consent of [looks like "parents"] >>> this Fourth Day of July in the Year one Thousand eight Hundred and fifty >>> four By me [?] Alex Saunders [Then the couple's signatures] In the >>> Presence >>> of: Rich [looks like "Tuke"] and F[squiggle] Russell. >>> >>> Does anyone know was this the same Daniel that married Mary-Anne Manning >>> in >>> 1866? Any other information on Daniel and/or Priscilla would be >>> appreciated. >>> The civil registration index for the 1854 marriage is Rathdrum, vol.9, >>> page602. >>> >>> >> >> *************************************** >> 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer >> >> 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joyce, Many thanks for your email. I will order the civil record certs soon (which will have parents names) unless I receive the info from other sources beforehand - it takes two to three weeks to get the records from Roscommon. A search on the List Archives gave the 1866 marriage at Glenealy Church and the bride's father as Robert Manning of Avonbank. I have a connection to Mary-Anne Manning through the Bestall/Mannings of Redcross and as I also have connections to the Ruskell/Johnsons of Castlemacadam, it would be nice to see where it all ties together. Kind regards, Frank The cricket is going very well so far but there's still the Aussies to face! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] Daniel Johnson and Priscilla Russell > Hi Frank > > In 1854 the fathers' names should have been recorded. Do you want me to > take a look at The Castlemacadam records for you? > > Also do you know where the Mary-Anne Manning marriage took place in 1866? > Again the fathers' names should be recorded. > > With this information it would help with deciding if "Daniel" was one and > the same person. > > Not sure when I shall next be at R.C.B. Library, but if you need help with > this, please get back to me. Someone else might have the answer without > consulting the records. > > Best wishes > Joyce > > >>I have a poor quality photocopy of Page 64, Castlemacadam Marriages, Year >> 1854. Entry 52 reads; >> >> Daniel Johnson of Rathdrum Parish and Priscilla Russell of this Parish >> were >> married in this Church by License with consent of [looks like "parents"] >> this Fourth Day of July in the Year one Thousand eight Hundred and fifty >> four By me [?] Alex Saunders [Then the couple's signatures] In the >> Presence >> of: Rich [looks like "Tuke"] and F[squiggle] Russell. >> >> Does anyone know was this the same Daniel that married Mary-Anne Manning >> in >> 1866? Any other information on Daniel and/or Priscilla would be >> appreciated. >> The civil registration index for the 1854 marriage is Rathdrum, vol.9, >> page602. >> >> > > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Frank In 1854 the fathers' names should have been recorded. Do you want me to take a look at The Castlemacadam records for you? Also do you know where the Mary-Anne Manning marriage took place in 1866? Again the fathers' names should be recorded. With this information it would help with deciding if "Daniel" was one and the same person. Not sure when I shall next be at R.C.B. Library, but if you need help with this, please get back to me. Someone else might have the answer without consulting the records. Best wishes Joyce >I have a poor quality photocopy of Page 64, Castlemacadam Marriages, Year > 1854. Entry 52 reads; > > Daniel Johnson of Rathdrum Parish and Priscilla Russell of this Parish > were > married in this Church by License with consent of [looks like "parents"] > this Fourth Day of July in the Year one Thousand eight Hundred and fifty > four By me [?] Alex Saunders [Then the couple's signatures] In the > Presence > of: Rich [looks like "Tuke"] and F[squiggle] Russell. > > Does anyone know was this the same Daniel that married Mary-Anne Manning > in > 1866? Any other information on Daniel and/or Priscilla would be > appreciated. > The civil registration index for the 1854 marriage is Rathdrum, vol.9, > page602. > >

I have a poor quality photocopy of Page 64, Castlemacadam Marriages, Year 1854. Entry 52 reads; Daniel Johnson of Rathdrum Parish and Priscilla Russell of this Parish were married in this Church by License with consent of [looks like "parents"] this Fourth Day of July in the Year one Thousand eight Hundred and fifty four By me [?] Alex Saunders [Then the couple's signatures] In the Presence of: Rich [looks like "Tuke"] and F[squiggle] Russell. Does anyone know was this the same Daniel that married Mary-Anne Manning in 1866? Any other information on Daniel and/or Priscilla would be appreciated. The civil registration index for the 1854 marriage is Rathdrum, vol.9, page602. Thanks for reading this, Frank Kehoe

Ann and Cara - A while back, Susie Warren (thanks again, Susie) sent me this information on the RC parishes for Ballynultagh townland: <<<Looking at "Tracing your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham Ballynultagh townland in Wicklow would most probably come under the Roman Catholic Register of Clonmore. Other Roman Catholic Parish Register's in the surrounding area and joining Clonmore are follows:- Clonmore Carlow/Wicklow NLI 4198 1813 -1900 Clonegal Carlow/Wicklow NLI 4197 1833 - 1899 Tomacork (Carnew) Wexford/Wicklow NLI 4256 1847-1900 Hacketstown Carlow NLI 4193 1774 - 1880 Rathvilly Carlow NLI 4189 1797 - 1880 Tullow Carlow NLI 4194 1763 - 1899 Ballon & Rathoe Carlow NLI 4189 1782 - 1896>>>>>

Cara I suppose that Timothy Byrne could be related to Mary. I have not yet done any research in Irish records, having concentrated on my known Byrne family, also FW tenants. I'll be exploring the FW papers at NLI this summer. What RC church would be associated with Ballinultagh? I have the Clonegal church history book and there's no mention of that townland. Ann ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01:00 AM Subject: IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 88 Today's Topics: 1. Re: elusive Michael MCGRATH (Cara_Links) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:16:56 +1000 From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] elusive Michael MCGRATH To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original So does this make Timothy Byrne that they were leasing from a relative perhaps her father or brother ? Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] elusive Michael MCGRATH > Hello Cara > > Thank you once again for your input. I can confirm that in the FW McGrath > family that left in 1847, Mary was a Byrne. I did wonder if perhaps > William had another wife who could have been Mary Maher and thus Michael's > mother, but his age within the family doesn't support that theory. > Kitty/Catherine's mother was given as Mary Byrne on her marriage > certificate and the same held true for the other children. Michael was the > 'outsider' - never found with the family in the census or other records. > I'm hoping to find some record of him being a godparent when I get around > to looking up the baptisms of the children of his (possible) siblings. I > have not yet got that far with my McGraths. Michael himself had 11 > children and although I've found quite a few baptisms, no McGrath > sponsors. Michael's son Edward married a Kate Fitzpatrick who was a > grand-daughter of the Tremblays who were connected to the FW family. His > son William's widow married into the same Tremblay > family. > > I'm indeed going to walk the back roads and talk to as many people as will > chat with me in August. Last September when I took my dad to Ireland and > we discovered the Byrne family we are connected to, we did indeed visit > the Gate of Tears. Dad could never tell anyone about it as he got too > emotional, he had me tell them. He couldn't get enough of the photos. > > There is probably a wealth of information here in the Ottawa city archives > which I have not even looked at. There could be something to > confirm/disprove my Michael's relationship to that McGrath family other > than a few marriages to Tremblay descendants. According to Canadian > records he was in between the ages of the two Michael/Mick McGraths from > the FW estate - just to add to the speculation. > > Sadly the family was poor and pretty much anonymous so that makes finding > info other than B-M-D difficult. > > Thanks again for the suggestions. I'll let you know what I find in Dublin > and anywhere else. > > Ann > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:21:45 +1000 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] MCGRATH - MAHER - BYRNE > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > In actual fact their was several McGrath families that emmigrated from > Fitzwilliams estate and in two of those families there is a Mick or a > Michael McGrath > one left with the family you have named in 1847 and the other in 1848. > > > > End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 86 > ****************************************** > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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