Hello, I am trying to solve a puzzle on my grandmother's (Margaret Kinsella) birth. She was born in either Wicklow or Wexford in 1897 or 1899 according to the 1901 and 1911 census records. MARGARET KINSELLA aged 4 on the 1901 census lived at Meetings, Wicklow, Ireland. Her brother Timothy was 5 months (b. 21st November, 1900). On the 1911 census she lived at Rockstown Lower with her parents and her 2 younger brothers and 3 sisters. Her age was given as 12. Her parents were ANDREW and MARGARET (nee DOYLE) KINSELLA and they married on the 17th February 1900 (I have the certificate). Would they have had Margaret before they married or was she born after Timothy and her age completely wrong on the census? Or was she Margaret's illegitimate daughter? I hope someone has some suggestions. Thanks, Pauline

Hi Cara Thank you for the reference. Curious about the prefix 'Mount' There is another Mount St Joseph Roscrea Will do my research but maybe you know the answer. Golding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] LIMERICK CONNECTIONS SOME BURIALS ONLINE FREE >

The records of Mount St Lawrence Cemetery provide a unique insight on the history of Limerick and its citizens for the period 1855-2008. The records contain the names, addresses at time of death, ages, position of the grave and dates of death of all those buried in the cemetery. This information makes them an invaluable resource for those conducting genealogical research on the Limerick area. http://www.limerick.ie/Archives/MountStLawrenceBurialGroundRegisters1855-2008/ Cara

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I have just uploaded the first part for Redford Catholic, in Wicklow County. (150 images) http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ This part was done by Joyce. There will be more to come. Thanks, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives

I enjoyed reading, but it brings up a question. Is it easy, or hard the ascertain the tribal lands of all the septs? Thanx, Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara_Links Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-WICKLOW] PLACE DIVISIONS OF IRELAND Just to confuse you a few crazy but true facts. There are 327 baronies in Ireland and they more or less correspond to the tribal lands held before the coming of the Normans in 1172. Tribal lands of all the septs can be ascertained There are 2,428 civil parishes in ireland and most corresposnd to the Church of Ireland Parishes. Catholic parishes tend to be somewhat fewer but larger but where those civil parishes are situated. On an average a parish consists of around 24 townlands. City parishes consist of a small area. The 60,462 Townlands in Ireland vary in size from a few acres to a few of several thousand acres in moutainous areas. They have been recognized as administrative units by local government since the Ordnance Survey maps were drawn between 1825-1846. The word Bally, which is Irish Baile appears in 7,000 townland names. The Counties of Ireland were iniated in 1210 by King John and were completed in 1605 when Wicklow was named a County. So thats my trivia for today Cheers Cara *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Joyce and Yvonne have completed Redford Cemetery, Greystones. To view go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on Wicklow and Headstones. It is divided into 4 parts. Yvonne said she has taken over 10,000 photos in the last year. I am sure Joyce has too. I stopped counting. That should give you an idea of how many headstone images we have put online. The next one will be Redford Catholic. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives

Just to confuse you a few crazy but true facts. There are 327 baronies in Ireland and they more or less correspond to the tribal lands held before the coming of the Normans in 1172. Tribal lands of all the septs can be ascertained There are 2,428 civil parishes in ireland and most corresposnd to the Church of Ireland Parishes. Catholic parishes tend to be somewhat fewer but larger but where those civil parishes are situated. On an average a parish consists of around 24 townlands. City parishes consist of a small area. The 60,462 Townlands in Ireland vary in size from a few acres to a few of several thousand acres in moutainous areas. They have been recognized as administrative units by local government since the Ordnance Survey maps were drawn between 1825-1846. The word Bally, which is Irish Baile appears in 7,000 townland names. The Counties of Ireland were iniated in 1210 by King John and were completed in 1605 when Wicklow was named a County. So thats my trivia for today Cheers Cara

To protect the innocent the churches will not be named But one on each side of the road show Wayside pulpit sign outside a ? Church Ireland Alcohol is the enemy of manking Poster outside of Church almost opposite Love your Enemies Matt 5-v44 Seen by a close friend of mine Cheers Cara

Dr William Carmichael was born circa 1819 in Dublin and died in Adelaide South Australia - His parents were Andrew Blair Carmichael and Jane Calbeck of Co Wicklow Ireland - It appears he may have been married before he left Ireland as he left behind a daughter Jane Ellen Carmichael who married a John Hayes in around 1868 in Dublin Dr William Richard Carmichael Arrived aboard the Irene to Adelaide in 1854 and then he married Mary Anne Holland who was born in Co Cork Ireland, they married on the 28/5/1856 he was 35 years old and she was 23 years old they wed in the Residence of William Richard Carmichael at Korringa SOuth Australia Children from this union are Hugh Carmichael born 26/6/1863 Tanunda South Australia Andrew Blair Carmichael born 21/3/1866 at Kapunda South Australia Frederic Arthur Moore Carmichael born 8/6/1861 at Tanunda SOuth Australia Wiliam Richard Howard Carmichael born 20/9/1859 Kapunda SOuth Australia Ellen Carmichael born 19/10/1871 at Freeling South Australia Elizabeth Calbeck Carmichael born 28/8/1868 Kapunda SOuth Australia Mary Anne Carmichael born 21/3/1857 at North Kapunda South Australia So anyone have anthing more on the parents of William Richard Carmichael I would be happy to see it. Also would like to know although wrong list what happened to the daughter left behind and why?did first wife die or did they separate? Cheers Cara

More trivia please whenever you have time. Carol On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Cara_Links <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to confuse you a few crazy but true facts. >

Wow!!!! I'll speak to my Great-Aunt to find out more... I know that they also had a son Thomas born in Arklow (my Grandfathers father) and there's a Daniel (jnr obviously!) as well... Don't want to say too much more incase I have it all wrong and send you down the wrong track....! - I will speak to my great aunt first and get back to you (Daniel and Esther would have been her grandparents) 2009/5/26 <[email protected]> > Hi Rachel, > > I have two of Dan and Esther's children: > Michael John was Baptized in the Arklow Church 28 August 1878. Sponsors > were John Doyle and Mary Philips. > Catherine was Baptized in Arklow 28 April 1880. Sponsors were Thomas Tray > and Elizabeth Doyle. > My records stop about the middle of 1880. > I don't have a Marriage record for Daniel and Esther. > Do you know the names of Daniel's siblings? I might be able to take you > back another generation or two. > > Peggy Leonard > p.s. My G.G.Granny was Catherine Doyle. She married in 1826 in Arklow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel DOYLE - married Esther Phillips in Arklow > > Daniel had brother/s who also left Ireland due to Potato Famine... one of > whom is the original Doyle of 'Doyles Seafood Restaurant' in Sydney.... > Not sure if this is helpful or not... > > If anyone else knows of this Daniel DOYLE and/or knows of any relatives in > Ireland still (I am told we still have family there...) I would love to > hear... > > Rachel Doyle :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:53:33 +0100 > From: carol griffiths <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] re Conary > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi > > We visted Conary last year en route to the mottee stone- fabulous views > and > a lovely church and graveyard. > This site may be of interest. > > http://homepage.eircom.net/~conarych/history.htm > > > Carol > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mike Murphy > > Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 3:57 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] DOYLE FAMILY RATHDRUM to WINDERMERE > > > > > > Where is Conary, Wicklow (can't find it on a map) ? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-WICKLOW list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-WICKLOW mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 > ****************************************** > > > **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- R :)

Connorree or Conary same place depends whose doing the writing. Connorree is the name of a district, mine, mountain in Co. Wicklow, overlooking the sea, about three miles from Ovoca or Avoca once again depends on whose doing the writing. A church was built at Conary in 1859 for the benefit of the men who worked in the Cronebane. Tigroney and Connorree Mines. Those employed in Ballygahan and Ballymurtagh attended the parish church in Avoca, on the opposite side of the river. When you look at the Conary Church building of 1859, very little remains with the exception of the Bell which was made in Dublin. Conary mine was started by Joseph Sakeld in the year 1832. These five mines used to give employment to something like 2,000 men, but in 1892 it was written that there was no more than forty hands engaged at Tigroney. Tigroney mine produced Sulphur and Copper, and Silver had been found in Connorree and Cronebane, the latter giving to the church a memento of fathfulness from the miners as written on a Flagon of Silver uses in Avoca church for Holy Communion was the following inscription*The Produce of Cronebane Mines and gift ye gentleman of ye company of ye said mines, to ye Parish Church of Castlemacdam, ASD 1753"- I saw not a sign of this flagon within the NEW church whilst I was researching there. In fact when I queried it I was given a blank stare. Connorree Mine is the most elevated in position standing above Cronebane on the summit of one of the bleakest and most unprotected mountains in the country. It has been idle for some time, now, and all the well to do people have gone elsewhere. * Noted Miners dispersed from Avoca in c1854 going to Cumberland and many coming on here to mines in Australia. Preachers Book dated March 2nd 1892- he complains of the weather and coldness within the church and the none attendance of parishioners then states " Church closed for repairs; with God's help this will be done" great to say the next report said, 7/11/1892:- Church Consecrated and re-opened, Thank God But in the closing of the Church for repairs it wasnt repaired it was re-built. A gentleman named Mr Fuller, the Diocescan Architect, in his report stated 31/3/1892, *After an experience of nearly thirty years, during which time I have carried out Church works, in every county in Ireland, except two, I can say that with the exception of a case in Co Mayo, I never met a worse one than Conary." How do you get to Conary- well through the town of Avoca and past the Roman Catholic church and on up the hill, follow the signs will get you there. And although I can give you more on the area like everything within this area, the focal point is its Church and church hall. One of the most disputed things you will learn about Saint Batholomews Church Conary is that Percy French ( Irish Song Writer) was not married there in the 1890's, and neither was anyone elses ancestors, it wasnt licenced for marriages to begin with, it simply was only a chapel of ease and marriages were not able to be performed there until 1996, but strangely enough, burials could be done from the church as it has a graveyard, Headstones available ( thanks to Daz and others) and also baptisms were performed there. Children baptised there had surnames of * Baptisms in my files 1-Mates ( Father a 2 families ) 2-Tuke ( Father a miner and farmer 2 families) 3-Bury ( Father a Carpenter) 4- Correll ( Father a farmer) 5-Glanville ( Mine Captain) 6-Culbert ) Labourer) 7-Taylor ( Labourer) 8-Tracey ( Timber man in mines at Connorree) 9-Ashford ( Farmer) 10- Booth ( Farmer) 11-Applebey ( Farmer) 12-Robinson ( Rector) 13-Rogers ( Land Steward) 14-Woolmington ( Farmer) 15- Williams ( Farmer) 16-Whitney ( School teacher and Gardener) 17 -Forcuis (Steward) 18-Bradshaw ( Farmer) 19-Wilson - (Teacher) 20-Cross-Farmer 21-Fanning ( Steward) 22-Dorran ( Farmer) 23-Farr- (Farmer) 24-Hudson ( Farmer) Cheers Cara

Thanks for all that info Cara- it was certainly bleak when we got there last June- I have never got so wet so quickly in all my life and then steamed when the sun came out on the track down to Cronebane. Reading your mail brings it all to life. A tough life for those working- and praying- there. Carol On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Cara_Links <[email protected]> wrote: > Connorree or Conary same place depends whose doing the writing. > Connorree is the name of a district, mine, mountain in Co. Wicklow, > overlooking the sea, about three miles from Ovoca or Avoca once again > depends on whose doing the writing. >

Hi Rachel, I have two of Dan and Esther's children: Michael John was Baptized in the Arklow Church 28 August 1878. Sponsors were John Doyle and Mary Philips. Catherine was Baptized in Arklow 28 April 1880. Sponsors were Thomas Tray and Elizabeth Doyle. My records stop about the middle of 1880. I don't have a Marriage record for Daniel and Esther. Do you know the names of Daniel's siblings? I might be able to take you back another generation or two. Peggy Leonard p.s. My G.G.Granny was Catherine Doyle. She married in 1826 in Arklow. Daniel DOYLE - married Esther Phillips in Arklow Daniel had brother/s who also left Ireland due to Potato Famine... one of whom is the original Doyle of 'Doyles Seafood Restaurant' in Sydney.... Not sure if this is helpful or not... If anyone else knows of this Daniel DOYLE and/or knows of any relatives in Ireland still (I am told we still have family there...) I would love to hear... Rachel Doyle :) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:53:33 +0100 From: carol griffiths <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] re Conary To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi We visted Conary last year en route to the mottee stone- fabulous views and a lovely church and graveyard. This site may be of interest. http://homepage.eircom.net/~conarych/history.htm > Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mike Murphy > Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 3:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] DOYLE FAMILY RATHDRUM to WINDERMERE > > > Where is Conary, Wicklow (can't find it on a map) ? > > ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-WICKLOW list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-WICKLOW mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-WICKLOW Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 ****************************************** **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004)

Hang on a minute, just because Rathdrum is mentioned doesnt mean that they were not registered at Rathdrum and still belong to Arklow Rathdrum was the registration district for all this area so dont dismiss the thought they may have Rathdrum attached to their place of birth. By the way also DOYLE are like grains of sand in Ireland many of them available And seeing as I have for 20 years been doing the DOyles of Tasmania, Wicklow, and surrounds I can assure you there are many to go through ....... The Phillips part intrigues me, this name appeared with the Doyles in Tasmania as well as within the are of Arklow and surrounds. Anymore on that name would be of interest to me. Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] DOYLE FAMILY - ARKLOW > Hi Pauline, > > FYI, > My ancestry is ARKLOW (Co. Wicklow) not Rathdrum but if you come across a: > > Daniel DOYLE - married Esther Phillips in Arklow > Moved to South Island, New Zealand 1800s with 6 or 7 children (can > possibly > find out more if you want) > Died (I believe) within 4 -5 years of being in NZ. > Was a Fisherman (or something to do with Fisheries in Arklow). > > Daniel had brother/s who also left Ireland due to Potato Famine... one of > whom is the original Doyle of 'Doyles Seafood Restaurant' in Sydney.... > Not sure if this is helpful or not... > > If anyone else knows of this Daniel DOYLE and/or knows of any relatives in > Ireland still (I am told we still have family there...) I would love to > hear... > > Rachel Doyle :) > *************************************** > 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer > > 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2128 - Release Date: 05/22/09 06:03:00

Hi Pauline, FYI, My ancestry is ARKLOW (Co. Wicklow) not Rathdrum but if you come across a: Daniel DOYLE - married Esther Phillips in Arklow Moved to South Island, New Zealand 1800s with 6 or 7 children (can possibly find out more if you want) Died (I believe) within 4 -5 years of being in NZ. Was a Fisherman (or something to do with Fisheries in Arklow). Daniel had brother/s who also left Ireland due to Potato Famine... one of whom is the original Doyle of 'Doyles Seafood Restaurant' in Sydney.... Not sure if this is helpful or not... If anyone else knows of this Daniel DOYLE and/or knows of any relatives in Ireland still (I am told we still have family there...) I would love to hear... Rachel Doyle :)

Hi We visted Conary last year en route to the mottee stone- fabulous views and a lovely church and graveyard. This site may be of interest. http://homepage.eircom.net/~conarych/history.htm > Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mike Murphy > Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 3:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] DOYLE FAMILY RATHDRUM to WINDERMERE > > > Where is Conary, Wicklow (can't find it on a map) ? > >

There is conary Lower and Upper and they are about 10kilometres south of Rathdrum and 5 km north of avoca. hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mike Murphy Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 3:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-WICKLOW] DOYLE FAMILY RATHDRUM to WINDERMERE Where is Conary, Wicklow (can't find it on a map) ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Hall" <[email protected]> *************************************** 1- Only leave in the body of the mail what is relevant to your answer 2- Change the SUBJECT LINE to suit the body of your own Mail to List. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking information about JOHN JOSEPH DOYLE (b. 1888 Conary, Wicklow) who moved to Windermere, England in the late 1930's. His wife MARGARET (nee KINSELLA) and children John Joseph, Theresa and Anthony accompanied him. Margaret DOYLE died in 1946 and John remarried in 1948. His new wife was ELLEN FRANCES GODSMARK. It is thought that John and Ellen returned to Ireland where the marriage may have broken down. He supposedly remarried and possibly had 2 daughters. He may have died in the late 1980's. Thanks, Pauline Hall