Hi Janet I have an Ellen Harding and Luke Spearin baptising their child Catherine in St Michaels RC church in 1862. I have no idea where she came from, and cant find her after that. I also have a record for an Ellen Harding marriage to Thomas Stier a soldier in the 9th in St Johns COI Limerick City in 1856. His father was Johia Stier and her fther was James Harding. I would love to know more about the families who were in Limerick Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <irl-wexford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-WEXFORD] IRL-WEXFORD Digest, Vol 5, Issue 80 Hi Hilda, Yes, although there was a Norman Harding surname from my research it appears that the Hardings were actually all descended from Giles and his brothers at the time of the Cromwellian War. They may be related somehow to the older Norman group but there is no way to prove that either way. Giles was a white bread baker, and this was a special title. He did not make the ordinary brown bread that most people ate at the time, so he was a little above the brown beread makers. Sounds silly today, but in the trades it meant something back then. Giles had enough money and became quite an Adventurer and traded land certificate several times. There are several entries about him and his family in the Grants. He ended up with land along the Tipperary/Limerick border area around Oola. I can find Giles and his family in the records for London, but there are no records in Ireland after the family immigrated until the early 1800's. I have found that Giles had a son, Ambrose, who lived near Monard on the road to Cullen. Ambrose was also long-lived and didn't die until sometime after 1750. My Mary likely descends from him, but no records to show how. Monard was very close to the Quillinan farm in Soloheadbeg. There is one other Mary Harding from Silvermines who might be the correct Mary as we cannot find a marriage record or a tombstone for her in Silvermines. Could be a marriage was arranged between the family branch in the north and my man. I can't tell which of the brothers or their sons went to Silvermines, but after that I have quite a few records, and I have most Harding records from Tipperary. Please tell me what you know about the Cork branch. I only have a few records. I am dying to know more about them. Looks like c. 1659 we had these Hardings: A Robert Harding held Dromenagh and Crooke in Gaultire in 1659 A Nichodemus Harding held P/O St. Finbarr's in Cork City In Condon & Clangibbon, a Harding held Halbollin Is. [From Giles I am pretty sure.) If you want to contact me directly so we can share what we both have, please do. But please share a bit on the list to attract other Hardings back to the fold. Janet On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, <HildaNic@aol.com> wrote: > > While you are searching in Wexford, you also need to know that there > were some Hardings in the area of Clonmel, Co. Tipperary and those > records would be in Waterford & Lismore diocese. There was also a > small branch in Cork, seemingly Cork City. > > > > Dear Peggy & Janet, > I am descended from the Cork branch of the Hardings. I do have a Richard > Harding, but born is 1859 in Ballycotton, Cork. These Hardings were mostly > involved with the sea: fishermen, naval officers, lighthouse keepers. I > would love to know more about the origin of the Hardings in Ireland - did > they > all descend from the Cromwellian Adverturers? > Looking forward to hearing more on this topic! > Hilda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, I have very few Limerick records except those in the diocese of Cashel & Emly along the Tipp border. You should be able to pick her up in IFHF for Limerick now that you can put in a mother's name for a child. I don't have her in Tipp, so your next best chance after Limerick would be Co. Clare. Janet On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Margaret Spearin <margaretspearin@eircom.net> wrote: > Hi Janet > I have an Ellen Harding and Luke Spearin baptising their child Catherine in > St Michaels RC church in 1862. I have no idea where she came from, and cant > find her after that. I also have a record for an Ellen Harding marriage to > Thomas Stier a soldier in the 9th in St Johns COI Limerick City in 1856. His > father was Johia Stier and her fther was James Harding. > I would love to know more about the families who were in Limerick > > Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <irl-wexford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-WEXFORD] IRL-WEXFORD Digest, Vol 5, Issue 80 > > > Hi Hilda, Yes, although there was a Norman Harding surname from my > research it appears that the Hardings were actually all descended from > Giles and his brothers at the time of the Cromwellian War. They may be > related somehow to the older Norman group but there is no way to prove > that either way. > > Giles was a white bread baker, and this was a special title. He did > not make the ordinary brown bread that most people ate at the time, so > he was a little above the brown beread makers. Sounds silly today, but > in the trades it meant something back then. > Giles had enough money and became quite an Adventurer and traded land > certificate several times. There are several entries about him and his > family in the Grants. > He ended up with land along the Tipperary/Limerick border area around > Oola. I can find Giles and his family in the records for London, but > there are no records in Ireland after the family immigrated until the > early 1800's. I have found that Giles had a son, Ambrose, who lived > near Monard on the road to Cullen. Ambrose was also long-lived and > didn't die until sometime after 1750. My Mary likely descends from > him, but no records to show how. Monard was very close to the > Quillinan farm in Soloheadbeg. > There is one other Mary Harding from Silvermines who might be the > correct Mary as we cannot find a marriage record or a tombstone for > her in Silvermines. Could be a marriage was arranged between the > family branch in the north and my man. > I can't tell which of the brothers or their sons went to Silvermines, > but after that I have quite a few records, and I have most Harding > records from Tipperary. > Please tell me what you know about the Cork branch. I only have a few > records. I am dying to know more about them. > > Looks like c. 1659 we had these Hardings: > > A Robert Harding held Dromenagh and Crooke in Gaultire in 1659 > > A Nichodemus Harding held P/O St. Finbarr's in Cork City > > In Condon & Clangibbon, a Harding held Halbollin Is. [From Giles I am > pretty sure.) > > If you want to contact me directly so we can share what we both have, > please do. But please share a bit on the list to attract other > Hardings back to the fold. > > Janet > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM,  <HildaNic@aol.com> wrote: >> >> While you are searching in Wexford, you also need to know that there >> were some Hardings in the area of Clonmel, Co. Tipperary and those >> records would be in Waterford & Lismore diocese. There was also a >> small branch in Cork, seemingly Cork City. >> >> >> >> Dear Peggy & Janet, >> I am descended from the Cork branch of the Hardings. I do have a Richard >> Harding, but born is 1859 in Ballycotton, Cork. These Hardings were mostly >> involved with the sea: fishermen, naval officers, lighthouse keepers. I >> would love to know more about the origin of the Hardings in Ireland - did >> they >> all descend from the Cromwellian Adverturers? >> Looking forward to hearing more on this topic! >> Hilda >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >