Janet, I have no background on the topic of your reply to Peggy but note your comments about Adventurers in the Cromwell Wars. I would appreciate it greatly if you could give me some references that I may be able to look up to the Adventurers or even soldiers with Cromwell as I have a very distant ancestor of my mother - Willam Handcock of Twyford near Athlone -who may, an unverified source says, may have come with Cromwell's troops or been some such as an "adventurer". He is reputed to have been granted lands in Co Westmeath about the 1640s. Going back that far is not easy from distant NZ where I live. William's descendants are reasonably well documented as in 17th and 18th centuries etc have been mostly traced there as they were fairly prominent. My mother's father came out here in 1862 as a 17 year old lad from a glebe in the now Co Laois where his father was a C of I minister. John D Rose 27 Shipherds Ave Epsom Auckland 1023 NZ -----Original Message----- From: irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Crawford Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 8:00 a.m. To: irl-wexford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WEXFORD] Looking for my gggrandfather & gggrandmother Peggy, I can give you some general information about the Harding family. Murphy is a great Wexford name, but it may be that your Harding family was not really from there, just that he married there and perhaps sailed from there. While you are searching in Wexford, you also need to know that there were some Hardings in the area of Clonmel, Co. Tipperary and those records would be in Waterford & Lismore diocese. There was also a small branch in Cork, seemingly Cork City. The bulk of them, however, were in Co. Limerick around Oola for the most part, in Tipp near Oola, and around Nenagh/Silvermines in the north of Tipp. They start with a family from London who were white bread bakers and who invested as Adventurers during the Cromwellian War. After the war at least 2 brothers and a sister and there children left London and came to Ireland, to Oola, c. 1655. My 2nd Gr-Grandmother was a Harding. I looked through the records I have from Tipperary and can't find your Richard, but I do not have all the Limerick records, nor the Waterford or Cork records, and, for the most part, the Tipp records start too late to perhaps pick up your Richard. Please contact me directly and we will see what else we might be able to determine from what you know. Janet On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:28 PM, teragram4 <mtgenealogy43@gmail.com> wrote: > No I do not know Bridget Murphy's parents or siblings. > Richard & Bridget had 8 children, I believe they were all born in Port Hood > Nova Scotia. > John Harding is mt great grandfather. He married Ellen Doyle from East > Mabou. They had 7 children, Four of the seven came to Boston. John Harding ( > my Grandfather) his brother James, his sister Mary Ellen (married name is > Shaughnessy) and Clara. They all died in the Boston area. > > Peggy in Chandler AZ, previously from Boston Ma. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I looked on my Cromwellian Adventurers cd and could not find William Handcock listed, however, that doesn't mean he was not an Adventurer. Many people pooled their subscriptions and appointed one man to draw land for them. Later the land was divided up among the individual subscribers, some of whose names are still not known. The next step would be to go through the Grants for Ireland and even possible the Inquisitions. Those books can be found in London and in the National Library in Dublin. Even then, if not listed there, he could still be an Adventurer because an enormous amount of trading went on before the draw for land, and after, and all of these trades are not recorded. One might also have been awarded land in one county but ended up with land in a different county after a trade. If your man came to Ireland before the war, he was more likely a merchant or a preacher, not saying he was not an Adventurer also. There were quite a few Irish names on the list of Adventurers as well. Could be your man bought land off an Adventurer. You might try to find The Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland, 1651-1660" by John P. Prendergast on Google books to help you understand the process. Co. Tipperary was special. There were 4 baronies that were distributed amoung the soldiers, but the rest of the county, the best lands, were alloted off to VIP's and Cromwell's favorites, and these are some of the hardest to ferret out. Some of Cromwell's officers ripped off the soldiers when buying their alloted land. There is not a good, complete list of the soldiers who received land in lieu of pay anywhere that I know about. Janet On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:37 AM, John Rose <jdrose@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Janet, I have no background on the topic of your reply to Peggy but note > your comments about Adventurers in the Cromwell Wars. I would appreciate it > greatly if you could give me some references that I may be able to look up > to the Adventurers or even soldiers with Cromwell as I have a very distant > ancestor of my mother - Willam Handcock of Twyford near Athlone -who may, an > unverified source says, may have come with Cromwell's troops or been some > such as an "adventurer".   He is reputed to have been granted lands  in Co > Westmeath about the 1640s. Going back that far is not easy from distant NZ > where  I live. William's descendants are reasonably well documented as in > 17th and 18th centuries etc have been mostly traced there as they were > fairly prominent. My mother's father came out here in 1862 as a 17 year old > lad from a glebe in the now Co Laois where his father was a C of I minister. >  John D Rose 27 Shipherds Ave Epsom Auckland 1023  NZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Crawford > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 8:00 a.m. > To: irl-wexford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-WEXFORD] Looking for my gggrandfather & gggrandmother > > Peggy, I can give you some general information about the Harding > family. Murphy is a great Wexford name, but it may be that your > Harding family was not really from there, just that he married there > and perhaps sailed from there. > While you are searching in Wexford, you also need to know that there > were some Hardings in the area of Clonmel, Co. Tipperary and those > records would be in Waterford & Lismore diocese. There was also a > small branch in Cork, seemingly Cork City. > The bulk of them, however, were in Co. Limerick around Oola for the > most part, in Tipp near Oola, and around Nenagh/Silvermines in the > north of Tipp. They start with a family from London who were white > bread bakers and who invested as Adventurers during the Cromwellian > War. After the war at least 2 brothers and a sister and there children > left London and came to Ireland, to Oola, c. 1655. > My 2nd Gr-Grandmother was a Harding. I looked through the records I > have from Tipperary and can't find your Richard, but I do not have all > the Limerick records, nor the Waterford or Cork records, and, for the > most part, the Tipp records start too late to perhaps pick up your > Richard. > Please contact me directly and we will see what else we might be able > to determine from what you know. > > Janet > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:28 PM, teragram4 <mtgenealogy43@gmail.com> wrote: >> No I do not know Bridget Murphy's parents or siblings. >> Richard & Bridget had 8 children, I believe they were all born in Port > Hood >> Nova Scotia. >> John Harding is mt great grandfather. He married Ellen Doyle from East >> Mabou. They had 7 children, Four of the seven came to Boston. John Harding > ( >> my Grandfather) his brother James, his sister Mary Ellen (married name is >> Shaughnessy) and Clara. They all died in the Boston area. >> >> Peggy in Chandler AZ, previously from Boston Ma. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet, I am very appreciative of your helpful comments-I'll certainly later today look at the book reference on Google you have so kindly supplied . Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Crawford Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2010 6:11 a.m. To: irl-wexford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-WEXFORD] Looking for my gggrandfather & gggrandmother John, I looked on my Cromwellian Adventurers cd and could not find William Handcock listed, however, that doesn't mean he was not an Adventurer. Many people pooled their subscriptions and appointed one man to draw land for them. Later the land was divided up among the individual subscribers, some of whose names are still not known. The next step would be to go through the Grants for Ireland and even possible the Inquisitions. Those books can be found in London and in the National Library in Dublin. Even then, if not listed there, he could still be an Adventurer because an enormous amount of trading went on before the draw for land, and after, and all of these trades are not recorded. One might also have been awarded land in one county but ended up with land in a different county after a trade. If your man came to Ireland before the war, he was more likely a merchant or a preacher, not saying he was not an Adventurer also. There were quite a few Irish names on the list of Adventurers as well. Could be your man bought land off an Adventurer. You might try to find The Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland, 1651-1660" by John P. Prendergast on Google books to help you understand the process. Co. Tipperary was special. There were 4 baronies that were distributed amoung the soldiers, but the rest of the county, the best lands, were alloted off to VIP's and Cromwell's favorites, and these are some of the hardest to ferret out. Some of Cromwell's officers ripped off the soldiers when buying their alloted land. There is not a good, complete list of the soldiers who received land in lieu of pay anywhere that I know about. Janet On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:37 AM, John Rose <jdrose@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Janet, I have no background on the topic of your reply to Peggy but note > your comments about Adventurers in the Cromwell Wars. I would appreciate it > greatly if you could give me some references that I may be able to look up > to the Adventurers or even soldiers with Cromwell as I have a very distant > ancestor of my mother - Willam Handcock of Twyford near Athlone -who may, an > unverified source says, may have come with Cromwell's troops or been some > such as an "adventurer".   He is reputed to have been granted lands  in Co > Westmeath about the 1640s. Going back that far is not easy from distant NZ > where  I live. William's descendants are reasonably well documented as in > 17th and 18th centuries etc have been mostly traced there as they were > fairly prominent. My mother's father came out here in 1862 as a 17 year old > lad from a glebe in the now Co Laois where his father was a C of I minister. >  John D Rose 27 Shipherds Ave Epsom Auckland 1023  NZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Crawford > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 8:00 a.m. > To: irl-wexford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-WEXFORD] Looking for my gggrandfather & gggrandmother > > Peggy, I can give you some general information about the Harding > family. Murphy is a great Wexford name, but it may be that your > Harding family was not really from there, just that he married there > and perhaps sailed from there. > While you are searching in Wexford, you also need to know that there > were some Hardings in the area of Clonmel, Co. Tipperary and those > records would be in Waterford & Lismore diocese. There was also a > small branch in Cork, seemingly Cork City. > The bulk of them, however, were in Co. Limerick around Oola for the > most part, in Tipp near Oola, and around Nenagh/Silvermines in the > north of Tipp. They start with a family from London who were white > bread bakers and who invested as Adventurers during the Cromwellian > War. After the war at least 2 brothers and a sister and there children > left London and came to Ireland, to Oola, c. 1655. > My 2nd Gr-Grandmother was a Harding. I looked through the records I > have from Tipperary and can't find your Richard, but I do not have all > the Limerick records, nor the Waterford or Cork records, and, for the > most part, the Tipp records start too late to perhaps pick up your > Richard. > Please contact me directly and we will see what else we might be able > to determine from what you know. > > Janet > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:28 PM, teragram4 <mtgenealogy43@gmail.com> wrote: >> No I do not know Bridget Murphy's parents or siblings. >> Richard & Bridget had 8 children, I believe they were all born in Port > Hood >> Nova Scotia. >> John Harding is mt great grandfather. He married Ellen Doyle from East >> Mabou. They had 7 children, Four of the seven came to Boston. John Harding > ( >> my Grandfather) his brother James, his sister Mary Ellen (married name is >> Shaughnessy) and Clara. They all died in the Boston area. >> >> Peggy in Chandler AZ, previously from Boston Ma. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message