I have extracted all the Irish indexes for these two names and several variations...from the earliest up to 1920. Birth Marraiges and Deaths. Likewise the British indexes which start much earlier 1837 to 1992 for the same names with usual variations Stringless help is offerred. I'm listening... Josi Seosimhin Ni Eochagain --------------------------------- Check out my newsletters at: http://www.geoghegan18.fsnet.co.uk -----------------------------------