Hi Denis, Sorry it's taken me a while to respond to your message from May! I have heard the story of John Handebo several times now, from researchers of both the HANDEBO name and also the surname HERBERT, which was my ancestral family. There is apparently some question that John's original name was HERBERT, and before or after the sheep-stealing conviction, changed it to HANDEBO. One version of the story is that John was the grandson(?) of one of the noble HERBERT families, i.e. Earl of Pembroke/Montgomery. The story goes that for some reason John's father was disinherited, and had to scour out a living for his family as a poor commoner. John was angry and stole the sheep from his grandfather (or whatever relation) to give to the poor and was caught and punished. In my HERBERT family we have the story that a direct ancestor of my gg-grandfather Patrick HERBERT, was disinherited from his wealthy and noble family for marrying a beautiful, but common and Catholic woman. My Patrick was from the area of Moate/Mount Temple, Westmeath. So... we've been trying to tie the two pieces of the story together - but no luck so far. Have you been in touch with Sue Catterall in Australia. She is also a descendant of John HERBERT/HANDEBO. If not, let me know and I send you her e-mail address. One other interesting piece of trivia - my family came to the Boston, Massachusetts, USA area and Sue's to Australia; a far distance to have the same family legend, don't you think? Sue On 12 May 2001, at 10:24, DL wrote: Hi All My name is Denis Dalziel, from Perth, Western Australia. I've been lurking for a while, and have decided add my list of names in a hope that someone else is researching them. Family (1) John Handebo (convict) sent to Australia on the "Andromeda 2" for sheepstealing in 1830. The main area of this family was Westmeath, he married Sarah Molloy in Dublin in 1811, and atleast some children were born in Kings County and he was caught stealing in Queen County. John's wife Sarah and 4 of their children joined him in NSW in 1836. Family (2) Peter Grimes came to Australia in 1841 on the "Alfred" with wife Emma Gilligan and 18 month old son John. They came from Mullingar, County Westmeath. Peter's parents were William and Ellen Grimes. Emma's parents were Walter and Mary Gilligan(nee Duffy). I would like to hear from anyone researching these families. Regards Densi ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Dear Sandy, Let's see whether we might find something here. My g-g-grandmother was Catherine Gibney, b. 1841 in/around Castlepollard. She married James McCann in 1859 there and had one son, Patrick Joseph, b. 1860, before immigrating in 1863 or 1864 to Chicago via New York. I don't know how long they stayed in New York because their next child was born there (possibly on board the ship). In any case, they were in Chicago by 1865. I have no more info on James. Catherine's parents were Brian Gibney (d. before 1854) and Bridget Ledwidge Gibney (d. after 1854). Catherine had two siblings whom I know of, a brother Patrick (b. circa 1837) and a sister Anna (b. May 5, 1844). I know of no McCormicks in the family and no Margaret Gibney old enough to have had the children you mention, but perhaps you do or someone reading this can make a connection. As far as I know, all the Gibney in my background are from around Castlepollard with records at St. Michael's there. -- Patrick J. McCann, Jr. Dallas, TX CRESCIT SUB PONDERE VIRTUS

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We are looking for information on the parents of Catherine, John, James, Joseph, Margaret, Ellen and William MCCORMICK. They were born from 1834 to 1849. The family immigrated to the US in 1849 and appear in the 1850 Jefferson Co., NY census. The father is Peter Cormic/Cormick/McCormick and the mother is believed to be Margaret Gibney. Peter's father may have been Patrick and his mother Bridget. Any tidbit of information will be greatly appreciated. Sandy Kipp

Alberto.-=-write me in Spanish. I can translate fairly well. Charlotte ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Savaglia <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: [Irl-Westmeath] Memorial Inscription of the dead > Dear Charlote and Elizabeth > > > I read about the tombstones inscriptions many years ago when I went to the > Embassy and they gave me a pamphlet about research resources. I would like > to write you in spanish to give a detail of my research. In english I must > to think first and I only use the worlds I know (without diccionary). It is > terrible and the same is when I read, but when something ring bells on my > mind and I found a world I don't know I check the diccionary. > Concerning the tombstones inscriptions the information I have is the > following: > Westmeath: > > > Almoritia II 556 > Ardnacraney IV 489 > Arnurcher VI 608,VII 121,191 > Athlone St Mary's II 227, 374,557,III170,346,521,IV 135,V 272 > Athine St. Mary VI 162 > Abbey IV 468,494,V 481, VI 160 > Ballinacor Bridge I 245, II 174, III 523 > Bunown IV 489 > Castle Pollanrd IV 494, V 274 > Castletown Geoghegan I 513, II 371, IV 390 VI 163 > Causestown II 232 > Clonlost I 245 > Collinstown V 273 > Drumcree V 112 > Drumreaney IV 489 > Fore I 508, II 373, IV 133,487,VI 410 > Killbeggan VII 191 > Kilkenny West IV 490 > Killaugh I 244 > Killucan IV 465 > Killulagh VII 192 > Kilveilagh I 245 > Lynn V 486 > Mayne V 119 > Mount Dalton Obelisk IV 491 > Mount Temple III 523 > Multifarham I 245, 512,IV 488,VII 276 > Newtown Fortullagh III 524 > Rahugh III 526 > Rathconrath IV 490 > St. Mulchan's II 374 > Templecros VII 5, VI 609 > > Ouch Hard work write all these > I hope it is OK. I wrote many years ago in the mormon family center here in > Buenos Aires, ir is the index for Co. Westmeath > This work was made in 1890 and the first years of the next century and I > never saw this. When I visited Ireland I had no time to do this research > because the Library was closing at 7 pm. > I think it only contain Monumental inscrptions of Irish Sept Chieftan (I > don't know write well this world) and others notable ones.But it is only > what I believe. > It was very nice to copy this, as you see there are only a few pages of the > entries to Co. Westmeath. There are 5 or 6 volumens for the entire Ireland > Nothern part I don't Know). > > Please If you get this books try for my the entries fro Co. Longford: > > Abbeyshrule IV 264 > Ballimahon VI 583 > Rathreagh ( Legan) III 393 > Tashinny I 445, IV 264, 267, 315,444,IV 117,393,VII 137 > > Thanks > Alberto Savaglia Cormack > > PD Why you say eyepotatoe....and you spelled potatoe with that final > E.....great! > The cemetries are really rough going to do the reserach but the only way in > Ireland mainly for Catholics > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte Smith <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: [Irl-Westmeath] Alberto > > > > Alberto: I checked the LDS library catalaogue and it has one called the > report of "Association for Preservationof Memorial of the Dead in Ireland'" > Is this the correct one. It is showing 9 vol beginng about1880. I will > order trhe film and copy if this is the right one. there is one with > similar title but it says has churches only, no tombstones. You might > check > > www.familysearch.com then go to Library Catalouge and then Ireland and > then cemeteries. let me know which one is correct to order. Charlotte > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Dear Charlote and Elizabeth I read about the tombstones inscriptions many years ago when I went to the Embassy and they gave me a pamphlet about research resources. I would like to write you in spanish to give a detail of my research. In english I must to think first and I only use the worlds I know (without diccionary). It is terrible and the same is when I read, but when something ring bells on my mind and I found a world I don't know I check the diccionary. Concerning the tombstones inscriptions the information I have is the following: Westmeath: Almoritia II 556 Ardnacraney IV 489 Arnurcher VI 608,VII 121,191 Athlone St Mary's II 227, 374,557,III170,346,521,IV 135,V 272 Athine St. Mary VI 162 Abbey IV 468,494,V 481, VI 160 Ballinacor Bridge I 245, II 174, III 523 Bunown IV 489 Castle Pollanrd IV 494, V 274 Castletown Geoghegan I 513, II 371, IV 390 VI 163 Causestown II 232 Clonlost I 245 Collinstown V 273 Drumcree V 112 Drumreaney IV 489 Fore I 508, II 373, IV 133,487,VI 410 Killbeggan VII 191 Kilkenny West IV 490 Killaugh I 244 Killucan IV 465 Killulagh VII 192 Kilveilagh I 245 Lynn V 486 Mayne V 119 Mount Dalton Obelisk IV 491 Mount Temple III 523 Multifarham I 245, 512,IV 488,VII 276 Newtown Fortullagh III 524 Rahugh III 526 Rathconrath IV 490 St. Mulchan's II 374 Templecros VII 5, VI 609 Ouch Hard work write all these I hope it is OK. I wrote many years ago in the mormon family center here in Buenos Aires, ir is the index for Co. Westmeath This work was made in 1890 and the first years of the next century and I never saw this. When I visited Ireland I had no time to do this research because the Library was closing at 7 pm. I think it only contain Monumental inscrptions of Irish Sept Chieftan (I don't know write well this world) and others notable ones.But it is only what I believe. It was very nice to copy this, as you see there are only a few pages of the entries to Co. Westmeath. There are 5 or 6 volumens for the entire Ireland Nothern part I don't Know). Please If you get this books try for my the entries fro Co. Longford: Abbeyshrule IV 264 Ballimahon VI 583 Rathreagh ( Legan) III 393 Tashinny I 445, IV 264, 267, 315,444,IV 117,393,VII 137 Thanks Alberto Savaglia Cormack PD Why you say eyepotatoe....and you spelled potatoe with that final E.....great! The cemetries are really rough going to do the reserach but the only way in Ireland mainly for Catholics ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte Smith <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: [Irl-Westmeath] Alberto > Alberto: I checked the LDS library catalaogue and it has one called the report of "Association for Preservationof Memorial of the Dead in Ireland'" Is this the correct one. It is showing 9 vol beginng about1880. I will order trhe film and copy if this is the right one. there is one with similar title but it says has churches only, no tombstones. You might check > www.familysearch.com then go to Library Catalouge and then Ireland and then cemeteries. let me know which one is correct to order. Charlotte > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Hi Alberto: I, also, am searching for the Maxwell family from Co. Westmeath. My 4th great grandmother's name was Anne (Nancy) Maxwell. Anne married William Halton, had three children, Bridget, b.1795, Elizabeth, b. 1800 and Michael, b.1803. I believe that they attended St. Michael's Catholic Church in Castlepollard. I would be most interested in hearing about your Maxwell Family. Best regards, Betty Lou Garacia email:[email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Savaglia Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Irl-Westmeath] Westmeath roots Tracing Westmeath ancestors Nally from Irishtown Milltown Parish Harrison from entire Co. Westmeath Lynch and Murray from Moyvore area Seery from entire Co. Westmeath Dennin and Maxwell from Miiltown Maloney from entire Co. Westmeath Mac Cormacks from South Longford border to Co. Westmeath Tracing ancestors of: (1814-1890) Nicholas Cormack (wife Bridget Reynolds) of Carrickedmond Co. Longford (1816-1874) Thomas Lynch ( son of Owen and Catherine Murray) from Moyvore Co Westmeath (1835-1919) Anne Harrison ( daughter John and Mary Sheeram )of of Ballinacarrigy Co. Westmeath (1815-1902) William Seery ( wife Mary Malloney ) of Ballimore Co. Westmeath (1824-1900) Bryan Nally ( wife Anne Dennin ) of Irishtown Miltown Co. Westmeath E MAIL [email protected] Thanks Alberto Savaglia Cormack ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Some Baptisms from Mullingar, Westmeath, Ireland.Christ the King Cathederal Sept 1861 taken from film from LDS Library #926178. Some are so faint, I could not read, suggest you get film to double check if you have people being baptized during this time. This is only a small part of the film. Sept 16 Elizabeth Vize pp(parents) John Vize and Isabella Mills Sponsors William Vize, Elizabeth Vize Thomas McKeon pp Patrick and Mary Flood Sponsors James Lewis and Margaret Byrne Hillary? Resin?? T Rasin and Mary Rock (very had to read) Sept 18 unreadble from microfilm Sept 21 unreadabale from microfilm look like Kennedy Sept 21 Henry Gibbons pp Henry and Bridget Gibbons Sept 23 Thomas Wier pp Patrick and Eliza Dimegan Sponsors Patrick Hickey and Ellen Kelly Sept 27 Christopher Quinn pp Joseph and Marie Canton Sponsors Joseph Maloly and Mary Ann McCormick Sept 28 Thomas Dunne pp John and Esther Matthews Sponsors; John McEvoy and Catherine Dunne Sept 29 Patrick McMahon pp Patrick and Louisa O'Donnell Sponsors: Joseph Nesbit and James McMahon &Anne Smallhorn Sept 31 Bridget Duffy pp James and ellen McKeon Sponsor ; Betsy Herrigan George Russell pp John and Catherine Reilly Sponsors: John Lewis and Teresa Mulligan Michael Durren?? PpMichael and Anna Doyle Sponsors: Andrew Doyle and Mary Nolan Nov 1 Mary Anne Hogan pp John and Lucy Fabb Sponsors: Thomas Keegan and Betsy Fabb Nov 8 James Reynolds pp James and Eliza Larrigan (bastard child) Sponsors: Betsy Reid

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Alberto: I checked the LDS library catalaogue and it has one called the report of "Association for Preservationof Memorial of the Dead in Ireland'" Is this the correct one. It is showing 9 vol beginng about1880. I will order trhe film and copy if this is the right one. there is one with similar title but it says has churches only, no tombstones. You might check www.familysearch.com then go to Library Catalouge and then Ireland and then cemeteries. let me know which one is correct to order. Charlotte

Hi all Do you hear about the " Memorial for the preservation of the dead" Is a compilation of tombstones inscriptions of all around Ireland with a few pages for Co. Westmeath and Longford. The National Library has a copy of them but I had not time to check them in 1996 when I visited Ireland. As Catholic records start to late is very important the headstones and tombstones inscriptions that in some cases give many details of the family a trace back one or two more generations. Later Days Saint church has microfilmed the three volumens. It will great if someone put the few Westmeath pages online. Alberto Savaglia Cormack

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Here is a good website. This is the Westmeath County Library in Mullingar. Scroll down and see what great records they have in their collection. http://www.iol.ie/~libcounc/westmeath.htm

I read you are searching Denneen in Westmeath. What information you have? Dennin, Denneen is not a common name in the area. Thanks Alberto ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Irl-Westmeath] Surname registration > Please register DINEEN/DINNIN > > KILMAIDE-KILMEDE > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Tracing Westmeath ancestors Nally from Irishtown Milltown Parish Harrison from entire Co. Westmeath Lynch and Murray from Moyvore area Seery from entire Co. Westmeath Dennin and Maxwell from Miiltown Maloney from entire Co. Westmeath Mac Cormacks from South Longford border to Co. Westmeath Tracing ancestors of: (1814-1890) Nicholas Cormack (wife Bridget Reynolds) of Carrickedmond Co. Longford (1816-1874) Thomas Lynch ( son of Owen and Catherine Murray) from Moyvore Co Westmeath (1835-1919) Anne Harrison ( daughter John and Mary Sheeram )of of Ballinacarrigy Co. Westmeath (1815-1902) William Seery ( wife Mary Malloney ) of Ballimore Co. Westmeath (1824-1900) Bryan Nally ( wife Anne Dennin ) of Irishtown Miltown Co. Westmeath E MAIL [email protected] Thanks Alberto Savaglia Cormack

Hello Rita Do you know where they came from in Co. Westmeath? Town, Towland? Alberto Savaglia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: [Irl-Westmeath] Surname Registry > Please enter Margaret MC CORMACK married to Michael O'ROURKE. Their son > Michael, my grandfather, was born in Ireland 1845-55. He is in Brooklyn by > 1861. > > Rita > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Just a suggestion....go back after them for the names of the churches in which the events took place...you paid for the service....they should give you more information than just the dates....if they ignore you, write to the main computerization project office in Dublin...and complain up a storm. Elizabeth [email protected] >From: "Patrick & Sandra Kelly" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Irl-Westmeath] Byrne, Formey, Mangan >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:40:49 -0400 > >EILEEN >TRY ST. PATRICK'S CHURCH IN CARE OF THE PARISH PRIEST TELL YOUR PROBLEM >AND >HE MAY BE OF GREAT HELP THE CHURCH IS IN MOATE >PAT >----- Original Message ----- >From: Eileen Montalbano <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Irl-Westmeath] Byrne, Formey, Mangan > > > > Jane, > > > > I too got information from Dunna Si Heritage Center. They found >marriage > > records in Delvin of my ancestors CAREY, HINCH, KEOGHAN. However, they >did > > not submit where they got the records or what church they were married >in. > > Just the names and the dates. That's it!! So, for the $$$ I would of >liked > > to know the full BASICS. > > > > Eileen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [Irl-Westmeath] Byrne, Formey, Mangan > > > > > > > Marybeth, > > > Where did your records from Delvin come from? Was it the >Catholic > > > Church? Do you know if they have any missing dates in their >registers? > > Have > > > you used the Dunna Si Heritage Center? > > > Sorry about all the questions but it looks like I might be >moving > > my > > > search from the Castlepollard area to the Delvin area and I'll need >all > > the > > > help I can get. > > > Thank you, > > > Jane in CA > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi Listers, I would like to get hold of a copy of the will of a relative who died fairly recently, in 1910. He died in either Dublin or the Mullingar area of Westmeath. Any idea how to I could get a copy? Thx everyone!! Roy

EILEEN TRY ST. PATRICK'S CHURCH IN CARE OF THE PARISH PRIEST TELL YOUR PROBLEM AND HE MAY BE OF GREAT HELP THE CHURCH IS IN MOATE PAT ----- Original Message ----- From: Eileen Montalbano <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Irl-Westmeath] Byrne, Formey, Mangan > Jane, > > I too got information from Dunna Si Heritage Center. They found marriage > records in Delvin of my ancestors CAREY, HINCH, KEOGHAN. However, they did > not submit where they got the records or what church they were married in. > Just the names and the dates. That's it!! So, for the $$$ I would of liked > to know the full BASICS. > > Eileen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Irl-Westmeath] Byrne, Formey, Mangan > > > > Marybeth, > > Where did your records from Delvin come from? Was it the Catholic > > Church? Do you know if they have any missing dates in their registers? > Have > > you used the Dunna Si Heritage Center? > > Sorry about all the questions but it looks like I might be moving > my > > search from the Castlepollard area to the Delvin area and I'll need all > the > > help I can get. > > Thank you, > > Jane in CA > > > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Thank you Alberto. I will keep this info in case it links up in the future. Regards, Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Savaglia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [Irl-Westmeath] Surname registry > There are two Philips in Coghlan's book Los Irelandeses en Argentina: > > Michael Philip. Came Buenos Aires in 1844 He married in Ireland Mary Kelly, > she was born in Loughnavally Co. Westmeath in 1793 and died in 1883in > Suipacha Buennos Aires.Their children were born in Ireland > > James Philips was brn in Co, Westmeayh in 1825 died in Navarro 1891 He > married to Mary Dalton 1834-1914. 8 children > > Hope this help > > Alberto Savaglia Cormack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nicole Morris <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:08 AM > Subject: [Irl-Westmeath] Surname registry > > > > Researching the following surnames in Ireland. > > > > PHILLIPS - 1800s in Westmeath and Meath. Descendents of Sir Thomas > Phillips of Limavady, co. Derry (originally from > > Wales) > > > > TIGHE - co. Westmeath 1700>. Also Dublin, Wicklow and other locations. > > > > Names that married into the family: > > Tandy (of Johnsbrook, co. Meath) > > Nunn (St. Margaret's, co. Wexford) > > Leonard (co. Wicklow 1800s) > > Johnston > > Gray > > Wade (Co. Meath) > > Hamilton (of Sheephill and Holmpatrick) > > Phillips-Conn (of Belturbet and Mount Ida) > > > > > > Nicole Morris > > e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >