This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1337.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Fran, Thank you very much for your return letter. For Catholic Church records you can send a letter to the Parish Priest, Father Luke Mcwilliams, and request a search in the parish registers for the family of Adair Magee. The Adair Magee found in Griffiths Valuation, living in Dundrod, Tullyrusk civil parish, may not be the same Adair whose daughter was Cassie. Cassie may have been baptized in a civil parish other than Tullyrusk, in which case her baptism would not be in the church registers for the Catholic Parish of Glenavy & Kilead. But to see if there are any records for the Adair found in Griffiths, and his family, contact the Rev. Luke Williams in Glenavy. Please see below: Very Rev. Luke McWilliams, Parish Priest, St. Joseph’s Presbytery, 59 Chapel Road, Glenavy, Crumlin, Co. Antrim, BT29 4LY Northern Ireland In the last few years Fran I've been in contact with several people who have written to parish priests in Ireland, requesting look-ups in the parish registers. It appears that several parish priests do not bother to respond at all, or write back stating they can no longer search their parish registers because of the volume of requests they receive from people searching their family history. If you do not hear back from Father McWilliams after two months, or if you receive a letter stating that the church registers cannot be searched, you will have to engage the services of the Ulster Historical Sociery (UHS), which was mentioned in the last email. The UHF will charge you an amount based on how much research needs to be undertaken in searching for church, civil, or census records of your Magees. But, in looking at further information from the UHF, I see that they have computerized most of the 19th century Catholic registers for County Antrim. I am not sure if you went to the UHF website to look at the Magee records I found, but doing so may save you time and money, and also confirm which town and civil parish they were living in in the 1880s. The UHF will also be able to locate civil registration records of births and marriages for your Magees, as civil registration in Ireland for all religious denominations began in 1864. Information I found about the records the UHF has computerized is just below: "It should be noted that whilst our database currently comprises almost two million records it is still developing and, as yet, we have not computerised many protestant church registers outside of Belfast (this work is in progress). We have computerised almost all the pre-1900 Roman Catholic church registers for Counties Antrim and Down, including Belfast. We have also computerised almost all the pre-1922 civil marriage registers (protestant 1845-, Roman Catholic 1864-) for this area. In addition to this type of record searching of our computerised holdings, we can provide a full archival research service that will cover records not yet captured on our database." ____________ Irish research seems to be getting more challenging and more expensive as time goes on. But, I hope you can find more records pertaining to Adair Magee and his family. Thank you again for writing back, and don't hesitate to write again if you have any questions. I hope you can go to County Antrim someday to see where your ancestors had lived. Best Wishes Fran, Dave Boylan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Magee Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/1337.1.1 Message Board Post: How can I thank you Dave Boylan, how wonderful that you have taken the time to address my query. It's wonderful. To answer your question regarding the religion of Adair Magee, his daughter, Catherine (also know as Cassie) was Catholic and born in 1889.There was apparently, Jack, Patrick, Mary and Isabelle. I only know of these. So, a family of Catholic it seems.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1338.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Karen, Without a birth location in County Derry it would really be impossible to look for and find the church records for the whole county. There are nearly 1500 towns/townlands in the county in 45 civil parishes. The availability of church registers and how the church registers might be accessed for all the towns/townlands depends on the religious denomination and the townland of birth. Some have been lost, some are microfilmed in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland and others are only in local custody or in other archives. Here's information about church records at PRONI: http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/church.htm Here's information on Presbyterian Church records: http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm Church of Ireland (Anglican) records: http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/cofiindx.htm There are about 25 RC parishes in Derry and availability of those registers varies. So you really need to find Benjamin's place of birth in Derry in his and his children's records in the US. Here's a list of records you can research: Benjamin: 1) civil marriage record 2) church marriage record 3) civil death record 4) church death record 5) cemetery record 6) tombstone 7) will 8) obituary 9) US Naturalisation records esp. first papers or initial petition or citizenship. His children: 1) civil birth record x # of children 2) church baptismal record x # of children 3) civil marriage record x # of children 4) church marriage record x # of children 5) civil death record x # of children 6) church death record x # of children 7) obituaries x # of children Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crawford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1338.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately, we have not been able to find the immigration records and none of the US records we have been able to find show where in Derry, Ireland he came from - only the county. I'm planning a trip to try to find church records, but don't yet know what town to aim for. It feels a bit like shooting in the dark at this point.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1338.1 Message Board Post: Hello Karen, There are no vital records in Ireland before 1864 (Protestant marriages 1845) and no surviving census records from the 1800s. Where in [London]Derry was he born? The city or county? The local church register for his religious denomination for his place of birth would be the location to look for his baptismal record.Church records aren't computerised or centralised and their availability depends on the location as well as religious denomination. Regards. Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1339.1 Message Board Post: Hello Susan, Where in County Tyrone was James McCuskey born? Do you have his parents names from his US records? Eilís O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1339 Message Board Post: The McCuskey family of USA would like to know more about the McCuskey family of Northern Ireland. James McCuskey was born in 1792 in Co. Tyrone. His deed for property in the Wheeling, WV, USA area was filed in 1792. We want to know who his family was and how was he related to the current McCuskeys of Co. Tyrone. Any information would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crawford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1338 Message Board Post: Hi - My great-grandfather is Benjamin Crawford, born 1846-1852 in Derry(Londonderry). His father was James Crawford. His mother Mary (?). He immigrated to the US in 1881. It is possible that he immigrated with brothers. The family split up a bit when they got to the US and I'm having trouble finding information. I'd love to hear anything that anyone may have come across. Thanks for the help. Karen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1337.1 Message Board Post: Hello Frances, I found a listing for a man named Adair Magee in an Irish property tax record called Griffiths Valuation. The Griffiths entry shows that Adair had leased property in the townland of Dundrod, Civil Parish of Tullyrusk, County Antrim. Because of the unique name, I believe this Adair Magee may possibly be the person you are seeking, or perhaps the father or even grandfather of your Adair Magee. Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The enumeration for County Antrim took place between 1861 and 1862. Griffiths only enumerated the heads of households and not family members the way a census does, which means you cannot tell what family members, if any, were living with Adair when the enumerators came by his leasehold in the early 1860s. However, if your Adair Magee had married Mary Hannah and had children in the 1890s, the person in the Griffiths record would more likely be his ancestor. I'm just not sure however. Then too, there is always the possibility that the Adair Magee I found in Griffiths valuation was not the Adair Magee in your family's pedigree. More research will be needed to find out. I had done a blind search in the Griffiths record for Adair. That is, I only typed in his first and last names and did not list a county for the search. One entry came up for all of Ireland, and that was for the Adair in Dundrod, Tullyrusk, Antrim. I found Adair Magee in the Griffiths Valuation at the subscription website called Origins.net Below is the text version of the Griffiths entry for Adair Magee: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 20 Occupier: Adair Magee Lessor: Marquis of Hertford County: ANTRIM Poor Law Union: LISBURN Barony: MASSEREENE, UPPER Parish: TULLYRUSK Townland: DUNDROD Description of Tenement: House, Offices, & Land Area of Land: 23 Acres, 2 Roods, 5 Perches Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 19 Pounds, 5 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 2 Pounds Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 21 Pounds, 5 Shillings The Griffiths Valuation entry for Adair Magee shows that he leased over 23 acres of land, a house, and outbuildings from the Marquis of Hertford. The land that Adair leased was worth 19 pounds and 5 shillings, while the house and outbuildings on the property were worth 2 pounds. The total value of Adair's leasehold for valuation purposes was 21 pounds and 5 shillings. In the category for Description of Tenement, you'll notice the term "offices." An office in a Griffiths entry could be any outbuilding such as a stable, blacksmith shop, barn, etc. That Adair leased over 23 acres is an indication that he was indeed a farmer, as you had stated in your query to the Ancestry message boards. Because it doesn't appear that the marriage date of Adair and Mary Hannah is known, I'd suggest a search of the parish registers for their religious denomination, to see if a marriage entry is recorded. You did not mention the religious denomination of Adair and Mary Hannah. But knowing their religious affiliation will be important in order to search the correct church parish registers. A book by Brian Mitchell called "A Guide To Irish Parish Registers," shows that no Church of Ireland registers are available for the 1800s for the Civil Parish of Tullyrusk. But the book does show that the Catholic Church Parish of Gleneavy & Killead, has registers that commence in 1848, while the Dundrod Presbyterian Church registers begin in 1829. If you can let me know what their religious denomination was, I'll see if I can find the name and address for the priest or minister for that denomination so that you can write for information contained in the parish registers. With information from the church registers concerning marriage and baptisms, you may then be able to send away for civil marriage and birth certificates from the General Register Office (GRO) in Belfast. Ireland began civil registration of marriages for Protestants on 1 April 1845. This means if Adair and Mary belonged to say the Presbyterian Church, the GRO should have their marriage record on file. Full civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations in Ireland however, did not begin until 1864. If Adair and Mary Hannah had children after 1863, the birth records of these children should also be on file in the GRO. If Adair and Mary Hannah were Roman Catholic and married after 1863, their marriage record should also be on file in the GRO. The church registers for their denomination should provide you with dates of marriage and baptisms, provided of course Adair and Hannah were married and had children within the Tullyrusk Civil Parish. As mentioned earlier it's also possible that the Adair Magee in the Griffiths record could have been the father or even grandfather of the Adair Magee who married Mary Hannah. Either way, the Griffiths Valuation record can be used as a finding aid to further research, as it pinpoints that a man named Adair Magee had lived in the townland of Dundrod, Civil Parish of Tullyrusk, during the mid-19th century. In addition to the Griffiths record, I found two index entries of marriage for an Adair Magee, and a James Adair Magee in a free search of the Ulster Historical Foundation site at http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php These index entries pertain to a civil record of marriage for Adair Magee as well as a church record of marriage for James Adair Magee, a but give very little information except for the names of the grooms and year of the record. The name of the bride is not provided. See the index below: Civil Marriages: MAGEE ADAIR 1885 Marriages: MAGEE ADAIR JAMES 1886 You can access the full marriage records for Adair Magee at the UHF website without being a member. You will need to buy a credit for 6 Pounds Sterling (roughly $12 U.S.) to view the records. You can view a total of five records for the 6 Pounds and you have up to 48 hours to view the records. I also found another record for an Adair Magee at the UHF site. This record is an Index to Printed Irish Will Calendars 1878-1900. You could view this record along with the marriage records for the same 6 Pound fee. You may be able to clear up some questions about Adair Magee by accessing these records from the UHF. One of the advantages of searching this way is that you won't have to wait for the record to be mailed to you. Best of Luck Frances, Dave Boylan

I have updated the births and christenings for Rathfriland and area on my website, and the best of luck in your research, Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/263.255 Message Board Post: I'd be interested in the following family names if you have any info: Roche (Roach) and Maguinness (variations of such) and Rafferty. We have learned that Thomas Roche nd Mary Rafferty were married in the Catholic parish of Donaghmore.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1324.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so much for all of the info! I'll check it out!

I am a subscriber to the "Belfast Magazine". It is send to me every other month and if you email then, some of their authors may be of use to you. (I was born in Belfast but I now live in England). The magazine is all about Belfast in the old days. The own I have just here tells of St George's Market, East Belfast Cinemas during the 1930 - 60's. So, email them, you never know what they will have to offer. The email address is _mailbox@belfastmagazine.com_ (mailto:mailbox@belfastmagazine.com) The web page is _www.glenravel.com_ (http://www.glenravel.com) Hope this helps. Cathleen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1239.1.1.2 Message Board Post: In the Belfast Street Directory for 1880 there was a Thomas Greer, living at 84, Labourer and a James Greer ,at 82. Beresford St. We have some Greers in my Husbands family who came from Belfast to Canada, before WW2

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dunn, Bleakley, Shields Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1239.2 Message Board Post: Hi, in the Belfast Streets Directory, 1841 it shows a 1 & 3 Fourth St ,occupied by M.A. Simpson, Cotton Band Manufacturer. The street runs from North Howard St, to Conway St. Falls Road. 1880 Directory shows Fourth St , shows same area, but says only some small cottages. Beresford St. 1880 runs from Shankill Rd to Loftus St. At Ann's was a popular COl Church , I had some relatives married there. No Fourth Ave listed.

Hi Bob, I agree with you. I always find that it is those people who have NOTHING to offer the list that whines and whinges about people who have. Talk to you soon, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <Roblen@eastlink.ca> To: <IRL-ULSTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: [ULSTER] Re: List of Northern Ireland Postcodes > Why is everyone so down on someone who is trying to offer > something to the list. If you don't think it is worth his time, so be > it. Go out and spend your £55.00 and let the person alone. IF you aren't > willing to offer something constructive to the list then ...... > > Most of us are searching for some clue about our ancestors and > are hoping someone will offer a tiny bit of information that will give us > something else to work with. We are all hoping something will give us > that next step. If the 3 replys that I saw about the Irish Postcodes had > offered something to help Cullen then their time would not have been > wasted. > > Searching for information on Samuel F(awls) Brown of Fermanagh > (born about 1801) immagrated to New Brunswick about 1946/7. Also > Catherine Fraser of Cavan (born about 1800 in Cavan). They married about > 1830 in Cavan. ALL help would be graetly appreciated. > > Bob > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Donegal: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldon2/ > Monaghan: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmog/ > Tyrone: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirtyr3/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/427 - Release Date: 24/08/2006 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/1331.1.2.3.1 Message Board Post: A pointless exercise but if you want to spend your time doing it, more power to you. Do you do that for the white pages in the US, http://www.whitepages.com, that is, explain on message boards how it's used and do surname searches to help people find their ancestors?

Please do not let this thread turn to personalities. Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "William longmore" <w.longmore@onetel.net> To: <IRL-ULSTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [ULSTER] Re: List of Northern Ireland Postcodes > Hi Bob, I agree with you. I always find that it is those people who have > NOTHING to offer the list that whines and whinges about people who have. > Talk to you soon, > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" <Roblen@eastlink.ca> > To: <IRL-ULSTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:45 PM > Subject: [ULSTER] Re: List of Northern Ireland Postcodes > > >> Why is everyone so down on someone who is trying to offer >> something to the list. If you don't think it is worth his time, so be >> it. Go out and spend your £55.00 and let the person alone. IF you aren't >> willing to offer something constructive to the list then ...... >> >> Most of us are searching for some clue about our ancestors and >> are hoping someone will offer a tiny bit of information that will give us >> something else to work with. We are all hoping something will give us >> that next step. If the 3 replys that I saw about the Irish Postcodes >> had offered something to help Cullen then their time would not have been >> wasted. >> >> Searching for information on Samuel F(awls) Brown of Fermanagh >> (born about 1801) immagrated to New Brunswick about 1946/7. Also >> Catherine Fraser of Cavan (born about 1800 in Cavan). They married about >> 1830 in Cavan. ALL help would be graetly appreciated. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 >> >> >> ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== >> Donegal: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldon2/ >> Monaghan: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmog/ >> Tyrone: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirtyr3/ >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/427 - Release Date: >> 24/08/2006 >> >> > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > ULSTER-L for researchers with ancestors who lived in North Ireland. > Ulster home page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irluie2/ > Ireland Home Page: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 > >

Thanks for your comments about the Irish Directories. I came from Belfast, but not now, and the N I directory is very good. My family were from Co Monaghan and Co Louth so I will use the Republic directory as well. Thank you. Cathleen

Why is everyone so down on someone who is trying to offer something to the list. If you don't think it is worth his time, so be it. Go out and spend your £55.00 and let the person alone. IF you aren't willing to offer something constructive to the list then ...... Most of us are searching for some clue about our ancestors and are hoping someone will offer a tiny bit of information that will give us something else to work with. We are all hoping something will give us that next step. If the 3 replys that I saw about the Irish Postcodes had offered something to help Cullen then their time would not have been wasted. Searching for information on Samuel F(awls) Brown of Fermanagh (born about 1801) immagrated to New Brunswick about 1946/7. Also Catherine Fraser of Cavan (born about 1800 in Cavan). They married about 1830 in Cavan. ALL help would be graetly appreciated. Bob -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006