Hello: I am searching for anyone with the surname of MARK living in Antrim Co. My Mark people migrated to Canada in 1832, settling in Ontario and Quebec. I am not able to make a discovery of exactly where in Antrim they came from. Perhaps Dirraw or Farranacushog. Anyone out there able to give me more info? I would appreciate any direction or advice. Thank you. Joyce in Canada

I was wondering if you had any info about the following ancestors in Co. Antrim. I would appreciate any info. Thanks, Michelle William Kain(Kane), born 12 Oct 1828, in City Bellentog (Ballintoy), No. Ireland - he was married on 12 Oct 1855, at Ballycastle, Antrim, Ireland - he died 5 Jan 1892, at Mills Co. Iowa and is buried in Henderson Farm Creek Cemetery, Henderson, Iowa. His wife was Margaret Jamison, born 28 Sep 1828, in County Antrim, Ireland - she died 14 Sep 1898, and is buried same as above. Their children were: Alexander Cain 1857 Ireland md. Lorena May Tucker Red Oak Iowa Mary Cain Maynes b- ca 1857 in Ireland - md- Mack Maynes 21 Dec 1879 in Red Oak, Iowa - died 1939 Annie Cain Counts b- ca 1861 in Ireland - md Jacob D. Counts 17 Sep 1885 in Red Oak - died 1934 Ellen Cain Hunter b- 1 Jan 1864 in Ireland - md Charles C. Hunter at Henderson, Iowa, on 1 Apr 1896 - died 24 Sep 1923 Cinda Cain Hunter b- ca 1865, in Ireland - md Charles Swaney in Red Oak on 25 Feb 1885 - died 1934 Margaret Cain Cooper b- ca 1865, in Ireland - md Will Cooper - she died ca 1933 William Jamison Cain b- 23 Aug 1870 in USA - md Hallie Dell Adleins - he died 21 Apr 1945

Hi again- As I am reading the newspaper article regarding my go-grandfather (George Arthur FLETCHER b. Jan 1866). He apparently he married while in Belfast, between the years 1930-1938 to a woman who worked in the Belfast Post Office for many years. Does anyone know how I could research these records? Thank you very much- Mary Gail in Alaska

Hello, I am new to this list and am researching my grandfather's grandfather- Christopher FLETCHER f/o George Arthur FLETCHER b. Jan 1866. According to a handwritten book passed down through the family, George was brought to Canada from Belfast, before he was one year old. In a newspaper article dated 07July1938, it states that after his first wife died, he returned to Belfast where he married an Irish woman who worked in the Belfast Post Office. (He had worked for the post office in Cleveland OH) Does anyone have any suggestions for finding more on this line? Trying to find info on Christopher and/or his Irish wife who worked in the post office! Thank you. Mary Gail in Alaska [email protected]

Hello I am researching my family tree and have found a notation in a family bible where Elizabeth Jane Parker Craig (Lizzie), Belgrave Cottage, departed this life 1911. Interned in the city cemetary. Can anyone tell me where Belgrave Cottage might be? Would it be rural or urban? Any help would be appreciated. Thank-you. Maggie _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca

Is there any place that I can search for more information on finding my grgrgrandmother, Elizabeth Rogers? I know so little about her. She was born in Ulster 23 June 1794, a Protestant, immigrated to the U.S. and was married in Pennsylvania in 1819. Perhaps somebody could give me some leads. Ann Atherton from Ohio USA.

Many thanks for your quick reply and the suggestion for the N.I. Gen Web page. I have been searching through the Web page for several months now but haven't came across anything. Curiousity will keep me looking. Hope to hear from you again. Joan. >From: "kathleen donnelly" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ULSTER] children of Robert and Rosa >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:56:31 -0800 > >Hi: Did you try Northern Irelan Gen Web page? I find it pretty good as a >start: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirwgw/ >I was born in Belfast and the name seems so familiar...I'll think about it >for a while >Hope this helps. >----- Original Message ----- >From: j.e. higginson <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:30 PM >Subject: [ULSTER] children of Robert and Rosa > > > > >From December 1885 onwards, there was an issue of thirteen (13) >children > > from the union of Robert and Rosa Nugent. All of the children were >thought > > to be born in Belfast. Should anyone have information, I would be >thrilled > > to receive whatever can be found. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Joan. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > > Your Ulster based homepage can be listed here. > > > > ============================== > > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > >==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== >Ulster Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlccn/Ulster/ > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hope this helps some one along- The print is quite small, so please be aware of name/location errors. If it is close, let me know and I will send you a copy of the entry. the information is Date and Place of Birth, Name, Sex, Name Surname and Dwelling place of Father, Name surname and maiden name of mother, Occupation, Informant's signature qualification and residence, All of these were registered by either the mother or father. all were farmers but one. >From 2 Jul 1875 to 16 Aug 1875 The following births were registered: 2 July Tyreeman or Tyreenau-John M Felix Gorman Catharine Slovics 6 July Tullarush Susanna F Edward Kelly Bridget McWilliams 11 July Tullarush Thomas Henry M Francis Owens Mary Reid 31 July Fintona Margaret F John Donnelly Anne Shevlico Carpenter 26 July Legamagherg Patrick Joseph M Peter Maguire Sarah McMahon 24 July Luau Alliso F John Maguire Anne Hanigan 1 Aug Mullawinney David M Joseph Monteith Susana McCracken 8 Aug Karone Ellen F James Scott Margaret Brattise 16 Aug Mullawinney Ellen and Mary F John Chapman Elizabeth McClung 16 Aug Lisnacrieve Anna Maria F Thomas Gillespie Anne Isabel Starrat AH Robinson was the Registrar and William Knight Superintendant Registrar Shirley Gillespie Moore My Irish eyes do smile :-) Researching:GILLESPIE, STARRET, ROBINSON, BRANDON, MCCOY-Ireland,Scotland, England MOORE, NELSON-Kentucky and Missouri ROSSELLI, FERRARO, GALLO, VIA, VACANPE OR VACANTE-California, NewYork, Palermo Sicily, Soriano Catanzaro Calabria Italy. HEPP, MADER, STA(E)DELE, V(W)ALSER, NEFFLE, BLOEDIN-Donaukreis Baden Wuerttemberg Germany

Libbie Griffin wrote: > ...So do you think if I find the church in New Haven > Connecticut where she married there will be a record of her parents' names? > Or of her baptism, so we can find her baptism record in Ulster? All this > is new territory for me. Any hints or tips are really welcome! Libbie, Each parish is different, and even within a parish it will vary over time what info is recorded in the registers. I've never done any research in New Haven churches, so I can't tell you anything about that. Just in case it helps, though...in all the different Philadelphia RC churches I've written to, no matter what I say in the letter re "please tell me ANYTHING else that's in your records," I invariably get a standard marriage certificate, which indicates the names of the bride and groom, the date of marriage, the name of the priest and the witnesses, with no info on the parents. For one Philadelphia RC church I'd written to and gotten the usual info from, a friend took it upon himself to go in person to the church and ask the same questions. According to him, the register indicated both sets of parents names and their counties of birth (Co. Donegal, Ireland and Lancashire, England); this particular parish would not allow him to look in the register himself, so he could make notes only of what he could read over the parish secretary's shoulder. I don't know if it's policy just to give the info on the immediate parties to the marriage, or if it's just that the standard form they fill out doesn't have spaces for other info. Bottom line, even if the church sends you the basic info, that doesn't mean that there might not be more info in the register that you could see only if you went in person (or send someone on your behalf). Once you find which parish it is, you'll need to call them to see if you can see the registers yourself. I deleted your first message, so I forget what date you're talking about. I can tell you, though, (again based on Philadelphia research), that you may be able to get info on the parents names, occupations, dates of birth, residences, etc. from the civil records, depending on date (the forms changed over time; more recent ones ask for much more info); the civil records may also indicate the name of the parish and/or the name of the priest who performed the ceremony. Also, in the Philadelphia Archdiocese, there is a Archdiocesan Research Center that has parish registers prior to 1900; they have a search service and will send you photocopies of the records, so if there's any info in the register or handwriting to decipher, you can see the original rather than someone else's guess in a transcription. (The downside, I understand, is that there's a 6-month delay). Maybe there's something similar in the Archdiocese of Hartford (which includes New Haven)?? In case it helps, here's their website: http://www.archdiocese-hartford.org/ -- glancing through, it looks like there are some interesting international links. Maybe you'll find something useful. Good luck! Claire

> >Libbie:Yes definitely, even today in order to be married in the Church, one >has to write for baptism records. All you need is the correct date of >Baptism and the name of the Church, no problem. Also as well as this, after >the Pastor sends the records, the Church where the marriage took place >should have then sent back to the first Church, the date and place of >marriage. I imagine it was a way to be sure that people were not marrying >twice etc. Hope this info is helpful. >Kathleen Donnelly Kathleen, This is very helpful. So do you think if I find the church in New Haven Connecticut where she married there will be a record of her parents' names? Or of her baptism, so we can find her baptism record in Ulster? All this is new territory for me. Any hints or tips are really welcome! Libbie Griffin

Kathleen and Libbie: If I remember correctly from my own marriage preparations, the priest who is marrying you just looks at the baptismal record so he can certify he's seen proof of baptism, then returns the record to you, so the church where you marry does not keep a copy of your baptism record. Also, as far as I know, the cross-referencing of sacramental records is a fairly recent development, and may only apply in the US (I can't swear to the US-only aspect but I think I've read it somewhere). I certainly have never seen any sacramental registers for any of the ancestors I'm researching in the US or in Ireland have such useful info. Unfortunately! If you're lucky and your people were stable, you may find both the children's baptisms and the parents' marriage in the same church's records, but only if you search separately for them. I've never seen them cross-referenced this way in any RC records in the US or Ireland. Hope this helps. Claire kathleen donnelly wrote: > Libbie:Yes definitely, even today in order to be married in the Church, one > has to write for baptism records. All you need is the correct date of > Baptism and the name of the Church, no problem. Also as well as this, after > the Pastor sends the records, the Church where the marriage took place > should have then sent back to the first Church, the date and place of > marriage. I imagine it was a way to be sure that people were not marrying > twice etc. Hope this info is helpful. > Kathleen Donnelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Libbie Griffin <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:59 AM > Subject: [ULSTER] christening records > > > My husband's grandmother, SUSAN DRAIN, emigrated from Ballymoney in Co. > > Antrim in the 1880s, supposedly at the age of 13. She was married about > > 1893 to EDWARD GRIFFIN in New Haven, Connecticut. > > > > I have heard that it was necessary for Catholics who wanted to be married > > in the church to prove they had been christened by writing back to the > > church at home for a baptism record. Is that true? If it's true, is this > > a feasible way to learn the names of her parents and her home parish? Has > > anyone accessed church records in this way? > > > > Libbie Griffin > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > > Welcome To Province Ulster, North Ireland (IGP / IGW) > > > > ============================== > > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Welcome To Province Ulster, North Ireland (IGP / IGW) > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi Claire: Thanks for the tip, I assumed it was also done in Ireland. I used to be Church Secretary for a couple of years and that was the procedure. They may not have been as careful in the Irish Churches, perhaps because they didn't have to be. Yes after the Priest makes out the certificate he gives it to the person to keep. Yes, especially in Ireland you will usually find the full family history in the Record Books. Thanks for the info. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [ULSTER] christening records > Kathleen and Libbie: > If I remember correctly from my own marriage preparations, the priest who is > marrying you just looks at the baptismal record so he can certify he's seen > proof of baptism, then returns the record to you, so the church where you marry > does not keep a copy of your baptism record. Also, as far as I know, the > cross-referencing of sacramental records is a fairly recent development, and may > only apply in the US (I can't swear to the US-only aspect but I think I've read > it somewhere). I certainly have never seen any sacramental registers for any of > the ancestors I'm researching in the US or in Ireland have such useful info. > Unfortunately! If you're lucky and your people were stable, you may find both > the children's baptisms and the parents' marriage in the same church's records, > but only if you search separately for them. I've never seen them > cross-referenced this way in any RC records in the US or Ireland. Hope this > helps. > Claire > > kathleen donnelly wrote: > > > Libbie:Yes definitely, even today in order to be married in the Church, one > > has to write for baptism records. All you need is the correct date of > > Baptism and the name of the Church, no problem. Also as well as this, after > > the Pastor sends the records, the Church where the marriage took place > > should have then sent back to the first Church, the date and place of > > marriage. I imagine it was a way to be sure that people were not marrying > > twice etc. Hope this info is helpful. > > Kathleen Donnelly > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Libbie Griffin <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:59 AM > > Subject: [ULSTER] christening records > > > > > My husband's grandmother, SUSAN DRAIN, emigrated from Ballymoney in Co. > > > Antrim in the 1880s, supposedly at the age of 13. She was married about > > > 1893 to EDWARD GRIFFIN in New Haven, Connecticut. > > > > > > I have heard that it was necessary for Catholics who wanted to be married > > > in the church to prove they had been christened by writing back to the > > > church at home for a baptism record. Is that true? If it's true, is this > > > a feasible way to learn the names of her parents and her home parish? Has > > > anyone accessed church records in this way? > > > > > > Libbie Griffin > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > > > Welcome To Province Ulster, North Ireland (IGP / IGW) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > > Welcome To Province Ulster, North Ireland (IGP / IGW) > > > > ============================== > > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Welcome To Province Ulster, North Ireland (IGP / IGW) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Libbie:Yes definitely, even today in order to be married in the Church, one has to write for baptism records. All you need is the correct date of Baptism and the name of the Church, no problem. Also as well as this, after the Pastor sends the records, the Church where the marriage took place should have then sent back to the first Church, the date and place of marriage. I imagine it was a way to be sure that people were not marrying twice etc. Hope this info is helpful. Kathleen Donnelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Libbie Griffin <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: [ULSTER] christening records > My husband's grandmother, SUSAN DRAIN, emigrated from Ballymoney in Co. > Antrim in the 1880s, supposedly at the age of 13. She was married about > 1893 to EDWARD GRIFFIN in New Haven, Connecticut. > > I have heard that it was necessary for Catholics who wanted to be married > in the church to prove they had been christened by writing back to the > church at home for a baptism record. Is that true? If it's true, is this > a feasible way to learn the names of her parents and her home parish? Has > anyone accessed church records in this way? > > Libbie Griffin > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Welcome To Province Ulster, North Ireland (IGP / IGW) > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hello, I am searching for information about my gr-gr grandmother, Elizabeth Rogers, born or christened 23 June 1794, d.5 Oct 1852 in Ohio, USA The only info I have is that she was born in Ulster. Don't know in what parish. Can anyone help? Or some kind soul tell me who to contact? Thanks Ann Atherton from Ohio

My husband's grandmother, SUSAN DRAIN, emigrated from Ballymoney in Co. Antrim in the 1880s, supposedly at the age of 13. She was married about 1893 to EDWARD GRIFFIN in New Haven, Connecticut. I have heard that it was necessary for Catholics who wanted to be married in the church to prove they had been christened by writing back to the church at home for a baptism record. Is that true? If it's true, is this a feasible way to learn the names of her parents and her home parish? Has anyone accessed church records in this way? Libbie Griffin

>From December 1885 onwards, there was an issue of thirteen (13) children from the union of Robert and Rosa Nugent. All of the children were thought to be born in Belfast. Should anyone have information, I would be thrilled to receive whatever can be found. Many thanks in advance. Joan. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hi: Did you try Northern Irelan Gen Web page? I find it pretty good as a start: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirwgw/ I was born in Belfast and the name seems so familiar...I'll think about it for a while Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: j.e. higginson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: [ULSTER] children of Robert and Rosa > >From December 1885 onwards, there was an issue of thirteen (13) children > from the union of Robert and Rosa Nugent. All of the children were thought > to be born in Belfast. Should anyone have information, I would be thrilled > to receive whatever can be found. > Many thanks in advance. > Joan. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Your Ulster based homepage can be listed here. > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

Looking for a CATHRINE TWOHILL from ULSTER. I've got her marring a TOM BROWN. need help on this. Julie. west Aus

I think the only 1901 census indexes are for Counties Tyrone and Fermanagh. Faye Logue

You might try familysearch.org/ and search their library catalogue for Belfast. I dont know about name indexes, but they have the 1901 census for most of Ireland on film by parish.