Hi, I'm new to the list, here are my interests: PETER KELLY b IRELAND 1809 M MARGARET HALL b IRELAND daughter: MARGARET LYLE KELLY b1842 IRELAND MARRIED ROBERT McCAIG in Old Monkland, Scotland in 1866. anyone recognise these families? Elizabeth Reid. researching: KELLY.HALL.McCAIG.TURNER. KENNEDY.DUNN.BOND.PLATT. BRENAN.CLARK.LYLE.

Greetings: Still trying to find the Robert Mains who immigrated from Northern Ireland in the 1750's-1800's time frame. Married a Margaret Denniston (New York State) both are of Irish descent. Help. P.S. God bless all on this special day in Northern Ireland, July 12th. Robert Mains

Hi Listers, My Great Great Grandfather William Adams, born in Coleraine, Ireland on Feb 6th 1825 , joined the the 65th Regiment ( Private 2512), known as the "Royal Tigers" on Dec 15th 1845 He sailed with the 65th to New South Wales from Woolwich, England on the vessel "Java" on May 18th 1846 and then on to New Zealand wher he took his discharge in August 1850 and settled. His fathers name was David Adams, occupation Tanner, and his mother Ann Roberts. Research that may possible tie in centres around a David Adams who in 1831 resided on the "Commons" area of Coleraine. This could be the street known today as Long Common. This David was married and apparently had six children as there were 5 males and 3 females living in the house. He apparently owned house no's 457 and 458 with the second house listed as "vacant". He was listed as a Presbtyerian. Another researcher with whom I am corresponding also shares a GG Grandfather named David Adams of Coleraine and we suspect may be the same one. His Great Great Grandfather John Adams married a Jane Allen ( father William a weaver of Wattstown townlands) on 17 Jan 1846 and two of the witnesses were named John Dunlop and John McAlees. The church was the the United Church of England and Ireland. This John moved to Scotland sometime between 1855 and 1859. Common male forenames that are in both families are William, John, Alexander, James, Thomas, Elizabeth. Graeme Adams http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kiwiadams

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> From: "kathleen donnelly" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:10:11 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ULSTER] McLERNON > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:56:20 -0700 > > Certainly sounds like an Northern name. I think I have seen it spelled and > pronounced McLarnan with a distinct Northern accent. Have you checked in and > around Belfast, Co. Antrim where there where numerous Mills built and > weavers working in them? > Kathleen Donnelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Small <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:20 AM > Subject: [ULSTER] McLERNON > > >> Hi everyone >> >> This is my first posting to the list. I am researching the not very common > name of McLERNON which seems mainly to be found in Northern Ireland. >> >> The family that I am interested in is that of JOHN McLERNON who was a > weaver who I estimate to have been born near the beginning of the 19th > Century and his daughter MARY ANN who I know was born abt.1837. I have no > information on John's wife. >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> Sue Small >> >> >> ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== >> Admin:[email protected] >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> >> > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Welcome To the Province Ulster, North Ireland Mailing List > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Certainly sounds like an Northern name. I think I have seen it spelled and pronounced McLarnan with a distinct Northern accent. Have you checked in and around Belfast, Co. Antrim where there where numerous Mills built and weavers working in them? Kathleen Donnelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Small <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: [ULSTER] McLERNON > Hi everyone > > This is my first posting to the list. I am researching the not very common name of McLERNON which seems mainly to be found in Northern Ireland. > > The family that I am interested in is that of JOHN McLERNON who was a weaver who I estimate to have been born near the beginning of the 19th Century and his daughter MARY ANN who I know was born abt.1837. I have no information on John's wife. > > Any help appreciated > > Sue Small > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Admin:[email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

> > My McCaigs went from Ireland-not sure exactly where, to Lanarkshire > Scotland. > Banbridge has been mentioned, as their birthplace. > > ROBERT McCAIG B 1809 m 1838 JANET TURNER b 1807 > children: > JOHN 1839 ,,,IRELAND > MARY 1841 ,,,IRELAND > ROBERT 1844 ,,,IRELAND m MARGARET LYLE KELLY b 1842 IRELAND (married in Old > Monkland Lanarkshire Scotland) > > Does anyone recognise these families, don't have much luck researching the > surname McCAIG. > kind regards, > Elizabeth McCaig Reid. Sydney. > > McCAIG.KENNEDY.DUNN.BOND. > DAUTON/DANTON.HENRY/HENDRY.LYLE.KELLY. > >

Actually, Libby, that's not completely (though it is mostly) true. What you quote is the current state of the law, but it's only been in effect since 1988, if my memory serves me. Prior to that a work published in the US without a copyright notice did indeed go into the public domain, and could not be restored to copyright protection. The later change in the law was not retroactive (except for certain foreign works -- i.e., by non-US nationals -- that does not seem to apply in this situation). Of course, I don't know what Mr. Cowan means when he says it's not protected under copyright, as I don't know how much research he did into its original publication (or whether he searched the Library of Congress registration files, which, by the way, can be done on the web site you mention -- via telnet). I know that masters theses are not infrequently registered (which used to be, but is no longer, a prerequisite for copyright protection in the US), so it's possible that the thesis was indeed registered and, if renewed (another former requirement no longer in effect), would still be protected by copyright. You're right, Libby, to say that copyright is a very complicated area. I'm not a practicing lawyer, either (and this info does not constitute legal advice), but I did work extensively with copyright during 10+ years in publishing (during which time many of these changes were made) and routinely had to determine the copyright status of a work. Copyright status in the US, by the way, is mostly determined by the provisions of the US copyright law at the time the work was originally created; since there have been many changes over the years, it gets complicated very quickly. I'm glad to hear, though, that you know enough about copyright to make the statements you did. Very accurate as far as the current state of the law goes (though duration of copyright for a new work depends on whether the author is a person -- in which case it's the author's lifetime plus 70 years -- a business, and other factors too numerous to go into here). I'm glad you brought up the subject in connection with Mr. Cowan's project. Copyright is something we all need to keep in mind. Hope this was at least somewhat interesting...to someone out there. Claire Libbie Griffin wrote: > > Mr. Cowan, > > Any original work created in the past 75 years (in America) is > automatically protected by copyright! A document does not need to say > "Copyright" nor does anything in particular need to be done with it. I am > no attorney and the whole issue of copyrights is too complicated for me, > but I assure you that what I have said is true. Before you publish that > thesis in any form (including on the internet) you need to find the author > and obtain his/her permission in order to protect yourself from litigation. > > For your own protection, as well as the author's, I urge you to look at the > United States Copyright Office web site at the Library of Congress at: > http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/. There you will find this quote, > "Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created..." > > Libbie Griffin

Hello I'm new to this list searching for Byrns/Burns & Grier/Greer in Co. Antrim and McGowan/Fair in Co. Tyrone. Is there a list archives where I can read previous postings? Elaine Brown Kingston, Ontario

Still looking for links to WISEMAN families of Ballywatermoy townland, Ahoghill Parish, near Cullybackey, in County Antrim, as they might have existed between 1800 and 1835. Also, DUNLO/APs in the same area - specifically, a MARGARET D. who might have married a WISEMAN (maybe Samuel or James) in about 1805 or so. Bob Wilson ===== "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl just type in the list you want [email protected] and go. You can pick what year, the subject, names, etc. you want to read. I believe the list is relatively new so you may not find records before 2000. Good luck with your search, and ask about anything you don't understand. Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [ULSTER] List Archives > Hello I'm new to this list searching for Byrns/Burns & Grier/Greer in Co. > Antrim and McGowan/Fair in Co. Tyrone. Is there a list archives where I can > read previous postings? > > Elaine Brown > Kingston, Ontario > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Your Ulster based genealogical homepage( any county )can be listed here by request. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Mr. Cowan, Any original work created in the past 75 years (in America) is automatically protected by copyright! A document does not need to say "Copyright" nor does anything in particular need to be done with it. I am no attorney and the whole issue of copyrights is too complicated for me, but I assure you that what I have said is true. Before you publish that thesis in any form (including on the internet) you need to find the author and obtain his/her permission in order to protect yourself from litigation. For your own protection, as well as the author's, I urge you to look at the United States Copyright Office web site at the Library of Congress at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/. There you will find this quote, "Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created..." Libbie Griffin >I have shipped the first 25 copies of this thesis and will start winding down >soon. In answer to another gentlemen's question, this master's thesis is not >copywrited, it is part of the public domain, although very obscure. I just >recently found an original copy after years of looking. If anyone else wants >a copy let me know.

A couple of people have asked me about some of the names in the Appendix of Hagy's thesis and I will provide the following information: In Appendix B which was the Payroll of Captain Joseph Martin's company under command of Colonel Evan shelby, May 1 through June 39, 1777, at Moore's Fort we find the following names: Patrick Porter, Lewis Green, Robert Killgore, James Alley, Charles Killgore, Samuel Alley, John Montgomery, Samuel Porter, Zechariah Green, John Alley, Alexander Montgomery, Sr., Alexander Montgomery, Jr., Andrew Cowan, Fredrick Fraley, John Kinchaid, John Barksdale, James Ozburn, Thomas Ozburn, Nehemiah Noel. Appendix A is the list of persons who were paid as members of Captain William Russell's Company for the first pay period during Lord Dunmore's War. Since I don't want to type all day I will list the last names only, Russell, Moore, Noole, Snoody, Hamlin, Ritchie, Brown, Duncan, King, Dickenson, Porter, Crank, Cowan, Johnson, Bush, Burks, Nichols, Anderson, Burney, Terrill, Kincaid, Pitman, Gass, Campbell, Black, English, Hays, Duncan, Blackmore, Davis, Stanton, Carr, Butcher, McCorkle, Smith, Mountz, Phillips, Overture, McClaland, Kilgore, Warten, Lewis, Hinds, I have shipped the first 25 copies of this thesis and will start winding down soon. In answer to another gentlemen's question, this master's thesis is not copywrited, it is part of the public domain, although very obscure. I just recently found an original copy after years of looking. If anyone else wants a copy let me know. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105 Thank you for your interest. You will enjoy this thesis as it is well researched and the footnotes are extensive.

Hello, My name is Robert Cowan and I am a member of several lists dealing with the Scotch-Irish in Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Recently I sent the following e-mail to my list members and have decided to include your list because of the importance of this thesis. If any of your ancestors ended up in the shenandoah Valley, southwest Virgina or east Tennessee this document will be of special interest to you. It is not copywrited and therefore part of the public domain however it is a very obscure document and I searched for years before finding an original copy. "I have recently obtained an original copy of the following thesis which was presented to the faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University, in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of master of arts. It was published in June 1966 as follows: CASTLE'S WOODS: FRONTIER VIRGINIA SETTLEMENT, 1769-1799 by James Hagy This is one of the most fascinating bits of research I have ever read and it is an excellent research tool for anyone with Clinch River connections which is just about all of us. It is exceptional because of its extensive foot notes which reminds me of Carolina Cradle. There is one long passage which begins, "The first settlers apparently were William Snoddy, William Cowan, John Cowan, and Patrick Porter. Others soon followed. To some extent the settlement was a family affair......... The Cowans and Porters had moved from County down in Ireland to Pennsylvania about 1726..... it goes on and on and is the same story we have all heard many times over and always either attribute it to White or family legend. Sometimes we get so used to calling something undocumented or unsubstantiated because we forgot where the original source came from. At the end of this long paragraph, Hagy gives us a real clue and suggests we look at the following: M.B. Wood to Draper, August 23, 1883, Draper MS 4C27; William Russell to Governor Harrison, September 25, 1783, in William Palmer, Calendar of Virginia State Papers and other Manuscripts, from Jan 1, 1782, to Dec. 31, 1784, p. 532, and Thomas W Carter to Draper, Draper MS 4C26 and other sources including Maxwell History and genealogy by Florence Houston and Laura Cowan Blaine. The Draper Manuscripts, Wisconsin Historical Society, Madison are cataloged by letters and numbers the C being the papers of Daniel Boone. I am not talented enough to wiggle through all of Lyman Drapers papers but I bet Laura Cooper could find what is in these two Draper conversations. I would be willing to make copies ONE time for anyone who wants a copy of this 140 page thesis. I will have it hole punched and put in a three ring binder and ship it to you for $25.00. I repeat, I will make as many copies as necessary and I do recemmend this work as it is the best expression of life on the virginia frontier I have ever read, but I will only do it ONCE." This thesis is full of all those Indian battles that made Daniel Boone famous, in fact Boone is mentioned often in this work. Also, William Russell, Evan Shelby, the Montgomery's and many other famous names of our Revolutionary War . If you ever wanted to know how life was on the Virginia frontier before the settling of Kentucky this thesis is invaluable. I travel to the UK often and as a former director of the Irish Children's Summer Program have a special fondness for Belfast and all of Northern Ireland. I descend from John Cowan, Sheriff of Londonderry in 1695 and Defender during the Siege. If this thesis is of interest to you contact me at [email protected] You can even pay in punts or pounds as I am planning a trip to Derry this year. Regards, Robert Cowan 6th great grandson of Samuel Cowan, killed by Indians on the Clinch River 1776 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105

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Hi everyone This is my first posting to the list. I am researching the not very common name of McLERNON which seems mainly to be found in Northern Ireland. The family that I am interested in is that of JOHN McLERNON who was a weaver who I estimate to have been born near the beginning of the 19th Century and his daughter MARY ANN who I know was born abt.1837. I have no information on John's wife. Any help appreciated Sue Small