Hi, I'm new to the list and am hoping fellow listers may be able to help with a problem I have with my Scots-Irish family. I have just been told that my great aunt was born in Portadown Barracks, Armagh. Mary Bond born 1880, illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth McNeil a domestic servant at the barracks, father unknown. Elizabeth McNeil married Thomas Bond labourer, (son of Thomas Bond - soldier in ranks British Army regiment unknown) in 1882 at Portadown in Church of Ireland, although Elizabeth was purported to be a Catholic. Does anyone know where I could get information on Portadown barracks, does it still exist and what regiment would have been billeted there in 1880? I'm not sure where to start looking for any records concerning this area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Tracey Sydney Australia

I am seeking the whereabouts of Thomas John Ignatius TRAINOR born Belfast circa 1937, or his descendants. Thomas married my cousin (now deceased) in 1970, and as a result of compiling a family history I am seeking a contact with Thomas. TIA Reg Oakley www.carol-reg.freeserve.co.uk Kemsing, Kent.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Menzies in ireland Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/610.1 Message Board Post: Menzies is a purely Scottish name and originally was derived from a Norman family from the town of Mesnieres in France. The name became anglicised to Manners and were ancestors of the present Dukes of Rutland. Sir Robert de Meyneris gained patronage at the court of Alexander II of Scotland and received grants of land in Glen Lyon. His son Robert was a companion-in-arms of Robert the Bruce. The eighth chief, another Robert, built the castle at Weems in 1488. In 1655 Sir Alexander Menzies was created a Baron of Nova Scotia and his brother, Col. James Menzies was a veteran of the Civil War being wounded nine times. The Menzies Clan supported the "Old Pretender" but Menzies of Culdares was captured and spent many years in exile in Maryland. Later the Menzies fought for Bonnie Prince Charlie. The Menzies baronetcy became extinct on the death of Sir Neil Menzies of Menzies in 1910 or threabouts. Menzies castle fell into disrepair and is now looked after by the Clan Menzies Society! and the present chief lives in Australia. In Scotland the name is properly pronounced "Ming-iss" and not as it looks when written. The name is rare in Ireland. Further information on the menzies Clan can be found in any of the books on the history of the Scottish Clans. The motto is "Vil God I zal" and the crest a savage head erased proper. I have not seen any reference to John Turner Menzies as yet.

Posting my interests. 1. PETER KELLY M MARGARET FEILEY IRELAND. no dates son 2. PETER KELLY M MARGARET HALE/HALL IRELAND no dates daughter: 3. MARGARET LYLE KELLY B 1842 M 1866 ROBERT McCAIG B 1844-IRELAND AT OLD MONKLAND. SCOTLAND. 4. JOHN McCAIG/McKEAG M AGNES BRANDON IRELAND. Abt 1795?? son 5. ROBERT McCAIG/McKEAG B 1807 M abt 1838 JANET TORRANCE B 1802 IRELAND. 1871 census for OLD MONKLAND SCOTLAND shows, PETER KELLY AND WIFE MARGARET, AND DAUGHTER MARGARET AND ROBERT McKAIG and two children. Does anyone recognise these names? Elizabeth McCaig Reid. kennedy.bond.danton/dauton.platt.feiley. brandon.torrance.hale/hall.mccaig/mckaig/mckeag.

September 23, 2001, Hello Hugh, Thank you for the quick reply, your suggestions and the Edgar information. Whenever I can get close to an LDS library I will have a look. Joan. [email protected] wrote: Joan, I'm sorry. I have no modern information about Belfast and my interest is chiefly in helping people with ancestral research in the past. I left Ulster over 50 years ago and don't have any modern directories. These should be available at major libraries or the LDS library. The Belfast gravestone inscriptions would help if you knew which graveyard they were buried. The Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast have a web site and have published a paperback series of the gravestone inscriptions of Ulster. They also undertake genealogical reserach. The Registrar's Office should be able to send you copies of births, marriages and deaths but you need to know the year. If it is of any help the 1843 Directory for Belfast lists five Edgars: EDGAR Rev. John, D.D.,1 Alfred St. Samuel, Haberdasher and Woolendraper, 6 Ann St. Isaac, Boarding House, 20 Hamilton Place Edgar, Trowser-maker, 14 Castle Place (This is how it was spelled). I think there is a good chance these are related in some way. Good luck ! Hugh Macartney _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hello listers, Your help would be greatly appreciated, if you could give me information on William Henry Walker Edgar and his wife Elizabeth M. Edgar. They lived in Belfast, Northern Ireland. William died in 1939 aged 64 and Elizabeth died in 1954 aged 73. History has it that they were second or third cousins. I would like to know when and where they were married. Their first child was born 1902-1903. That probably would help with the marriage date. Information on this line would help me decide if this is the direction I should go. Thanking you in anticipation. Joan. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Joan, I'm sorry. I have no modern information about Belfast and my interest is chiefly in helping people with ancestral research in the past. I left Ulster over 50 years ago and don't have any modern directories. These should be available at major libraries or the LDS library. The Belfast gravestone inscriptions would help if you knew which graveyard they were buried. The Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast have a web site and have published a paperback series of the gravestone inscriptions of Ulster. They also undertake genealogical reserach. The Registrar's Office should be able to send you copies of births, marriages and deaths but you need to know the year. If it is of any help the 1843 Directory for Belfast lists five Edgars: EDGAR Rev. John, D.D.,1 Alfred St. Samuel, Haberdasher and Woolendraper, 6 Ann St. Isaac, Boarding House, 20 Hamilton Place Edgar, Trowser-maker, 14 Castle Place (This is how it was spelled). I think there is a good chance these are related in some way. Good luck ! Hugh Macartney "j.e. higginson" wrote: > Hello listers, > > Your help would be greatly appreciated, if you could give me information on > William Henry Walker Edgar and his wife Elizabeth M. Edgar. They lived in > Belfast, Northern Ireland. William died in 1939 aged 64 and Elizabeth died > in 1954 aged 73. History has it that they were second or third cousins. I > would like to know when and where they were married. Their first child was > born 1902-1903. That probably would help with the marriage date. > Information on this line would help me decide if this is the direction I > should go. > Thanking you in anticipation. > Joan. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Welcome To the Province Ulster, North Ireland Mailing List > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Morton/Nayler ? Carrickfergus Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/267.167.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Lucille, You have two surnames, Morton and Naylor (often spelled Nailor) which are found in various parts of Ulster but principally I would guess in Antrim and Down. You said you thought they came from Carrickfergus but these names do not appear at all in the gravestone records. Where did you get the information about Carrickfergus ? Unless you have some idea as to where in Ulster these people lived you are going to have a difficult task. Naylor alos is a common name in Dublin so you need to try and pinpoint the area more accurately. Morton is also a common name in Belfast and the 1843 Directory lists an Andrew, John, another Andrew, another John, a David and a James. A Charles Nailor is listed but no Naylers. The bottom line is that unless someone on the Internet recognises the names or you can pinpoint the area you have a tough job. Did these people emigrate and when and to where. If you know that you might find the ship they were on. How far back do your records go ? What! religion were they ? Is there a pattern to the family Christian names? You will likely only get help on the internet if you provide ALL the information you have rather than just the names. Good luck !

All of our WEIR records state that our Thomas WEIR was from Orange Co. Ireland. Is there such a county, or does this refer to a specific county, politically speaking? Just wondering. Hope I didn't offend anyone by asking this. No offense meant. S. Weir

I don't know if this helps at all. There is of course no Orange Co. in Ireland. There is an Orange County in Southern California. I knew a Weir family who used to live in Fullerton which is in Orange Co. here in So. Calif. Perhaps that can help.There's a lot of Weirs in the Six Counties. Kathleen Northridge, California ----- Original Message ----- From: John /Sandy/Gera Weir <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: [ULSTER] Orange County > All of our WEIR records state that our Thomas WEIR was from Orange Co. Ireland. Is there such a county, or does this refer to a specific county, politically speaking? > Just wondering. Hope I didn't offend anyone by asking this. No offense meant. > S. Weir > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Your Ulster based genealogical homepage( any county )can be listed here by request. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carrickfergus Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/267.167.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Lucille, There is some confusion. I have done my family research and was only trying to help you with yours.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carrickfergus Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/267.167.2.1 Message Board Post: Lucille, I know where Carrickfergus is - my family are from there and I know it like the back of my hand. I'm not sure what you mean by,"do you have any surnames?". Which surnames are you looking for ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Haire Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/267.167.1.1 Message Board Post: I have gone through the gravestone inscriptions in the Presbyterian, Church of Ireland and Roman Catholic cemeteries in Carrickfergus and surrounding parishes and no Haire's are listed. Are you certain this was the area ? Hare and O'Hare are names more associated with Co. Armagh than Antrim. Do you have any documents which suggest or name Carrickfergus ? Perhaps you should get Bartholomew's Ulster map and get parish lists from other nearby towns from the LDS library. I think you will need to narrow things down a it more.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Russell/Newry/Rostrevor/Ardglass and Downpatrick Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/204.319.324.1 Message Board Post: 1886 Directory or Newry Russell Hugh, Magherasaul, farmer J.H., Clerk, 18 Kilmorey St. Magistrates Charles Russell, King's Castle, Ardglass George Russell, Cloughey, Downpatrick Rostrevor Patrick Russell, farmer, Ballymoney Townland. I'm not certain if the Charles Russell listed above was Sir Charles Russel,Russell of Killowen or not. The directory does not give him a title and anyway in 1856 he moved to Dublin. Most likely, however, he was related to George of Downpatrick and Charles of Ardglass.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Toner, Belfast Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/405.1 Message Board Post: The 1843 Directory for Belfast lists a Patrick Toner, Provision Store, 165 North Street. Possibly he is a brother or father of William ? There is also a Charles Tonner, Jobbing Smith of 7 Falls Road. Toner comes from O Tomhrair from a Norse personal name. This family of the Cinel Eoghain possessed property on the banks of the Foyle River and later moved into Co. Derry. It has always been numerous in Ulster, particularly now in Counties Armagh and Derry (MacLysaght - Irish surnames).

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Russell, Rostrevor Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/204.74.82 Message Board Post: Bassett's 1886 Directory for Down/Rostrevor lists Patrick Russell of the Townland of Ballymoney, a farmer. There is no Lord Russell listed. Rostrevor was originally called Castle Rory after the founder, a member of the Magennis clan. It acquired its present name through the marriage of Rose, daughter of Sir Marmaduke Whitechurch, with Trevor, Viscount Dungannon of Rostrevor. The only other nobleman with property in Rostrevor seems to be the Hon. A.S.G.Canning. Two magistrates are listed: John Ross of Bladensburg in Rostrevor House, Robert of the same address. There is also a Charles Russell of King's Castle, Ardglass. Because one has the same family name as a nobleman does not mean there is a family connection unless there is good documentary evidence.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carrickfergus/Newtownards/ Bangor Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/267.167 Message Board Post: What is the family name you are looking for in the C'fergus and Newtownards area ? What years / Which centuries ? More detailed information would be a help as I have information on both Carrick and N'ards.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cameron/Hunsdale/ Belfast Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/471.1 Message Board Post: Henderson's 1843 Directory for Belfast Cameron John of Sinclair & Cameron - Residence, 42 Upper Quen St. James, jun., Patent Lead Pipe Manufacturer, Brass Foundry and Lead Merchant, 47 Donegall St. James, sen., 47 Donegall St. Alexander, White-Smith, 4 Hudson's Entry. No Hunsdales listed. Likely came from a different locality. The name suggests the North of England. It is not listed as an Irish surname.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mansar surname Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DYC.2ACE/464.1 Message Board Post: There is an Irish surname "Mansergh" which originally came from a place name in Cumberland and has been asociated with Tipperary and Cork since the 17th.C