just read all of this, it is very sad all this has happened ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [ULSTER] Re: Irish ancestors : From William The Greatest !!! > It's not always easy to remember we are into genealogy. We can > acknowledge that in the past there was politics, but current politics > has no place on a genealogy and history list. > > Many of us have grandfathers from Scotland, Wales, England and > Ireland.........I am just one > of those. I shudder to think what their politics were, but I love them > all the same. > > Bill's tirade came through the Ulster query board and was immediately > deleted, but it went to the list at the speed of light. > > I find no redeeming value to his message and he has not responded to a > personal message. > That is why discussion of that unfortunate matter is banned on this > list. > > Don, Admin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [ULSTER] Re: Irish ancestors : From William The Greatest > !!! > > > > I am guessing that Bill is a Presbyterian and still in Ireland. Has > he not > > heard that they just found out that The Scot's were part of the Irish > family > > at one time? He is really in a bad way. > > My Family came to America in 1793 and fought at Boyne, to my > shame > > were Orange men I feel their sins upon me and I had nothing to do with > it > > all. Please let me ask forgiveness for my Mc Fadden's in the Part > they had > > in doing any harm to anyone. > > I have no ax to grind, no complaints to give, I just wish that > the > > garbage that he has would stop here in America also. Give it > different names > > and places and the hate still goes on. One of the worst in the USA > was and > > is the KKK, they sound just like Bill. Just other groups. What was > that "he > > will visit the sins of the fathers upon the 10th generation before > > forgiveness comes? Good grief please put an end to this mess over > there. I > > know there is false pride there. Be what you may. > > Is there any Christians that really do forgive each other and > turn the > > other cheek. > > I am of your stock and am your cousin and plead for you to make up and > let it > > go. > > Fred Mc Fadden USA > > > > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > > Original Ulster Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irluie2/ > > IGP Project Home Page: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > Official County Tyrone Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirtyr3/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02 > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Original Ulster Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irluie2/ > IGP Project Home Page: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > Official County Tyrone Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirtyr3/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am guessing that Bill is a Presbyterian and still in Ireland. Has he not heard that they just found out that The Scot's were part of the Irish family at one time? He is really in a bad way. My Family came to America in 1793 and fought at Boyne, to my shame were Orange men I feel their sins upon me and I had nothing to do with it all. Please let me ask forgiveness for my Mc Fadden's in the Part they had in doing any harm to anyone. I have no ax to grind, no complaints to give, I just wish that the garbage that he has would stop here in America also. Give it different names and places and the hate still goes on. One of the worst in the USA was and is the KKK, they sound just like Bill. Just other groups. What was that "he will visit the sins of the fathers upon the 10th generation before forgiveness comes? Good grief please put an end to this mess over there. I know there is false pride there. Be what you may. Is there any Christians that really do forgive each other and turn the other cheek. I am of your stock and am your cousin and plead for you to make up and let it go. Fred Mc Fadden USA

It actually works better if you don't forward the email that was objectionable.

It's not always easy to remember we are into genealogy. We can acknowledge that in the past there was politics, but current politics has no place on a genealogy and history list. Many of us have grandfathers from Scotland, Wales, England and Ireland.........I am just one of those. I shudder to think what their politics were, but I love them all the same. Bill's tirade came through the Ulster query board and was immediately deleted, but it went to the list at the speed of light. I find no redeeming value to his message and he has not responded to a personal message. That is why discussion of that unfortunate matter is banned on this list. Don, Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [ULSTER] Re: Irish ancestors : From William The Greatest !!! > I am guessing that Bill is a Presbyterian and still in Ireland. Has he not > heard that they just found out that The Scot's were part of the Irish family > at one time? He is really in a bad way. > My Family came to America in 1793 and fought at Boyne, to my shame > were Orange men I feel their sins upon me and I had nothing to do with it > all. Please let me ask forgiveness for my Mc Fadden's in the Part they had > in doing any harm to anyone. > I have no ax to grind, no complaints to give, I just wish that the > garbage that he has would stop here in America also. Give it different names > and places and the hate still goes on. One of the worst in the USA was and > is the KKK, they sound just like Bill. Just other groups. What was that "he > will visit the sins of the fathers upon the 10th generation before > forgiveness comes? Good grief please put an end to this mess over there. I > know there is false pride there. Be what you may. > Is there any Christians that really do forgive each other and turn the > other cheek. > I am of your stock and am your cousin and plead for you to make up and let it > go. > Fred Mc Fadden USA > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Original Ulster Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irluie2/ > IGP Project Home Page: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > Official County Tyrone Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirtyr3/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02

I am truly sorry. I was so angry I forgot to erase the message before hitting send. I don't have a clue why Bill attacked the list that way. Anyway, this closes that discussion. Don --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02

Listers, the board post that was just gatewayed to this list has been deleted, and Bill who sent the message is blocked. I apologize for the vulgarities that made it's way to this list. Don Kelly, List admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: Irish ancestors : From William The Greatest !!! > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Bible > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYC.2ACE/718.1 > > Message Board Post: > > To all the fucken 'mics', the Greatest of all kings will kick the shit out of tour fucken asses, same as I did long time ago, if you forgot all about the "BOYNE", it is time to remind you again ....... It is time to teach you another lesson, you MOTHER FUCKERS !!! you never learn the lesson, next lesson will be THE HARDEST to be forgetten. > > Get ready, mother fuckers shit 'mics' , it will be a bloody one. > > William Of Orange. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02

Hi , I have launched a new free website containing census records, valuations, and town directories listing all the people who resided in the Lurgan area, including Shankill, Seagoe and the Montiaghs parishes from the 17th century right up to the 1901 census. The site has a search engine in it to ensure quick and prompt research. It also gas many photos old and new of the area and maps giving the old townlands of the area. You can find the site at the address below www.lurganancestry.net Many Thanks, Martin McGoldrick

Hi Martin: Congratulations on a great website. I found a "rely" (John McGirr) in the 1901 Census which says that there were 9 people living in the house at the time of the Census. Is there any way to obtain the names, ages and relationships of those 9 people? Garth MacGirr Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: [ULSTER] Lurgan Ancestry > Hi , > I have launched a new free website containing census records, valuations, and town directories listing all the people who resided in the Lurgan area, including Shankill, Seagoe and the Montiaghs parishes from the 17th century right up to the 1901 census. > The site has a search engine in it to ensure quick and prompt research. It also gas many photos old and new of the area and maps giving the old townlands of the area. You can find the site at the address below > > www.lurganancestry.net > > Many Thanks, Martin McGoldrick > > > ==== IRL-ULSTER Mailing List ==== > Remember that Ireland boundaries for counties, dioceses, townlands, etc, and other divisions in the old days changed several times. When searching for records, be sure to check in more than one county. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

One of my ancestors came from 'Glas Drumond in the County of Down' - or that's how her convict record describes her birthplace. Can anyone locate this for me, please. Thanks, Christopher Dr Christopher Riley Manager, Information Services Elizabeth College 256 Elizabeth Street Hobart Tasmania 7000 Australia Phone: (03) 6235 6524 Fax: (03) 6231 3046

Try IreAtlas at www.seanraud.com It is just the place you need, and you can do it your self. And will be tickled to know about it. Past the site on when you can help anyone. Fred Mc Fadden

Hi list, Posting my interests again: PETER KELLY M MARGARET HALL/HEALE- IRELAND. (married Co.Down?) daughter MARGARET LYLE KELLY m ROBERT McCAIG. JOHN McKEAG/McCAIG m AGNES BRANDON son ROBERT McCAIG m JANET TURNER (both born Co.Down) All married in Ireland except MARGARET LYLE KELLY & ROBERT McCAIG m in Scotland 1866 Old Monkland. anyone recognise these families? ELIZABETH McCAIG REID.. researching: FEILEY. KELLY.HEALE/HALE/FALEY.-Co.DOWN KENNEDY.YOUNG.HENDRY.- LONDONDERRY/LIMAVADY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

The only way to begin Ulster research is at the beginning. You start with yourself and work backwards. You get every record for you parents, Grandparents, G-Grandparents, etc. and hope that some record will give you a townland. If you had an unusual surname, you could settle for a county. But Steele is not that unusual. The minimum you need is County. Records that showed my G-Grandparent's place of birth in Ireland include: SSDI for two of the children, the delayed birth record for my Grandfather and my G-Grandfather's obit which ended with the sentence "Newtownards and Belfast papers please copy", and both my G-Grandparent's death certs. If your direct line doesn't record this data, research a collateral line. A brother or sister may have recorded in any number of records the birthplace of her parents. Sandra

Is there any more information that you could give us to help ? Place, names,dates, Townlands or whatever ? r

Hello All, I was recently given information compiled by my great uncle who traced a major branch of my family, the Steeles to Ulster. Exactly where, I don't know. Is there anyone who might be able to help me fill in the blanks or know any avenues I might investigate to explore this more deeply? Many Thanks, Katherine Rollins

Our Northern Ireland adventure is over, the answers found and it is time to move on; to Stirling in Scotland with the prospect of new "finds"and more adventures. For almost six years I have researched the Presbyterian Ulsterman and in doing so found four obscure out of print publications that should be included in every library. Before my focus changes to Scottish research I am offering to interested researchers ONE last time the opportunity to purchase (cost of copies and postage) the following items. All items have either expired copyrite provisions or in the case of the Hagy thesis I have the authors permission to reproduce the document. They are: The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905, 1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A. member of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson & McCormack, 54 King St. 211 pages. On our trip we met JB Shannon age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting and he was a window to the past. He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and says they are still the BEST source for Ulster presbyterian research. From Lecky I quote, "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name, or live in the same places...." If I send this post to your list it means your surname is listed in the appendix. Cost: $25.00 Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period 1688-1691, by William R. Young, 1932, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London 350 pages. Contains the following biographical sketches: (1500) 1. The leaders of the County Associations, who with their levies took part in the Preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence. 2. The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688. 3. The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege (over 1200 genealogical sketches) 4. Those engaged in the relief of the city. One of the most difficult sources to locate, in fact almost impossible. Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy. Cost: $25.00 A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskillen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical Notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Dicese of Derry. Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord Macaulay, Toronto, 1869 The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from. Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others that I have seen. 311 pages Cost: $25.00 Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, A thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee St. University in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages. The most popular of the documents offered it covers the families who settled in Russell county, Virginia when it was considered the frontier. If your ancestors came through southwest Virginia this document is the history of your family. Contains information of specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there. Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier. Names like Russell, Walker, Porter, Cowan, Houston, Boone, Montgomery, Fraley, Thompson, Anderson, Kilgore and 50 or so other "Scotch-irish" families make this an invaluable resourch for your family history. Cost: $25.00 I only post these offerings to a tiny fraction of the lists and only to those lists where your surnames are mentioned. After I make the offering I insubscribe because my e-mail box will fill up in about ten minutes. I am always on the Cowan and Wigton-Walker lists and you can e-mail me at [email protected] and ask any question you like. I will always attempt to answer your questions although it is unlikey I hold the key to who your great grandma was. If you are interested in the results of our trip to Donegal and Belfast please check the COWAN-L archives and you will see the posts we made during the last week or so. Thanks for your interest and I hope making this information available has helped some of you. I always enjoy getting e-mails from fellow researches. Also a big thanks to those of you who sent family information to us before our trip. It was appreciated and a special thanks to Alex Latta from Canada who turned us on to James Fleming. The trip would not have been the same without that piece of the puzzle. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105 (704)847-4081

I am researching the surname CLATHWORTHY from the Londonderry areas of Bellaghy, Castledawson, Magherafelt, Mullaghboy. JAMES BROWN born 1871 in Bellaghy, son of JOHN BROWNE and MARGARET JANE nee BLAIR named his youngest daughter ANNETTE CLATHWORTHY BROWN. ALSO SEAWRIGHT JOHNSTON and HENRY McERLEN were executors of the last will of Robert Blair who farmed at Mullaghboy and died c 1906-8. Robert left his property to his wife JULIA and sons GIDEON, ROBERT and JAMES. It interests me in my research for the possible connection between these families. TIA Val New Zealand

If you are pretty well versed in research of Irish or Scots-Irish and are yearning to stretch your writing abilities, please let me know. I'm looking for Success Stories on personal research for the newsletter. Thank you. Denise Wells IRL-CAVAN RW mail listowner Editor, The Irish Everywhere Newsletter - subscribe by sending email to [email protected] Cos. Cavan & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator http://www.irelandgenweb.com

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Just wanted to let everyone know that the new Irish newsletter name has been changed from The Irish Chronicles to: The Irish Eveywhere Newsletter You can still subscribe to this new FREE newsletter on the County Cavan or County Longford webpages. The subscriber information will soon be located on a new page. At that time the Cavan and Longford pages will redirect you to that new url for the newsletter as soon as the initial webpage is completed for The Irish Everywhere. I'm very excitedly looking forward to sending out the first issue on July 1, with a possible teaser mini-newsletter coming out about June 15th. There are some Irish Festivals that I want everyone to know about in case you'll want to attend them, and they will be included in the June 15th mini-issue. I'm planning additional items to be located on The Irish Everywhere webpage, along with the newsletters eventually being placed online for your viewing pleasure. The online versions will not be placed on the page until the following month's newsletter is mailed. So, once we get in full momentum, say, the July 1 newsletter should be setup on the webpage by approximately August 1, when the August issue should be going out. I welcome suggestions for the newsletter or for the webpage. I know that many of you out there are much more accomplished at this type of thing than I, and I'm learning much along the way. To those who have already subscribed, thank you. It is not necessary to resubscribe to the new title. You are on the subscriber list if you have previously subscribed. If you haven't subscribed to the newsletter yet, you can find the subscriber information located at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/~cavan/cavan.html or http://www.irelandgenweb.com/~longford/longford.html Thank you, and remember, if you are an author, or fancy yourself one, please feel free to submit an article for consideration in upcoming issues. Denise Wells IRL-CAVAN RW mail listowner Editor, The Irish Everywhere Newsletter - subscribe by sending email to [email protected] Cos. Cavan & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator http://www.irelandgenweb.com

Greetings everyone, About three days from now the IGP counter will roll over to 150,000 visitors. If you happen to be that visitor, please copy the page showing the count and send it to me by attachment at [email protected] If you wish, please send a photograph with it. You will be honored on a special page that will be kept up to honor visitors number 200,000, 250,000 and so on. Visit the webpage at http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ Thank you for visiting Ireland Genealogy Projects. Donald O'Collaugh Kelly National Coordinator Ireland Genealogy Projects, IGP TM URL= http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02