Dear Cindy, Thank you for your extensive compilation of data. I concluded very quickly that there was no intimate links between our families. I think mine are the ones listed in the TAB as living in the Catholic Parish of New Inn as Donnell, without the O'. However a paid researcher was not able to find them in the Parish Register there. Men's given names indicate a long line of Patricks and Denis's, which does not suggest any connection to your ling However, there are a Margaret and an Ellen, which hint of some common ancestor for our lines. I have looked at an extract of Bansha P R and could not link my people to any in that register. So, there it sits, unless some big piece of linking evidence falls into my lap. Another tantalizing bit of history is that my O'Donnells settled for a few years in New Jersey, and then moved too Illinois, settling near Winchester, where many descendants now live. Pat ========================================================= In a message dated 5/27/2012 3:22:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cindysmithrocks@me.com writes: Pat, I attach below my notes on my ancestors. Please take a look and see if there is any fit. We don't have any Patricks that I know of, but New Inn has certainly come up in my research. Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell were my great grandparents. She was from the Bansha/Kilmoyler area. I'm still trying to locate him, and also a Richard O'Donnell who was listed as a sponsor on their daughter, Ellen's, birth certificate in the Ballylooby area. Let me know if you sense any match. Cindy Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell Andrew O'Donnell Born 1805 (or 1806 or 1810?) in County Tipperary 1849 emigrated with wife and 4 children to US (appears in 1850 Illinois census) May 14, 1889 died in LaSalle County, IL, at 83 years old (?) Married January 31, 1837, in Bansha/Kilmoyler parish to Margaret O'Donnell Margaret O'Donnell's Baptismal Certificate (from Tipperary Family History Research center) Margaret O'Donnell August 6, 1821 Bansha/Kilmoyler parish Address: Ballydrehid Father: O'Donnell Brien Mother: Lonergan Margaret Sponsor: MacGrath William and Butler Biddy Register 1820/005 In Father O'Dwyer's parish records in Bansha, I found the entry with this information: Father: Brian Donnell Mother: Lonergan Mary Marriage Certificate (from Tipperary Family History Research center) Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell January 31, 1837 in Bansha/Kilmoyler parish Register reference 1837/0 Witnessed by: O'Donnell Brian Ryan In Father O'Dwyer's parish records in Bansha, I found the entry with this information: Mgt Donnell Present: Thos. Donnell, Brian Donnell, Wm Ryan Children 1. Mary Agnes, born 1839/40 in County Tipperary (I believe she had a child named Ellen) 2. Hannah or Johanna, born 1841 in County Tipperary 3. John, born 1844 in County Tipperary 4. Catherine, born 1845 in County Tipperary (all of the above children died in Illinois) 5. Michael, born 1851 in Ottawa, IL (my great grandfather) 6. James, born 1858 7. Thomas, born 1861 Ellen O'Donnell Birth and Baptismal Certificate (from parish priest of Ballylooby) Ellen O'Donnell, baptized in Catholic Church on Nov. 8, 1845, in Church of St. Kerian and Our Lady. Parents: Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell. Sponsors: Richard O'Donnell and Catherine Clifford. Diocese of Waterford and Lismore, Parish of Ballylooby and Duhill. Is this Ellen child no. 4 Catherine above?? Notes 1. 1850 Illinois census, Margaret and Andrew were staying with a Margaret Dobbins in Illinois. A Bridget Dobbins Condon, buried in Ottawa, IL, indicates she is from Clomore (Clanmore?), and other O'Donnels in Ottawa were from Cahir, but a prior researcher said they are not related to my O'Donnells, but we're not sure. 2. I found an 1821 census fragment found online, parish of Newchapel, townland of Clenham ? (Ballyclerahan?), an Andrew Donnell (aged 50) and wife Ellen, and children Ed, John Andrew (aged 21), Joseph, Michael and Thomas. 3. In the Index to Griffith's Valuation, there are 3 Andrew O'Donnells and no Andrew Donnells: 1) parish Caher, location Rathmore, 2) Tullaghmelan, Oldgrange, and 3) Whitechurch and Poulaculleare. 4. Seems to me it can't be too difficult to locate the birth/baptismal certificates of 4 children born in County Tipperary. Seems we should try Cahir, Rathmore, Newchapel, Ballylooby areas for starters. 5. Also locating the birth/marriage/death certificate of Brian O'Donnell and Margaret Lonergan of Ballydrehid for further information on Margaret. In my notes from LaSalle County, IL, I see a Margaret Lonergan died in Ireland (never emigrated) on April 17, 1845. Could this be her mother?? 6. I'm also interested in passenger records and naturalization. Cindy Canon City, CO On May 26, 2012, at 9:01 PM, JWDoyleJr@aol.com wrote: > Cindy, > > Without even looking at what you posted on Pat's site, I'm firing off a > message to let you know I'm interested in the family of Patrick O'Donnell and > wife Mary Carey of ?Cashel, or ?Golden, or ?New Inn. I'm struggling with > clues, but no proofs. > > Pat ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84& cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry our connection didn't work out. Good luck! Cindy On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:36 AM, JWDoyleJr@aol.com wrote: > Dear Cindy, > > Thank you for your extensive compilation of data. I concluded very > quickly that there was no intimate links between our families. I think mine are > the ones listed in the TAB as living in the Catholic Parish of New Inn as > Donnell, without the O'. However a paid researcher was not able to find > them in the Parish Register there. Men's given names indicate a long line of > Patricks and Denis's, which does not suggest any connection to your ling > However, there are a Margaret and an Ellen, which hint of some common > ancestor for our lines. I have looked at an extract of Bansha P R and could not > link my people to any in that register. So, there it sits, unless some big > piece of linking evidence falls into my lap. > > Another tantalizing bit of history is that my O'Donnells settled for a few > years in New Jersey, and then moved too Illinois, settling near Winchester, > where many descendants now live. > > Pat > > ========================================================= > > > In a message dated 5/27/2012 3:22:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > cindysmithrocks@me.com writes: > > Pat, > > I attach below my notes on my ancestors. Please take a look and see if > there is any fit. We don't have any Patricks that I know of, but New Inn has > certainly come up in my research. > > Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell were my great grandparents. She > was from the Bansha/Kilmoyler area. I'm still trying to locate him, and > also a Richard O'Donnell who was listed as a sponsor on their daughter, > Ellen's, birth certificate in the Ballylooby area. > > Let me know if you sense any match. > > Cindy > > Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell > > Andrew O'Donnell > > Born 1805 (or 1806 or 1810?) in County Tipperary > > 1849 emigrated with wife and 4 children to US (appears in 1850 Illinois > census) > > May 14, 1889 died in LaSalle County, IL, at 83 years old (?) > > Married January 31, 1837, in Bansha/Kilmoyler parish to Margaret O'Donnell > > Margaret O'Donnell's Baptismal Certificate (from Tipperary Family History > Research center) > > Margaret O'Donnell > > August 6, 1821 > > Bansha/Kilmoyler parish > > Address: Ballydrehid > > Father: O'Donnell Brien > > Mother: Lonergan Margaret > > Sponsor: MacGrath William and Butler Biddy > > Register 1820/005 > > > > In Father O'Dwyer's parish records in Bansha, I found the entry with this > information: > > Father: Brian Donnell > > Mother: Lonergan Mary > > Marriage Certificate (from Tipperary Family History Research center) > > Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret O'Donnell > > January 31, 1837 in Bansha/Kilmoyler parish > > Register reference 1837/0 > > Witnessed by: O'Donnell Brian Ryan > > > > In Father O'Dwyer's parish records in Bansha, I found the entry with this > information: > > Mgt Donnell > > Present: Thos. Donnell, Brian Donnell, Wm Ryan > > Children > > 1. Mary Agnes, born 1839/40 in County Tipperary > > (I believe she had a child named Ellen) > > 2. Hannah or Johanna, born 1841 in County Tipperary > > 3. John, born 1844 in County Tipperary > > 4. Catherine, born 1845 in County Tipperary > > (all of the above children died in Illinois) > > 5. Michael, born 1851 in Ottawa, IL (my great grandfather) > > 6. James, born 1858 > > 7. Thomas, born 1861 > > Ellen O'Donnell Birth and Baptismal Certificate (from parish priest of > Ballylooby) > > Ellen O'Donnell, baptized in Catholic Church on Nov. 8, 1845, in Church of > St. Kerian and Our Lady. Parents: Andrew O'Donnell and Margaret > O'Donnell. Sponsors: Richard O'Donnell and Catherine Clifford. Diocese of > Waterford and Lismore, Parish of Ballylooby and Duhill. Is this Ellen child no. > 4 Catherine above?? > > Notes > > 1. 1850 Illinois census, Margaret and Andrew were staying with a Margaret > Dobbins in Illinois. A Bridget Dobbins Condon, buried in Ottawa, IL, > indicates she is from Clomore (Clanmore?), and other O'Donnels in Ottawa were > from Cahir, but a prior researcher said they are not related to my > O'Donnells, but we're not sure. > > 2. I found an 1821 census fragment found online, parish of Newchapel, > townland of Clenham ? (Ballyclerahan?), an Andrew Donnell (aged 50) and wife > Ellen, and children Ed, John Andrew (aged 21), Joseph, Michael and Thomas. > > 3. In the Index to Griffith's Valuation, there are 3 Andrew O'Donnells > and no Andrew Donnells: 1) parish Caher, location Rathmore, 2) Tullaghmelan, > Oldgrange, and 3) Whitechurch and Poulaculleare. > > 4. Seems to me it can't be too difficult to locate the birth/baptismal > certificates of 4 children born in County Tipperary. Seems we should try > Cahir, Rathmore, Newchapel, Ballylooby areas for starters. > > 5. Also locating the birth/marriage/death certificate of Brian O'Donnell > and Margaret Lonergan of Ballydrehid for further information on Margaret. > In my notes from LaSalle County, IL, I see a Margaret Lonergan died in > Ireland (never emigrated) on April 17, 1845. Could this be her mother?? > > 6. I'm also interested in passenger records and naturalization. > > Cindy > Canon City, CO > > > On May 26, 2012, at 9:01 PM, JWDoyleJr@aol.com wrote: > >> Cindy, >> >> Without even looking at what you posted on Pat's site, I'm firing off a >> message to let you know I'm interested in the family of Patrick > O'Donnell and >> wife Mary Carey of ?Cashel, or ?Golden, or ?New Inn. I'm struggling > with >> clues, but no proofs. >> >> Pat > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84& > cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The area of Tipperary/Kilkenny/Laois are a focus within my new book, "From the Old Sod to the Naugatuck Valley: Early Irish Catholics in New Haven County, Connecticut." For those in the vicinity, I will do a book signing next Thursday at the Naugatuck Historical Society, Naugatuck, Connecticut, at 6 p.m. More information may be found on my blog: www.mahermatters.com The book will be available through amazon.com; distributors may contact info@apprentichouse.com Thank you, Janet Maher