Good morning Mary, What a nice surprise this morning to see a little more of the Irish countryside, and the old burial grounds. Thank you for putting that on the net. In some of the older country towns in Australia, we have graveyards like that, and some that are not well looked after, at all ! But, in most of our country, with our much lower rainfall and greater summer heat than Ireland gets, we don't have the vivid green grass that you have. However, we do have good ski fields, especially when we have very cold winters! I have finally come to the conclusion that if Denis Hogan, my Tipperary County convict deported to Australia ca. 1833, wanted me to know about his family, he would have put some clues out for me by now! Denis married Margaret Carey, who possibly came from Cork, and Margaret arrived here through a special scheme to bring young women to this country, as it was overflowing with males. There is a very good book written about the early Female Migration Schemes to Australia, "Single and Free", by Elizabeth Rushen. Through their two sons, James and John, Denis and Margaret Hogan had 13 grand-children by John who is my line, and a similar number from his first son, James, and over the umpteen years I have been researching my family lines, I have only been contacted by one person from my Irish ancestry - here in Australia, and she is also connected to my English convicts. Denis and Margaret Hogan also had a daughter Mary, b. 1845, and I think she went into a convent - no further knowledge, and another son Timothy, b. 1848 who died about 1856. What does leave me wondering is, if Denis has family still in Ireland? Or indeed, if other Hogan family members came here later as immigrants, or if they all died out in a "plague". Or they went to America, or even "just died out" before family history became the "big thing to do", especially from the Australian perspective. Are Irish folk interested in family history, or is the interest only coming from the Australian, or Canadian, New Zealand, South African, United States, family history folk - i.e. New World, and Newer World, looking back at the Old World. Even in my childhood, no one spoke of convict ancestors, and when I became involved with family history, my mother was horrified, as she did not want my sister and I to know we had "convict blood" in us - father and son Robert and William Marjoram from Suffolk, and Denis Hogan from Tipperary (all on my father's side). As well as our Irish ancestry, my sister and I have English, Welsh, Scots, Channel Is. and French ancestry, through immigration to here starting in the 1800s, so our grandchildren are a bit like a "good mixed-fruit pudding", as are so many other Australians, especially after all the modern migration here, mainly after the Second World War. My daughter's husband is the descendent of 12 convicts, including a First Fleeter, and some Second Fleeters - mine were later-comers by comparison! Enjoy your day - its lovely and sunny and quite mild here on the shores of Lake Macquarie. Elizabeth Walker. On 28/03/2012 12:16 AM, Mary Heaphy wrote: > http://www.historicgraves.ie/ >

Hello Elizabeth, I read from your post that one of the daughters became a nun, have you contacted the archivist for the Order? Over the years I have a need to locate the archivist for a few different Orders and the information has been informative. To my knowledge, every Order has an archivist, so why not give it a try? My maternal grandfather had 3 first cousins who were priests, and one of them was a Franciscan. It wasn't until I happen to talk to a customer of mine a few years ago that I discovered that Our Santa Barbara Mission was the epi-center for the Western and Asian Pacific archive for the Franciscan Order, and of all things, this one cousin had been a missionary in China at the turn of the 20th century. I called and talked to the archivist and told him the name I was researching and he said he had a file and invited to the Mission to look through the papers and pictures, and I could bring my scanner and laptop if I chose. What a wonderful 2 hours I had. Good luck to you, Mary Santa Barbara PS. I have Careys and I still have not pinned them down in Tipperary - yet. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Walker <lizrose@tpg.com.au> To: irl-tipperary <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Re Graveyards + Hogan Good morning Mary, What a nice surprise this morning to see a little more of the Irish ountryside, and the old burial grounds. Thank you for putting that on he net. In some of the older country towns in Australia, we have raveyards like that, and some that are not well looked after, at all But, in most of our country, with our much lower rainfall and reater summer heat than Ireland gets, we don't have the vivid green rass that you have. However, we do have good ski fields, especially hen we have very cold winters! I have finally come to the conclusion that if Denis Hogan, my Tipperary ounty convict deported to Australia ca. 1833, wanted me to know about is family, he would have put some clues out for me by now! Denis arried Margaret Carey, who possibly came from Cork, and Margaret rrived here through a special scheme to bring young women to this ountry, as it was overflowing with males. There is a very good book ritten about the early Female Migration Schemes to Australia, "Single nd Free", by Elizabeth Rushen. Through their two sons, James and John, Denis and Margaret Hogan had 13 rand-children by John who is my line, and a similar number from his irst son, James, and over the umpteen years I have been researching my amily lines, I have only been contacted by one person from my Irish ncestry - here in Australia, and she is also connected to my English onvicts. Denis and Margaret Hogan also had a daughter Mary, b. 1845, nd I think she went into a convent - no further knowledge, and another on Timothy, b. 1848 who died about 1856. What does leave me wondering is, if Denis has family still in Ireland? r indeed, if other Hogan family members came here later as immigrants, r if they all died out in a "plague". Or they went to America, or ven "just died out" before family history became the "big thing to do", specially from the Australian perspective. Are Irish folk nterested in family history, or is the interest only coming from the ustralian, or Canadian, New Zealand, South African, United States, amily history folk - i.e. New World, and Newer World, looking back at he Old World. Even in my childhood, no one spoke of convict ancestors, and when I ecame involved with family history, my mother was horrified, as she did ot want my sister and I to know we had "convict blood" in us - father nd son Robert and William Marjoram from Suffolk, and Denis Hogan from ipperary (all on my father's side). As well as our Irish ancestry, my ister and I have English, Welsh, Scots, Channel Is. and French ncestry, through immigration to here starting in the 1800s, so our randchildren are a bit like a "good mixed-fruit pudding", as are so any other Australians, especially after all the modern migration here, ainly after the Second World War. My daughter's husband is the escendent of 12 convicts, including a First Fleeter, and some Second leeters - mine were later-comers by comparison! Enjoy your day - its lovely and sunny and quite mild here on the shores f Lake Macquarie. Elizabeth Walker. n 28/03/2012 12:16 AM, Mary Heaphy wrote: http://www.historicgraves.ie/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ipperary Queries ttp://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message