Dear Geralyn: First of all, my thanks for your history lesson on the silk mills! Yes, those are my relatives. My grandfather, Edward Donnelly was first a loom fixer (that's how he invented the loom lock (though he wasn't given the patent...that went to the mill.) Margaret was my mother, Edward worked for Duponts (T.V.s when it was invented) Francis became a politician and inn owner in California, and John (the baby) just passed away at 82 years old. Yes, the Thomas Donnellys first settled in Manchester, Hartford, Conn. where all the family worked in the silk mill...his wife, Mary Smith was from Belfast and was a lace weaver before they married. No, I don't have Edward & Catherines' marriage certificate. I believe they were married in Wortendyke, N.J.where my great-grandfather, John Cavanagh had a gentlemans farm. My mother was born there. John Cavanagh was a character...he ran away with Auntie Bells' "ladys' maid", Ellen Brennan, my great-grandmother. He was disowned for a few years but eventually Auntie Bell forgave and bought John a gentlemans farm in Wortendyke, N.J. They had 7 children: Catherine,b.Oct.1882, N.Y.C. Charles b, Aug, 1880, N.Y.C. Margaret,b.Nov. 1885, N.Y.C. Ellen, b.Mar. 1888, N.Y.C. Anastasia,b.Aug. 1890, Wortendyke, N.J. Maddeline b, March 1891, Wortendke, N.J. Grace,b.Nov.1896, Wortendyke, N.J. John was murdered by a thief many years later. I wish I knew just which parish our Cavanaghs were from. Because of the unusual circumstances (being taken in by the Bells) it's been difficult. I know that their mother was a sister to Auntie Bell. Auntie Bell had no children and was married to Charles Bell, a brother-in-law and 1st cousin to Alexander Graham Bell. I believe Charles Bells wifes' name was Grace Hubbard. The Bells and Hubbards were from Scotland which is probably why John was born there. I haven't been able to find anything yet...but I know her Will was in the N.Y.Library because my mother saw it. I hope by posting this that one of the descendants of Johns' siblings will recognize the circumstances and get in touch with me. Auntie Bell wanted all the siblings to enter the convent or seminary, so they all ran away when they were old enough. Charles disappeared to sea, I believe. Catherine married a New York actor and died young in poverty and the other two, I don't even know their names. It's interesting about your Kavanagh marrying a Donnelly from Paterson. There was another Donnelly family living in Paterson at the time my family was there. I, also would like to continue this off-line, for there is more but this already has been too long! Thank you for looking up the census' Geralyn, and for taking an interest. I'm grateful! Peace! Kathryn -------------- Original message -------------- From: Geralyn Barry <gbarry@proaxis.com> > Kathryn, have you found your Edward and Catherine (nee Cavanagh) > Donnelly in any US census records? How about her Cavanagh family? Do you > have a marriage record for Edward and Catherine? Did they marry in New > Jersey? > > In the 1920 census, I found a loom fixer (silk mill) named Edward > Donnelly with a wife Catherine who was a doubler (silk mill). With them > were children Margaret 14, Edward 12 and Francis ["daughter"] age 10. > The census listed the birthplace of the children as New Jersey. Edward > was 43 and born in Connecticut, and Catherine was 37 and born in New > York. They were living in the First Ward of Paterson. > > In 1930, they were living in the Second Ward of Paterson at 38 Redwood > Avenue with children Edward C. 22, Frances J. ["son"] 20 and John 8. > Edward was a foreman in the silk mill and Katherine's occupation was > "none". Edward worked in a radio store and Francis as a salesman in a > furniture store. > > I found the same family in Paterson in 1910 also. > > It appears that the Donnelly family worked in the silk mills of > Manchester, Connecticutt before they moved to Paterson. > > Are these your family? > > There was a Donnelly connection in my own family, although I don't know > if they are related to yours in any way. Annie Cavanagh (b. abt 1870 in > NJ) was the daughter of Stephen Cavanagh (b. 1838, brother of my > gg-gfather John Cavanagh b. 1825). Both were sons of Daniel Cavanagh and > Ellen (nee Keyes) from the civil parish of Killavinoge, Co. Tipperary > (along the Laois border). In 1902, Annie married George Beirne, son of > Michael Beirne and Eliza Donnelly, in Paterson. > > There was a connection by marriage between another Kavanagh family that > lived in Paterson and a Donnelly family. I'll continue this > correspondence offlist... > > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon > > kenorman22@comcast.net wrote: > > >My great-grandfather John Cavanagh,b.1852,(not sure if the family was from > Tipperary) was born in Scotland though his father was from Ireland. The siblings > were also born in Ireland. When the mother died, 5 Cavanagh siblings were taken > in by the Bell family of New York City...while John eventually moved to > Wortendyke, (Midland Park) New Jersey... his daughter, Catherine, worked as a > silk weaver in Paterson, N.J. I believe her siblings may have also. Catherine > married Edward Donnelly, whose father, Thomas Donnelly,b.1835 was from > Tipperary. All of the Donnelly siblings also worked in the silk mills in > Paterson, N. J. > > I have tried to research my Cavanaghs though it's been difficult. I know > that besides my great-grandfather, John, there was , Catherine & Charles ( the > other two names I don't know.) Perhaps there is nothing to this...but when you > mentioned Paterson, New Jersey, where my grandmother (Cavanagh) and grandfather > Donnelly settled. I believe the silk mills were the draw for these > families...for Paterson was the silk capitol of the world at this time. > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on > your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time > will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and > Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in > Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >