It appears that many young ladies were nailed by the Neils. No pun intended! Tom On Jan 21, 2006, at 4:02 AM, IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: #1 Roll Call - Carroll/Cleary ["Murray" <amurra5702@rogers.com>] #2 Re: [TIP] immigrants experience ["julia stillwell" <jstillwell2@cox] #3 DNA - Ireland [Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr] #4 Re: [TIP] immigrants experience ["Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.ne] #5 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.a] #6 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net] #7 Re: [TIP] immigrants experience ["julia stillwell" <jstillwell2@cox] #8 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.a] #9 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net] #10 (TIP) ROLL CALL - BULLENS/BULLINS ["Neil & Barbara Andersen" <neilbar] Administrivia: Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ Liz Murray ______________________________ My ggg Grandfather was John McNamee b. abt 1810 Fermanagh d. 1895 Ohio ggg Grandmother Catharine McCurren b. abt 1835 Ireland d. 1905 Ohio I know this family is not from Tipperary, however, I have found this list enjoyable and full of helpful, knowledgable people. Tipperary family I am searching for: John P. Powers b. 17 Oct. 1829 Carrick on Suir occupation Tanner. d. 1896 Salem, Mass. Julia . > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > ______________________________ The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many as one in twelve Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th- century warlord who was head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol emperor who conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million descendants, said Dan Bradley, who supervised the research. “It’s another link between profligacy and power,” Bradley told Reuters. “We’re the first generation on the planet where if you’re successful you don’t (always) have more children.” The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit Institute of Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on from fathers to sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. The results – which have been published in the American Journal of Human Genetics – showed the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where one in five males had the same Y chromosome. Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central Asia, where scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent studies found they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. “It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in Ireland and the best candidate for it was Niall,” Bradley said. His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with a contemporary list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last known relative of the “Ui Neill” dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the original sample, proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. “The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that genealogical group than any other group we tested,” said Bradley, whose surname is also linked to the medieval warlord. Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, Boyle, O’Donnell and O’Doherty. http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 Chris ______________________________ http://www3.sympatico.ca/juniper2/booklist2.html Take a look! Diane ______________________________ Regards, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > I thought this was interesting... > Scientists discover most fertile Irish male > DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the > country's most > fertile male, > with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. > > > The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that > as many > as one in twelve > Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th- > century > warlord who was > head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. > His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol > emperor who > conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million > descendants, said Dan > Bradley, who supervised the research. > "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told > Reuters. > "We're the first > generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) > have more > children." > The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the > Smurfit > Institute of > Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is > passed on > from fathers to > sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. > The results - which have been published in the American Journal of > Human > Genetics - showed > the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, > where one > in five males > had the same Y chromosome. > Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in > central > Asia, where > scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. > Subsequent > studies found > they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. > "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan > effect in > Ireland and the > best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. > His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them > with a > contemporary > list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the > last > known relative of > the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. > The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those > in the > original sample, > proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. > "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that > genealogical group > than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also > linked to the > medieval warlord. > Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include > Gallagher, > Boyle, O'Donnell > and O'Doherty. > http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? > ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > ______________________________ Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship was by marriage. Not even close. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > I thought this was interesting... > Scientists discover most fertile Irish male > DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the > country's most > fertile male, > with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. > > > The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that > as many > as one in twelve > Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th- > century > warlord who was > head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. > His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol > emperor who > conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million > descendants, said Dan > Bradley, who supervised the research. > "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told > Reuters. > "We're the first > generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) > have more > children." > The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the > Smurfit > Institute of > Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is > passed on > from fathers to > sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. > The results - which have been published in the American Journal of > Human > Genetics - showed > the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, > where one > in five males > had the same Y chromosome. > Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in > central > Asia, where > scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. > Subsequent > studies found > they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. > "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan > effect in > Ireland and the > best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. > His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them > with a > contemporary > list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the > last > known relative of > the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. > The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those > in the > original sample, > proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. > "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that > genealogical group > than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also > linked to the > medieval warlord. > Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include > Gallagher, > Boyle, O'Donnell > and O'Doherty. > http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? > ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > ______________________________ Julia McNamee-Stillwell Researching: McNamee, McCurren (Fermanagh); Powers, Cavanaugh ( Tipperary); Gearon ( Cork) ;McCabe, Quinn, O'Melia, Curran, Moylan (your guess is as good as mine); Boyle( Donegal) ;Hanagan ( Kildare); Henry (Sligo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] immigrants experience > There are several books by Carol Bennett who writes about the Irish > that > settled the > Ottawa Valley in Canada. While some of the information is specific to > that particular > group, a lot of her books set the stage for what was happening in > Ireland > and the > nightmare of the voyage to North America and trying to settle a new > land. > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/juniper2/booklist2.html > > Take a look! Diane > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > ______________________________ From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > I have followed this report with interest. > > Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. > > He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. > > That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. > > One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. > > My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship > was by > marriage. > > Not even close. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > > >> I thought this was interesting... >> Scientists discover most fertile Irish male >> DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's >> most fertile male, >> with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. >> >> >> The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that >> as many >> as one in twelve >> Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a >> 5th-century warlord who was >> head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. >> His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the >> Mongol >> emperor who >> conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million >> descendants, said Dan >> Bradley, who supervised the research. >> "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told >> Reuters. >> "We're the first >> generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't >> (always) >> have more >> children." >> The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the >> Smurfit Institute of >> Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is >> passed on >> from fathers to >> sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. >> The results - which have been published in the American Journal of >> Human >> Genetics - showed >> the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, >> where >> one in five males >> had the same Y chromosome. >> Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in >> central >> Asia, where >> scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. >> Subsequent >> studies found >> they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis >> Khan. >> "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan >> effect in >> Ireland and the >> best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. >> His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided >> them with >> a contemporary >> list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the >> last >> known relative of >> the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. >> The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those >> in the >> original sample, >> proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. >> "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that >> genealogical group >> than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also >> linked to the >> medieval warlord. >> Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include >> Gallagher, >> Boyle, O'Donnell >> and O'Doherty. >> http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? >> ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > > ______________________________ From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > Niall is said to have had 12 sons!! Not all people with the names > mentioned will be related to Niall. My own family relationship has > come > about through DNA, I was not even looking in that area. > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > > >> I have followed this report with interest. >> >> Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. >> >> He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. >> >> That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. >> >> One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. >> >> My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that >> relationship was >> by marriage. >> >> Not even close. >> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM >> Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland >> >> >>> I thought this was interesting... >>> Scientists discover most fertile Irish male >>> DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the >>> country's >>> most fertile male, >>> with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. >>> >>> >>> The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as >>> many as one in twelve >>> Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a >>> 5th-century warlord who was >>> head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. >>> His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the >>> Mongol >>> emperor who >>> conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million >>> descendants, said Dan >>> Bradley, who supervised the research. >>> "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told >>> Reuters. >>> "We're the first >>> generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't >>> (always) >>> have more >>> children." >>> The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the >>> Smurfit Institute of >>> Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is >>> passed on >>> from fathers to >>> sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. >>> The results - which have been published in the American Journal >>> of Human >>> Genetics - showed >>> the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, >>> where >>> one in five males >>> had the same Y chromosome. >>> Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in >>> central >>> Asia, where >>> scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. >>> Subsequent >>> studies found >>> they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis >>> Khan. >>> "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan >>> effect in >>> Ireland and the >>> best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. >>> His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided >>> them with >>> a contemporary >>> list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to >>> the last >>> known relative of >>> the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. >>> The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those >>> in the >>> original sample, >>> proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. >>> "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in >>> that >>> genealogical group >>> than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also >>> linked to the >>> medieval warlord. >>> Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include >>> Gallagher, >>> Boyle, O'Donnell >>> and O'Doherty. >>> http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? >>> ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 >>> >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> the original message important to your reply. >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This > means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; > 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > ______________________________ Hi I am searching for information on my husband's great great-grandmother, Ellen Bullens/Bullins who was born Ca1840 in Tipperary, father William Bullens, mother Ellen Scanlan. The family (William 40, Ellen 38, Edward 13, Ellen 12, Patrick 10, Mary 8 and Anora 6) arrived in Brisbane, Australia on 10.8.1852 on board the "Meridan". The passenger list shows the family name as Ballins. Another child Margaret arrived on 26.4.1863 on the "Warren Hastings". She was accompanied by her husband Cornelius Hanley and children John 8, William 5 and Cornelius 2. Thomas Cornelius was born at sea on 22.1.1863. Ellen Bullens/Bullins married Samuel Eaton, a convict who had arrived in Brisbane, Australia on 1.11.1849 on the "Mount Stewart Elphinstone". He was granted a ticket of leave on 11.3.1850. I have been unable to locate a marriage certificate for Samuel and Ellen. On their children's birth certificates they had given different dates for when they married. These range from Oct 1851 to Oct 1855. Ellen died on 10.4.1883 at Charleville, Queensland. Her husband Samuel is the informant on the death certificate and he states that her parents were William Bolands and Ellen Scanlan. On Margaret's death certificate (Ellen's sister) the parents are shown as William Mullins and Ellen Scanlan. The informant is Margaret's second husband John Dineen. Any suggestions on where to start looking for birth records for Ellen and other members of the family would be greatly appreciated. Barb