Hi Les, And in the 1700's and 1800's, the illegitimate children were given the surname of the mother. I can't tell how far back that goes. One may just think one is a Ryan or a Dwyer. Janet On 1/22/06, les wright <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > That is right Janet. I am one of the people who find themselves descended > from Niall through my McHenry family coming from the O'Cathain clan, this > has been found through DNA & using a number of males & was not done > looking > for the 'pot of gold'. I have the book "Clans of Ulster" & most of these > names are in this book as being from Niall & names do change around a bit > over time. In Medieval times & prior to this time it is written that > illigitimate children were given their fathers name, it was powerful to > have > children especially males! > I have now used DNA on 4 of my male lines & I am finding it a most > interesting tool with my research, it certainly keeps me very busy & can > change that paper trail believe you me! > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:18 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > > > > > > >> Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry the > >> same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs > some > >> clarification: > >> > >> "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different > >> surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." > > > > > > > > In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, > from > > the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about > 1000AD > > but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. So > in > > the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became > > O'Flaherty, > > and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came about > in > > the same line in that way. > > > > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate births > > over the centuries. > > > > Janet > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending > >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > >> the > >> time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; > >> 12 > >> noon (Friday) in Wellington. > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > > the original message important to your reply. > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > >

I was reading the article from Trinity research & they say that Medieval Irish were christian but they still used the customs of the pre-christian times. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > Hi Les, And in the 1700's and 1800's, the illegitimate children were given > the surname of the mother. I can't tell how far back that goes. One may > just > think one is a Ryan or a Dwyer. > > Janet > > > > > On 1/22/06, les wright <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >> That is right Janet. I am one of the people who find themselves >> descended >> from Niall through my McHenry family coming from the O'Cathain clan, this >> has been found through DNA & using a number of males & was not done >> looking >> for the 'pot of gold'. I have the book "Clans of Ulster" & most of these >> names are in this book as being from Niall & names do change around a bit >> over time. In Medieval times & prior to this time it is written that >> illigitimate children were given their fathers name, it was powerful to >> have >> children especially males! >> I have now used DNA on 4 of my male lines & I am finding it a most >> interesting tool with my research, it certainly keeps me very busy & can >> change that paper trail believe you me! >> Robyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall >> >> >> > > >> >> Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry >> >> the >> >> same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs >> some >> >> clarification: >> >> >> >> "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different >> >> surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." >> > >> > >> > >> > In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, >> from >> > the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about >> 1000AD >> > but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. So >> in >> > the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became >> > O'Flaherty, >> > and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came about >> in >> > the same line in that way. >> > >> > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate >> > births >> > over the centuries. >> > >> > Janet >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >> (depending >> >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This >> >> means >> >> the >> >> time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in >> Sydney; >> >> 12 >> >> noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> > the original message important to your reply. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Online Tipperary Census: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>Watch those SUBJECT headings! When the topic changes - change the >>>subject<< > >