Thanks Cindy. I thought I might send for the copy of marriage off the LDS film as it is an extracted record so therefore a copy of the register whichever church it is. I also feel that this is the man I am wanting just not too sure about the Margaret Butler being the 'Margaret' that appears as the mother of Mary Jane born 1831 in Tamil Nadu, India and James born in 1837 in Yorkshire. Also Cuthbert Jnr is born abt 1838 in Gibraltar. All army posting for the 48th Foot of which Cuthbert Snr was a Sergeant. He was pensioned out in 1842 on Guernsey from the Army. Now whether this is a late marriage I am not sure as I would have thought as an army man he would have shown up on the Chaplain and Military indices or Consular indices. He doesn't. So I am wondering if a first wife might have been an Indian or perhaps a Spanish woman. All supposition as Cuthbert Jnr's English marriage certificate only gives a father's name. Pity he didn't wait until he got out here to Qld and then we would have had all our answers. I could not find any mention of him on the Griffith Valuation but again I am not sure just where he was in 1851. He does not show up on any English censuses. Cuthbert Jnr enlisted in the 34th Regiment in Castle Fermoy in 1854. He was only 17 which is what got me thinking about the family being in Ireland. If Cuthbert Snr died in 1881 in Glen Callaghan what would I be looking for in the indices ie what registration district and the number for that district? And after looking at the BDM site I could not see how to order a €1.95 photocopy. Their prices for a photocopy of the death was €6. Liz Ndhockey49112@aol.com wrote: > Liz: > > I've got to think with a name like Cuthbert, this guy in the IGI is the one > you need! If the marriage was a non Catholic marriage, then in 1846, you > should be able to find the marriage certificate. It will list the place of > marriage, the witnesses, the occupation of both bride and groom, and the name of > the father of each. Not a lot, but some clues. If the marriage was a > Catholic marriage, then your only hope is the parish register, which will list far > less information, usually just the witnesses. > > Cindy > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > > >