Hi, I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). Thanks Vicki

hi Vicki There are estate records in NA. The genealogy dept there are helpful in pointing you to the info that helps you work out if they are relevant to the family/parish you are looking for good hunting Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Hi, > > I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used > in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with > Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources > (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers > or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm > considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be > useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I > am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). > > Thanks > Vicki >

How do I unsubscribe?? unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "carole" <Carole@cdraper.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: [TIP] Re: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary hi Vicki There are estate records in NA. The genealogy dept there are helpful in pointing you to the info that helps you work out if they are relevant to the family/parish you are looking for good hunting Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Hi, > > I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used > in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with > Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources > (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers > or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm > considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be > useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I > am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). > > Thanks > Vicki > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Online Tipperary Census: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm

Vicki, I have used the filmed Notebooks at the National Archives. In preparation for Griffith's, notebooks were prepared. There were Field Books (also called Soil Books), Tenure Books, and House Books. Notebooks do not exist for all townlands, and in many cases, the Field Books simply describe what type of soil was on each property. If you know what number property your family had, this can be interesting. If you are going to the National Archives yourself, these would be easy to check. If you have a researcher doing the work, they might have to go through several films, only to find there is no information, or that the information doesn't differ at all from Griffith's. It is quite possible that hiring a researcher could be costly, especially if the information in the Notebooks does not differ at all from Griffith's. Because I was doing my own research, I could just sit and go through films because I knew what I was looking for. When are these books helpful? If there was an exchange of land between lessors in the 1840's, this can fill in a missing generation. Let's say you know who the lessor was at the time of the Tithes, but there was a different name in Griffith's. Most of the Notebooks were done in the late 1840's to about 1850 or so. If there was a land exchange at that time, the lessor's name is crossed off and the new one written in so you have an idea when the first lessor died. Sometimes there is one name in the Tithes another in the Notebooks, and still another in Griffith's. This doesn't happen often, but it is worth checking if you are going to be at the National Archives. I hope this helps. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 AM Subject: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Hi, > > I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used > in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with > Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources > (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers > or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm > considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be > useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I > am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). > > Thanks > Vicki >

Hi Vicki, It is worth bearing in mind if you are on a time limit, that the Notebooks Jan refers to below are also available on microfilm through the LDS. As far as estate papers go, Hayes' "Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilisation" gives a list of many of the available estate papers and where they are held. It is also on film at the LDS as are the Encumbered Estate Papers for those estates which went bankrupt during the Famine and which then had to be sold (or partially sold) off to meet debts. Timewise, the Encumbered Estate Papers are close to Griffith's, but as Jan described for the Notebooks, can still show differences. The Encumbered Estate Papers can also give extra details about the type of lease held by the tenant, often mentioning other names, which Griffith's and the subsequent Cancelled Land Books do not. The Registry of Deeds is another possible source if you know names and places, again, these are on film at the LDS, I believe. Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: [TIP] Re: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Vicki, I have used the filmed Notebooks at the National Archives. In > preparation for Griffith's, notebooks were prepared. There were Field Books > (also called Soil Books), Tenure Books, and House Books. Notebooks do not > exist for all townlands, and in many cases, the Field Books simply describe > what type of soil was on each property. If you know what number property > your family had, this can be interesting. If you are going to the National > Archives yourself, these would be easy to check.