On Friday last, a poor man, drowned himself in Tyone River, at Nenagh, and on his being dragged out of the river, his wife, almost distracted exclaimed, "Oh, what a dead lob". Nicholas Cummins was put at the bar charged with the manslaughter of Edward Coman. The prisoner was a young lad of about 16 years of age. Michael Brien, being sworn, deposed that the parties had been at a hurling, and that a dispute arose. John Cummins, cousin of the prisoner, hit deceased on the side of the head and knocked blood out of his ear; didn't see the prisoner strike him, saw the deceased and the prisoner wrangling and fall together on the ground. No other witnesses being produced, the prisoner was acquitted and discharged. Nenagh Quarter Sessions. A return of convictions at the Nenagh quarter sessions which terminated on the afternoon of Thursday, the 14th inst. Seven years transportation. Michael Keating, grevious bodily injury and assault. Margaret Meagher, for stealing the chalice out of Roscrea Chapel. Martin Shanahan, for house breaking and robbery. John Guilfoyle, James Hanly, and Thomas Gleeson (jobber), for grevious bodily injury. Thomas Gleeson was not apprehended until last tuesday. Two years imprisonment. Hugh Cox for conspiracy. Eighteen months imprisonment. Hugn Darcy, snr. Hugh Darcy, jnr. Patrick Carey, Dan Gibbons, Thomas Caplice, and William Caplice, for affrays. Margaret Clements for larceny, and Patrick Kelly, for perjury at the present sessions. 12 months confinement. John Bourke, Michael Morressy, Thomas Brereton, Michael Nunan, Patrick Connors, Martin Shanahan, Thomas Donovan, John Cullen, William Delany, Wm. Walsh, and Pat Carey, for assault. John Horan, Martin Dwyer, Pat. Cullen, and James Hacket, for larceny. For Nine months. Denis Hogan, Timothy Hogan, James Hogan, Michael Ryan, Thomas Hanly, Martin Hanly, and John Quigley for affray. For six months. Phil. Dwyer, Michael Quigley, Daniel Sullivan, Michael McNamara, Patrick Halloran, and Patrick Dermody, for affray. Thomas Mccabe for larceny. For three months. John Flynn for larceny, Jeremiah Flannery, Pat Rourke, John Fogarty, John Meara, Peter Slattery, Denis Larkin, Daniel Mulloy, Conor Tierney, John Delany, Michael Delany, Denis Quinlan, Walter Hackett, Pat Meagher, Thomas Mara, Rody Coonan, Darby Whelan, and Thomas Kelly for affray. For two months. Thomas Whelan, Thomas Gleeson, Cornelius Leahy, John Cunningham, and William Dillon, affray. For one month. James Flannery, Thomas Ryan, James Shanahan, Michael Spain, Michael Whelan, Pat. Hogan, James Tierney and Thomas Mossip, assault. Thomas Coonan, Michael Kearney, Michael Corbett, Michael Murray, Michael Cane, James Doherty, Pat. Doherty, James Davern, Edward Connor, Michael Kelly, Daniel Ryan, Thomas Kelly, and John Davis, for affray. For two weeks. Dan Hogan, Denis Delany, William Quirke, snr. William Quirke Jnr. Barney Maguire, James Delany, and Thos. Fletcher for affray. Mary

Hello Mary, What an interesting email this is for at least a couple of reasons. Firstly, the Hogan Families - they must have been a feisty lot! As you know, I am descended from a Denis Hogan who was born "Tipperary" ca.1811, and who arrived in New South Wales as a convict in 1833/34 on "Parmelia" (2), and whose parentage I am unable to find. I wonder if Denis was related to the Hogans who received nine months' confinement, as Denis named his first son James, and his third son Timothy. I wonder if they are all related to my Denis? re the Carey name. Is Carey a common surname all over Ireland, or is it a "localised" name, i.e. mostly from Tipperary? My Denis Hogan married a Margaret Carey (Cary, Kary) who emigrated from London to New South Wales in 1834 on the "David Scott" (with her sister Julia), and who had at last 4 children by Denis Hogan and eventually married him two weeks after the baptism of their second son, John (my gt. grandfather). On Margaret's papers it says she came from Cork, but maybe that was only then port from which she left Ireland, rather than where she was born. Thank you for all the interesting emails you send regarding conditions in Ireland - it gives great background knowledge for those of us who are far away in distance and in time. Best wishes, Liz At 12:07 AM 15/09/2006, you wrote: >On Friday last, a poor man, drowned himself in Tyone >River,...................... > > >Eighteen months imprisonment. >.................. Patrick Carey, ................... >for affrays. > >12 months confinement........................ > and Pat Carey, for assault. John Horan, Martin Dwyer, Pat. Cullen, >and James Hacket, for larceny. > >For Nine months. >Denis Hogan, Timothy Hogan, James Hogan, Michael Ryan, Thomas Hanly, Martin >Hanly, and John Quigley for affray. > > > >For one month........................ >Pat. Hogan, James Tierney and Thomas Mossip, assault. ................. > >For two weeks. >Dan Hogan, Denis Delany, William Quirke, snr. William Quirke Jnr. Barney >Maguire, James Delany, and Thos. Fletcher for affray. > >Mary > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz' I am going to the Library again in a couple weeks and will try and see if thereis a transcript of the trial for the Hogans mentioned in the piece below. You never know, it might give a placename, and they could be first cousins or related. I haven't given up on Denis yet, Its a pity the Nenagh Guardian wasn't in print then, its the best of the Tipp newspapers for names and places. Cheers Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walker" <lizrose@tpg.com.au> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel Advertiser July 23rd 1836 > Hello Mary, > > What an interesting email this is for at least a couple of reasons. > > Firstly, the Hogan Families - they must have been a feisty lot! > > As you know, I am descended from a Denis Hogan who was born > "Tipperary" ca.1811, and who arrived in New South Wales as a convict > in 1833/34 on "Parmelia" (2), and whose parentage I am unable to > find. I wonder if Denis was related to the Hogans who received > nine months' confinement, as Denis named his first son James, and his > third son Timothy. I wonder if they are all related to my Denis? > > re the Carey name. > > Is Carey a common surname all over Ireland, or is it a "localised" > name, i.e. mostly from Tipperary? > > My Denis Hogan married a Margaret Carey (Cary, Kary) who emigrated > from London to New South Wales in 1834 on the "David Scott" (with her > sister Julia), and who had at last 4 children by Denis Hogan and > eventually married him two weeks after the baptism of their second > son, John (my gt. grandfather). On Margaret's papers it says she > came from Cork, but maybe that was only then port from which she left > Ireland, rather than where she was born. > > Thank you for all the interesting emails you send regarding > conditions in Ireland - it gives great background knowledge for those > of us who are far away in distance and in time. > > Best wishes, > > Liz > > > At 12:07 AM 15/09/2006, you wrote: >>On Friday last, a poor man, drowned himself in Tyone >>River,...................... >> >> >>Eighteen months imprisonment. >>.................. Patrick Carey, ................... >>for affrays. >> >>12 months confinement........................ >> and Pat Carey, for assault. John Horan, Martin Dwyer, Pat. Cullen, >>and James Hacket, for larceny. >> >>For Nine months. >>Denis Hogan, Timothy Hogan, James Hogan, Michael Ryan, Thomas Hanly, >>Martin >>Hanly, and John Quigley for affray. >> >> >> >>For one month........................ >>Pat. Hogan, James Tierney and Thomas Mossip, assault. ................. >> >>For two weeks. >>Dan Hogan, Denis Delany, William Quirke, snr. William Quirke Jnr. Barney >>Maguire, James Delany, and Thos. Fletcher for affray. >> >>Mary >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >