Hello, Bill, I have given thought to the situation presented by what has been said culminating in your posting addressed to me yesterday. That was your fifth posting at the list in two days but the first expressly addressed to me, your opening posting apparently being prompted by my first approach to the list. Your second posting was in response to what I had said. You attached my first message. Taking account of your advice that your great-great-great-grandfather Maher was christened at Ballybristy in 1811, that a female Fogarty was present at the christening and that your forebear then christened married an Ann or Anne Fogarty born in 1816, I find myself unable to offer anything clearly bearing on the questions confronting us. I will submit some information which perhaps will contain something connecting with matters or material involved in someone`s thinking. It seems likely to me that the Fogarty witness at the 1866 Kennedy-Connolly marriage in Melbourne mentioned two days ago by Maree of Hobart had come to Sydney from Ireland in December in 1839 by the ship "China" or was a son of someone who had done so. I have seen the register entry to which Maree was referring. The first name of the Fogarty witness is not easy to make out. I think it was probably Thomas. Quite a few Fogartys came out as free settlers on the "China" voyage I have in mind. Some of them are seen to have ended up in Melbourne. The "China" complement of passengers included various Fogartys from Killenaule in County Tipperary. Killenaule seems to have been about 20 miles by road south-east of Thurles. I will mention some Maher and Stapleton connections which have been reported to me in an unverified way in a family of Templemore Fogartys who came to Sydney as assisted immigrants in 1852 by the ship "Agincourt" and settled in the Nundle area of New South Wales. The "Agincourt" Fogartys were headed by an Andrew who I very much suspect was a brother of my great-great-grandfather John. Andrew Fogarty was married to one Margaret Woodlock whose parents appear to have been John Woodlock and Johanna Carroll of Loughmore. It is said in unverified material I have from a research colleague that Margaret Woodlock was christened at Loughmore on 17th September, 1808 with Thomas Stapleton and Johanna Peters as sponsors. Andrew and Margaret Fogarty had a son named James who is said in the same material to have been christened at Templemore in 1843 with Patrick Maher and Ellen Carroll as sponsors. It appears that the parents were residing at Oldtown, Templemore. Also on the "Agincourt" in 1852, it seems there were a Michael Fogarty and his wife Honora. The material relied on for present purposes says Michael`s parents were Patrick and Mary and Honora`s parents were Patrick Howard and Honora Maher. It is said that Michael and Honora were married at Thurles in 1846. It appears that someone examined a microfilm copy of the register entry at the National Library in Dublin. It is said that Michael seems to been born in about 1824-26. Names and dates of birth in 1821 and 1822 are given for two people said to have been brothers of Honora. It is said that Honora was born at Thurles. Years of birth ranging from 1819 to 1827 are offered It seems that Michael and Honora became residents of Chippendale in Sydney and that there was no child of the marriage. My first name did not come from any tradition. It came from the fact that my parents had a friend whose surname was Macandrew. I have a search report I obtained from Ireland detailing church register entries for christenings in my Fogarty-Brophy family in the 1830s and 1840s and citing some Fogarty and Brophy christening entries of an earlier era. The details are from the registers for Templemore church parish and include mention in 1810 of an Andrew of William Brophy of Templemore, comber, and Bridget Egan with sponsors Richard Connell and Judith Maher. At 1813 I see mention of a Bridget of John Fogarty and Sarah Kennedy of Killavinogue with sponsors John and Mary Meagher. There is mention in 1814 of a John of William Brophy and Bridget Egan of Templemore with sponsors Daniel Maher and Bridget Ryan. I will now have a go at squeezing something out of your O`Dwyer and Purcell leads. One of the "China" Fogartys was married to a Catherine Dwyer. Those people went to Melbourne. The report from Ireland cites the register entry for the christening in 1813 of an Ellen of Thomas Fogarty of Forrest, farmer, and Margaret Meehan with sponsors John Purcil and Ellen Ryan. I have looked at a book by Father Max Barrett, C.ss.R., entitled "King of Galong Castle", which says a lot of Dwyers settled in the Boorowa area of southern New South Wales following the transportation on the "Surrey" in 1816 of 13 men convicted by special commission at Clonmel in relation to a riotous incident known as the barracks of Ballagh affair. It seems that Ballagh was about seven or eight miles north-west of Cashel. The book -- mainly concerned with one John Ryan convicted of involvement in the Ballagh incident -- said his group of 13 on the "Surrey" included a Denis and a John Dwyer. What I have said about the "China" Fogartys is based on my own examination of original records. Andrew Fogarty and Margaret Woodlock had a son named Andrew who is said in the unverified material to have been christened at Templemore in 1848 with Martin and Winnifred Dwyer as sponsors. I will finish with some reference to a Maher link asserted in that material which involves someone I feel fairly sure belonged to my Fogarty family. My work with original records has shown that an Ann Fogarty of Templemore became Mrs Carden and went on to be a resident of Ballarat in Victoria. It seems very likely that Ann Fogarty/Carden was a sister of my great-great-grandfather John and Andrew of Nundle. The report I obtained from Ireland notes the christening in 1812 of a Catherine who appears to have been a sister of Ann Fogarty/Carden. The work from the research colleague says Catherine Fogarty was Mrs Maher before marriying a Mr Greed in 1837 and that she settled in Victoria. Regards, Andrew Fogarty