Maggie -- I have examined your response posted yesterday to what I said about late natural events and other matters including old Tipperary links. I will go into some detail here concerning the convict ship voyage you mentioned, which seems to offer us some common ground to explore. It appears from some checking I have done that there is a Knockavilla just out of Dundrum. I recall that the present Senator Bill Heffernan was a member of Junee Shire Council in the 1980s and came to be in charge there. Bit of a loose cannon for his party at times in things he has said since going to Canberra. . Your "Havering" and Tenterfield references have turned my thinking back to something I started puzzling about a long time ago. I have long had an interest in that "Havering" voyage. I have seen that some of that shipment of convicts were working around Warwick in the Darling Downs in 1850 under assignment to pastoralists. I have a paper copy of a "shipping intelligence" piece which appeared in "The Sydney Morning Herald" on 9th November, 1849 announcing the arrival of the "Havering". The ship left Dublin on 4th August, 1849. The convicts experienced a rapid transition from summer into spring. I looked a long time ago at every name in a list of "Havering" convicts who reached Sydney on that occasion. Two men died en route. I have not seen either`s name. My great-great-uncle Michael Fogarty of Leyburn in the Darling Downs was christened in Templemore church parish on 14th January, 1836 and is said to have "landed at Sydney in 1849 at the age of 14 .... " He was married at Warwick in 1864, having apparently been a stockman at "Glengallan" near Warwick some years previously. I am descended from Michael`s brother John of Wagga. The parents were John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy. The register entry for Michael`s christening had Ballaheen as the parents` place of residence. I did not see any Fogarty in the "Havering" convicts list. I was also interested in the military party. No name of interest was seen in that category. In the original writing, I have a paper copy of a muster apparently compiled by the Sydney Harbour authorities detailing the "Havering" complement arriving on 8th November, 1849. It is said that there were 334 convicts. No-one is named. I saw all the names on microfilm at an archives office a long way from here There are said to be "Two Boy Sons of Prisoners". The record names the captain, surgeon superintendent and religious instructor. I see a Lieutenant Paterson in charge of eight unnamed members of the 11th Regiment. I see an Ensign M`Donald in charge of 30 unnamed members of the 99th Regiment. It is said that three females accompanied the 11th Regiment contingent and that a woman and a boy were with the 99th Regiment men. The 58th Regiment is mentioned too. There are said to be 10 rank and file accompanied by a woman. It is said there was a woman belonging to the 65th Regiment. I have an idea the names of all the convicts who survived are now accessible on the Internet. I am not aware of any Fogarty-Brophy birth after 1844. I will take the opportunity to mention something which perhaps will at some stage be found to tie in with what I posted yesterday concerning Patrick Heffernan of "Clear Hills" in the Temora area. The Comans and Ryan references give the impression that Patrick Heffernan was related in some way to the Heffernans dealt with in the preceding work. I have not seen anything supporting what the book said about Patrick Heffernan`s antecedents in Victoria. Now I get to something that intrigues me. There seems to have been a Roger Heffernan in Melbourne in 1846 related to or associating with a Fogarty family. I find myself wondering whether that was a brother of Patrick`s father. I will try to convey to you my reasoning on this question. The first message I posted on 20th May was addressed to Bill Maher. I said there in the third paragraph that it seemed likely to me that the Fogarty witness at an 1866 Kennedy-Connolly marriage in Melbourne mentioned by Maree of Hobart had come to Sydney from Ireland in December in 1839 by the ship "China" or was a son of someone who had done so. I said it seemed to me that the first name of the witness was probably Thomas. I now report that I have something in my records saying that a Roger Heffernan was a sponsor at the 1846 christening in Melbourne of a child whose parents were Thomas Fogarty and Catherine Dwyer. I know those people came to Sydney in 1839 on the "China" voyage to which I was referring in what I said to Bill. I told Bill I knew that some of the "China" Fogartys ended up in Melbourne. Thomas and Catherine to whom I am referring lived at Collingwood. That Thomas Fogarty was not living in 1866, but his nephew Thomas Fogarty of the "China" voyage was. He was a Melbourne resident in 1878. The "something in my records" referred to above is an item in an extensive compilation of disc work sent to me by a research colleague. The material also shows one Bridget Flynn as a sponsor. I have a 38-part paper file of Fogarty research. I have 37 parts of that file -- I am not just saying this, I did a careful tally several weeks ago -- together at a particular spot at my home. The missing part 28 -- containing 1994 material -- is somewhere under this roof, probably in a removal carton from a former home down south. The research colleague`s material dealing with the 1846 Fogarty-Dwyer christening cites a letter from me dated 5th February, 1994. It seems that was how he learned about the registration. I see "A.F. 5.2.1994 p. 2". I remember I obtained quite a few certificates from Melbourne early that year and that they revealed the presence in Melbourne of some of the "China" Fogartys I had detailed to the research colleague in some 1990 correspondence of which copies of part and references to the remainder are held in part 17 of my file. I remember that the certificates obtained in early 1994 generated correspondence to the research colleague. He was on the other side of the world. He has come back to Australia. I was thorough with my filing. I satisfied myself in the tally carried out several weeks ago that part 28 would contain the 1846 Fogarty-Dwyer registration. I have seen the occasional mistake in the vast compilation which has been released to me, but I do not suspect any misquoting in this case. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia