I am looking for Spillanes in the same area. In my extended family I have an Edward Spillane who married Ellen Fogarty in the RC parish of Toomevara in 1876. Edward was supposed to have been from Coolderry, Ardrconey parish. I would assume that the Fogartys were from the Toomevara area. Jan [email protected]

Jan -- In response to your enquiry posted on 26th May, I must state at the outset that I have not found any relative named Fogarty to be residing anywhere closer to Toomevara than Ballaheen or Killea, which were near Templemore. I said Toomevara because my great-grandparents were married at a venue which I have long believed was in that area. I have no knowledge or suspicion of any Spillane connection in my family. My great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration was headed - "Marriage solemnised at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Toomavara in the Registrar`s District of Toomavara in the Union of Nenagh in the County of Tipperary". The groom said he was a bachelor. He is described in the register entry as a farmer residing at "Ballaheen, Killea". The bride is shown as a spinster residing at Cloncannon, which seems to have been about four or five miles east-northeast of Toomevara. The parties` fathers were identified as "John Fogarty Farmer dead" and "Roger Kennedy Farmer alive". A personal informant has stated that the Fogarty-Kennedy marriage occurred at Grenanstown. That is unsubstantiated advice. I allowed myself the liberty on 18th May of stating Grenanstown as fact. It seems likely that my great-grandparents were couxins. I am convinced that my great-grandmother`s mother was an Ellen Fogarty. I am encouraged in that belief by an unsubstantiated report of an 1843 christening. It is clear from official records that my great-great-grandmother`s first name was Ellen. I have not identified any sibling of my great-grandmother. Family legend has asserted that there was intermarriage between our Fogartys and Kennedys. Five children of my great-grandparents were born before the family left for Australia in 1878. The first four births appear to have been recorded at the Hospital of the Assumption at Thurles. The other child has been said in family legend to have born at Templemore. According to a search report obtained from Ireland, my great-grandfather was christened in Templemore church parish in 1831, the parents John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy being said to be Oldtown residents. The search report cites five subsequent Fogarty-Brophy christenings in the same parish. At 1836 Ballaheen is given as the place of residence. At 1838 it is "Cullinagh". I see "Killinough" at 1841 and "Culllinagh?" at 1844. At 1833 the child`s name is said to have been obliterated by wear occasioned to the register page and no place of residence is cited. I have identified two Australian settlers as siblings of my great-grandfather. According to legend, there was also a sister who became a nun in Victoria. The search report notes the christening of one of the identified Australian settlers. It seems there is a place called Cullinagh in the Ballina area in County Tipperary -- almost in County Clare. I know of no other Cullinagh. Perhaps Killea was also known as Killeagh. I know there is a place in Tipperary called Killavinogue. It appears to be a small way north-east of Templemore. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] for Andrew Fogarty (Templemore to Toomevara) > I am looking for Spillanes in the same area. > In my extended family I have an Edward Spillane who married Ellen Fogarty in > the RC parish of Toomevara in 1876. Edward was supposed to have been from > Coolderry, Ardrconey parish. I would assume that the Fogartys were from the > Toomevara area. Jan > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maggie -- I will return here to a topic raised in your posting of 24th May and given attention in mine the next day. I will add to what has been said about the convicts who came to Sydney from Ireland in 1849 by the ship "Havering". The Brisbane newspaper "The Moreton Bay Courier" published an extensive commentary on Saturday, 31st August, 1850 headed "The Labour and Transportation Questions". Surveying the history of the matters with which it was concerned, the commentary said a meeting of stockholders at Warwick had called for the introduction of convict labour, and -- "Two shiploads of convicts entitled to tickets-of-leave arrived, and were immediately engaged, besides many of the convicts by the Hashemy, the Randolph, the Havering, and the Adelaide, who had been forwarded from Sydney .... " Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W.