Help, I am SO confused! Found a marriage record for above couple from FamilySearch.org at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 This record was free and although not the original at least gave the parents names of both parties: groom's name: John Shanahan bride's name: Abbey Stoney marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101399 reference number: 416 Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be a church marriage) then went to cross check it at IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and found the following: Church Marriage Record Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN County: Co. Tipperary HUSBAND Name: John Shannahan Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic WIFE Name: Abby Stoney Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic Witness 1: Michael Meara Witness 2: Anne Ryan Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] To all appearances this is the SAME record except that the place is given as the RC Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? Thanks for any help! Kathy Rhodes

Hello, Many times I have seen that a newer RC church was built on the same spot as an older RC church. Maybe that's what happened in this case??? Sandy On 11/2/2011 6:10 PM, Little.House.Antiques wrote: > Help, I am SO confused! > > Found a marriage record for above couple from > FamilySearch.org at > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 > This record was free and although not the original > at least gave the parents names of both parties: > > groom's name: John Shanahan > bride's name: Abbey Stoney > marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 > marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland > groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan > bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101399 > reference number: 416 > > Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date > was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be > a church marriage) then went to cross check it at > IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and > found the following: > > Church Marriage Record > Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 > Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN > County: Co. Tipperary > HUSBAND > Name: John Shannahan > Address: Not Recorded > Denomination: Roman Catholic > WIFE > Name: Abby Stoney > Address: Not Recorded > Denomination: Roman Catholic > Witness 1: Michael Meara > Witness 2: Anne Ryan > Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] > > To all appearances this is the SAME record > except that the place is given as the RC > Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? > > Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 > churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, > the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built > until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? > > The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early > enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible > that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC > marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" > Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI > curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - > but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? > > Thanks for any help! > Kathy Rhodes > > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just a note but I believe the Stoney family resided primarily on Lord Dunalley's estates in the Modreeny/Cloughjordan/Aghnameadle parishes. Mike Stapleton -----Original Message----- From: Little.House.Antiques Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:10 PM To: IRL-Tipperary Subject: [IRL-TIP] Question re RC Parish Records for RC parish ofCLOUGHJORDAN Help, I am SO confused! Found a marriage record for above couple from FamilySearch.org at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 This record was free and although not the original at least gave the parents names of both parties: groom's name: John Shanahan bride's name: Abbey Stoney marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101399 reference number: 416 Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be a church marriage) then went to cross check it at IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and found the following: Church Marriage Record Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN County: Co. Tipperary HUSBAND Name: John Shannahan Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic WIFE Name: Abby Stoney Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic Witness 1: Michael Meara Witness 2: Anne Ryan Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] To all appearances this is the SAME record except that the place is given as the RC Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? Thanks for any help! Kathy Rhodes IGP County Tipperary website: http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message