Just a note but I believe the Stoney family resided primarily on Lord Dunalley's estates in the Modreeny/Cloughjordan/Aghnameadle parishes. Mike Stapleton -----Original Message----- From: Little.House.Antiques Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:10 PM To: IRL-Tipperary Subject: [IRL-TIP] Question re RC Parish Records for RC parish ofCLOUGHJORDAN Help, I am SO confused! Found a marriage record for above couple from FamilySearch.org at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 This record was free and although not the original at least gave the parents names of both parties: groom's name: John Shanahan bride's name: Abbey Stoney marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101399 reference number: 416 Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be a church marriage) then went to cross check it at IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and found the following: Church Marriage Record Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN County: Co. Tipperary HUSBAND Name: John Shannahan Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic WIFE Name: Abby Stoney Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic Witness 1: Michael Meara Witness 2: Anne Ryan Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] To all appearances this is the SAME record except that the place is given as the RC Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? Thanks for any help! Kathy Rhodes IGP County Tipperary website: http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike . Thankyou for your Unfo , it very much appreciated . By the way I was a member of the BMSGH and went to a meeting the year the Westafairians burnt the Indian Shops in Birmingham . I am still in constant contact with Iain Swinnerton and Pauline Saul now Pedersen . Best regards Laurie -----Original Message----- From: irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike YEGWART Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011 1:33 AM To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s Hi Laurie, This is a non-specific answer to your query. We have on our website a list of diseases provided by Jeanagh Punter. At the time you mentioned for Ireland, there is nothing specific, but the UK was having a bad time. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=artic le&id=7:diseases-through-history&catid=19:bromsgrove-resources&Itemid=34 Whether the definition of UK included Ireland for these reports I don't know. You don't need rampant national disease to suffer from it locally. Merely living a few hundred yards downstream of the village toilet system (aka untreated sewage) often lead to a higher death rate at that end. Also tuberculosis was everywhere, especially in cold damp housing. Alternatively, he could have just fallen out of a tree playing. Or choked on his dinner. I think you should look again at where Matthew et al were living in London. Was it up market or down? And what was his occupation? This might give a backwards clue as to the living conditions in Tipp. I know RYAN is Irish, but could Matthew have been moved by service in the army? These may all be red herrings but you should still think about them being possibilities. Cheers Mike Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ The Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry http://www.bmsgh.org/

Hello, Many times I have seen that a newer RC church was built on the same spot as an older RC church. Maybe that's what happened in this case??? Sandy On 11/2/2011 6:10 PM, Little.House.Antiques wrote: > Help, I am SO confused! > > Found a marriage record for above couple from > FamilySearch.org at > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 > This record was free and although not the original > at least gave the parents names of both parties: > > groom's name: John Shanahan > bride's name: Abbey Stoney > marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 > marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland > groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan > bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101399 > reference number: 416 > > Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date > was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be > a church marriage) then went to cross check it at > IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and > found the following: > > Church Marriage Record > Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 > Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN > County: Co. Tipperary > HUSBAND > Name: John Shannahan > Address: Not Recorded > Denomination: Roman Catholic > WIFE > Name: Abby Stoney > Address: Not Recorded > Denomination: Roman Catholic > Witness 1: Michael Meara > Witness 2: Anne Ryan > Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] > > To all appearances this is the SAME record > except that the place is given as the RC > Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? > > Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 > churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, > the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built > until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? > > The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early > enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible > that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC > marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" > Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI > curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - > but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? > > Thanks for any help! > Kathy Rhodes > > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Help, I am SO confused! Found a marriage record for above couple from FamilySearch.org at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 This record was free and although not the original at least gave the parents names of both parties: groom's name: John Shanahan bride's name: Abbey Stoney marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101399 reference number: 416 Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be a church marriage) then went to cross check it at IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and found the following: Church Marriage Record Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN County: Co. Tipperary HUSBAND Name: John Shannahan Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic WIFE Name: Abby Stoney Address: Not Recorded Denomination: Roman Catholic Witness 1: Michael Meara Witness 2: Anne Ryan Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] To all appearances this is the SAME record except that the place is given as the RC Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? Thanks for any help! Kathy Rhodes

HI, Sorry to interrupt your email- There was at one time, if I am right a RC church outside of Cloughjordan named Grawn. Try and contact Fr. Tom A Hannon tomahannon@gmail.com in Cloughjordan and see if he has the records. He found a record for the marriage for my great aunt that took place in 1840. I see that he may be in England and hope he will be home when you contact him. Tell him that you got his email address from the fellow that sent him the "COUNTY OFFALY" Irish hat. JERRY TIERNEY CHASSELL MICHIGAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Little.House.Antiques" <little.house.antiques@comcast.net> To: "IRL-Tipperary" <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Question re RC Parish Records for RC parish ofCLOUGHJORDAN > Help, I am SO confused! > > Found a marriage record for above couple from > FamilySearch.org at > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLH-XGX/p2 > This record was free and although not the original > at least gave the parents names of both parties: > > groom's name: John Shanahan > bride's name: Abbey Stoney > marriage date: 19 Oct 1858 > marriage place: Nenagh, Tipp, Ireland > groom's father's name: Mathew Shanahan > bride's father's name: Ralph Stoney > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70218-8 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101399 > reference number: 416 > > Noting that the place given was Nenagh and date > was prior to Civil Registration (therefore must be > a church marriage) then went to cross check it at > IFHF www.rootsireland.ie (not a FREE site! and > found the following: > > Church Marriage Record > Date of Marriage: 19-Oct-1858 > Parish / District: CLOUGHJORDAN > County: Co. Tipperary > HUSBAND > Name: John Shannahan > Address: Not Recorded > Denomination: Roman Catholic > WIFE > Name: Abby Stoney > Address: Not Recorded > Denomination: Roman Catholic > Witness 1: Michael Meara > Witness 2: Anne Ryan > Notes: Denis Cleary [Priest] > > To all appearances this is the SAME record > except that the place is given as the RC > Parish of Cloughjordan. Or is it? > > Now to my question: The town of Cloughjordan has 3 > churches, 1 methodist, 1 COI and 1 RC. However, > the RC church (Saints Micheal and John) wasn't built > until 1898 - so just where was this couple married? > > The COI church (St. Kierans) was built 1828-30 so early > enough for the couple to have wed there - but is possible > that these records are that screwed up? Could a RC > marriage take place in a COI church? Abigail "Abby" > Stoney was the daughter of Rev. Ralph Stoney a COI > curate or dean of Terryglass so I know she wasn't RC - > but her hubby John Shanahan very well might have been? > > Thanks for any help! > Kathy Rhodes > > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Am not sure if I am misreading these messages but the 1840's were some of the most harrowing years in Irish history. There was the Great Famine with consequent "famine fever", cholera and typhoid were rife and the death rate was incredibly high. This is one of the many sites that gives some sense of the time. http://www.ego4u.com/en/read-on/countries/ireland/great-famine#h-2-1 Clare . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike YEGWART" <mike.yegwart@btinternet.com> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s > Hi Laurie, > > This is a non-specific answer to your query. We have on our website a > list of diseases provided by Jeanagh Punter. At the time you mentioned > for Ireland, there is nothing specific, but the UK was having a bad time. > > http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:diseases-through-history&catid=19:bromsgrove-resources&Itemid=34 > > Whether the definition of UK included Ireland for these reports I don't > know. You don't need rampant national disease to suffer from it > locally. Merely living a few hundred yards downstream of the village > toilet system (aka untreated sewage) often lead to a higher death rate > at that end. Also tuberculosis was everywhere, especially in cold damp > housing. > > Alternatively, he could have just fallen out of a tree playing. Or > choked on his dinner. > > I think you should look again at where Matthew et al were living in > London. Was it up market or down? And what was his occupation? This > might give a backwards clue as to the living conditions in Tipp. I know > RYAN is Irish, but could Matthew have been moved by service in the > army? These may all be red herrings but you should still think about > them being possibilities. > > Cheers > > Mike > > Mike Yegwart > > Branch Chairman > Bromsgrove BMSGH > > The Family History Site for Worcestershire, > now with a Forum board for your queries. > > http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ > > The Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry > http://www.bmsgh.org/ > > > > On 30/10/2011 01:28, irl-tipperary-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 >> 19:15:49 +0100 From: "Clare Tuohy" <annclare@gofree.indigo.ie> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s To: >> <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: >> <89A031FE76E6417EAEC500E374D9FA40@DH9R5Z0J> Content-T`s >>> Hello from Australia . Matthew Ryan and Julia Tobin had their last >>> child >>> baptized at the Catholic Church Bansha in 1844 . The 1851 census has the >>> family in London minus Matthew . There is no death registered in London >>> , >>> so >>> could he have died in Bansha area Tipperary . Was there a disease like >>> Cholera rampant then in this time slot . Looking at the 1851 London >>> census >>> , >>> it seems everyone had maids from Tipperary , so there could have been an >>> event which sent all to London . Thanks for any replies . Laurie >>> >>> >>> > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1682 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Laurie, This is a non-specific answer to your query. We have on our website a list of diseases provided by Jeanagh Punter. At the time you mentioned for Ireland, there is nothing specific, but the UK was having a bad time. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:diseases-through-history&catid=19:bromsgrove-resources&Itemid=34 Whether the definition of UK included Ireland for these reports I don't know. You don't need rampant national disease to suffer from it locally. Merely living a few hundred yards downstream of the village toilet system (aka untreated sewage) often lead to a higher death rate at that end. Also tuberculosis was everywhere, especially in cold damp housing. Alternatively, he could have just fallen out of a tree playing. Or choked on his dinner. I think you should look again at where Matthew et al were living in London. Was it up market or down? And what was his occupation? This might give a backwards clue as to the living conditions in Tipp. I know RYAN is Irish, but could Matthew have been moved by service in the army? These may all be red herrings but you should still think about them being possibilities. Cheers Mike Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/ The Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry http://www.bmsgh.org/ On 30/10/2011 01:28, irl-tipperary-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 > 19:15:49 +0100 From: "Clare Tuohy" <annclare@gofree.indigo.ie> > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s To: > <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: > <89A031FE76E6417EAEC500E374D9FA40@DH9R5Z0J> Content-T`s >> Hello from Australia . Matthew Ryan and Julia Tobin had their last child >> baptized at the Catholic Church Bansha in 1844 . The 1851 census has the >> family in London minus Matthew . There is no death registered in London , >> so >> could he have died in Bansha area Tipperary . Was there a disease like >> Cholera rampant then in this time slot . Looking at the 1851 London census >> , >> it seems everyone had maids from Tipperary , so there could have been an >> event which sent all to London . Thanks for any replies . Laurie >> >> >>

Thankyou for your time and consideration in helping others .Regards John in Deal Kent On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Geralyn Barry <gbarry@proaxis.com> wrote: > For Irish civil marriages 1870 and earlier, the Family History Library in > Salt Lake City also holds the filmed civil registers. FamilySearch.org > often has, in addition to the indexes that Clare checked, extractions of > the actual register entries for this time period only. > > In this case, it appears that Patrick Morris is on the same page as > Catherine Murphy, but they did not marry. They simply married on conscutive > days and were thus recorded on the same page: > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SL6-8PY/p4 > groom's name: Patrick Morris > groom's birth date: 1847 > groom's age: 20 > bride's name: Elizabeth Vaughan > bride's birth date: 1842 > bride's age: 25 > marriage date: 04 Mar 1867 > marriage place: Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland > groom's father's name: Edward Morris > bride's father's name: James Vaughan > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70237-4 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101507 > reference number: 869-67 >>> > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SL6-8PT/p1 > groom's name: William Kenny > groom's birth date: 1841 > groom's age: 26 > bride's name: Catherine Murphy > bride's birth date: 1841 > bride's age: 26 > marriage date: 03 Mar 1867 > marriage place: Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland > groom's father's name: Mark Kenney > bride's father's name: Terence Murphy > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70237-4 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101507 > reference number: 869-66 >>> > > Looks like your search continues, John. > > Regards from soggy western Oregon, US > Geralyn Wood Barry > > On 10/30/2011 12:26 PM, Clare Tuohy wrote: > > Anyway there is a > > marriage for a Patrick Morris in the Callan Registration district Year > 1867 > > volume 4 page 869 and also a match for Catherine Murphy with same > reference > > numbers. So it is possible but not definite that this is a marriage of > > Patrick Morris and Catherine Murphy. However for confirmation you would > have > > to order the cert. See www.groireland.ie for information on ordering. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "L Morriss"<l_morriss@sky.com> > > To:<IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:03 PM > > Subject: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research > > > > > > > > My question is can anyone locate a marriage of PATRICK MORRIS > /CATHERINE > > MURPHY in county Tipperary or anywhere else in Ireland. > > On the 1881 census in Merthyr tydfil glamorgan Wales the family are > > residing > > 13 court upper taff street > > PATRICK is aged 32 and CATHERINE 28 > > Checking the Roman Catholic church of st MARY i found the first child > from > > this marriage was MARY baptised 26 sep 1873 > > theres no record of the family on 1871 census i can find ,and no marriage > > in > > Wales or England. > > can someone help in anyway thankyou .JOHN MORRISS Deal kent > > > > > > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Geralyn Thanks for pointing that out as I would hate to send someone of a wild goose chase. Also for future reference it is very useful to know that up to and including 1870 you can check the entries. I learn something new everyday - great!! Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geralyn Barry" <gbarry@proaxis.com> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research > For Irish civil marriages 1870 and earlier, the Family History Library in > Salt Lake City also holds the filmed civil registers. FamilySearch.org > often has, in addition to the indexes that Clare checked, extractions of > the actual register entries for this time period only. > > In this case, it appears that Patrick Morris is on the same page as > Catherine Murphy, but they did not marry. They simply married on > conscutive days and were thus recorded on the same page: > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SL6-8PY/p4 > groom's name: Patrick Morris > groom's birth date: 1847 > groom's age: 20 > bride's name: Elizabeth Vaughan > bride's birth date: 1842 > bride's age: 25 > marriage date: 04 Mar 1867 > marriage place: Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland > groom's father's name: Edward Morris > bride's father's name: James Vaughan > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70237-4 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101507 > reference number: 869-67 >>> > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SL6-8PT/p1 > groom's name: William Kenny > groom's birth date: 1841 > groom's age: 26 > bride's name: Catherine Murphy > bride's birth date: 1841 > bride's age: 26 > marriage date: 03 Mar 1867 > marriage place: Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland > groom's father's name: Mark Kenney > bride's father's name: Terence Murphy > groom's marital status: Single > bride's marital status: Single > indexing project (batch) number: M70237-4 > system origin: Ireland-EASy > source film number: 101507 > reference number: 869-66 >>> > > Looks like your search continues, John. > > Regards from soggy western Oregon, US > Geralyn Wood Barry > > On 10/30/2011 12:26 PM, Clare Tuohy wrote: >> Anyway there is a >> marriage for a Patrick Morris in the Callan Registration district Year >> 1867 >> volume 4 page 869 and also a match for Catherine Murphy with same >> reference >> numbers. So it is possible but not definite that this is a marriage of >> Patrick Morris and Catherine Murphy. However for confirmation you would >> have >> to order the cert. See www.groireland.ie for information on ordering. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L Morriss"<l_morriss@sky.com> >> To:<IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:03 PM >> Subject: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research >> >> >> >> My question is can anyone locate a marriage of PATRICK MORRIS /CATHERINE >> MURPHY in county Tipperary or anywhere else in Ireland. >> On the 1881 census in Merthyr tydfil glamorgan Wales the family are >> residing >> 13 court upper taff street >> PATRICK is aged 32 and CATHERINE 28 >> Checking the Roman Catholic church of st MARY i found the first child >> from >> this marriage was MARY baptised 26 sep 1873 >> theres no record of the family on 1871 census i can find ,and no marriage >> in >> Wales or England. >> can someone help in anyway thankyou .JOHN MORRISS Deal kent >> >> >> > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1677 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Forgot to say if you decide to order the cert I suggest you ask for a photocopy of the entry it costs less thatn a certificate and you get the same information. Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "L Morriss" <l_morriss@sky.com> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research > Thankyou i will investigate your finding much obliged to you,John Morriss > Deal Kent > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Clare Tuohy > <annclare@gofree.indigo.ie>wrote: > >> John >> This may be along shot but I searched the Irish civil registration Index >> at >> familysearch.org for any marriages of Patrick Morris/Morriss and >> Catherine >> Murphy. If you are not familiar with the Index it is divided in to >> registration districts by county and gives references e.g. volume and >> page >> number from which you can order a search. Just thought of course it is >> similar to the UK records so explanation is unneccesary!!. Anyway there >> is >> a >> marriage for a Patrick Morris in the Callan Registration district Year >> 1867 >> volume 4 page 869 and also a match for Catherine Murphy with same >> reference >> numbers. So it is possible but not definite that this is a marriage of >> Patrick Morris and Catherine Murphy. However for confirmation you would >> have >> to order the cert. See www.groireland.ie for information on ordering. >> >> Callan registration district is on the border between of Tipperary and >> Kilkenny and would include entries from Tipperary for the area around >> Mullinahone and Ballingarry. Somebody else on the list might be able to >> give >> you more precise information on the areas covered and it may be a >> positive >> lead. I checked the other Tipperary reg districts and did not get a >> match. >> >> Good Luck >> >> Clare >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L Morriss" <l_morriss@sky.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:03 PM >> Subject: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research >> >> >> > Hi i have tried in the past to research my paternal line and although >> made >> > progress with the help of paid researchers and from this list. >> > However iam still not in possesion of the facts i need to go any >> > further >> > with my Irish research. >> > My question is can anyone locate a marriage of PATRICK MORRIS >> > /CATHERINE >> > MURPHY in county Tipperary or anywhere else in Ireland. >> > On the 1881 census in Merthyr tydfil glamorgan Wales the family are >> > residing >> > 13 court upper taff street >> > PATRICK is aged 32 and CATHERINE 28 >> > Checking the Roman Catholic church of st MARY i found the first child >> from >> > this marriage was MARY baptised 26 sep 1873 >> > theres no record of the family on 1871 census i can find ,and no >> > marriage >> > in >> > Wales or England. >> > can someone help in anyway thankyou .JOHN MORRISS Deal kent >> > IGP County Tipperary website: >> > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 1675 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> IGP County Tipperary website: >> http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1677 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Thankyou i will investigate your finding much obliged to you,John Morriss Deal Kent On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Clare Tuohy <annclare@gofree.indigo.ie>wrote: > John > This may be along shot but I searched the Irish civil registration Index at > familysearch.org for any marriages of Patrick Morris/Morriss and Catherine > Murphy. If you are not familiar with the Index it is divided in to > registration districts by county and gives references e.g. volume and page > number from which you can order a search. Just thought of course it is > similar to the UK records so explanation is unneccesary!!. Anyway there is > a > marriage for a Patrick Morris in the Callan Registration district Year > 1867 > volume 4 page 869 and also a match for Catherine Murphy with same reference > numbers. So it is possible but not definite that this is a marriage of > Patrick Morris and Catherine Murphy. However for confirmation you would > have > to order the cert. See www.groireland.ie for information on ordering. > > Callan registration district is on the border between of Tipperary and > Kilkenny and would include entries from Tipperary for the area around > Mullinahone and Ballingarry. Somebody else on the list might be able to > give > you more precise information on the areas covered and it may be a positive > lead. I checked the other Tipperary reg districts and did not get a match. > > Good Luck > > Clare > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L Morriss" <l_morriss@sky.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:03 PM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research > > > > Hi i have tried in the past to research my paternal line and although > made > > progress with the help of paid researchers and from this list. > > However iam still not in possesion of the facts i need to go any further > > with my Irish research. > > My question is can anyone locate a marriage of PATRICK MORRIS /CATHERINE > > MURPHY in county Tipperary or anywhere else in Ireland. > > On the 1881 census in Merthyr tydfil glamorgan Wales the family are > > residing > > 13 court upper taff street > > PATRICK is aged 32 and CATHERINE 28 > > Checking the Roman Catholic church of st MARY i found the first child > from > > this marriage was MARY baptised 26 sep 1873 > > theres no record of the family on 1871 census i can find ,and no marriage > > in > > Wales or England. > > can someone help in anyway thankyou .JOHN MORRISS Deal kent > > IGP County Tipperary website: > > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 1675 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John This may be along shot but I searched the Irish civil registration Index at familysearch.org for any marriages of Patrick Morris/Morriss and Catherine Murphy. If you are not familiar with the Index it is divided in to registration districts by county and gives references e.g. volume and page number from which you can order a search. Just thought of course it is similar to the UK records so explanation is unneccesary!!. Anyway there is a marriage for a Patrick Morris in the Callan Registration district Year 1867 volume 4 page 869 and also a match for Catherine Murphy with same reference numbers. So it is possible but not definite that this is a marriage of Patrick Morris and Catherine Murphy. However for confirmation you would have to order the cert. See www.groireland.ie for information on ordering. Callan registration district is on the border between of Tipperary and Kilkenny and would include entries from Tipperary for the area around Mullinahone and Ballingarry. Somebody else on the list might be able to give you more precise information on the areas covered and it may be a positive lead. I checked the other Tipperary reg districts and did not get a match. Good Luck Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "L Morriss" <l_morriss@sky.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research > Hi i have tried in the past to research my paternal line and although made > progress with the help of paid researchers and from this list. > However iam still not in possesion of the facts i need to go any further > with my Irish research. > My question is can anyone locate a marriage of PATRICK MORRIS /CATHERINE > MURPHY in county Tipperary or anywhere else in Ireland. > On the 1881 census in Merthyr tydfil glamorgan Wales the family are > residing > 13 court upper taff street > PATRICK is aged 32 and CATHERINE 28 > Checking the Roman Catholic church of st MARY i found the first child from > this marriage was MARY baptised 26 sep 1873 > theres no record of the family on 1871 census i can find ,and no marriage > in > Wales or England. > can someone help in anyway thankyou .JOHN MORRISS Deal kent > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1675 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

For Irish civil marriages 1870 and earlier, the Family History Library in Salt Lake City also holds the filmed civil registers. FamilySearch.org often has, in addition to the indexes that Clare checked, extractions of the actual register entries for this time period only. In this case, it appears that Patrick Morris is on the same page as Catherine Murphy, but they did not marry. They simply married on conscutive days and were thus recorded on the same page: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SL6-8PY/p4 groom's name: Patrick Morris groom's birth date: 1847 groom's age: 20 bride's name: Elizabeth Vaughan bride's birth date: 1842 bride's age: 25 marriage date: 04 Mar 1867 marriage place: Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland groom's father's name: Edward Morris bride's father's name: James Vaughan groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M70237-4 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101507 reference number: 869-67 >>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SL6-8PT/p1 groom's name: William Kenny groom's birth date: 1841 groom's age: 26 bride's name: Catherine Murphy bride's birth date: 1841 bride's age: 26 marriage date: 03 Mar 1867 marriage place: Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland groom's father's name: Mark Kenney bride's father's name: Terence Murphy groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single indexing project (batch) number: M70237-4 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101507 reference number: 869-66 >>> Looks like your search continues, John. Regards from soggy western Oregon, US Geralyn Wood Barry On 10/30/2011 12:26 PM, Clare Tuohy wrote: > Anyway there is a > marriage for a Patrick Morris in the Callan Registration district Year 1867 > volume 4 page 869 and also a match for Catherine Murphy with same reference > numbers. So it is possible but not definite that this is a marriage of > Patrick Morris and Catherine Murphy. However for confirmation you would have > to order the cert. See www.groireland.ie for information on ordering. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L Morriss"<l_morriss@sky.com> > To:<IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:03 PM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] MORRIS/MORRISS research > > > > My question is can anyone locate a marriage of PATRICK MORRIS /CATHERINE > MURPHY in county Tipperary or anywhere else in Ireland. > On the 1881 census in Merthyr tydfil glamorgan Wales the family are > residing > 13 court upper taff street > PATRICK is aged 32 and CATHERINE 28 > Checking the Roman Catholic church of st MARY i found the first child from > this marriage was MARY baptised 26 sep 1873 > theres no record of the family on 1871 census i can find ,and no marriage > in > Wales or England. > can someone help in anyway thankyou .JOHN MORRISS Deal kent > > >

In response to your news Christina, that's wonderful! Every tiny clue helps. Although sometimes it 'helps' us go a little more crazy trying to connect the dots. It's always fun to put the new information in the hopper and see where it may take us. From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> Subject: [IRL-TIP] Never give up To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4EAC979A.7040505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Congratulations!! I got one of those emails out of the blue last week. Not an Irish ancestor but one I had no info on after she was widowed and disappeared around 1820. A descendant from this second marriage wrote to me and said she remarried a third time and died an old lady in Iowa. Who knew. I last had sight of her in Pennsylvania. Without this email, I never would have found her and in fact did not hope to find what happened to her. I still don't know her maiden name, but I know about her later life. So, it is true. Someone somewhere may have the missing piece of the puzzle. Great news Erin. Chris

Clare . Thankyou for your reply . It is hard to think a wife and children would move to London without a Husband .However did they all go to London with the idea to come Australia and Matthew came out on one of ships that was lost to sort out where to live . The mystery continues . All the best Laurie -----Original Message----- From: irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clare Tuohy Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2011 5:16 AM To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s Laurie I noticed you had no response to your posting. This link may be of help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Thompson" <lt030329@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:56 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s > > Hello from Australia . Matthew Ryan and Julia Tobin had their last child > baptized at the Catholic Church Bansha in 1844 . The 1851 census has the > family in London minus Matthew . There is no death registered in London , > so > could he have died in Bansha area Tipperary . Was there a disease like > Cholera rampant then in this time slot . Looking at the 1851 London census > , > it seems everyone had maids from Tipperary , so there could have been an > event which sent all to London . Thanks for any replies . Laurie > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1672 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message IGP County Tipperary website: http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Searching for Michael Fahey (sp?) born in Ireland likely between 1833 and 1841. The earliest confirmed date I have for him is his marriage to Mary Rafferty in Cincinnati Ohio, in 1863. His father possibly was Thomas Fahey and his mother possibly Bridget Kelley. He may have been in Cleveland Ohio in 1862. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated. Peg Fay-Feder P Think Green. Please do not print this e-mail unless necessary

It is always terrific when a connection like this occurs. It used to happen more frequently when the lists were more active. About 10 years ago a distant cousin, son of my ggrandmother's sister, was searching for family information about the same time I was. After several emails, we finally confirmed our relationship and shared pictures and documents. Our gggs would have been so happy. Now...if a connection to my gggrandfather Samuel Rawlins could be made in Ireland or England...I would be overjoyed. Congratulations folks! Your successes keep us looking. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: irl-tipperary <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 8:20 pm Subject: [IRL-TIP] Never give up Congratulations!! got one of those emails out of the blue last week. Not an Irish ncestor but one I had no info on after she was widowed and disappeared round 1820. A descendant from this second marriage wrote to me and said he remarried a third time and died an old lady in Iowa. Who knew. I ast had sight of her in Pennsylvania. ithout this email, I never would have found her and in fact did not ope to find what happened to her. I still don't know her maiden name, ut I know about her later life. o, it is true. Someone somewhere may have the missing piece of the puzzle. reat news Erin. hris Erin James wrote: This is just a reminder to Never Give Up!! After years of banging my head against a brick wall today I got an email from a truly "long-lost" cousin. Several years ago I posted a message on Rootsweb, today, out of the blue, I got an answer. My father's family left Ireland in 1927 and settled in Long Island. He had two brothers and a sister. My father died very young, as did my mother. I lost all contact with my father's family (we lived in Florida). About 15 years ago I began trying to find the cousins I knew were out there. My search led me to second cousins in England, and I was thrilled to find them. They had no clue to the rest of the family in the US so were unable to help me with that search. But it was great fun meeting them! And now, today I get that impossible email. He'd seen a different posting I left somewhere about my father's name change. He'd Googled the name he knew my father had used and one thing led to another. Gotta love the internet! GP County Tipperary website: ttp://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Congratulations!! I got one of those emails out of the blue last week. Not an Irish ancestor but one I had no info on after she was widowed and disappeared around 1820. A descendant from this second marriage wrote to me and said she remarried a third time and died an old lady in Iowa. Who knew. I last had sight of her in Pennsylvania. Without this email, I never would have found her and in fact did not hope to find what happened to her. I still don't know her maiden name, but I know about her later life. So, it is true. Someone somewhere may have the missing piece of the puzzle. Great news Erin. Chris Erin James wrote: > This is just a reminder to Never Give Up!! > After years of banging my head against a brick wall today I got an email > from a truly "long-lost" cousin. Several years ago I posted a message on > Rootsweb, today, out of the blue, I got an answer. > My father's family left Ireland in 1927 and settled in Long Island. He had > two brothers and a sister. My father died very young, as did my mother. I > lost all contact with my father's family (we lived in Florida). About 15 > years ago I began trying to find the cousins I knew were out there. My > search led me to second cousins in England, and I was thrilled to find > them. They had no clue to the rest of the family in the US so were unable to > help me with that search. But it was great fun meeting them! > And now, today I get that impossible email. He'd seen a different posting I > left somewhere about my father's name change. He'd Googled the name he knew > my father had used and one thing led to another. Gotta love the internet!

This is just a reminder to Never Give Up!! After years of banging my head against a brick wall today I got an email from a truly "long-lost" cousin. Several years ago I posted a message on Rootsweb, today, out of the blue, I got an answer. My father's family left Ireland in 1927 and settled in Long Island. He had two brothers and a sister. My father died very young, as did my mother. I lost all contact with my father's family (we lived in Florida). About 15 years ago I began trying to find the cousins I knew were out there. My search led me to second cousins in England, and I was thrilled to find them. They had no clue to the rest of the family in the US so were unable to help me with that search. But it was great fun meeting them! And now, today I get that impossible email. He'd seen a different posting I left somewhere about my father's name change. He'd Googled the name he knew my father had used and one thing led to another. Gotta love the internet!

Laurie I noticed you had no response to your posting. This link may be of help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Thompson" <lt030329@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:56 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Diseases in Bansha Tipperary 1840`s > > Hello from Australia . Matthew Ryan and Julia Tobin had their last child > baptized at the Catholic Church Bansha in 1844 . The 1851 census has the > family in London minus Matthew . There is no death registered in London , > so > could he have died in Bansha area Tipperary . Was there a disease like > Cholera rampant then in this time slot . Looking at the 1851 London census > , > it seems everyone had maids from Tipperary , so there could have been an > event which sent all to London . Thanks for any replies . Laurie > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1672 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message