Thanks for this advice, Pat. I know Ancestry transcriptions contain plenty of errors. But other than verifying what I've found on Ancestry, is it worth the trouble to look at the film? What else of value can be learned from the film? Thanks, Karen. > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:14:06 -0700 > From: nymets22@gmail.com > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] IRL-TIPPERARY Kilpeak/Kilpheak > > I wouldn't use the Ancestry site for the tithes. They are full of > transcription errors, not only of names of people but names of townlands. > Since they don't show the original document, like they do with the > censuses, use as a guide but always go back to the original for sourcing > (on Family History Library films). > > Plus, having transcribed a number of tithes, the enumerators had a very > hard time spelling both surnames and townland names. So, even if Ancestry > got it right, you won't know till the see the document.

When if was at my local Family Hist. Center yesterday, I pulled some Irish names out of the Declaration of Intentions there. The year of the applications is 1915. The Declaration of Intention was the first step in becoming a U.S. Citizen. It is also called First Papers. After 1906 it was a 3 step process to become a citizen. First this Declaration. Then the Petition for Naturalization and when the Petition was granted the person became a citizen and got their citizenship paper. Here is the one I saw for Tipperary: No. 48414 Name: Matthew Anthony QUIGLEY Age: 23 Occupation: Clerk Description: Color: White Complexion: Fair Height: 5'11½" Weight: 150 Hair Color: Brown Eye Color: Gray Marks: none Where Born: Nenagh Ireland Date of Birth: 9 Jan 1892 Resides: 134 Prospect Place, Brooklyn, NY Emigrated from: Queenstown Vessel: Campania Foreign Residence was: Nenagh Ireland Arrived at Port of: New York Date of Arrival: 13 Apr 1913 Date Sworn: 6 Mar 1915 -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ ===============================

Good afternoon Karen, Are you looking for Hogan family? I am descended from a Denis Hogan who was born somewhere in Tipperary ca 1811, and who came to Australia as a convict in the 1830s. Unfortunately, when the Irish convicts came here, there was very little information on their families, and I have no idea who were his parents, or where he actually lived. In Australia, Denis married a Margaret Carey, who I assume from what I have read about her, was also Irish. Their children were named James, John, Mary and Timothy. Denis died in 1850, and Margaret died in 1853, both in Sydney, and so far as I can work out Mary b. 1845 and Timothy b. 1848 did not marry, There is a Timothy Hogan dying around the mid 1850s, no parents names shown, who could well be their son. Mary's date of death is not known. I can remember my cousin telling me years ago, that someone in our earlier families became a Nun, and I think perhaps it might be this Mary Hogan. James and John both went on to have large families here in New South Wales. If you should come across a Denis Hogan who suddenly disappears, he could well be mine, and I would love to hear about him. Elizabeth Walker, nee Hogan. On 27/04/2012 1:34 PM, karen conderan wrote: > Pete, > Thank-you so much for your reply. > Your theory made perfect sense to me. > As a test, I went back to the Ancestry site and searched all the Tithe Applotment entries for "Kilpeak". There are only eight entries; all read "Kilpeak, Erry", and all are dated 1827. Nothing at all for "Kilpheak". > Then I looked at Griffith's Val. 1853 and found no entries at all under "Kilpeak" but nine entries listed as "Kilpheak, St. Patricksrock". > So it does appear that sometime between 1827 and 1853, the boundaries changed. > There is some consistency of surnames on both lists, ie. Hogans and Murphys. > > Also interesting that the spelling is so very consistent in each set of records; guessing that reflects the original Irish placename in the Tithe Applotments and an Anglicized version of same in Griffith's Val. > > Thanks again for helping me solve the mystery! > > Karen. > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I wouldn't use the Ancestry site for the tithes. They are full of transcription errors, not only of names of people but names of townlands. Since they don't show the original document, like they do with the censuses, use as a guide but always go back to the original for sourcing (on Family History Library films). Plus, having transcribed a number of tithes, the enumerators had a very hard time spelling both surnames and townland names. So, even if Ancestry got it right, you won't know till the see the document. > As a test, I went back to the Ancestry site and searched all the Tithe > Applotment entries for "Kilpeak". There are only eight entries; all read > "Kilpeak, Erry", and all are dated 1827. Nothing at all for "Kilpheak". > Then I looked at Griffith's Val. 1853 and found no entries at all under > "Kilpeak" but nine entries listed as "Kilpheak, St. Patricksrock". > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Abstracts of County Tipperary Grand Jury Presentments granted At Summer Assizes, 1831 - Barony of Iffa & Offa East JEPHSON, Lorenzo H. COX, Michael SEXTON, James to repair 120 perches of the road from Carrick-on-Suir to Callan and Kilkenny, between John GRACE'S house on Sir John's road and the cross roads leading to Ballinagrana JEPHSON, Lorenzo H. COX, Michael HEALY, Joseph to repair 52 perches of the road from Carrick-on-Suir to Callan between Edmond QUINLAN'S house at the corner of the mail coach road in Carrick-on-Suir, and Mr. JEPHSON'S gate on Sir John's road JEPHSON, Lorenzo H. COX, Michael KELLY, Philip to repair 54 perches of the road from Fethard to Waterford, between John MAHER'S house in New street & the corner of New street, all in the town of Carrick-on-Suir CAREY, Robert SULLIVAN, Charles to repair 321 perches of the road from Clonmel to Thurles, between the cross roads at Donoughmore and the cross roads of Lisronagh BARTON, Wm. GOUGH, Hugh (Sir) GRUBB, Robert NAPPER, William FITZGERALD, John to repair 1076 per. of the road from Clonmel to Fethard, between the turnpike road at the barracks of Clonmel and the end of Fortwilliam GOUGH, Hugh (Sir) HOOPS, A. (Rev) KEATING, Michael LARKIN, John to repair 376 perches and a half of the road fro Clonmel to Cashel, betw. the Widow WALSH'S gate at Ballyveelish and the village of Clerihan KEATING, Patrick High-constable, for paying his Warrant Barony of Iffa & Offa West QUINN, Wm. (Jun.) MURPHY, James MARTIN, Robert to repair 195 perches of the road from Cashel to Dungarvan, between Patrick DUNN'S house on the old Caher road and John GOING'S house at Ballyduag CAVENDISH, Thomas (Rev) BLAKE, John MURPHY, Bartholomew to repair 382 perches of the road from Caher to Lismore, between John WOODLOCK'S cross road at Derravoher and John O'DONNELL'S forge at Derravoher HUTCHINSON, John H. Hill, James (Rev.) MURPHY, Jas. to repair 247 perches of the road from Clogheen to Dungarvan, between the west end of the Tarr bridge and the old pound at Newcastle QUINN, William (Jun.) FENNELL, William J. MURPHY, James MORRISSY, Andrew to repair 414 perches of the road from Fethard to Clogheen, between the cross roads at Ballindunny, and the end of a stone wall on the townland of Marlhill GLENGALL, Earl CHAYTOR, John DORNEY, Maurice to repair 289 perches of the road from Mitchelstown to Clonmel, between the bounds of Scartana and the cross roads of Loughnaboo MONTGOMERY, Thomas to be Supervisor without salary, to 400 perches of the road from Clogheen to Mitchelstown, between James FITZGERALD'S house at the finger-post and the bounds of the County near Mitchelstown FLAHERTY, James High Constable, for paying his Warrant Regards, Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ https://www.facebook.com/IrelandGenealogyProjects ===============================

Pete, Thank-you so much for your reply. Your theory made perfect sense to me. As a test, I went back to the Ancestry site and searched all the Tithe Applotment entries for "Kilpeak". There are only eight entries; all read "Kilpeak, Erry", and all are dated 1827. Nothing at all for "Kilpheak". Then I looked at Griffith's Val. 1853 and found no entries at all under "Kilpeak" but nine entries listed as "Kilpheak, St. Patricksrock". So it does appear that sometime between 1827 and 1853, the boundaries changed. There is some consistency of surnames on both lists, ie. Hogans and Murphys. Also interesting that the spelling is so very consistent in each set of records; guessing that reflects the original Irish placename in the Tithe Applotments and an Anglicized version of same in Griffith's Val. Thanks again for helping me solve the mystery! Karen.

Ahhh. I guess so. LOL Have a few more to post. Christina Geralyn Barry wrote: > Very interesting list, Christina... Thank you for posting it. I found several local figures who interacted with my Kavanagh-Keyes family that lived in the vicinity of Clonmore (east of Templemore) near the Laois border. > > Should the one below be a *bridge* over the river Multeen? > >> SCOTT, John >> to build a river over the river Multeen on the road from Tipperary to >> Templemore, between the cross roads on the lands of Clone and the Widow >> ENGLISH'S house on said lands >> >>

Very interesting list, Christina... Thank you for posting it. I found several local figures who interacted with my Kavanagh-Keyes family that lived in the vicinity of Clonmore (east of Templemore) near the Laois border. Should the one below be a *bridge* over the river Multeen? Geralyn Wood Barry On 4/25/2012 7:44 AM, Christina Hunt wrote: > Grand Jury Presentments - 1831 > County at Large page 2 > > > HAWARDEN, Lord > STEWART, John > HENDERSON, George > RYAN, Peter > SCOTT, John > to build a river over the river Multeen on the road from Tipperary to > Templemore, between the cross roads on the lands of Clone and the Widow > ENGLISH'S house on said lands > >

Grand Jury Presentments - 1831 County at Large page 2 COX, Richard GRUBB, Robert CORBETT, Lawrence CORBETT, Patrick to repair 464 perches of the mailcoach road from Clonmel to Waterford. From James CASEY'S house in New street, Carrick-on-Suir, and the bounds of the county Same Overseers to repair 62 perches of the mail-coach road from Clonmel to Waterford, between Martin FITZPATRICK'S house in Graystone street, Carrick-on-Suir, and the Post-Office in said town MOORE, Stephen BYRNE, Cornelius to repair 462 perches of foot path on the side of the mail coach road from Clonmel to Caher, between the finger post at Tubberaheena and the cross roads at Patrick's well RYAN, Thomas, Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of mail coach road - 2560 perches KINGSTON, Earl MONTGOMERY, Thomas O'CALLAGHAN, Daniel DONOHOE, John to build a bridge of one arch over the river Barabee, on the road from Hospital to Clogheen, between the townlands of Skeheenarinky & Barabee LISMORE, Lord TAYLOR, Edwin GRUBB, Samuel MURPHY, Martin to build a bridge between Michael KENNELLY'S house and his land at Kilballyboy - road from Clogheen to Dungarvan Same Overseers to build a bridge between Bat ? BURKE'S house & Patrick RYAN'S field, in the townland of Kilballyboy, on the road from Clogheen to Dungarvan Same Overseers to build a bridge between Edmond HEFFERNAN'S Land & Phil HEFFERNAN'S land in the townland of Kilballyboy, on the road from Clogheen to Dungarvan Same Overseers to build a gullet between Denis KEOGH'S house and the road leading to Lismore, in the townland of Mount Anglesea, on the road from Clogheen to Dungarvan LISMORE, Lord TAYLOR, Edwin CORBETT, Bartholomew to repair a guard wall to the bridge of Tourbeg on the road from Clogheen to Hospital LISMORE, Lord TAYLOR, Edwin CONWAY, Edward repair 481 perches of the mial coarch road from Clonmel to Mitchelstown to Tipperary, between Denis DUGGAN'S field at Ballyrue and Bawnbeg bridge BEAMISH, Richard MASSEY, Bolton O'NEILL, Cornelius MAHONY, Cornelius to build a bridge on the new intended road from Mitchelstown to Tipperary, on the townland of Rathmile, between Kilross valley and Shronehill cross PUREFOY, William COOTE, Charles P. MOORE, Southwell CONNOR, Michael to build a bridge of three arches over the great ford dividing Lisnakelly from Ayle, on the road from Tipperary to Newport MOORE, M.C. BEAMISH, Richard MASSEY, John B. MAHONY, Cornelius to build 18 gullets on the new intended road from Mitchelstown to Tipperary, between Kilross valley and Shronehill cross, on the townlands of Kockballynamilu, Kilpatrick, Rathmile, Clerkstown, Tower, and Ballinahow O'MEAGHER, Denis LYNCH, Thomas MORRISSY to build two gullets on the mail coach road from Waterford to Limerick, between Michael O'BRIEN'S cross at Ballydrihid and the centre of the bridge of Cappagh, on the townland of Toureen DOHERTY, John N. MORRISSY, John MORRISSY, Thomas to pave the water course to the new bridge of Ballydrihid, on the townland of Ballydrihid, on the mail coach road from Caher to Tipperary O'MEAGHER, Stephen CAVANAGH, John to repair 356 perches of the mail coach road from Waterford to Limerick, between Timothy DUGGAN'S bounds ditch and Thomas BUTLER'S gate, all in the townland of Ballydrihid COOKE, John O'NEILL, Michael POWER, Thos. to repair the bridge of Clare, between the chapel of Killusty and John CLANCY'S house, in the townland of Clare, on the road from Clonmel to Mullnahone SANKEY, Matthew BARTON, Wm. STOKES, Patrick MAHER, john to build a guard wall to a dangerous pool of water of the side of the road from Fethard to Kilenaule, opposite Thomas MAHER'S house at Coolmore ROE, William O'MEAGHER, Pierce DUNN, Edward to repair 870 perches of the mail coach road from Dublin to Cork, between the mile stone at the Race course and the cross of New Inn ROE, William DUNN, Edward to repair 644 perches of the mail coach road from Dublin to Cork, between the turn of the Shanbally road and the mile stone at the Race course MORRISSY, Patrick (Rev) COX, Michael CARRIGAN, Denis MULCAHY, Daniel SHEA, Maurice to build a bridge over the river Lingane at Maurice SHEA'S house on the road from Clonmel to the slate quarries, on the townlands of Ballinvire and Gurrane LANGLEY, Henry PONSONBY, Wm. LLOYD, Henry MARNEL, Michael to build a bridge over the river Farranrory, on the townland of Farranrory, on the road from Kilkenny and Coalbrook collieries to Kilenaule BEERE, Richard MILLETT, Thomas HUNT, William to build a bridge over the Ballybeg river, in the townland of Ballybeg, on the road from Kilenaule to the Horse-and-Jockey GRUNDY, William BAKER, Thomas L. CAHILL, Thomas MULHALL, John MULHALL, Edmond to build a gullet across the road from Carrick-on-Suir to Templemore and Urlingford, in the townland of Fahonamoyla CROAK, Jeffrey CROAK, William to build a gullet at Kilballygalvin, on the road from Carrick-on-Suir to Urlingford, in the townland of Kilballygalvin JACOB, Matthew HAYDEN, Thomas CONDON, Michael to build a guard wall to a dangerous precipice on the side of the road from Thurles to Clonmel, on the townland of Ballybay HAWARDEN, Lord STEWART, John HENDERSON, George RYAN, Peter SCOTT, John to build a river over the river Multeen on the road from Tipperary to Templemore, between the cross roads on the lands of Clone and the Widow ENGLISH'S house on said lands LISMORE, Lord TAYLOR, Edwin KILBRIDE, Patrick STAPLETON, George to build a bridge - road from Cullen to Nenagh, between the lands of Glengar and Leugh, in the townlands of Glengar and Leugh HAWARDEN, Lord STEWART, John CORBETT, Jeremiah to build an arch over a rapid stream of water at the boundery of Dundrum wood, on the lands of Garryduff, on the new line of road from Templemore to Tipperary HAWARDEN, Lord STEWART, John BURKE, Michael CORBETT, Jeremiah to build an arch over a rapid stream of water on the lands of Bishopswood near STAPLETON'S house, on the new line of road from Templemore to Tipperary COOKE, Samuel BENNETT, Theophilus FOGARTY, Edmond to repair the bridge of Loughmore on the townland of Loughmore, on the road from Burris-o'leigh to Johnstown CARDEN, H.R. (Sir) WILLINGTON, Theobald RYAN, Denis SCOTT, William to build a guard wall at Clonmore in the townland of Clonmore on the road from Templemore to Rathdowney PRITTIE, F.A. (Hon.) MARA, Jeremiah to build a gullet, between the old road from Roscrea to Cloghjordan and the new intended road from Roscrea to Cloghjordan Same Overseers to build a gullet over the new intended road from Roscrea to Cloughjordan, between the old road and Daniel COUZENS'S house on townland of Cloncrekin BUTLER, James RYAN, Denis SCOTT, William to repair the bridge of Derryvilla, on the road from Templemore to Johnstown CRAWFORD, William C. McDONALD, James McDONALD, Wm. to repair the bridge of Rapla, on the road from Nenagh to Burris-o'kane, between Rapla lodge and Pat. HOGAN'S house in the townland of Rapla BENNETT, John BRERETON, Thomas CARROLL, James to lower a hill and fill a hollow in the townland of Rathmulteen, on the new line of road from Nenagh to Roscrea WALLER, Thomas STONEY, Thomas G. GLISSAN, Patrick to widen and repair the bridge of Ballyfinboy, on the road from Portumna to Nenagh LEE, Henry MOORE, Matthew (Rev) RYAN, James RYAN, Jeremiah to repair the bridge of Mount Lane road from Newport to Nenagh GABBETT, R. (Rev) PARKER, Anthony MAGRATH, John to repair the east battlements of Castletown bridge on the townland of Castletown, on the road from Nenagh to Killaloe PENNEFATHER, J. (Rev) RYAN, William PHILLIPS, Richard MOORE, M. (Rev) CHAPMAN, John CONROY, Charles to lower a hill and fill a hollow, on the road from Newport to Limerick, between the new Anglesea road east of Newport, and the bridge east of the cross east of the County of Limerick bounds Lord Bishop of KILLALOE PURDON, George FRANKS, Henry ASHBURY, William to repair the battlements on the side walls of Templekelly bridge, on the road from Killaloe to Limerick Christina

I was just noticing that when I redid the Tipperary website, I seemed to mislay a large set called Abstract of presentments passed by the Grand Jury, and granted by the Court at Summer Assizes, 1831 I feel badly that they had been missing. Presentments ALEXANDER, Noble, Bridewell keeper of Clogheen, for his half year's salary ALLEN, Geo. W., ditto Carrick (Session house rent) ARDAGH, Andrew, Bridewell keeper of Thurles for his half year's salary ARDAGH, Andrew, Bridewell keeper of Thurles, for fuel & straw supplied to Prisoners BAGWELL, Col (reps of) for a half year's rent of the Co. Court house BAGWELL, William, to build a guard wall at Glinconnor over the Boulick stream... BAKER, Thomas L., Coroner, for holding 7 Inquests BARTON, Samuel, clerical error in # 207 passed last Assizes BARTON, William, ditto Fethard (Session house rent) BOURKE, Patrick, to widen, fence, & make 134 perches of the mail coach road from to Carrick-on-Suir , between Glindoolan bridge and Capt. POWER'S plantation BRADSHAW, George, for 4 Inquests BUTLER, James, Court house keeper, for his half year's salary CARDEN, Henry R. (Sir), for a half years rent of Templemore Bridewell CARROLL, James, for 14 Inquests CHAYTOR, John for rent of Tipperary Regimental Stores ... CONDON, William, for repairing the bridge of Birdhill CORMACK, Michael, holding 17 Inquests CREAGH, Richard, for one year's rent of Golden Petit Sessions house DAVERN, Thomas, for repairing the bridge Ballybeg DELANY, Patrick, for repairing two gullets at Gurtovoher west DUCKETT, Richard, Sub Sheriff, for his half years salary DUNN, Edward, amt. of wages not paid last Assizes ENGLAND, Benjamin, Bridewell keeper of Roscrea for his half years's salary FALKINER, Frederick, Clerk of the Crown, for his half year's salary FANNING, Edmond, Sessions house keeper of Thurles, for his half year's salary GOING, William ditto Ballinonty (Session house rent) GORMAN, Ellen, for printing the flated ? Presentments of last Assizes GREEN, Joseph, Bridewell keeper of Newport, for his half year's salary GRUBB, Robert, to repair a dangerous breach in the guard wall at Tubberaheena... GRUBB, Thomas S. for a half year's rent of the Co. Court house HASKETT, John, Bridewell keeper of Burrisokane, for his half year's salary HEANY, Thomas, for killing an Otter HEMPHILL, John, Surgeon of the County Infirmary, for his half year's salary HENEY, James, Treasurer of Lowe's-green, Dispensary... HILL, Harvey, &c for a ½ year's rent of the ground occupied in enlarging the county gaol HILL, Matthew, for 3 Inquests HILLARD, Thomas, Bridewell keeper, of Templemore for his half year's salary HOLMES, Peter, for a half year's rent of Nenagh Bridewell JEPHSON, Lorenzo H., to repair abutments & battlement walls of the bridge of Carrick-on-Suir JORDAN, Abraham, Bridewell keeper of Cashel, for his half year's salary KEATING, Michael, for destroying Vermin since last Assizes KIRWAN, John, for his superannuated allowance, having been wounded on service LADDY, John ditto Ballyporeen (Session house rent) LANE, Ambrose, Treasurer, for his half year's salary LAURENCE, Richard (Rev) Treasurer of Littleton Dispensary LISMORE, (Lord), for a half year's rent of Clogheen Bridewell LLANDAFF, (Earl), for a half year's rent of Thurles Bridewell LONERGAN, Mich., clerical error in # 207 passed last Assizes MALCOMSON, David, to repair the navigation trackway from Clonmel to Carrick-on-Suir McKENNA, Wm., to build a guard wall at Glinconnor over the Boulick stream... MOLLONY, Rev. Mr. ditto Clonoulty (Session house rent) MOORE, Stephen, to repair a dangerous breach in the guard wall at Tubberaheena... MURPHY, William, Interpreter, for his half year's salary NOWLAN, John, Bridewell keeper of Caher for his half year's salary PAYNE, James, for furnishing a Plan of the new House of Correction PEACOCK, George (Rev), Treasurer of Templetoohy Dispensary PENNEFATHER, Matthew, for a half year's rent of Cashel Bridewell PERRY, William, to repair a dangerous breach in the guard wall at Tubberaheena... POOLE, J.M. (Rev), Treasurer of the County Infirmary, in aid of same POWER, John, to repair the navigation trackway from Clonmel to Carrick-on-Suir... QUINN, N. (Dr.), for one year's salary as Physician to Nenagh Bridewell RIALL, Arthur, clerical error in # 207 passed last Assizes ROBERTS, Thos., to build a guard wall at Glinconnor over the Boulick stream... RYAN, James, for arresting a felon who was convicted RYAN, Matthew, for destroying Vermin since last Assizes RYAN, Patrick ditto Burrisoleigh (Session house rent) RYAN, Thomas, to widen, fence, & make 134 perches of the mail coach road from to Carrick-on-Suir , between Glindoolan bridge and Capt. POWER'S plantation SADLEIR, Thomas, Clerk of the Peace, for his half year's salary SARGINT, Edward, to repair the navigation trackway from Clonmel to Carrick-on-Suir SARGINT, Henry, for half year's rent of Caher Bridewell SMITH, J.R., to widen, fence, & make 134 perches of the mail coach road from Clonmel to Carrick-on-Suir , between Glindoolan bridge and Capt. POWER'S plantation STAPLETON, Michael, Bridewell keeper of New Birmingham, for his half year's STONEY, Robert J., for repairing the bridge of Kileavalla SULLIVAN, Michael, for arresting a felon who was convicted SWEENEY, Patrick, Bridewell keeper of Tipperary, for his half year's salary SWITZER, Robert, Bridewell keeper of Nenagh, for his half year's salary THOMPSON, John, for 14 Inquests TOBIN, Michael, to repair abutments & battlement walls of the bridge of Carrick-on-Suir TOWERS, Thomas, for a half year's rent of Burrisokane Bridewell TREEHY, Judith, ditto Newcastle (Session house rent) VOWELL, William, Gaoler, for escorting Prisoners since last Assizes WALL, Charles W., to repair abutments & battlement walls of the bridge of Carrick-on-Suir WALLER, Robert (Sir), for a half year's rent of Newport Bridewell WILLIAMS, Joshua, ditto New-Inn (Session house rent) WOODWARD, (Major) Inspector of Prisons, for his half years salary -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ https://www.facebook.com/IrelandGenealogyProjects ===============================

I see you have had an answer.......I was looking at Erry N.E. of Cashel. Slán, Kevin. My Irish ancestry research blog. http://kevsirishresearch.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: K McC <thatsgrandso@yahoo.ie> To: "irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com" <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 9:31:26 Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Kilpeak? Hi, I looked on the ordnance survey map of Ireland and could not find it but WNW of Erry there is a place called Peake.   "Kil" represents church so I would suggest it might be a site for a very old church or it might be a name for a farm or large property.     Slán, Kevin. My Irish ancestry research blog. http://kevsirishresearch.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: karen conderan <kcond@live.ca> To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 3:44:00 Subject: [IRL-TIP] Kilpeak?   Hi everyone. Please, can anyone help with this placename? I can't find Kilpeak on Google or Google maps. I have Walter Hogan, baptised in RC parish Cashel, 29.6.1827, son of Edmund Hogan & Judith Wall, address Kilpeak. I also found a Tithe Applotment record, 1827 for Edmund Hogan, Kilpeak, Erry. Found Erry on the map, but is Kilpeak just too small  - or has it disappeared entirely...? Also, this family is recorded as living at Stephenstown on baptismal records 1829-1846; emigrated to Canada 1847. Trying to pinpoint an exact place of dwelling, a farm, etc. for relatives planning to visit Tipp in Sept. Any help most appreciated! Karen.                           ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I looked on the ordnance survey map of Ireland and could not find it but WNW of Erry there is a place called Peake.   "Kil" represents church so I would suggest it might be a site for a very old church or it might be a name for a farm or large property.     Slán, Kevin. My Irish ancestry research blog. http://kevsirishresearch.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: karen conderan <kcond@live.ca> To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 3:44:00 Subject: [IRL-TIP] Kilpeak? Hi everyone. Please, can anyone help with this placename? I can't find Kilpeak on Google or Google maps. I have Walter Hogan, baptised in RC parish Cashel, 29.6.1827, son of Edmund Hogan & Judith Wall, address Kilpeak. I also found a Tithe Applotment record, 1827 for Edmund Hogan, Kilpeak, Erry. Found Erry on the map, but is Kilpeak just too small  - or has it disappeared entirely...? Also, this family is recorded as living at Stephenstown on baptismal records 1829-1846; emigrated to Canada 1847. Trying to pinpoint an exact place of dwelling, a farm, etc. for relatives planning to visit Tipp in Sept. Any help most appreciated! Karen.                         ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have noticed, have we any Heffernan or Comerford researches out there. Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-tipperary-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49 > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > DELETE all extra text in the Digest > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quick question. (robert ryan) > 2. Re: Quick question. (gothic@acd.net) > 3. If you are feeling bored... (Christina Hunt) > 4. List of Forfeited Claims (Christina Hunt) > 5. Re: List of Forfeited Claims (A. M. McFarlane) > 6. Re: List of Forfeited Claims (Christina Hunt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:30:46 -0400 > From: "robert ryan" <ryanblack@cox.net> > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Quick question. > To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C84CE54468EB4CE28AAD9E72DE80EBAC@Jeremiah> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is the activity on the site very slow? > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:03:33 -0400 > From: <gothic@acd.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Quick question. > To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <8b8cbe1728b51efdbe8303d4862b78de@pop3.acd.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It is a bit slow right now. > > Mary Anne > > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:30:46 -0400, "robert ryan" <ryanblack@cox.net> > wrote: >> Is the activity on the site very slow? >> >> Bob >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Tipperary Queries >> > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:30:40 -0400 > From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-TIP] If you are feeling bored... > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4F955980.70100@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If you are bored and want to poke around, check out the IGP Facebook page. > Lots > to see even if you aren't on Facebook yourself. > https://www.facebook.com/IrelandGenealogyProjects > > If you are on Facebook you can Like Us and then post a query. > > Or post one here. :) > > Pete Schermerhorn is back on the lists after having problems with his > server. > Now is your chance to ask questions about a Place. > > Christina > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:43:11 -0400 > From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-TIP] List of Forfeited Claims > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4F956A7F.8020404@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mary Heaphy has typed up a List of Forfeited Claims for Tipperary - 1700. > These are under our LAND Subject Heading. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/ > > You can now use the search box on this main page for the county to search > JUST > Tipperary. That should make searching easier. > > We also have a Search Page with the various options to help you search > what you > are interested in. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/search.htm > > Hope it helps! > Christina > IGP Archives > > To share: > http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:54:46 -0400 > From: "A. M. McFarlane" <agneis@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] List of Forfeited Claims > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <3go8jav6axn9x41nwpndud83.1335192886766@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Just wondering whether these lands would most likely have been owned by > ordinary people or more prosperous folks who were loyal to the crown. > Or both? > I won't look for my poorer Irish Catholic rellies in the database if it > was the latter. > > AgnesChristina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote:Mary Heaphy has typed up a > List of Forfeited Claims for Tipperary - 1700. > These are under our LAND Subject Heading. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/ > > You can now use the search box on this main page for the county to search > JUST > Tipperary. That should make searching easier. > > We also have a Search Page with the various options to help you search > what you > are interested in. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/search.htm > > Hope it helps! > Christina > IGP Archives > > To share: > http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:21:57 -0400 > From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] List of Forfeited Claims > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4F958FB5.2090702@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Agnes, > I would assume these were prosperous people since they were land owners. > Most > land records this far back would be for the "gentry". > Christina > > > A. M. McFarlane wrote: >> Just wondering whether these lands would most likely have been owned by >> ordinary people or more prosperous folks who were loyal to the crown. >> Or both? >> I won't look for my poorer Irish Catholic rellies in the database if it >> was the latter. >> >> AgnesChristina Hunt<chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote:Mary Heaphy has typed up >> a List of Forfeited Claims for Tipperary - 1700. >> These are under our LAND Subject Heading. >> http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-TIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49 > ********************************************

Karen writes: === I also found a Tithe Applotment record, 1827 for Edmund Hogan, Kilpeak, Erry. Found Erry on the map, but is Kilpeak just too small - or has it disappeared entirely...? Also, this family is recorded as living at Stephenstown on baptismal records 1829-1846; === Karen, Kilpeak is undoubtedly the small-ish townland of Kilpheak, located in St. Patrick's Rock civil parish and is just 2 miles SE of Cashel town. Kilpheak is just one mile from Stephenstown - which is in St. Johnbaptist civil parish. The large townland of Erry is located 5 miles NE of Cashel town in its eponymous parish. It is 5 to 6 miles north-ish of the other two townlands. Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Hi everyone. Please, can anyone help with this placename? I can't find Kilpeak on Google or Google maps. I have Walter Hogan, baptised in RC parish Cashel, 29.6.1827, son of Edmund Hogan & Judith Wall, address Kilpeak. I also found a Tithe Applotment record, 1827 for Edmund Hogan, Kilpeak, Erry. Found Erry on the map, but is Kilpeak just too small - or has it disappeared entirely...? Also, this family is recorded as living at Stephenstown on baptismal records 1829-1846; emigrated to Canada 1847. Trying to pinpoint an exact place of dwelling, a farm, etc. for relatives planning to visit Tipp in Sept. Any help most appreciated! Karen.

I have just uploaded Royal Irish Constabulary men who joined in 1841-1842. The transcription was done by Richard Leonard. The names are: BOUGHAN, John CUDDIHY, John CULLINANE, William CASHEN, Patrick DWYER, Mathew FLANAGAN, Michael FLEWALLEN, John GREY, James GORMAN, Jon HOWARD, Patrick HUNGERFORD, Richard KENNEDY, John LEWIS, William LACY, James McNAMARA, Patrick MAHER, James McKEOGH, Cornelius NASH, Philip PHELAN, Denis RYAN, John RYAN, James SMYTH, Stephen STAPLETON, William TALBOT, Michael If anyone is of interest - you can get more info at: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on TIPPERARY and then Military & Constabulary Regards, Christina ===============================

Agnes, I would assume these were prosperous people since they were land owners. Most land records this far back would be for the "gentry". Christina A. M. McFarlane wrote: > Just wondering whether these lands would most likely have been owned by ordinary people or more prosperous folks who were loyal to the crown. > Or both? > I won't look for my poorer Irish Catholic rellies in the database if it was the latter. > > AgnesChristina Hunt<chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote:Mary Heaphy has typed up a List of Forfeited Claims for Tipperary - 1700. > These are under our LAND Subject Heading. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/ >

Just wondering whether these lands would most likely have been owned by ordinary people or more prosperous folks who were loyal to the crown. Or both? I won't look for my poorer Irish Catholic rellies in the database if it was the latter. AgnesChristina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote:Mary Heaphy has typed up a List of Forfeited Claims for Tipperary - 1700. These are under our LAND Subject Heading. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/ You can now use the search box on this main page for the county to search JUST Tipperary. That should make searching easier. We also have a Search Page with the various options to help you search what you are interested in. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/search.htm Hope it helps! Christina IGP Archives To share: http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Heaphy has typed up a List of Forfeited Claims for Tipperary - 1700. These are under our LAND Subject Heading. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/ You can now use the search box on this main page for the county to search JUST Tipperary. That should make searching easier. We also have a Search Page with the various options to help you search what you are interested in. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/search.htm Hope it helps! Christina IGP Archives To share: http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/

If you are bored and want to poke around, check out the IGP Facebook page. Lots to see even if you aren't on Facebook yourself. https://www.facebook.com/IrelandGenealogyProjects If you are on Facebook you can Like Us and then post a query. Or post one here. :) Pete Schermerhorn is back on the lists after having problems with his server. Now is your chance to ask questions about a Place. Christina