Abstracts of County Tipperary Grand Jury Presentments granted At Summer Assizes, 1831 Part 8 Barony of Lower Ormond DEMPSTER, James BENNETT, John FLANNERY, Wm. to repair 38 perches of the road from Nenagh to Clonmel, between the market cross in the town of Nenagh and the barony bridge adjoining the market-house GLEESON, Patrick GLEESON, James to stop up both ends of 144 perches of the old narrow road from Burris-o'kane to Toomevara, between the pier on the Burris-o'kane road at Grange, a new road having been opened which answers all the purposes of the old road FALKINER, Joseph LALOR, John to repair 540 perches of the road from Portumna to Cloghjordan, between th e cross of Killea and the end of Mr. SADLEIR'S Supervisorship at Darby MORAN'S house at Gurteen VOUGHAN, Richard P. Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road TRENCH, William Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PARKER, Anthony Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road CAMBIE, Charles Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road ROBBINSON, Robert Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road WALSH, Jonathan W. Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road BRERETON, Thomas Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road FALKINER, Richard Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road STONEY, Robert J. Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road ATKINSON, Charles to be Supervisor w/o salary, to 2000 perches of the road from Burris-o'kane to Portumna, between the cross at Burris wood and ending at the bridge of Terryglass MINNETT, Joshua Supervisor, being a Clerical error in the tot of his presentment at last Assizes FALKINER, Joseph High-Constable, being the difference between £5 13s 19d and £5 19s 3d by the hundred acres, the former having been collected instead of the latter, as per annexed certificate and affidavit FALKINER, J. H. C. (High-Constable), for paying his Warrant WOODWARD, Daniel £ 5, and Patrick MULCAHY, £3, for a house and furniture maliciously burned Barony of Owney & Arra GRANTHAM, John CREERY, George MARTIN, James to lay out, form, level, drain, fence and make 588 perches of the new intended road from Nenagh to Killaloe near Portroe, between the lower road between Nenagh and Killaloe near Portroe, and the Corbally quarries on the upper road between said towns DUNALLY, Lord McCRAITH, John RYAN, Matthew to lay out, open, form, fence, drain, trunk, level and make 248 perches of the new intended road from Templemore to Limerick, between the new road at Cranagh and a hole in the side of the mail-coach road south of William CLARKE'S house on the lands of Ballintinoe PENNEFATHER, John (Rev) RYAN, William PHILLIPS, Richard MOORE, Matthew (Rev) CHAPMAN, John CONROY, Charles to gravel 1142 perches and a quarter of the road from Newport to Limerick, between the west end of the new Anglesea road east of Newport, and the bridge east of the cross keys at the bounds of the counties of Tipperary and Limerick MOORE, Matthew (Rev) Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PHILLIPS, Richard Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PENNEFATHER, J. (Rev) Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road HEAD, Michael P. Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road Bishop of KILLALOE Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road GOING, Robert Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PHILLIPS, Richard to be Supervisor w/o salary to 2200 perches of the road from Newport to Nenagh, between the cross roads at the town of Newport and Aughboy bridge BRERETON, Thomas High-constable, for paying his Warrant End of Presentments ---------------------------- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/index.htm ===============================

Abstracts of County Tipperary Grand Jury Presentments granted At Summer Assizes, 1831 Part 7 Barony of Ikerrin PRITTIE, F.A. (Hon.) ARMSTRONG, John to make 378 perches of the new intended road from Roscrea to Cloghjordan, between Peter HIGGIN'S house on the Shinrone road and Daniel COUZENS'S house PRITTIE, F.A. (Hon.) EGAN, Michael to repair 168 perches of the narrow road from Rathdowney to Burris-o'leigh, between Thomas BURKE'S house on the old road to Templemore, and Patrick BUTLER'S house on the new line to Templemore BYRNE, Daniel COSTIGAN, Martin to repair 180 perches of the road from Rathdowney to Thurles, between the cross roads of Lissanure and the Queen's County bounds at Toher BENNETT, John HENDY, Carroll to repair 558 perches of the road from Roscrea to Burris-o'leigh, betw. Patrick COSTIGAN'S house at Gurtacurra and the Widow FANNIN'S house at the bounds of Barnane CARDEN, Henry R. (Sir) MURPHY, David GRIMES, Wm. to make 61 perches of ditches to the road from Templemore to Dublin, between a bridge at Clonmore and Kenna's bounds on Clonmore PALMER, R.S. Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road MINCHIN, Wm. (Rev) to be Supervisor w/o salary, to 1925 perches of the road from Cashel to Cloghjordan, between the King's County bounds and the Widow BOHAN'S house at Barnane FALKINER, Nathanael High-constable for paying his Warrant HOGAN, Denis for an injury - Parish of Corbally HARRISON, Wm. for a burning - Parish of Corville Barony of Upper Ormond LONG, William MULLAMPY, James to repair 730 perches of the road from Toomivara to the Silvermines, between the cross roads of Grennanstown and the town of Toomivara HAWKSHAW, Richard Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road WILLINGTON, James Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road HOLMES, Dean (Rev) Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road BRERETON, Thomas Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road JACKSON, George Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road HOLMES, Peter (Jun.) to be Supervisor w/o salary, to 2319 perches of the road from Nenagh to Burris-o'leigh, between the cross at Knockalton and Kilnemanagir bounds LANE, Ambrose Treasurer, being the last instalment of the Anglesea road on the Barony BRERETON, Thomas High-constable, for paying his Warrant MINCHIN, William (Rev) Appointed Supervisor, in the room of his Father, William MINCHIN, deceased POE, John to be Supervisor w/o salary, to 771 perches of the road from Nenagh to Cloghjordan, between the mail-coach road, near Nenagh and the cross roads at Ballymacky -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ https://www.facebook.com/IrelandGenealogyProjects ===============================

It doesn't matter to me, but I just want to THANK YOU for all your work. I appreciate it so much. Cindy Smith Canon City, CO On May 7, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Christina Hunt wrote: > The IGP Tipperary site has a Surname Registry. It is getting old, that is, the > majority of our Surnames are a few years old. I suspect most would bounce if > they were emailed. > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/index.htm > > I am considering dropping this page because: > 1. I don't have the time to keep the Surname Page up to date. > > 2. Personally I can't think of anytime I have actually found anything using a > Surname Registry. > > 3. I can't recall anyone contacting me because of an entry I personally made on > a Surname Registry. > > 4. We have a Query Message page which doesn't require manual entry by the > webmaster. > > I have created a simple survey. Please vote Yes or No if you have an opinion. > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DY553YW > > I will decide in a couple of days. > > Thanks! > Christina > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Abstracts of County Tipperary Grand Jury Presentments granted At Summer Assizes, 1831 Barony of Kilnemanagh DWYER, John T. PHELAN, Francis McMAHON, J. MULCAHY, Patrick to repair 290 perches of the road from Templemore to Tipperary, between the Rossmore river and the end of a late presentment on the lands of Loolanga COOPER, William Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road LANE, Ambrose Treasurer, being the last instalment of the Anglesea road on this barony ROBBINS, George High-constable, for paying his Warrant BURKE, Richard for turf destroyed - Parish of Glankeen McGRATH, Philip for cattle houghed Barony of Eliogarty BEERE, Richard MILLETT, Thomas HUNT, William to make 37 perches of the new intended road from the Horse-and-jockey and Grallagh to Kilenaule, between the end of a new line of road at Liskiveen and a new road on Mr. BEER'S land at Liskiveen LANGLEY, John MAX, John HOGAN, Thomas to repair 220 perches of the road from Thurles to Clonmel, between Daniel KERVICK'S house on the mail coach road at Coolkip and the barony bounds at Grallagh MAHER, John MAHER, Nicholas MAHER, Daniel to repair 422 perches of the road from Templemore to Thurles, between a stream of water crossing the road near Michael BOYLE'S house at Farranreigh and the cross roads near the bowling-green near Thurles WILLINGTON, Theobald KENNEDY, Joseph to repair 386 perches of the road from Templemore to Burris-in-ossory, between the cross roads and the old bridge at Knockinroe MAX, William MAHER, Thomas to repair 495 perched on the road from Thurles to Cashel, between Michael LAHY'S house on the green of Macarky and Edmond DONNELLY'S house at Ballytarsna PHILLIPS, Samuel GRACE, Pierce to repair 404? perches of the road from Fethard to Nenagh and Thurles, between John SPILLANE'S house at the bounds of Graiguenoe and Honora LAHY'S house at the bounds of the barony at Tournadane CARDEN, H.R. (Sir) WEBB, J.D. HEUSTON, Benjamin to repair 306 perches of the road from Templemore to Thurles, between the Market-house of Templemore and the bridge of Cluen CAMBIE, Thomas L. High-constable, for paying his Warrant RYAN, Thomas for a malicious burning - Parish of Galbooly BRAZILL, Ellen for same - Parish of Drom -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/index.htm ===============================

I was transcribing some court records (Tipperary Town Petty Sessions) last week and found these, those getting permits to sell alcohol in 1855, October 11, 1855 *Surname First Residence* England James Tipperary Doyle James Tipperary Donnovan John Cullen O'Brien Elly Tipperary Fahey Ellen Tipperary Louregan Mary Tipperary Bluote? Michael Tipperary Bowes Hanora Tipperary Houregan John Tipperary Doherty Maurice Dreshane Ryan John Tipperary Bradshaw John Tipperary Quirke Michl Tipperary Cronan Maurice Tipperary O'Shea Patrick Tipperary Murphy Rodolph Tipperary O'Neill Robert Tipperary Byrne Thomas Tipperary Harding Cornelius Tipperary Spellane John Tipperary Quillinan James Tipperary Cronon Patrick Tipperary Hayes Jermiah Tipperary Hayes Patrick Tipperary Burnes Patrick Tipperary Hayes Patrick Tipperary Breene Edmond Kile Fahey Arthur Tipperary Gorman James Tipperary Carroll Patrick Tipperary Hayes Thomas Tipperary England John Tipperary England John Garryskellane Lahey John Tipperary Kerweek Edmond Tipperary Nagle Thomas Tipperary O'Brien James Tipperary Scully Richard Tipperary Quirke thomas Tipperary Quinn Patrick Latten Fitzgerald Anne Tipperary Sadlier Rich'd Tipperary Ryan James Tipperary Conroy Ellen Tipperary O'Brien Thomas Tipperary Ryan Michl Solehead Glashene James Glenbane Cotter William Tipperary Mara Timothy Tipperary Hogan Denis Tipperary Moloney Bridget Tipperary Godfery James Tipperary Tobin Andrew Tipperary Higgins Patrick Emly Looby Maurice Solehead King William Tipperary Ryan John Tipperary OConnell Patrick Tipperary Murphy Catherine Tipperary Ryan Catherine Tipperary Hayes John Tipperary Hogan Ellen Tipperary Navin Edmond Tipperary Dobbyan Richard Tipperary Dobbyn Richd Junction Kerby Michael Tipperary Kennedy Patrick Tipperary Ryan Richard Tipperary Sinclear Thomas Tipperary Fitzgerald Patrick Tipperary Heffernan John Tipperary Fahey John Tipperary McNay John Tipperary Ryan Denis Cullen Hayes John Tipperary Lee Thomas Emly -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Grand Jury Presentments - 1831 Baronies of Clanwilliam & Slievardagh Barony of Clanwilliam MOORE, M.C. BEAMISH, Rich. MASSEY, J.B. O'NEILL, Cornelius MAHONY, Con. to make 970 perches of the new road from Mitchelstown to Tipperary, between Kilross valley and Shronehill cross SADLEIR, Clement W. HEFFERNAN, James HEFFERNAN, John to repair 164 perches of the road from Tipperary to Bruff, between the bounds ditch that divides the farms of Nicholas SADLEIR and William DALEY at Lattera, and Matthew HOURIGAN'S gate at Shronehill SADLEIR, John DILLON, John O'CONNOR, Michael to repair 222 perches of the road from Tipperary to Mitchelstown, between the guard wall at the end of the bridge of Tipperary and the centre of the bridge of Brookville CHADWICK, Austin HAYES, Matthew to repair 104 perches of the road from Tipperary to Emly, between Maurice FITZGERALD'S house and the cross of Emly DAWSON, John M. DILLON, John DONNOR, Michael to repair 280 perches of the road from Mitchelstown to Clonmel and Waterford, between the small bridge dividing the parish of Aherlow from Tipperary and the end of John DALEY'S house CREAGH, Lawrence WHITE, Henry MORONEY, William RYAN, Peter to make 219 perches of foot-path on the side of the road from Golden to Thurles, between the corner of Mr. CREAGH'S demesne wall and Ballygriffin bridge BUTLER, Thomas Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road CREAGH, Thomas Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road BRADSHAW, George High-constable, for paying his Warrant O'RYAN, Edmond, for hay burned - Parish of Bansagh DAWSON, J.H.M. for gates broken - Parish of Clonbullog RYAN, Wm. for a horse houghed - Parish of Donohill Barony of Slievardagh LANGLEY, Henry A. HALLORAN, John NOWLAN, Matthew to make 160 perches of the new road from Fethard to the bog of Lurgoe, between the end of the new road near John HALLORAN'S house at Lurgoe and Patrick HALLORAN'S house at Lurgoe BRIEN, William DESPARD, John HAWE, Wm. to repair 336 perches of the road from Coalbrook collieries to Carrick-on-suir, between the end of a late presentment at the river Gashea near John BYRNE'S houses and John SWEENY'S house at Kileotlea LLOYD, Henry RAFTER, William CAHILL, John PEACON, Stephen to repair 239 perches of the road from Kilenaule and Slievardagh collieries to Kilkenny, between the school-house at Farrinrory and the ditch at the bounds of Foilmarnel BRIEN, William (Rev) POWER, John HOGAN, Thomas LAURENCE, Thomas to repair 373 perches of the road from Carrick-on-suir to Coalbrook collieries, between the end of a late presentment near Rich MULCAHY'S house, and the turnpike road near Thomas KIELY'S house HUGHES, Matthew CROAK, Jeffry CROAK, Thomas to repair 144 perches of the road of the road from Callan to Thurles, between the end of a late presentment at Boulintlea, and James DELANY'S house at Boulinlea PRENDERGAST, Edmond FEEHAN, James DUNNE, William to repair 202 perches of the road from Kilkenny to Slievardagh collieries, between the end of a late presentment at Kyleballygalvin, and John Cahill's garden ditch at Garranagree MORRISS, Thomas KIELY, Edward to repair 200 perches of the road from Kilenaule to Cashel, between the bridge of Springhill and Ambrose GOING'S new line of road at Boarens POE, James P. Supervisor for so much expended on his line of road LABARTE, E. (Rev) Supervisor for so much expended on his line of road GOING, John Supervisor for so much expended on his line of road GOING, William Supervisor for so much expended on his line of road CONNORS, John Deputy to Matthew V. SANKEY, Supervisor, being wages not presented at last Assizes BAKER, Thomas L. High-constable, for paying his warrant CANTWELL, J. for a horse maliciously killed - Parish of Kilenaule Christina http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/index.htm

Hello,    I found my ancestors in the valuation, and they leased land, house and offices.  I notice some entries say office.  Can it be assumed that if the plural offices is used there were several outbuildings? Thanks for any help, Ellen

I have just put the tithe applotment index for this civil parish online, on the County Tipperary section of my website. Please check transcription notes to see what problems I encountered with my transcription. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Abstracts of County Tipperary Grand Jury Presentments granted At Summer Assizes, 1831 ===================================== Barony of Middlethird BARTON, William SANKEY, Matthew STOKES, Patrick to repair 316 perches of the road from Fethard to Kilenaule, between the cross of Coolbawn and Michael DANIELL'S house opposite the cross of Gurteenshamarogue Same Overseers & CONNOR, John to repair 300 perches of the road from Fethard to Kilenaule, between the cross of Coolbawn and John CORMACK'S gate at Lismorta BARTON, William SANKEY, Matthew CONNOR, Thomas to repair 478 perches of the road from Fethard to Kilenaule, between Matthew RYAN'S house near Fethard and Michael NOWLAN'S house at Kilnockin PENNEFATHER, Richard AYLWARD, James to repair 432 perches of the road from Clonmel to Cashel, between William HANLY'S gate at the bounds of the barony of Iffa and Offa East, and the cross roads of Ballynattin COOKE, John WALSHE, Edmond to repair 278 perches of the road from Caher to Callan, between the cross at the new line of road at Sladough JACOB, Matthew LYONS, Philip JACOB, Sylvester to repair 487 perches of the road from Kilenaule and Slievardagh collieries to Fethard and Carrick-on-Suir, between the bounds of the barony of Slievardagh at the bridge of Kilkennybeg, and Thomas BROPHY'S forge at the cross roads of St. Johnstown PENNEFATHER, William STAPLETON, James to repair 425 perches of the road from Cashel to Clonmel, between the cross of Fethard road at the Gouts of Cashel, and an elder bush of John STAPLETON'S ground CLOSE, E. (Rev) PERRY, John CAHILL, Richard to repair 501 perches of the road from Kilenaule and Slievardagh collieries to Fethard and Clonmel, between the bounds of the baronies of Slievardagh and Middlethird and Mr. John MILLETT'S avenue gate ROCHE, Maurice ROCHE, Richard HOGAN, Roger to repair 1566 perches of the road from Cashel to Thurles, between the corner of the charter-school at Cashel and the three roads on the lands of Nodstown BUTLER, Theobald BYRNE, John BYRNE, Patrick to repair 471 perches of the road from Slievardagh collieries to Callan, between the bounds of te barony & William DEMPSEY'S house at the cross of Newtowndrangan LLOYD, Wm. E. (Rev) GODFREY, James to repair 1111 perches of the road from Cashel to Thurles, between the middle of the bridge at Holycross and the three roads DANIELL, Thos. Deputy Supervisor to the late Richard LLOYD, for so much expended on his line of road - 954 perches HERBERT, Nicholas (Rev) Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PALLISER, John Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road GOING, John Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PRICE, Thomas Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road CREAGH, Richard Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PHILLIPS, Samuel Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PRICE, Thomas Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road MAX, John Supervisor, for so much expended on his line of road PENNEFATHER, Matthew to be Supervisor w/o salary, to 201 perches of the road from Thurles to Clonmel, between Phil. FOGARTY'S haggart at Ballykelly, and Mr. PENNEFATHER'S Supervisorship at the turn of the road to Clonmel by Newpark on the lands of Ballykelly PHELPS, William High-constable, for paying his Warrant HENNESSY, James for a malicious burning - Parish of Boytonrath COOKE, John to be Supervisor without salary, to 42 perches of the road from Clonmel to Fethard by Kiltinan, between the bridge of Lacopple being the end of Robert COOKE'S Supervisorship and his own Supervisorship

Hi all .. not sure if you know about this site .. but thought I would pass it on ... might come in handy .. and might be really useful in the future .. If you are of Irish Heritage, and would like to connect with the Irish parish community from where your people first came. You have to register .. http://www.irelandxo.com/ regards Maree Aus

Thanks, Phil & Pat for your "perch" explanations. Here in Ontario, we can go fishing in a lake and then have a nice "Perch supper", although Speckled Trout are better. Andy

Thanks for the info, Pat. Karen. > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:39:25 -0700 > From: nymets22@gmail.com > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] more Kilpeak/Kilpheak > > Well, all the tithes do is list the tenants of properties (heads of > households) and what size property they were renting and possibly what they > were growing. All this info was used to assign a tax. Same with the > Griffith's Valuation, however, the tithes are a bit cruder and a generation > earlier. They are good to see if your family was living in the same area a > generation before the GV. This will give you names of possibly fathers, > uncles, etc. Like with my family, I have a Timothy O'Connor in the GV and > from his death cert I know his father was Bryan O'Connor and his mother is > a Gallagher. I also know his brother's tombstone in Troy NY said he was > from Emly RC Parish. So, I started by drawing a circle around Emly RC > parish and searching the tithes looking for my Bryan. I found him not far > from Emly, but in Co Limerick, probably living close to where his wife was > from because there are a number of Gallaghers in the area. > > > I know Ancestry transcriptions contain plenty of errors. But other than > > verifying what I've found on Ancestry, is it worth the trouble to look at > > the film? > > > > The tithes, like the GV cannot really give you any 'proof' but can help you > figure out where your ancestors lived so you can then search those church > records. Those will give you the 'proof'. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interestesd in PHILIP KELLY any one else on this case please. Laraine >

Andy, A PERCH is an old unit of measurement. Unfortunately, it's actual distance varied between countries, and changed over time. At one point in Ireland it was the equivalent of 21 feet, or 6.4 metres. Phil Young Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy & Norma McAuliffe Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 6:46 AM To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-TIP] Perches Christina: What are perches? Surely it has nothing to do with birds? Andy McAuliffe Kitchener, Canada ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andy, Let me suppose you are reading the Griffith's Valuation or the TAB, where tenants are taxed on the size of their land holdings, expressed in Acres, Roods, and Perches. A perch is an area of land amounting to 1/40 th of a rood. A rood is an area of land amounting to 1/4 th of an acre. One acre is defined as 160 square poles. Lengths of land bounds are frequently expressed in poles (or rods), with a pole defined as 1/160 th of a mile. Up to this point, the definitions apply to both Irish land measurement and US land (statute) measurements. The thing you must remember is that all of the Irish land measurements are based on the Irish mile, which is longer than the US statute mile One statute mile is defined as 5280 feet, or 320 poles, (16 1/2 feet to the pole). One Irish mile is defined as 6720 feet, or 320 poles, (21 feet to the pole). Doing the arithmetic, you can find that an Irish acre is about 1.62 statute acres, so the Irish farms were a bit larger than you might have thought. More on this subject can be found at: _Acre (Irish) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre_(Irish)) Pat Understanding land measurement takes some time. Square poles will make more sense when you get a round tuit. =================================================================== In a message dated 4/28/2012 4:47:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, namac@rogers.com writes: Christina: What are perches? Surely it has nothing to do with birds? Andy McAuliffe Kitchener, Canada ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tipperary Queries http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84& cmd=show ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Karen, I have done all of those things and Denis's birth place in Ireland still remains elusive. To be honest, at the time of Denis's death, in relationship to where the still new colony of New South Wales was developing, record keeping was not the best, and a lot was deliberately destroyed some decades later, so we are lucky to have what we have. This is from the "Convict Indent for the ship "Parmelia" (2) which translates as 2nd voyage to Australia. Arrived with 218 Irish male convicts 1st March, 1834. Mr. A. O'Donoghue Surgeon Superintendent. Muster on Board 5th March, 1834, mustered 215, sick on shore 3, lost at sea 2, not embarked 2, total as per Muster Roll 222. 667 130 Hogan, Denis. Aged 23 - Read and Write - Catholic - Single - Tipperary - Farm Servant - Manslaughter - Sentenced Tipperary 13 March, 1833 - 7 years - No former convictions - Height 5 ft. 2 1/2 inches - Complexion dark and freckled - Hair dark brown - Eyes hazel - Eyebrows meeting - Scar top of forehead - Two scars over right eyebrow - nail of fourth finger left hand split. Ticket of Leave 38/1051 29th June, 1838 Allowed to remain in District of Windsor Certificate of Freedom 40/707 18th April, 1840 From the State Library of New South Wales I found the following in the book "The Convict Ships" by Charles Bateson, information on the ship and other details. Arrived 1834 2 March "Parmelia" (2) Barque 443 tons built Quebec 1825 Class AE1 Master, James Gilbert, Surgeon, Anthony Donoghue Sailed 29 Oct., 1833 From Cork direct to Sydney took 124 days. 1837 Convict Muster - No. 12659 Hogan, Denis - Aged 25 Arrived "Parmelia" 1834 Assigned to Edward Redmond of Sydney, and it appears that Edward Redmond had only the one convict at that time. Denis married Margaret Carey an immigrant from Ireland, and they had four children - James b. 1835 Windsor (NSW) died 1892; John b. 1842 Sydney (my ancestor) died 1895 Forest Reefs on the Central Tablelands; Mary b. 1845 - no further knowledge, but there is a rumour that someone became a Nun, and I wonder if it was Mary, but I may be wrong, it could have been from the next generation of Hogans; Timothy b. 1848 possibly died 1856. Denis died in 1850 and Margaret died 1852. I have been going back through my papers, and I remembered that a John Hogan also came out on the same voyage of the "Parmelia". I have no indication that they were brothers or even related. This is the info. on his Certificate of Freedom No. 43/102 dated 15 January, 1843. Name John Hogan, - Ship "Parmelia" 2 (means 2nd voyage) Master - Gilbert Year - 1834 Native Place - County Tipperary Trade or Calling - Labourer Offence - Perjury Place of Trial - Tipperary Date of Trial - 15 March 1833 Sentence - 7 years Year of birth - 1814 Height 5 ft.51/4 inches Complexion - Brown Hair - Brown Eyes - Blue General Remarks - Nose cocked - Dimpled chin - Scar outer corner of left eyebrow - Scar back of thumb - Another .........same - Scar below cap of left knee. In a letter I have from Reg. of BMDs in Sydney dated 1978, giving the birth of John Hogan *27 Sept, 1843*, Sydney to John Hogan and his wife Catherine. I haven't followed this up, and I don't know where this John Hogan fits in, but my father Wilfred John Hogan was also born on 27 Sept, but in 1902 - son of James Hogan and Adeline Newstead (daughter of English immigrants from Norfolk). I have found it quite interesting to see how many folk in families have the same birth dates by day and month, as others in their extended families - it is more common than I would have thought. All for now, Elizabeth On 28/04/2012 12:17 PM, karen conderan wrote: > Yes, Elizabeth, my Hogans lived in the Kilpheak/Stephenstown area c. > late 1820s until 1847, when they emigrated to Canada. > My Edmund Hogan and his wife Joanna/Judith Wall had 8 children that I > know of, born between 1827-1846. > > I found 3 Hogans on the 1827 Tithe Applotments for Kilpeak: Dennis, > Edmund, and John. But no other info is given. > > As Tipperary is a huge county and Hogan is one of the most common > names, there's no way of knowing if this Dennis is yours, at present... > If you check the actual Australian church marriage record for your > Denis and Margaret, or even baptism records of some of their children, > you /may/ find more specific info on his place of origin, as priests > in this era often recorded specific place and/or parish of origin of > immigrants as well as their parents' names. > I've found this to be the case for some of my Irish immigrant > ancestors who came to Canada. It's worth a look. > > Karen. > > > > Good afternoon Karen, > > > > Are you looking for Hogan family? I am descended from a Denis Hogan > > who was born somewhere in Tipperary ca 1811, and who came to Australia > > as a convict in the 1830s. Unfortunately, when the Irish convicts came > > here, there was very little information on their families, and I > have no > > idea who were his parents, or where he actually lived.

Christina: What are perches? Surely it has nothing to do with birds? Andy McAuliffe Kitchener, Canada

Well, all the tithes do is list the tenants of properties (heads of households) and what size property they were renting and possibly what they were growing. All this info was used to assign a tax. Same with the Griffith's Valuation, however, the tithes are a bit cruder and a generation earlier. They are good to see if your family was living in the same area a generation before the GV. This will give you names of possibly fathers, uncles, etc. Like with my family, I have a Timothy O'Connor in the GV and from his death cert I know his father was Bryan O'Connor and his mother is a Gallagher. I also know his brother's tombstone in Troy NY said he was from Emly RC Parish. So, I started by drawing a circle around Emly RC parish and searching the tithes looking for my Bryan. I found him not far from Emly, but in Co Limerick, probably living close to where his wife was from because there are a number of Gallaghers in the area. I know Ancestry transcriptions contain plenty of errors. But other than > verifying what I've found on Ancestry, is it worth the trouble to look at > the film? The tithes, like the GV cannot really give you any 'proof' but can help you figure out where your ancestors lived so you can then search those church records. Those will give you the 'proof'. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Elizabeth and Karen . A long shot but I have Fanny Hogan sponsoring my line`s children in 1833 and 1837 at the Bansha catholic church .Also have Murphy . Laurie -----Original Message----- From: irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walker Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 2:29 PM To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] more Kilpeak/Kilpheak HOGAN, Denis Good afternoon Karen,

Thanks Laurie. I don't think she's likely to be one of mine, but will keep her on file. Karen. > From: lt030329@bigpond.net.au > To: lizrose@tpg.com.au; irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:33:01 +1000 > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] more Kilpeak/Kilpheak HOGAN, Denis > > Elizabeth and Karen . A long shot but I have Fanny Hogan sponsoring my > line`s children in 1833 and 1837 at the Bansha catholic church .Also have > Murphy . Laurie > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walker > Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 2:29 PM > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] more Kilpeak/Kilpheak HOGAN, Denis > > Good afternoon Karen, > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Tipperary Queries > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1200795777&frmid=84&cmd=show > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message