Hey Clonmel and Ballyneal are near the border and was in the old day's considered to be Waterford. I'm pretty sure. Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > With mine and other Lonergan searchers coming from the Waterford border > area, you were moving away from that area. > Cheryle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > > > What road do you men in Ireland Tipperary yes I know that but the > > Heffernans > > married into the Comerfors in Australia and when I was in ireland I found > > a > > Honora Heffernan burried close to a Kelly who married my Comerford in > > Ireland just checking everything ok will pull out the Duggan.And sent it > > as > > attachment. > > The Mrs Heffernan was nee Hennessy. > > laraine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> > > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > > > > >> Laraine, > >> You are going too far up the road, wandering away from home. > >> What's the Duggan info you have? > >> Cheryle > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> > >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:41 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > >> > >> > >> > Hi Lonny. > >> > I have the registers for some of his children being baptized in > > Tipperary > >> > I > >> > guess that is Tipperary Town > >> > Sponsors.. > >> > Lonergan, Duggan, Burke, O'Doherty, Hennessy, Woodlock and O'Dwyer > >> > If this is of any assistance to researches on list. > >> > Laraine > >> > > >> > , > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> > >> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:23 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi Laraine > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, thats the only mention of Hefferman that I have come across so > > far > >> > in > >> >> my search. > >> >> I assume he must have been a friend of the family. > >> >> Have you tried Griffiths Valuation for Carrick on Suir for > >> >> Hefferman's? > >> >> If you are absolutely sure that your family came from Carrick it may > >> >> be > >> >> worth while commisioning a search of the RC records in Carrick to see > > if > >> > you > >> >> can find his Baptism / Marriage. > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> David Lonergan > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> > >> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:12 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > HELLO DAVID > >> >> > I THINK THIS COULD BE MY MICHEAL HEFFERNAN I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO > >> >> > FIND > >> >> > WHERN IN TIPPERARY HE CAME FROM. > >> >> > ANY MORE LEADS PLEASE. > >> >> > Laraine Dillon > >> >> > Australia > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> >> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > >> >> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. > >> >> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > >> >> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > >> > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > > (depending > >> > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > >> > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > >> > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > > Sydney; > >> > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > >> the original message important to your reply. > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. >

LONERGAN I have a Kitty Lonergan and a Pat Lonergan sponsors in 1830 and 1832 Tipperary Parish. Re Transportation papers in the early 1800's would a person be defined as a Protestant or Roman Catholic or would it also state Anglican. The point I am trying to make is. Would a Protestant only apply to Methodist and Congregational.Or would it include Anglican. Laraine Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > I have recently homed in on a LONERGAN Family in Carrick on Suir and have > Baptism information for their children. > I thought I would post the sponsor information in case any listers are > researching these names in Carrick. > The mother and father are James Lonergan and Mary Rohan who married in > Carrick 27/11/1837. > The witnesses at the marriage were MICHAEL HEALY and MARY NEAL > The children are as follows. > > JOHN b 1838 - sponsors JAMES HEALY, JOANA HEALY > PHILIP b 1841 " JAMES LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN > MICHAEL b 1843 " JOHN MARA, MARY PRENDERGAST > BRIGIT b 1845 " MICHAEL HEFFERMAN, BRIGID LONG > CATHERINE b 1848 " JAMES ROHAN. BRIGID QUINN > THOMAS b 1849 " JOSEPH WHITNEY, MARY NEIL > JAMES b 1851 " EDWARD SHEA, ELLEN HALLEY > MARGARET b 1854 " JOHN LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN > JAMES2 b 1855 " MICHAEL LONERGAN, CATHERINE WALL > MAURICE b 1858 " JEREMY FITZGERALD, ELLEN FINEGAN > > Hope these names can be of use to someone and especially if they can be > linked to LONERGAN's in Carrick. > > Regards > David Lonergan > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >

What road do you men in Ireland Tipperary yes I know that but the Heffernans married into the Comerfors in Australia and when I was in ireland I found a Honora Heffernan burried close to a Kelly who married my Comerford in Ireland just checking everything ok will pull out the Duggan.And sent it as attachment. The Mrs Heffernan was nee Hennessy. laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > Laraine, > You are going too far up the road, wandering away from home. > What's the Duggan info you have? > Cheryle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > > > Hi Lonny. > > I have the registers for some of his children being baptized in Tipperary > > I > > guess that is Tipperary Town > > Sponsors.. > > Lonergan, Duggan, Burke, O'Doherty, Hennessy, Woodlock and O'Dwyer > > If this is of any assistance to researches on list. > > Laraine > > > > , > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> > > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > > > > >> Hi Laraine > >> > >> Sorry, thats the only mention of Hefferman that I have come across so far > > in > >> my search. > >> I assume he must have been a friend of the family. > >> Have you tried Griffiths Valuation for Carrick on Suir for Hefferman's? > >> If you are absolutely sure that your family came from Carrick it may be > >> worth while commisioning a search of the RC records in Carrick to see if > > you > >> can find his Baptism / Marriage. > >> > >> Regards > >> David Lonergan > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> > >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:12 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > >> > >> > >> > HELLO DAVID > >> > I THINK THIS COULD BE MY MICHEAL HEFFERNAN I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO > >> > FIND > >> > WHERN IN TIPPERARY HE CAME FROM. > >> > ANY MORE LEADS PLEASE. > >> > Laraine Dillon > >> > Australia > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > >> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. > >> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > >> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. >

With mine and other Lonergan searchers coming from the Waterford border area, you were moving away from that area. Cheryle ----- Original Message ----- From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > What road do you men in Ireland Tipperary yes I know that but the > Heffernans > married into the Comerfors in Australia and when I was in ireland I found > a > Honora Heffernan burried close to a Kelly who married my Comerford in > Ireland just checking everything ok will pull out the Duggan.And sent it > as > attachment. > The Mrs Heffernan was nee Hennessy. > laraine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > >> Laraine, >> You are going too far up the road, wandering away from home. >> What's the Duggan info you have? >> Cheryle >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms >> >> >> > Hi Lonny. >> > I have the registers for some of his children being baptized in > Tipperary >> > I >> > guess that is Tipperary Town >> > Sponsors.. >> > Lonergan, Duggan, Burke, O'Doherty, Hennessy, Woodlock and O'Dwyer >> > If this is of any assistance to researches on list. >> > Laraine >> > >> > , >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> >> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:23 PM >> > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms >> > >> > >> >> Hi Laraine >> >> >> >> Sorry, thats the only mention of Hefferman that I have come across so > far >> > in >> >> my search. >> >> I assume he must have been a friend of the family. >> >> Have you tried Griffiths Valuation for Carrick on Suir for >> >> Hefferman's? >> >> If you are absolutely sure that your family came from Carrick it may >> >> be >> >> worth while commisioning a search of the RC records in Carrick to see > if >> > you >> >> can find his Baptism / Marriage. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> David Lonergan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> >> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:12 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms >> >> >> >> >> >> > HELLO DAVID >> >> > I THINK THIS COULD BE MY MICHEAL HEFFERNAN I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO >> >> > FIND >> >> > WHERN IN TIPPERARY HE CAME FROM. >> >> > ANY MORE LEADS PLEASE. >> >> > Laraine Dillon >> >> > Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> >> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >> >> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >> >> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >> >> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending >> > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; >> > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> > >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> the original message important to your reply. >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >

:)) Actually Chris I still am....as usual I appear to be the only one on it. Except for Cheryle who put me on to your List as she said there were a lot of POWERs on it. Usually I go on to SHAMROCK too but haven't this time. It's always the same question...where is Mathew :) Anyhow...my Mum died in July this year age 84 and I get a wee bit on money thrown my way so can now I can see if Waterford Heritage Centre can locate him for me eh.....about December my brother says. Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Mathew POWER (Master Mariner). > Warren, > I actually think you should be on the Waterford List. > You might find more there. The info on joining is: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-WATERFORD.html > Regards, > Chris > > > > On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:13:08 +1100, Mokurai wrote: >> I am hoping to trace my Mathew POWER (Master >> Mariner). > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > >

To be sold by Auction. On Tuesday the 26th inst. At the Ball-Room, Cahir. a quantity of fashionable furniture. Comprising in part, Bedsteads and hangings, Beds and bedding, chairs and tables, carpets and rugs, Dumb Waiters, Liquer Stand, Dish Covers, Boot Rack, Trays, lamp, sofas, slip mat, Glass, delft, and china ware, kitchen requisites, with numerous other articles. Also a excellent Piano Forte, and a fashionable Out-side jaunting car, and harness. Above are the property of an Officer leaving Cahir, and will be sold without reserve. Sale will commence at 11 o'Clock. SHEE-Broker. Cahir, March 20th 1833 Mary -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005

Next Case Called. Mr. F. Brannigan, for wounding two horses at Carrick-On-Suir. Pierce Whelan sworn-Said that he is a boat hauler; that he put his horse out on commanage, and the horse strayed into Brannigan's ground; Witness went in search of horse and saw prisoner cut the ears off his horse,and then cut the ears of another horse, witness's two horses were cropt by Brannigan, and part of the ear of another horse, there were three other persons helping Brannigan, did not know them, caught the two honest horses first, and then the wicked horse, and the moment they touched him, (the wicked horse), he screeched out, so as he could be heard a quarter of a mile away. (Laughter). Cross-exained by Mr. Hatchell,-Mr.H.-Now, upon your oath, Peery, wasn't it the wicked horse that bit off the two honest horses ears and then bit off his own. (Loud Laughter). Witness-Oh Good Morning to you! (Loud Laughter) Mr.H.-Now, Peery, what kind of clothes did the men wear who were along with Brannigan? Witness-Arrah, how could I tell, since I didn't know them, atall, atall. Mr.H,.-O, you didn't but you knew Mr. Brannigan, Peery. Witness-To be sure I did, I'd know him if he was biled (boiled). (Loud Laughter). Mr. H. -Tell us, Peery, how your blind horse found his way into Mr. Brannigan's well fenced field. Witness-I believe the crather got in at the gate, Your Honour. (Great Laughter). Mr. H.- You may go now, Peery, to your blind horse. Witness- Oh, sure the crather died, your honour, from the usage. Peery then advanced a step towards the court, and after a grand bow, and flourish of his caubeen, (Anglice Hat). he said-Won't I get my expinsis, My Lord? The Court-I'll tell you that, bye and bye. Verdict-Brannigan not guilty. Court-this story seems to me to be a fabrication. Mary -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005

Hi All, I am hoping to trace my Mathew POWER (Master Mariner). He was born about 1787 in Waterford, Ireland. I have nothing on him until 1807. At this stage he married Elizabeth FISHER from Appledore, North Devon, in the Parish of Northam on the 28 October 1807. Then between 1808 and 1810 he was the Mate on the ship Hiram of Plymouth before becoming the Master onboard the Schooner, Mary of Plymouth. Meanwhile I have his children: Mary (1808), Eliza (1810) Thomas (1819) and now suspect another two children as Austin POWER whom I find on the ships in the 1830s to 1840s following a pattern straight behind Thomas' ships...also as Mate....until they are both on the Richard & Ann in 1844; Thomas as the Master and Austin as the Mate. Austin is two years older than Thomas, and then there is Justina (1827), found as a visitor at 6 North Street, Plymouth (Charles Martyr) in the 1851 Census with Mathew's wife. Recently I found her as the witness at Eliza's wedding in 1842. I do not know what Mathew's religion was whilst in Ireland. And my grandfather changed from Church of England to Catholic in 1917 when he married my grandmother; my father changed from Catholic to Church of England when he married my mother in 1942 so the coin could fall either way eh :) I would appreciate any help that I can get with this guy as he is making me work pretty hard to locate his family. Thank you for any assistance you can give me. Hooray, Warren in Ballarat, Australia (ex Kiwi). 'Over us no prince or baron's known. We're all one of lordship alone. An equal and like life we share. Lord of himself is each man there; and each is faithful to the other.

Hello, Mary Ellen: I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, but the bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned from there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of Ireland, and so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have its "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an edge on seeing it so. Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train throughout > Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You can get a > bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from Shannon it > is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott the > North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train > schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and Ironrud > Eireann. > Janet >

Hi All, Whilst doing genealogy I discovered people were doing their Y-DNA to help determine their ancestors. For instance I had traced back to my great great great grandfather. He was born in 1787 in Waterford, Ireland and became a Master Mariner on ships out of Plymouth, England in the early 1800s. To date I can not find his parents and so am at a stand still. This is where Y-DNA comes in and hopefully it will find my ancestors before him by someone else with my surname, POWER, having the same Y-DNA. Anyone with the exact same Y-DNA had the exact same ancestor as I did. At present there are about thirty of us doing our Y-DNA with our surname. Half are R1b haplogroup, which is said to be Western European, and the other half are said to be I1a1 which is Viking. I am of the latter group. Now on one of our markers, 393, it is a number 13. BUT, we all have a number 15 on this marker. This suggests that we all came from the same family, even though there are a few other mutations on our lines. The story goes that there were five sons of Bartholomew, the Sheriff of Blackborough in Devon, Plymouth, England. In 1177 his four eldest sons, plus two cousins, accompanied Henry II to Ireland to fight. For their help he gave them the County of Waterford. The fact they were all brothers explains why we all have a number 15 on the 393 marker. They would have got this mutation from their father for us all to have it. The cousins, also POWER, would most probably be where the R1b group came from. Originally their ancestors had accompanied William the Conquer to England in 1066....as Normans. When I found my Y-DNA was Viking I wondered how this could be if we were said to be Normans! So I read over a dozen books on the Vikings, and four on the Normans....all the books that were in the local Library eh. Now I know we were supposed to have come from the district of Poher, in the province of Brittany in France. First off, I read all about the Vikings and found there were actually three divisions of them. The Norwegians, who ventured west and south west to France, Scotland, England, Ireland, Iceland, Greenland, and the Americas. The Swedish ventured East to Russia, Constantinople and down into Bagdad. They did most of the trading. And lastly the Danish. They ventured down to Germany and all along the coast of Europe, including France, Spain, and England. In fact it mentions that some Vikings wore kilts....so I expect this is where the Scottish got the idea of wearing kilts too. In the books on Normans it tells how back in the 500 - 600AD there were two migrations of Celts from Devon, England. They escaped from the rule of the Saxon and landed in Brittany where they became known as the Bretons (Britains). In 911AD a Viking ship arrived in Rouen, Normandy with about 80 men onboard. The French King, Charles the Simple, made them an offer. He gave them Normandy, and his daughter to Rollo (Hrulf Ganger), the Chieftain, provided they did not attack France. It is said that they became more French than the French :) By 923AD they had also moved down into Brittany and into the district of Poher. Then when William the Conquer came looking for an army in 1066 he got all the Normans from de la Poher, and also all the Bretons who wanted to return to England and retrieve their land from the Saxons. As they also came from the district de la Poher they were also known as de la Poher. Another name used at the time was de Poer and if you go to www.google.com and put in the words Falaise Roll you will see the names of the Knights who accompanied William to England. One is Sire de POER. The name de la POHER changed to POWER in the 1550s I am told. I have actually found an exact 25 marker match with a guy in Illinois, USA, with the name of MARTENS. His ancestors, though, came from Mecklenburg, Germany! The name MARTENS has been traced back to the 1300s, in Germany. This is when the Knights were on the Crusades and there was a Documentary on TV called "Lost Worlds...Germany". It told of all the Crusaders going into Germany for recreational purposes and showed a book that is kept in the German Library. This book had a picture of each Knight's shield so if one was to view it and see their ancestors shield there they would know they had been to Germany. Unfortunately I do not live in Germany to see if our shield is there. However, I have seen one of our shields that has three white escallops on the top half of our shield....and a red lion rampant on the bottom half. This shows that he went on three pilgrimages. He also has a red cross in each of the escallops denoting he went on three Crusades. I must assume that the Pilgrimage and the Crusade were one and the same trip. Only those that went on a crusade were permitted to have the red cross on their shield. I am hoping that fellow POWERs will take up the search using Y-DNA and hopefully I will find an exact match from Ireland with my surname. This would be a much closer relationship than I currently have with the name of MARTENS....and with luck I can work forward from 1177 to 1787 to find Mathew POWER's parents. There is a free testing place at www.smgf.org where a person can order their Y-DNA test. Thanking you. Hooray, Warren in Ballarat, Australia (ex Kiwi) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dnapower 'Over us no prince or baron's known. We're all one of lordship alone. An equal and like life we share. Lord of himself is each man there; and each is faithful to the other.

And I have yet to find out if that is the case of my great great great grandfather....Mathew POWER (Master Mariner). He married into the Parish of Northam, North Devon England on the 28 October 1807, to Elizabeth FISHER. What I do know though....my grandfather was born in Liverpool on the 14 May 1891 as Church of England, and came to New Zealand on the SS Ionic in 1910. He married my grandmother in the Catholic Church in Feilding on the 10 February 1917. He next married Myrtle on the 16 July 1928 in the Presbyterian Church in Palmerston North, and then Lorraine in 1946-7. Meanwhile my Catholic father married my mother in the Church of England, in Auckland, on the 24 October 1942; married Maria in the Catholic Church in 1951; married Gloria in the Catholic Church in Melbourne in about 1963. At least I would suppose he married them in the Catholic Churches as he was buried in the Catholic grounds of the Lilydale Cemetery. Hooray, Warren in Ballarat, Australia (ex Kiwi). ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.I." <spacey@westnet.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Mixed marriages - Protestant, catholic question > My Irish catholic gg grandfather married an English protestant girl in > Melbourne in 1845. > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Mixed marriages - Protestant, catholic question > > >> Hi Karen, >> My lot were intermarried in Sydney with one lot married at St Mary's >> Cathederal, with both being previously married. My GG grandmother used >> her maiden name so maybe that is how they got away with it. >> Cheryle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Bell" <jessandrak@netscape.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:30 PM >> Subject: [TIP] Mixed marriages - Protestant, catholic question >> >> >>>I am wondering if it was common for Catholics & Protestants to "legally" >>>marry each other in the 1800s? I have a possible marriage in 1833 and >>>another in 1874. >>> >>> Also would these marriages have been included in the Index to Marriage >>> License Bonds? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. >>> This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and >>> Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am >>> (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> the original message important to your reply. >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > > >

Has anyone had contact with Jeffrey Rausch who did have the email address of jrausch@gcprime.com . He was in Phoenix in 1999/2000 searching for Lonergan. thanks Cheryle

I'm usually the "asker" so it's nice to be able to pass on some knowledge. Most of the surviving C of I records are preserved at the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. For some where the origibans are still held at the parish they have a microfilmed copy. Others are only held at individual parishes so that office should be contacted. The RCBL Web site is: http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/libroots.html They will answer your questions about records but don't do the lookups for you as they get way too many requests. Also, the following site lists the surviving records for each C of I parish at the RCBL: http://ireland.progenealogists.com/ParishRegisters.asp Now for Cahir itself, I don't know about the cemetery but the C of I parish records for Cahir are kept (the actual original registers) at the Old St. Mary's Clonmel parish library. These have been completely computerized and they will provide you with a surname report for a fee and you may get an individual lookup for free but I wouldn't count on it. I got a family surname report for the whole diocese which included 40 or so records for 40 euros so that's a bargain. Several of the references were of family members in Cahir. Their email address is: oldstmaryschurchgenelogy@eircom.net This office should be applauded for getting their records transcribed and on computer and need the fees to carry on their work. It's a tremendous service. I wish more could get this done. A paid researcher working through the original records or even on microfilm would cost much more for the hours they would have to put in. Tom LaPorte

My Irish catholic gg grandfather married an English protestant girl in Melbourne in 1845. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Mixed marriages - Protestant, catholic question > Hi Karen, > My lot were intermarried in Sydney with one lot married at St Mary's > Cathederal, with both being previously married. My GG grandmother used her > maiden name so maybe that is how they got away with it. > Cheryle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Bell" <jessandrak@netscape.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: [TIP] Mixed marriages - Protestant, catholic question > > >>I am wondering if it was common for Catholics & Protestants to "legally" >>marry each other in the 1800s? I have a possible marriage in 1833 and >>another in 1874. >> >> Also would these marriages have been included in the Index to Marriage >> License Bonds? >> >> Thanks, >> Karen >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; >> 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > >

Public buses in Ireland are very good value and well worth considering as a cheap way of getting around the country. On my last trip I paid just 8 euros to travel from Dublin to Portumna (just over the Shannon from Tipperary.) The drawbacks are: 1) You will need to contact several different companies to discover where and when you can travel. The state owned CIE no longer has a monopoly and there are now many smaller companies providing a good service. Many bus timetables are geared to work patterns so there are likely to be more buses setting of in early morning and again after 5.30 pm. I can't find a comprehensive guide on the internet so you will need to ask at a tourist office when you arrive. 2) Bus timetables are not very flexible and buses to and from some destinations can be very limited. This puts the onus on you to be there at the right time - there may not be another bus that day! 3) Buses are quite slow and often do not go by the shortest route. (Often they will not use bypasses as they enter small towns to collect and drop passengers.) But Ireland is a small country and distances are tiny compared to others. (You cannot be more than about 60 miles from the sea wherever you are in Ireland - I think that is the right figure.) 4) Ireland is now a net importer of people so you may find your driver is a recent immigrant from eastern Europe with limited English. This is however the exception. If you have particular problems don't hesitate to ask the driver. Most are very obliging and will help where they can - even to the point of stopping at unscheduled places if you have the need. They will also load any luggage for you. 5) Buses don't go to every location you may want to visit. You will need to use taxis from time to time. There are local taxis everywhere - they are not cheap but generally they are reasonable. You may have to wait before they are free to collect you. You will find that, especially in rural areas, you will have to slow down and live at the local pace! If you are worried about your health then you should notify the drivers. Thankfully it is now illegal to smoke on public buses so that should help. The buses are not luxury vehicles! They are purely utility, the leg space can be limited. A full bus can feel quite cramped. Make sure you make good use of "comfort" stops for a stretch and a drink. (Check as you board as to when and where there will be stops - most bus users are regulars and there may not be any announcements. Don't be reticent in asking other passengers if you have any queries. [A general note for all visitors: despite appearances, all generosity and hospitality you receive is not without a price, you will be expected to reciprocate - or at least be seen to try! A proud epitaph on a grave is "He always stood his round!"] I hope you and your cousin have a great time! Richard Callanan London England -----Original Message----- From: Teachmeb@aol.com [mailto:Teachmeb@aol.com] Sent: 08 November 2005 23:57 To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland I was wondering if anyone had traveled about Ireland by public bus. I have located my family in Ireland and have been invited to visit. They are in Clonmel. I also want to visit friends in Knock, Dublin and Derry. My cousin and I will be traveling together. She is 63 and I am 67. We both have some breathing problems. Is this something that is practical or not? Any thoughts or information would be appreciated. Mary Ellen ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>Watch those SUBJECT headings! When the topic changes - change the >>subject<<

Before Judge Torrens. Thomas Devit, for the murder of Daniel Kennedy was placed at the bar. John Kennedy sworn-Remembers when his cousin came by his death; it was in the town of Newport; witness and deceased were selling stock belonging to prisoner, which they had distrained for rent; on leaving the town, the prisoner and a party met them, and Rody Devit began to quarrel with the deceased; prisoner struck deceased with a stick or wattle; and knocked him down; he lived for 10 or 12 days after; deceased gave no cause nor struck no blow before he was knocked down. Court;This is the third homicide which we have tried occurring in the open day, and in the populous towns of Tipperary, Toomevara, and Newport. Cross examined-Witness, his brother and cousin were together with a tenant, there were three or four more friends also, there were 15 men in prisoner's party, there were a great many blows, and several were cut, the deceased was taken by the police as well as others after the battle. Witness was not struck and did not see deceased get any other blow. Denis Kennedy corroborated the evidence of the last witness on his cross-examination by Mr. Hatchell, he afforded some amusement. Mr.H.-Well, Denis, you were in the fight. Wit.-I was, the moment I came up I got a blow. Mr. H.-Did you not give e'er a blow yourself, Denis? Wit-Faith I did to be sure. Mr.H.- I suppose you knocked down the fellow who struck you? Wit.-No, I couldn't see him, but I knocked down the fellow next to me. (laughter). Mr.H. -Sure, he didn't strike you? Wit.-No, but he was striking my friends, and that was all the same. (great laughter). Mr.H.-I suppose you had a fine wattle in your hand, Denis? Wit.-No, faith, I had nothing in my hand but my fist-(roars of laughter). Mr.H.-Come now, Denis, tell the truth, had not you a stone in your fist? Wit.-(With amazement),-Who told you that. Mr.H.-Oh, I know all about it, Denis-(Seriously). Wit-Well that was afterwards sure, and I didn't throw it at nobody you know,-(Loud laughter). Mr.H.-You may go down now, Denis. Doctor McKeogh, sworn-Saw the body of the deceased after his death; he had a large contused wound in his head from which part of the brain protruded, the wound seemed to be inflicted by an irregular instrument or stone-it was the cause of his death. For the Defence. Patrick Ryan saw the deceased strike the prisoner; witness saw the whole transaction, he was the purchaser of the stock, prisoner demanded a receipt from Kennedy, and as he went outside the house one of the Kennedy's struck prisoner with a stone in the nose, and told him that was the receipt he'd get-(laughter)-swears positively that prisoner was in the house washing the blood off, when deceased was struck outside; the prisoner went with the witness as far as his own house, and witness drove home the stock he had purchased at the auction the same evening; will swear positively that prisoner took no part in the fight, after he was struck by deceased; witness lives about 10 miles from Newport, and went home with his stock on the same night. Verdict-Not guilty of murder, but guilty of manslaughter. Thomas Devit was confined for one month, and give security to keep the peace for 7 yearhimself in £20, and two sureties of £10 each. Thomas Mara, was charged with an assault on Thomas Fermoy-discharged-no prosecution. Thomas Donohoe, Maurice Keily, David Condon, Jeremiah McGrath, and Michael Kearney, for appearing in arms by day, not guilty, they also stood indicted for riot, and submitted. Court-Set them aside and I will consider the case before the end of the assizes. Richard Kelly for stealing two swine, the property of William O'Brien-Guilty Pat Burke for maiming a cow, the property of William Gooley. Gerald Fitzgerald Esq-sworn-Is a magistrate of this county, saw Wm. Shea dead from a gunshot wound, had previously taken his information in July, in company with Mr. Long, the present High Sheriff, does not recollect whether his information was elicited by interrogatory, the usual course which witness pursues, is, to hear the story, which is generally told in a rambling manner, he then puts it into shape, reads it for the party, and corrects it, if necessary. Dr. Fitzgerald then read the information of the late Wm.O'Shea, herdsman to Mr. Dwyer, in which he stated that the prisoner, Pat Burke, was one of the two men whom he had seen enter in the field, and fire two shots, that on the next morning he found Gooley's cow wounded, and that the prisoner was a son of a person evicted of the lands. Wm. Gooley sworn- Recollects that his cow was shot on the lands of Monamee, about the 4th June last, there was more than one wound on th cow, there were four holes in the cows side, and she was shot through the back. Norry Gooley sworn-Went to milk the cow and found her shot; there was a piece of paper tied around her horn which she brought to her father. Richard Long Esq-High Sheriff, sworn- Gooley brought the paper now produced to witness on the 5th June, was present when Shea gave his informations, which were read to him distinctly, and which witness saw him sign with his mark; it was intimated to witness that Shea knew the party who shot the cow; witness sent for him, and under the impression of great fear for the consequences , he told the name of Pat. Burke and another person, as the men who had wounded the cow. Shea was caretaker of the land to his death, before which there was a notice served on a relative of his , that if the ground was not given up, he (Shea) would be treated as the cow was; the deceased stated in his informations that he was concealed under a ditch when the shots were fired. Constable Watson sworn-Knows the prisoner 17 years and 9 months, he is a son of Ulick Burke, witness is a Scotchman, but is in the Police nearly 19 years, and quartered at Ardmayle during all that period. For the Defence. Margaret Burke sworn; Is sister to the prisoner, slept in a bed in the same room, saw him go to bed the night the cow was shot, and rise the next morning. Ulick Burke sworn- remembers the night the cow was shot, as Capt. Long told him the next day when he was passing; that there was bad work the night before, prisoner is the son of witness, supped with him that night, and saw him go to bed, after which he locked his door, left the key in the door. Cross examined by Mr. O'Dwyer-The field where the cow was shot, was a quarter mile from witnesses house, it was part of a farm of which witness was dispossessed. The learned Judge charged the jury at considerable length. (Out of this case, arose the capital conviction of Edmond Breen, for the murder of Shea, which will be found elsewhere) The jury retired for an hour and then returned a verdict of guilty. (I can't find what sentence was passed, Mary). Mary -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Thank you everyone for your information and help. This certainly helps clear up some inconsistancies in my ancestry :-) Karen >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Karen Bell" <jessandrak@netscape.net> >>To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:30 PM >>Subject: [TIP] Mixed marriages - Protestant, catholic question >> >> >> >> >>>I am wondering if it was common for Catholics & Protestants to "legally" >>>marry each other in the 1800s? I have a possible marriage in 1833 and >>>another in 1874. >>> >>>Also would these marriages have been included in the Index to Marriage >>>License Bonds? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Karen >>> >>> >>>==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>> >>> >(depending > > >>>on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >>>the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >>>California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in >>> >>> >Sydney; > > >>>12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>> >>> >>> >>==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >>possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >>the original message important to your reply. >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/05 >> >> >> >> > > > > >

For Diane, Not true.... DNA studies can be done through the female line. Go to FamilyTreeDNA at http://www.ftdna.com/ and read about their mtDNA testing. It is listed on the left margin. Mike O'Brien Administrator for the O'Brien DNA Project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding it can >only be done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, >which is a shame. > > Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right on > the mark with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great > deal. I am reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is > a novel, it incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot > of historical significance about the Irish people for those of us trying > to understand our roots. > We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these > histories give us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all > passed through! > > Good luck! Thanks again, Diane > > Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary > Curley, Farrell in Clare > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >

Thanks Peter for that link. Interesting site! Dale QLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter and Shauna Madden" <maddenps@telpacific.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [TIP] Merchant seaman? you never know... > Haven't seen this mentioned, so > > Dear List, > On the National Archives (UK) site, they now have an index of > merchant > seamen. > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ > > I did a search for "place" = Tipperary and found 375 people! > > Have a look - you might get very lucky! > > Peter. > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Dear John, I can understand your scepticism. Such a viewpoint from where we are standing now seems impossible to consider. But think of all the horrible rumours that would have been circulating! The authorities were supposedly trying to stop crime by advocating hanging and transportation for the most "trivial" (to our eyes) crimes. They would certainly have done nothing to curb the wild fantasies of "being eaten by wild animals" etc., in fact, probably encouraged it - thinking it would be some form of deterrent. Like many who sit in their ivory towers, they had no idea how their poorer citizens actually lived, and also, mostly, considered them to be some kind of mentally deficient sub-culture - incapable of anything but the simplest work or thought. Just look what a little good food and education did. It worked wonders! Regards, Wynnette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brown" <john.dhb@btopenworld.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] County Tipperary assizes.1833/ Australian point of view. > > Thanks for this, Wynette. I have to say that I was sceptical (in case you > hadn't guessed !) but it seems clear that some did, indeed, consider death > preferable to transportation to the antipodes. One wonders whether it was > fear of the unknown, or fear of the sea, or even fear derived from stories > of Australia itself that were the driving force but, for myself, I think I > would just about risk the voyage rather than accept the certainty of the > noose ! > > John B > Leic., Eng -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/05