Templederry Mike Stapleton Irish Branch Stapleton Researcher

Warren, the book has obviously some scientific data in it that appears a little hard if you do not have that sought of a background, but he repeats things and eventually you can work things out. The Professor has been involved with the BBC science programmes which gives him an ability to talk to the wider community on a level we can understand. My husband & I (he being a doctor) thoroughly enjoyed both of the books, he thought they were very well written. Enjoy the books, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Hi Robyn, > > Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out Library > eh :) > > Hooray, > > Warren.....Ballarat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Hello, >> >> The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from the >> Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most interesting read. >> Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams Curse which relates to >> the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is worth reading. >> >> Robyn >> Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM >> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >>> >>> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as well >>> as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the children....both >>> male and female....by the mother. The male is unable to pass this on >>> though. This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the Seven Daughters of >>> Eve. A book by this name was put out by a Professor..the name eludes me >>> I am afraid. This DNA, however, does not help much in genealogy. It >>> takes in all the female line. So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a >>> GOVAN, her mother was a MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother >>> was a HONEYBONE, and her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are >>> back to late 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the >>> beginning of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. >>> Interesting perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I think. >>> >>> >>> Hooray, >>> >>> >>> Warren. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>> >>> >>>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding it >>>>can only be >>>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, which >>>> is >>>> a shame. >>>> >>>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right on >>>> the mark >>>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great deal. >>>> I am >>>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a novel, >>>> it >>>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>>> historical >>>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to >>>> understand our roots. >>>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these >>>> histories give >>>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>>> through! >>>> >>>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>>> >>>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. >>>> This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and >>>> Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am >>>> (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >>> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; >> 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > >

:)) Actually wondering if I am on GENANZ-L :) Hooray, Warren ....Ballarat...Victoria if you like :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.I." <spacey@westnet.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >I thought this theory was a good-un, Warren, until I read somewhere, that >it ain't necessarily so.....but can't remember where! ;) > > > Hoo Roo, > Dale > QLD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 PM > Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > >>I have this theory Jude...the Micks are the Irish and the Macs are the >>Scottish eh. Gets a wee bit complicated when you come to a CAMPBELL from >>Ireland :)) >> >> Hooray, >> >> Warren. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >> >> >>> Hello, Warren: >>> Mine are McLeans--from Tyrone. Sometimes they are MacLeans. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jude >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:38 PM >>> Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >>> >>> >>>> My CAMPBELLs and McATEERs too :)) >>>> >>>> Hooray, >>>> >>>> >>>> Warren. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> >>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:12 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hello, Mary Ellen: >>>> > I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, >>>> > but >>> the >>>> > bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. >>>> > >>>> > Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned >>>> > from >>>> > there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of >>>> > Ireland, >>>> > and >>>> > so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have >>>> > its >>>> > "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an >>> edge >>>> > on >>>> > seeing it so. >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > Jude >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >>>> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train >>> throughout >>>> >> Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You >>>> >> can >>>> >> get >>>> > a >>>> >> bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from >>> Shannon >>>> > it >>>> >> is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott >>> the >>>> >> North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train >>>> >> schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and >>>> >> Ironrud >>>> >> Eireann. >>>> >> Janet >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>> > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>> (depending >>>> > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This >>>> > means >>>> > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm >>>> > in >>>> > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in >>> Sydney; >>>> > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > > >

Hi Robyn, Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out Library eh :) Hooray, Warren.....Ballarat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Hello, > > The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from the > Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most interesting read. > Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams Curse which relates to > the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is worth reading. > > Robyn > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >> >> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as well as >> the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the children....both male >> and female....by the mother. The male is unable to pass this on though. >> This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the Seven Daughters of Eve. A >> book by this name was put out by a Professor..the name eludes me I am >> afraid. This DNA, however, does not help much in genealogy. It takes in >> all the female line. So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her >> mother was a MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a >> HONEYBONE, and her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back >> to late 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the >> beginning of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. >> Interesting perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I think. >> >> >> Hooray, >> >> >> Warren. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding it >>>can only be >>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, which is >>> a shame. >>> >>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right on >>> the mark >>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great deal. >>> I am >>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a novel, >>> it >>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>> historical >>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to understand >>> our roots. >>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these >>> histories give >>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>> through! >>> >>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>> >>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. >>> This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and >>> Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am >>> (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > >

Hello Bonny, I notice you are researching the Hogan name. I am descended from a Denis Hogan, born somewhere in Tipperary ca. 1811. I wonder, have you seen this name? I have been unable to find anything about him, apart from his being send here to Australia as a convict. Best wishes, Liz Walker Sydney, Aust. At 08:55 AM 10/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi Listers, >While doing my own research (HOGAN/GRACE/CALLANAN) in Thurles, Tipperary, I >have found a lot of HEFFERNANS, and some LONERGANS also. You might try >checking for yours there. >Bonnie GARRITY >California > > >==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >[If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa]

Hi Jim, Now you pushing it eh :)) I never met her but this is what I have picked up off the net. She was born Catherine McATEER on the 17 May 1857, and accompanied her brother, James, out to Wellington, New Zealand onboard the ship Rakaia in 1778. Aboard the Rakaia was also John CAMPBELL. The three of them left London and were said to have come from Antrim, Ireland. When Catherine died on the 19 July 1916 it was written she had come from Londonderry, Ireland. I am not too sure about the distance of these two places or, if indeed, Londonderry is a town in Antrim. John died on the 13 February 1929, and from the write up I got the idea he was born in about 1853-4. Have no idea where Newry is :) I have looked up the White pages in New Zealand and found two McATEERs.....one in Auckland and the other just north of Wellington...if I remember. I thought of contacting the Auckland lot as I come from there...then realised that it is more likely to be the other lot as it is closer to Wellington eh. Still haven't done so though.....should eh....they might be the link for finding out about John CAMPBELL....his date of birth perhaps. Hooray, Warren. Oh........they were married in Wellington in 1882. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McAteer" <jamcateer@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > Tell me about your McAteers, if you will. Mine are from Newry. > > Jim McAteer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net>

I have this theory Jude...the Micks are the Irish and the Macs are the Scottish eh. Gets a wee bit complicated when you come to a CAMPBELL from Ireland :)) Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > Hello, Warren: > Mine are McLeans--from Tyrone. Sometimes they are MacLeans. > > Cheers, > Jude > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > >> My CAMPBELLs and McATEERs too :)) >> >> Hooray, >> >> >> Warren. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >> >> >> > Hello, Mary Ellen: >> > I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, but > the >> > bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. >> > >> > Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned from >> > there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of Ireland, >> > and >> > so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have its >> > "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an > edge >> > on >> > seeing it so. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Jude >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM >> > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >> > >> > >> >> Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train > throughout >> >> Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You can >> >> get >> > a >> >> bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from > Shannon >> > it >> >> is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott > the >> >> North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train >> >> schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and >> >> Ironrud >> >> Eireann. >> >> Janet >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending >> > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; >> > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > > >

I thought this theory was a good-un, Warren, until I read somewhere, that it ain't necessarily so.....but can't remember where! ;) Hoo Roo, Dale QLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >I have this theory Jude...the Micks are the Irish and the Macs are the >Scottish eh. Gets a wee bit complicated when you come to a CAMPBELL from >Ireland :)) > > Hooray, > > Warren. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > >> Hello, Warren: >> Mine are McLeans--from Tyrone. Sometimes they are MacLeans. >> >> Cheers, >> Jude >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:38 PM >> Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >> >> >>> My CAMPBELLs and McATEERs too :)) >>> >>> Hooray, >>> >>> >>> Warren. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >>> >>> >>> > Hello, Mary Ellen: >>> > I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, but >> the >>> > bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. >>> > >>> > Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned from >>> > there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of >>> > Ireland, >>> > and >>> > so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have its >>> > "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an >> edge >>> > on >>> > seeing it so. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Jude >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >>> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >>> > >>> > >>> >> Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train >> throughout >>> >> Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You >>> >> can >>> >> get >>> > a >>> >> bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from >> Shannon >>> > it >>> >> is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott >> the >>> >> North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train >>> >> schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and >>> >> Ironrud >>> >> Eireann. >>> >> Janet >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>> > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >> (depending >>> > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This >>> > means >>> > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm >>> > in >>> > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in >> Sydney; >>> > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >> >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > >

Also, forgot to mention: Regarding settlements in Michigan by the Irish - we have several counties which have Irish names: Clare, Roscommon and Antrim are just a few. Clare has good farming, and Antrim was known for white pine used for ships masts (white pine's central trunk grows straight and very tall plus it is a very hard wood). Irish came to Michigan in the mid to late 1800s to cut the pine. I tried to figure out where O'Brian Dillon was urging Irish to settle, and I think that it had to be near Detroit or along the Detroit to Chicago trail - which still exists and is now called the M-12. It was once an indian trail cutting across the southern part of Michigan. The south central part of Michigan was not settled until the mid 1830s, with the territory becoming a state in 1837, at which time my town became the capital. I will try to follow up on the article with some of the clubs in the area. Mary Anne

In 1833 the area at the west end of Lake Erie he speaks of was claimed by Michigan. See the Toledo War http://www.michigan.gov/dmva/0,1607,7-126-2360_3003_3009-16934--,00.html This area went to the state of Ohio in 1835. William Barrett Grand Rapids MI

This is very interesting!! My local Mid-Michigan Irish American club has been discussing Irish emigration into Michigan. I will tell them abouth this article. Mary Anne Smith Lansing MI Seacht seachtaine ramhra ó Shamhain go Nollaig. Seven fat weeks from Samhain to Christmas. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Heaphy [mailto:tipwex@eircom.net] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:11 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Tipp Free Press March 20th 1833. America. Emigration to the United States. An opportunity now offers to those disposed to emigrate, whereby they can have every facility necessary for settling advantageously. A Mercantile Gentleman who has resided several years in the interior of the United States, and whose acquaintance with it is very extensive, is now visiting the South of Ireland, and intending to return soon,proposes to take charge of 200 families to settle, and to direct them in all that is essential in securing comforts and success. The plan that he recommends, is for a considerable number of individuals to emigrate in a body, and settle in one neighbourhood. The part of the country he is recommending is Michigan-which lies on the western end of Lake Erie, the whole of the route from Ireland can be performed by water, and at little expense. The title to the land of location is made by the United States Government, and the present price is fixed at about 5s6d per acre in fee. The soil is extremely rich; producing for 20 to 30 years without having recourse to manure, it yields an average of 30 bushels of wheat to the english acre-which commands there from 4s to 4s6d. per bushel(Of about 60 pounds); wheat is the principle grain for tillage; the Country everywhere is intersected with navigable rivers and the facilities of Intercourse are very great with New York, and also the Canadian market. the strongest proof of the fertility of that part of the country is, that upwards of 15,000 native Americans migrated there within the last year, from the earlier settled parts of America. The class of persons who are tendered the advantages of the present opportunity are those who, for a family of 5, could command not less than £300, this sum would defray all the expenses of their passages and provisions; purchase in fee 160 acres of land, buy a years provisions-the necessary mplements of husbandry, a horse, cow, two oxen, the small articles of housekeeping, and pay for the erection of a house. 200? would barely suffice for all these purposes; but it would be necessary to have a little more than required in order to meet the contingencies of the first year, which, of course, it would take to make a crop, and after the expiration of that period (with good conduct) there could be no earthly possibility of the settler being otherwise than blest with the general comforts of life in abundance, and, eventually rich. Should settlers desire it, the lands will be bought for them, the provisions laid in, and stock purchased, all ready for their arrival. In forwarding this project, much expense and loss of time must be incurred by the person undertaking it, in consideration of which he will charge 6 per cent commission. However the public may be indisposed to professions of philarthropy?, it is not less gratifing to him to avow, that one of his principle motives in offering, is with a view of securing a conpeteney and comfortable house, to as many that are fortunate enough to have the necessary means of compassing it, and which, will further enable them to lay the foundations of independence for their rising families. Personal communications to be had with O'Brian Dillon, Esq; Solicitor, at his residence, Nenagh, County Tipperary, until the 10th of April. Dated 18th March 1833. Mary (£300 seems an awful lot to me, but 300 shillings wouldn't cover the price of the land. But £300 is whats on the paper) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005 ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa]

Hello, The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from the Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most interesting read. Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams Curse which relates to the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is worth reading. Robyn Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Thanks for the nice comments Diane. > > Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as well as > the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the children....both male > and female....by the mother. The male is unable to pass this on though. > This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the Seven Daughters of Eve. A > book by this name was put out by a Professor..the name eludes me I am > afraid. This DNA, however, does not help much in genealogy. It takes in > all the female line. So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her > mother was a MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a > HONEYBONE, and her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back to > late 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the beginning > of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. Interesting > perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I think. > > > Hooray, > > > Warren. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding it >>can only be >> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, which is >> a shame. >> >> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right on >> the mark >> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great deal. >> I am >> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a novel, >> it >> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >> historical >> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to understand >> our roots. >> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these >> histories give >> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >> through! >> >> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >> >> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >> Curley, Farrell in Clare >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; >> 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. > For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] > >

America. Emigration to the United States. An opportunity now offers to those disposed to emigrate, whereby they can have every facility necessary for settling advantageously. A Mercantile Gentleman who has resided several years in the interior of the United States, and whose acquaintance with it is very extensive, is now visiting the South of Ireland, and intending to return soon,proposes to take charge of 200 families to settle, and to direct them in all that is essential in securing comforts and success. The plan that he recommends, is for a considerable number of individuals to emigrate in a body, and settle in one neighbourhood. The part of the country he is recommending is Michigan-which lies on the western end of Lake Erie, the whole of the route from Ireland can be performed by water, and at little expense. The title to the land of location is made by the United States Government, and the present price is fixed at about 5s6d per acre in fee. The soil is extremely rich; producing for 20 to 30 years without having recourse to manure, it yields an average of 30 bushels of wheat to the english acre-which commands there from 4s to 4s6d. per bushel(Of about 60 pounds); wheat is the principle grain for tillage; the Country everywhere is intersected with navigable rivers and the facilities of Intercourse are very great with New York, and also the Canadian market. the strongest proof of the fertility of that part of the country is, that upwards of 15,000 native Americans migrated there within the last year, from the earlier settled parts of America. The class of persons who are tendered the advantages of the present opportunity are those who, for a family of 5, could command not less than £300, this sum would defray all the expenses of their passages and provisions; purchase in fee 160 acres of land, buy a years provisions-the necessary mplements of husbandry, a horse, cow, two oxen, the small articles of housekeeping, and pay for the erection of a house. 200? would barely suffice for all these purposes; but it would be necessary to have a little more than required in order to meet the contingencies of the first year, which, of course, it would take to make a crop, and after the expiration of that period (with good conduct) there could be no earthly possibility of the settler being otherwise than blest with the general comforts of life in abundance, and, eventually rich. Should settlers desire it, the lands will be bought for them, the provisions laid in, and stock purchased, all ready for their arrival. In forwarding this project, much expense and loss of time must be incurred by the person undertaking it, in consideration of which he will charge 6 per cent commission. However the public may be indisposed to professions of philarthropy?, it is not less gratifing to him to avow, that one of his principle motives in offering, is with a view of securing a conpeteney and comfortable house, to as many that are fortunate enough to have the necessary means of compassing it, and which, will further enable them to lay the foundations of independence for their rising families. Personal communications to be had with O'Brian Dillon, Esq; Solicitor, at his residence, Nenagh, County Tipperary, until the 10th of April. Dated 18th March 1833. Mary (£300 seems an awful lot to me, but 300 shillings wouldn't cover the price of the land. But £300 is whats on the paper) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005

My CAMPBELLs and McATEERs too :)) Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > Hello, Mary Ellen: > I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, but the > bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. > > Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned from > there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of Ireland, > and > so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have its > "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an edge > on > seeing it so. > > Cheers, > Jude > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > >> Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train throughout >> Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You can >> get > a >> bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from Shannon > it >> is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott the >> North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train >> schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and Ironrud >> Eireann. >> Janet >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > >

Thanks for the nice comments Diane. Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as well as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the children....both male and female....by the mother. The male is unable to pass this on though. This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the Seven Daughters of Eve. A book by this name was put out by a Professor..the name eludes me I am afraid. This DNA, however, does not help much in genealogy. It takes in all the female line. So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her mother was a MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a HONEYBONE, and her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back to late 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the beginning of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. Interesting perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I think. Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding it can >only be > done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, which is > a shame. > > Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right on > the mark > with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great deal. I > am > reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a novel, it > incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of historical > significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to understand > our roots. > We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these > histories give > us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed > through! > > Good luck! Thanks again, Diane > > Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary > Curley, Farrell in Clare > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > >

Hi Laraine, I was under the impression you had two choices only. Catholic or Church of Ireland? Hooray, Warren in Ballarat, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > LONERGAN > I have a Kitty Lonergan and a Pat Lonergan sponsors in > 1830 and 1832 Tipperary Parish. > Re Transportation papers in the early 1800's would a person be defined as > a > Protestant or Roman Catholic or would it also state Anglican. The point I > am > trying to make is. Would a Protestant only apply to Methodist and > Congregational.Or would it include Anglican. > Laraine > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:16 PM > Subject: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > >> I have recently homed in on a LONERGAN Family in Carrick on Suir and have >> Baptism information for their children. >> I thought I would post the sponsor information in case any listers are >> researching these names in Carrick. >> The mother and father are James Lonergan and Mary Rohan who married in >> Carrick 27/11/1837. >> The witnesses at the marriage were MICHAEL HEALY and MARY NEAL >> The children are as follows. >> >> JOHN b 1838 - sponsors JAMES HEALY, JOANA HEALY >> PHILIP b 1841 " JAMES LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN >> MICHAEL b 1843 " JOHN MARA, MARY PRENDERGAST >> BRIGIT b 1845 " MICHAEL HEFFERMAN, BRIGID LONG >> CATHERINE b 1848 " JAMES ROHAN. BRIGID QUINN >> THOMAS b 1849 " JOSEPH WHITNEY, MARY NEIL >> JAMES b 1851 " EDWARD SHEA, ELLEN HALLEY >> MARGARET b 1854 " JOHN LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN >> JAMES2 b 1855 " MICHAEL LONERGAN, CATHERINE WALL >> MAURICE b 1858 " JEREMY FITZGERALD, ELLEN FINEGAN >> >> Hope these names can be of use to someone and especially if they can be >> linked to LONERGAN's in Carrick. >> >> Regards >> David Lonergan >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > >

Hello Liz, I'm sorry to say I haven't got back beyond 1839 with my HOGANs. My maternal great grandmother had a brother named Denis, but he was born in 1878. I did receive some other HOGAN records from Tipperary Heritage Unit, but there were no Denis'. Happy, though frustrating, searching Bonnie GARRITY California

Tell me about your McAteers, if you will. Mine are from Newry. Jim McAteer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > My CAMPBELLs and McATEERs too :)) > > Hooray, > > > Warren. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > >> Hello, Mary Ellen: >> I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, but >> the >> bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. >> >> Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned from >> there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of Ireland, >> and >> so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have its >> "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an edge >> on >> seeing it so. >> >> Cheers, >> Jude >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland >> >> >>> Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train >>> throughout >>> Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You can >>> get >> a >>> bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from Shannon >> it >>> is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott the >>> North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train >>> schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and Ironrud >>> Eireann. >>> Janet >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; >> 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > >

Hello, Warren: Mine are McLeans--from Tyrone. Sometimes they are MacLeans. Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > My CAMPBELLs and McATEERs too :)) > > Hooray, > > > Warren. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > > > Hello, Mary Ellen: > > I don't know about the bus to Derry from towns in the 26 Counties, but the > > bus from Belfast to Derry is fine -- more dependable than the train. > > > > Don't know why you "boycott the North," Janet. I've just returned from > > there--it's a remarkable, beautiful, and awe-inspiring part of Ireland, > > and > > so are its people (except for the few--and what place doesn't have its > > "few"?). Well, some of my people come from there--so maybe I have an edge > > on > > seeing it so. > > > > Cheers, > > Jude > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [TIP] Travel in Ireland > > > > > >> Dear Mary Ellen, It is very easy to travel by bus and/or train throughout > >> Ireland although a little tricky and time-consuming sometimes. You can > >> get > > a > >> bus in Dublin directly to Clonmel, no problem. If traveling from Shannon > > it > >> is a little trickier. Haven't gone to Derry as I, too, still boycott the > >> North. Knock probably has a bus but might need a car. Both the train > >> schedules and bus schedules are on-line through Bus Eireann and Ironrud > >> Eireann. > >> Janet > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >

Hi Listers, While doing my own research (HOGAN/GRACE/CALLANAN) in Thurles, Tipperary, I have found a lot of HEFFERNANS, and some LONERGANS also. You might try checking for yours there. Bonnie GARRITY California