Julie Betsy is indeed a diminutive for Elizabeth in the U.S. But in Ireland you might also want to consider a "Bridget." This name attracted a long, long list of diminutives: Bridie, Bridgey, Beesy, Biddy, etc., etc., etc.! I have an Aunt who was baptized Bridget but who never used that name. Instead she was given a nickname at birth (a common Irish practice) and was called "Bird." Transliterated by American pronunciation, Bird became "Bert." By the 1910 US Census, she became listed as "Bertha" and that name remained with her the rest of her life. Hope this helps. Rosemary > Would anyone on the list know what the name Betsy is short for, I was > thinking maybe Elizabeth. I have a marriage cert and Betsy Lonergan is one > of the witnesses.

Hi John Thanks for those links regarding John Lonergan, it's much appreciated. The reason for my question regarding John Lonergans ancestry is that I am researching my own Lonergan family in Carrick on Suir and wondered if there was a link. (Lets face it, all Family researchers pray for a Hero or a Villain in the Family closet don't they !!) I recently had a search carried out for "all" Lonergan Baptisms in Carrick from 1834 -1839 as I have been researching a particular Family who I beleive could be mine. The only John Lonergan on my Baptism list was born 8th October 1839 to James Lonergan and Mary Rogan. (or possibly Rohan?) I understand that John Lonergan of the 13th Vermont Infantry was born in 1838 ? That is the reason I enquired about his parentage. It's all facinating reading about our Irish Ancestors even though most of us cannot find links to Hero's or Villains! Thanks again Best Wishes David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cotton" <jwcotton50@cox.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: RE: [TIP] John Lonergan - American Civil War > I see you missed a recent lecture: > The Irish in Vermont > Sun, Sept. 11, 3 p.m., American Precision Museum, Windsor, (802) 674-5781 > This talk by Dan Casey presents a historical survey of the Irish in America > - how they came, what they found and where they settled. The talk also > considers the coming of the Irish to the early rural settlements, as well as > the later economic draw of Burlington, Rutland and Vermont's other urban > centers. Significant and colorful characters - the Reverend Jeremiah > O'Callaghan, Civil War hero John Lonergan and Mayor James Edmund Burke - are > part of the story.

<Juliegydglais@aol.com> wrote : > Would anyone on the list know what the name Betsy is short for, I was > thinking maybe Elizabeth. > > I have a marriage cert and Betsy Lonergan is one of the witnesses. Betsy is usually a pet name for Elizabeth, but can also be a name in it's own right. If it was used as the name of a witness it may well have been her 'real' name, i.e. the name she was most definitely known by, rather than being any pet name. John B Leic., Eng

I have recently been reading with interest about Captain John Lonergan who served with the 13th Vermont Volunteer Infantry and who received the Congressional Medal of Honour. John Lonergan was born in Carrick on Suir in 1839 but I cannot find any information on his parents. Does anyone on the list have any more information on this man. Regards David

I see you missed a recent lecture: The Irish in Vermont Sun, Sept. 11, 3 p.m., American Precision Museum, Windsor, (802) 674-5781 This talk by Dan Casey presents a historical survey of the Irish in America - how they came, what they found and where they settled. The talk also considers the coming of the Irish to the early rural settlements, as well as the later economic draw of Burlington, Rutland and Vermont's other urban centers. Significant and colorful characters - the Reverend Jeremiah O'Callaghan, Civil War hero John Lonergan and Mayor James Edmund Burke - are part of the story. Here's a link to a photo of his tombstone http://www.homeofheroes.com/gravesites/states/pages_go/lonergan_john.html A link to 2 photos of Capt Lonergan http://www.customs.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2001/November/custoday_honor.xml There is a thread also at ancestry.com on Lonergan with some email addresses you might followup on: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/topics.Military.united-20-state s.civwar.vt.vt/65 (I'm on this board due to my great-great grandfather William White, Vermont Civil War veteran born in Toem, Tipperary 13 March 1819. I was lucky enough to find and transcribe some of his letters from Virginia during the War) -----Original Message----- From: lonny1 [mailto:lonny1@ntlworld.com] Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:48 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] John Lonergan - American Civil War I have recently been reading with interest about Captain John Lonergan who served with the 13th Vermont Volunteer Infantry and who received the Congressional Medal of Honour. John Lonergan was born in Carrick on Suir in 1839 but I cannot find any information on his parents. Does anyone on the list have any more information on this man. Regards David ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa]

Hi Mary Anne, Having read the six volumes of Merchant Sails I should think the American white pine was used for the planking of the ships as it is a soft wood. I know they used to drop down to New Zealand for the Kauri timber as it too was very tall and straight and was used for the masts. The other timber they acquired from America was the American white oak. This is a particularly good timber for the frames of the ships, I read. Now I have also read that Australia uses a local timber called Spotted Gum for the framing (Eucalyptus Maculata). Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Anne Smith" <gothic@acd.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:32 AM Subject: RE: [TIP] Tipp Free Press March 20th 1833. Michigan Settlements cont. > Also, forgot to mention: > > Regarding settlements in Michigan by the Irish - we have several counties > which have Irish names: Clare, Roscommon and Antrim are just a few. Clare > has good farming, and Antrim was known for white pine used for ships masts > (white pine's central trunk grows straight and very tall plus it is a very > hard wood). Irish came to Michigan in the mid to late 1800s to cut the > pine. > I tried to figure out where O'Brian Dillon was urging Irish to settle, and > I > think that it had to be near Detroit or along the Detroit to Chicago > trail - > which still exists and is now called the M-12. It was once an indian trail > cutting across the southern part of Michigan. The south central part of > Michigan was not settled until the mid 1830s, with the territory becoming > a > state in 1837, at which time my town became the capital. I will try to > follow up on the article with some of the clubs in the area. > > Mary Anne > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > > >

Hi, I am intrigued by this O'Brien Dillon I married into the Dillon's of Roscommon. I am lead to believe one was the fifth Earl of Roscommon . Laraine Dillon Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Anne Smith" <gothic@acd.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:32 AM Subject: RE: [TIP] Tipp Free Press March 20th 1833. Michigan Settlements cont. > Also, forgot to mention: > > Regarding settlements in Michigan by the Irish - we have several counties > which have Irish names: Clare, Roscommon and Antrim are just a few. Clare > has good farming, and Antrim was known for white pine used for ships masts > (white pine's central trunk grows straight and very tall plus it is a very > hard wood). Irish came to Michigan in the mid to late 1800s to cut the pine. > I tried to figure out where O'Brian Dillon was urging Irish to settle, and I > think that it had to be near Detroit or along the Detroit to Chicago trail - > which still exists and is now called the M-12. It was once an indian trail > cutting across the southern part of Michigan. The south central part of > Michigan was not settled until the mid 1830s, with the territory becoming a > state in 1837, at which time my town became the capital. I will try to > follow up on the article with some of the clubs in the area. > > Mary Anne > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >

Hi Robyn, Well....you have done the expensive DNA with the MtDNA so I guess it doesn't matter where you do the other. I take it you mean your brother or Uncle's Y-DNA..or husbands. Yes...I went through Familytreedna too. They were the cheapest and appear quite capable. Now of course there is Ethnoancestry and www.smgf.org to look at and as the latter is doing a special deal I would be looking at them if I were doing it now. Yes....I have put my results at ysearch.org ....and ybase.org too. With the MtDNA I am back to Harriet STEVENS in Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England in about the 1800s so that could go anywhere by the time we are back to the seven daughters eh. I thought Helene was one of the daughters :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Hi Warren, > > I have done my MtDNA with www.familytreedna.com , I was going to take this > test with www.oxfordancestors.com , I think that is who they are, this is > where Professor Sykes is, but as I started my YChromosone with a Canadian > lady with familytreedna I thought it best I stay with them. Have you put > your results to YSearch.org . > > Helene is from Professor Sykes book, other labs just use the initial H . > Helene is from south western France. I only went into this research to > see where my female line came from I did not expect to link with other > females, maybe in time this will happen, but I think a lot of females will > have to participate before we have better results, my girls as I know them > are from Staffordshire in the UK. > > I will leave you to sort all of this out. > > Sincerely, > Robyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Hi Robyn, >> >> Well ...I was up in Rockhampton as a Chaperone, with my wife, for >> overseas students of ASSE....back in 1990. I bought a white straw >> "cowboy" hat whilst there that I use while mowing the lawn each summer. >> >> I take it Helene was one of the seven daughters? And where did she come >> from? I suppose it would be similar to Y-DNA ....if you had an exact >> match it would be closer to the here now? Who did you do your testing >> through? Were they any good....did you learn anything and were you happy >> with the outcome? Can not make up my mind whether to go down that track >> or not as I have not seen anything on the net that says this is the thing >> for me eh. The Y-DNA, on the other hand, has given me a lot of >> information on where my ancestors came from, albeit at a large distance. >> I feel this would come right forward once people decide to join the few >> thousand of us who have done the test. I would love to see all the >> POWERs in Waterford to the test and find I had an exact match with >> someone there. Unfortunately, to date, I have been unable to raise one >> POWER on that List :)) >> >> >> Hooray, >> >> >> Warren. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>> Warren, >>> >>> I had the MtDNA test purely to see where in the world my female line >>> came from. Matches have got in touch with me but as I say to them we >>> could be related anywhere in the last 20,000 years, that is where Helene >>> comes into the picture. >>> I see you are from Ballarat! I am from the Blayney family of Ballarat, >>> a few of them in the cemetary down there. >>> Edward Blayney was involved with mining the bluestone & also ran a few >>> pubs in his time. >>> >>> Robyn >>> Rockhampton. Qld. >>> >>> ps. Also my McHenry family were in Ballarat >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:35 PM >>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>> >>> >>>> Hi Robyn, >>>> >>>> Well...I have been playing with the Y-DNA for the past three years so >>>> am getting an idea on it eh. The MtDNA may be taken from my sample I >>>> sent to www.smgf.org but think I would have to pay for it to be given >>>> to me. They are doing a one off special at present of 26 markers on the >>>> Y-DNA, and also on the MtDNA....both for $US95.00 each. Makes the >>>> place where I did my Y-DNA look expensive but is actually cheap if done >>>> with a surname Project like we did. I am more than satisfied with my >>>> Y-DNA information, but would have to read the book to decide whether >>>> there is anything worth while in doing the MtDNA eh. >>>> >>>> Hooray, >>>> >>>> >>>> Warren. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Warren, the book has obviously some scientific data in it that appears >>>>> a little hard if you do not have that sought of a background, but he >>>>> repeats things and eventually you can work things out. The Professor >>>>> has been involved with the BBC science programmes which gives him an >>>>> ability to talk to the wider community on a level we can understand. >>>>> My husband & I (he being a doctor) thoroughly enjoyed both of the >>>>> books, he thought they were very well written. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy the books, >>>>> Robyn >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:37 PM >>>>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Robyn, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out >>>>>> Library eh :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hooray, >>>>>> >>>>>> Warren.....Ballarat. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >>>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from >>>>>>> the Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most >>>>>>> interesting read. Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams >>>>>>> Curse which relates to the YChromosone & this is the male line, it >>>>>>> is worth reading. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robyn >>>>>>> Australia >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>>>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as >>>>>>>> well as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the >>>>>>>> children....both male and female....by the mother. The male is >>>>>>>> unable to pass this on though. This is tracking the maternal DNA >>>>>>>> back to the Seven Daughters of Eve. A book by this name was put out >>>>>>>> by a Professor..the name eludes me I am afraid. This DNA, however, >>>>>>>> does not help much in genealogy. It takes in all the female line. >>>>>>>> So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her mother was a >>>>>>>> MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a HONEYBONE, and >>>>>>>> her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back to late >>>>>>>> 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the >>>>>>>> beginning of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. >>>>>>>> Interesting perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I >>>>>>>> think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hooray, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Warren. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >>>>>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my >>>>>>>>>understanding it can only be >>>>>>>>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, >>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>> a shame. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are >>>>>>>>> right on the mark >>>>>>>>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great >>>>>>>>> deal. I am >>>>>>>>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a >>>>>>>>> novel, it >>>>>>>>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>>>>>>>> historical >>>>>>>>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to >>>>>>>>> understand our roots. >>>>>>>>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but >>>>>>>>> these histories give >>>>>>>>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>>>>>>>> through! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>>>>>>>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>>>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>>>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>>>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New >>>>>>>>> York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) >>>>>>>>> in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >>>>>>>> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice >>>>>>>> versa] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in >>>>>>> Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>>>>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >>>>> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >>>>> the original message important to your reply. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. 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Would anyone on the list know what the name Betsy is short for, I was thinking maybe Elizabeth. I have a marriage cert and Betsy Lonergan is one of the witnesses. Thanks. Julie

Hi Warren, I have done my MtDNA with www.familytreedna.com , I was going to take this test with www.oxfordancestors.com , I think that is who they are, this is where Professor Sykes is, but as I started my YChromosone with a Canadian lady with familytreedna I thought it best I stay with them. Have you put your results to YSearch.org . Helene is from Professor Sykes book, other labs just use the initial H . Helene is from south western France. I only went into this research to see where my female line came from I did not expect to link with other females, maybe in time this will happen, but I think a lot of females will have to participate before we have better results, my girls as I know them are from Staffordshire in the UK. I will leave you to sought all of this out. Sincerely, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Hi Robyn, > > Well ...I was up in Rockhampton as a Chaperone, with my wife, for overseas > students of ASSE....back in 1990. I bought a white straw "cowboy" hat > whilst there that I use while mowing the lawn each summer. > > I take it Helene was one of the seven daughters? And where did she come > from? I suppose it would be similar to Y-DNA ....if you had an exact > match it would be closer to the here now? Who did you do your testing > through? Were they any good....did you learn anything and were you happy > with the outcome? Can not make up my mind whether to go down that track or > not as I have not seen anything on the net that says this is the thing for > me eh. The Y-DNA, on the other hand, has given me a lot of information on > where my ancestors came from, albeit at a large distance. I feel this > would come right forward once people decide to join the few thousand of us > who have done the test. I would love to see all the POWERs in Waterford > to the test and find I had an exact match with someone there. > Unfortunately, to date, I have been unable to raise one POWER on that List > :)) > > > Hooray, > > > Warren. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Warren, >> >> I had the MtDNA test purely to see where in the world my female line came >> from. Matches have got in touch with me but as I say to them we could be >> related anywhere in the last 20,000 years, that is where Helene comes >> into the picture. >> I see you are from Ballarat! I am from the Blayney family of Ballarat, a >> few of them in the cemetary down there. >> Edward Blayney was involved with mining the bluestone & also ran a few >> pubs in his time. >> >> Robyn >> Rockhampton. Qld. >> >> ps. Also my McHenry family were in Ballarat >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:35 PM >> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>> Hi Robyn, >>> >>> Well...I have been playing with the Y-DNA for the past three years so am >>> getting an idea on it eh. The MtDNA may be taken from my sample I sent >>> to www.smgf.org but think I would have to pay for it to be given to me. >>> They are doing a one off special at present of 26 markers on the Y-DNA, >>> and also on the MtDNA....both for $US95.00 each. Makes the place where >>> I did my Y-DNA look expensive but is actually cheap if done with a >>> surname Project like we did. I am more than satisfied with my Y-DNA >>> information, but would have to read the book to decide whether there is >>> anything worth while in doing the MtDNA eh. >>> >>> Hooray, >>> >>> >>> Warren. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>> >>> >>>> Warren, the book has obviously some scientific data in it that appears >>>> a little hard if you do not have that sought of a background, but he >>>> repeats things and eventually you can work things out. The Professor >>>> has been involved with the BBC science programmes which gives him an >>>> ability to talk to the wider community on a level we can understand. >>>> My husband & I (he being a doctor) thoroughly enjoyed both of the >>>> books, he thought they were very well written. >>>> >>>> Enjoy the books, >>>> Robyn >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:37 PM >>>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Robyn, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out >>>>> Library eh :) >>>>> >>>>> Hooray, >>>>> >>>>> Warren.....Ballarat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from >>>>>> the Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most >>>>>> interesting read. Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams >>>>>> Curse which relates to the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is >>>>>> worth reading. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robyn >>>>>> Australia >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM >>>>>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as >>>>>>> well as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the >>>>>>> children....both male and female....by the mother. The male is >>>>>>> unable to pass this on though. This is tracking the maternal DNA >>>>>>> back to the Seven Daughters of Eve. A book by this name was put out >>>>>>> by a Professor..the name eludes me I am afraid. This DNA, however, >>>>>>> does not help much in genealogy. It takes in all the female line. >>>>>>> So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her mother was a >>>>>>> MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a HONEYBONE, and >>>>>>> her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back to late >>>>>>> 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the >>>>>>> beginning of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. >>>>>>> Interesting perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I >>>>>>> think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hooray, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warren. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >>>>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding >>>>>>>>it can only be >>>>>>>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, >>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>> a shame. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are >>>>>>>> right on the mark >>>>>>>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great >>>>>>>> deal. I am >>>>>>>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a >>>>>>>> novel, it >>>>>>>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>>>>>>> historical >>>>>>>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to >>>>>>>> understand our roots. >>>>>>>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but >>>>>>>> these histories give >>>>>>>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>>>>>>> through! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>>>>>>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in >>>>>>>> Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >>>>>>> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; >>>>>> 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>>>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >>>> possible when replying to a List Posting. 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Thank you Bonnie for your interest and reply. Sincerely, Liz Sydney At 07:05 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote: >Hello Liz, >I'm sorry to say I haven't got back beyond 1839 with my HOGANs. My maternal >great grandmother had a brother named Denis, but he was born in 1878. I did >receive some other HOGAN records from Tipperary Heritage Unit, but >there were >no Denis'. >Happy, though frustrating, searching >Bonnie GARRITY >California > > >==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >>Watch those SUBJECT headings! When the topic changes - change the subject<<

Dear Tom This is a terrific reply to my query. Thank you very much. I'm emailing the Old St Mary's parish library and will also look at the sites you suggested. I'm searching for an O'Brien family who was in Cahir in 1824. Cunningham Porter O'Brien listed under Clergy and Gentry in the 1824 Pigot's Directory living at Waterloo Cottage, also William O'Brien same address, same date. Cunningham Porter O'Brien may have been the son of Daniel O'Brien and his wife Jane nee Cunningham but this is not proven. Cunningham Porter O'Brien's son, Jonathan Porter O'Brien was baptised at St Paul's Cahir in 1825. Jonathan came to Australia in 1849 and built a house that is now a National Trust property and I'm a volunteer trying to trace his origins. Many thanks again for these new leads. Jennifer Geelong Australia >I'm usually the "asker" so it's nice to be able to pass on some knowledge. > >Most of the surviving C of I records are preserved at the >Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. For some where the >origibans are still held at the parish they have a microfilmed copy. >Others are only held at individual parishes so that office should be >contacted. The RCBL Web site is: >http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/libroots.html >They will answer your questions about records but don't do the >lookups for you as they get way too many requests. > >Also, the following site lists the surviving records for each C of I >parish at the RCBL: >http://ireland.progenealogists.com/ParishRegisters.asp > >Now for Cahir itself, I don't know about the cemetery but the C of I >parish records for Cahir are kept (the actual original registers) at >the Old St. Mary's Clonmel parish library. These have been >completely computerized and they will provide you with a surname >report for a fee and you may get an individual lookup for free but I >wouldn't count on it. I got a family surname report for the whole >diocese which included 40 or so records for 40 euros so that's a >bargain. Several of the references were of family members in Cahir. >Their email address is: >oldstmaryschurchgenelogy@eircom.net > >This office should be applauded for getting their records >transcribed and on computer and need the fees to carry on their >work. It's a tremendous service. I wish more could get this done. >A paid researcher working through the original records or even on >microfilm would cost much more for the hours they would have to put >in. > > > > > > >Tom LaPorte > > >==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >[If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa]

Pete, many many thanks for the very interesting news about the Cahir graveyards. May I please ask another question? Does the book mention any dates about the earliest burials in any of the three cemeteries mentioned please? Jennifer >Jennifer at JenniferBantow@bigpond.com writes: > ><< Can you tell me please if the graveyard at Cahir has been studied? >> > >Jennifer, > >I can't tell you about the records, etc., but I can give you what Mitchell's >book on Irish Churches and Graveyards says. He places two graveyards in the >town, neither of which is associated with a church. One cemetery is on Abbey >Street, and the other is on Market Street. The only other burial >ground in the >entire civil parish is about 2 miles south of Caher town, in Ballybrada >townland (shown as "Graveyard", in red, on Discovery map 74). The >book format is >somewhat cryptic, but it seems that this may be a Quaker graveyard. >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > >==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ >Contact the Listowner at: >mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com

Hi Robyn, Well ...I was up in Rockhampton as a Chaperone, with my wife, for overseas students of ASSE....back in 1990. I bought a white straw "cowboy" hat whilst there that I use while mowing the lawn each summer. I take it Helene was one of the seven daughters? And where did she come from? I suppose it would be similar to Y-DNA ....if you had an exact match it would be closer to the here now? Who did you do your testing through? Were they any good....did you learn anything and were you happy with the outcome? Can not make up my mind whether to go down that track or not as I have not seen anything on the net that says this is the thing for me eh. The Y-DNA, on the other hand, has given me a lot of information on where my ancestors came from, albeit at a large distance. I feel this would come right forward once people decide to join the few thousand of us who have done the test. I would love to see all the POWERs in Waterford to the test and find I had an exact match with someone there. Unfortunately, to date, I have been unable to raise one POWER on that List :)) Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Warren, > > I had the MtDNA test purely to see where in the world my female line came > from. Matches have got in touch with me but as I say to them we could be > related anywhere in the last 20,000 years, that is where Helene comes into > the picture. > I see you are from Ballarat! I am from the Blayney family of Ballarat, a > few of them in the cemetary down there. > Edward Blayney was involved with mining the bluestone & also ran a few > pubs in his time. > > Robyn > Rockhampton. Qld. > > ps. Also my McHenry family were in Ballarat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:35 PM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Hi Robyn, >> >> Well...I have been playing with the Y-DNA for the past three years so am >> getting an idea on it eh. The MtDNA may be taken from my sample I sent >> to www.smgf.org but think I would have to pay for it to be given to me. >> They are doing a one off special at present of 26 markers on the Y-DNA, >> and also on the MtDNA....both for $US95.00 each. Makes the place where I >> did my Y-DNA look expensive but is actually cheap if done with a surname >> Project like we did. I am more than satisfied with my Y-DNA information, >> but would have to read the book to decide whether there is anything worth >> while in doing the MtDNA eh. >> >> Hooray, >> >> >> Warren. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>> Warren, the book has obviously some scientific data in it that appears a >>> little hard if you do not have that sought of a background, but he >>> repeats things and eventually you can work things out. The Professor has >>> been involved with the BBC science programmes which gives him an ability >>> to talk to the wider community on a level we can understand. My husband >>> & I (he being a doctor) thoroughly enjoyed both of the books, he thought >>> they were very well written. >>> >>> Enjoy the books, >>> Robyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:37 PM >>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>> >>> >>>> Hi Robyn, >>>> >>>> Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out >>>> Library eh :) >>>> >>>> Hooray, >>>> >>>> Warren.....Ballarat. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from >>>>> the Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most >>>>> interesting read. Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams >>>>> Curse which relates to the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is >>>>> worth reading. >>>>> >>>>> Robyn >>>>> Australia >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM >>>>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as >>>>>> well as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the >>>>>> children....both male and female....by the mother. The male is unable >>>>>> to pass this on though. This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the >>>>>> Seven Daughters of Eve. A book by this name was put out by a >>>>>> Professor..the name eludes me I am afraid. This DNA, however, does >>>>>> not help much in genealogy. It takes in all the female line. >>>>>> So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her mother was a >>>>>> MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a HONEYBONE, and >>>>>> her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back to late >>>>>> 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back to the beginning >>>>>> of time and shows where abouts your maternal side began. Interesting >>>>>> perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hooray, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Warren. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >>>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding >>>>>>>it can only be >>>>>>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, >>>>>>> which is >>>>>>> a shame. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right >>>>>>> on the mark >>>>>>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great >>>>>>> deal. I am >>>>>>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a >>>>>>> novel, it >>>>>>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>>>>>> historical >>>>>>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to >>>>>>> understand our roots. >>>>>>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these >>>>>>> histories give >>>>>>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>>>>>> through! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>>>>>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in >>>>>>> Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >>>>>> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; >>>>> 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >>> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >>> the original message important to your reply. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > >

Does anyone know where Middle Plough, Co. Tipperary is? I can't find it on my map nor anything through google. Thanks, Karen

Oh..... :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > Hi Thanks Mokurai, > I am talking about England and Oz sorry.I should have made it a little > clearer. > Laraine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:55 AM > Subject: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > >> Hi Laraine, >> >> I was under the impression you had two choices only. Catholic or Church >> of >> Ireland? >> >> Hooray, >> >> >> Warren in Ballarat, Australia. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms >> >> >> > LONERGAN >> > I have a Kitty Lonergan and a Pat Lonergan sponsors in >> > 1830 and 1832 Tipperary Parish. >> > Re Transportation papers in the early 1800's would a person be defined > as >> > a >> > Protestant or Roman Catholic or would it also state Anglican. The point > I >> > am >> > trying to make is. Would a Protestant only apply to Methodist and >> > Congregational.Or would it include Anglican. >> > Laraine >> > Australia >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> >> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:16 PM >> > Subject: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms >> > >> > >> >> I have recently homed in on a LONERGAN Family in Carrick on Suir and > have >> >> Baptism information for their children. >> >> I thought I would post the sponsor information in case any listers are >> >> researching these names in Carrick. >> >> The mother and father are James Lonergan and Mary Rohan who married in >> >> Carrick 27/11/1837. >> >> The witnesses at the marriage were MICHAEL HEALY and MARY NEAL >> >> The children are as follows. >> >> >> >> JOHN b 1838 - sponsors JAMES HEALY, JOANA HEALY >> >> PHILIP b 1841 " JAMES LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN >> >> MICHAEL b 1843 " JOHN MARA, MARY PRENDERGAST >> >> BRIGIT b 1845 " MICHAEL HEFFERMAN, BRIGID LONG >> >> CATHERINE b 1848 " JAMES ROHAN. BRIGID QUINN >> >> THOMAS b 1849 " JOSEPH WHITNEY, MARY NEIL >> >> JAMES b 1851 " EDWARD SHEA, ELLEN HALLEY >> >> MARGARET b 1854 " JOHN LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN >> >> JAMES2 b 1855 " MICHAEL LONERGAN, CATHERINE WALL >> >> MAURICE b 1858 " JEREMY FITZGERALD, ELLEN FINEGAN >> >> >> >> Hope these names can be of use to someone and especially if they can >> >> be >> >> linked to LONERGAN's in Carrick. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> David Lonergan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the > time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 > noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > > >

Jennifer at JenniferBantow@bigpond.com writes: << Does the book mention any dates about the earliest burials in any of the three cemeteries mentioned please? >> Sorry, Jennifer, It only mentions the existence of a graveyard and its location - no information about the cemetery itself. If this had been a few miles north, in N. Tipp, I might have been able to give you some of that sort of information from the N. Tipp Archaeology book. But the gov't hasn't issued a book for the South, yet. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hi Thanks Mokurai, I am talking about England and Oz sorry.I should have made it a little clearer. Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > Hi Laraine, > > I was under the impression you had two choices only. Catholic or Church of > Ireland? > > Hooray, > > > Warren in Ballarat, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LARAINE DILLON" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > > > LONERGAN > > I have a Kitty Lonergan and a Pat Lonergan sponsors in > > 1830 and 1832 Tipperary Parish. > > Re Transportation papers in the early 1800's would a person be defined as > > a > > Protestant or Roman Catholic or would it also state Anglican. The point I > > am > > trying to make is. Would a Protestant only apply to Methodist and > > Congregational.Or would it include Anglican. > > Laraine > > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "lonny1" <lonny1@ntlworld.com> > > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:16 PM > > Subject: [TIP] Sponsors at Baptisms > > > > > >> I have recently homed in on a LONERGAN Family in Carrick on Suir and have > >> Baptism information for their children. > >> I thought I would post the sponsor information in case any listers are > >> researching these names in Carrick. > >> The mother and father are James Lonergan and Mary Rohan who married in > >> Carrick 27/11/1837. > >> The witnesses at the marriage were MICHAEL HEALY and MARY NEAL > >> The children are as follows. > >> > >> JOHN b 1838 - sponsors JAMES HEALY, JOANA HEALY > >> PHILIP b 1841 " JAMES LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN > >> MICHAEL b 1843 " JOHN MARA, MARY PRENDERGAST > >> BRIGIT b 1845 " MICHAEL HEFFERMAN, BRIGID LONG > >> CATHERINE b 1848 " JAMES ROHAN. BRIGID QUINN > >> THOMAS b 1849 " JOSEPH WHITNEY, MARY NEIL > >> JAMES b 1851 " EDWARD SHEA, ELLEN HALLEY > >> MARGARET b 1854 " JOHN LONERGAN, MARY ROHAN > >> JAMES2 b 1855 " MICHAEL LONERGAN, CATHERINE WALL > >> MAURICE b 1858 " JEREMY FITZGERALD, ELLEN FINEGAN > >> > >> Hope these names can be of use to someone and especially if they can be > >> linked to LONERGAN's in Carrick. > >> > >> Regards > >> David Lonergan > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >

Hi Robyn, Well...I have been playing with the Y-DNA for the past three years so am getting an idea on it eh. The MtDNA may be taken from my sample I sent to www.smgf.org but think I would have to pay for it to be given to me. They are doing a one off special at present of 26 markers on the Y-DNA, and also on the MtDNA....both for $US95.00 each. Makes the place where I did my Y-DNA look expensive but is actually cheap if done with a surname Project like we did. I am more than satisfied with my Y-DNA information, but would have to read the book to decide whether there is anything worth while in doing the MtDNA eh. Hooray, Warren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Warren, the book has obviously some scientific data in it that appears a > little hard if you do not have that sought of a background, but he repeats > things and eventually you can work things out. The Professor has been > involved with the BBC science programmes which gives him an ability to > talk to the wider community on a level we can understand. My husband & I > (he being a doctor) thoroughly enjoyed both of the books, he thought they > were very well written. > > Enjoy the books, > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Hi Robyn, >> >> Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out >> Library eh :) >> >> Hooray, >> >> Warren.....Ballarat. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from the >>> Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most interesting >>> read. Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams Curse which >>> relates to the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is worth reading. >>> >>> Robyn >>> Australia >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >>>> >>>> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as well >>>> as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the children....both >>>> male and female....by the mother. The male is unable to pass this on >>>> though. This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the Seven Daughters >>>> of Eve. A book by this name was put out by a Professor..the name eludes >>>> me I am afraid. This DNA, however, does not help much in genealogy. It >>>> takes in all the female line. So....taking my MtDNA....my mother was a >>>> GOVAN, her mother was a MAYALL, her mother was a BRIDGFORD, her mother >>>> was a HONEYBONE, and her mother was Harriet STEVENS. By this time we >>>> are back to late 1700s...early 1800s. The MtDNA carries on right back >>>> to the beginning of time and shows where abouts your maternal side >>>> began. Interesting perhaps but not exactly helpful for genealogy....I >>>> think. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hooray, >>>> >>>> >>>> Warren. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>> >>>> >>>>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding it >>>>>can only be >>>>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, which >>>>> is >>>>> a shame. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right >>>>> on the mark >>>>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great >>>>> deal. I am >>>>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a >>>>> novel, it >>>>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>>>> historical >>>>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to >>>>> understand our roots. >>>>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these >>>>> histories give >>>>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>>>> through! >>>>> >>>>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>>>> >>>>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>>>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>>>> >>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; >>>>> 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >>>> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. >>> This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and >>> Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am >>> (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > > >

Warren, I had the MtDNA test purely to see where in the world my female line came from. Matches have got in touch with me but as I say to them we could be related anywhere in the last 20,000 years, that is where Helene comes into the picture. I see you are from Ballarat! I am from the Blayney family of Ballarat, a few of them in the cemetary down there. Edward Blayney was involved with mining the bluestone & also ran a few pubs in his time. Robyn Rockhampton. Qld. ps. Also my McHenry family were in Ballarat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > Hi Robyn, > > Well...I have been playing with the Y-DNA for the past three years so am > getting an idea on it eh. The MtDNA may be taken from my sample I sent to > www.smgf.org but think I would have to pay for it to be given to me. They > are doing a one off special at present of 26 markers on the Y-DNA, and > also on the MtDNA....both for $US95.00 each. Makes the place where I did > my Y-DNA look expensive but is actually cheap if done with a surname > Project like we did. I am more than satisfied with my Y-DNA information, > but would have to read the book to decide whether there is anything worth > while in doing the MtDNA eh. > > Hooray, > > > Warren. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. > > >> Warren, the book has obviously some scientific data in it that appears a >> little hard if you do not have that sought of a background, but he >> repeats things and eventually you can work things out. The Professor has >> been involved with the BBC science programmes which gives him an ability >> to talk to the wider community on a level we can understand. My husband >> & I (he being a doctor) thoroughly enjoyed both of the books, he thought >> they were very well written. >> >> Enjoy the books, >> Robyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:37 PM >> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >> >> >>> Hi Robyn, >>> >>> Thanks for that....I reckon I will interlibrary loan that from out >>> Library eh :) >>> >>> Hooray, >>> >>> Warren.....Ballarat. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> >>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:44 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> The Seven Daughters of Eve was written by Professor Bryan Sykes from >>>> the Genetics Department of Oxford University & it is a most interesting >>>> read. Professor Sykes has written a second novel Adams Curse which >>>> relates to the YChromosone & this is the male line, it is worth >>>> reading. >>>> >>>> Robyn >>>> Australia >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mokurai" <mokurai@jigsawdesigns.net> >>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:22 AM >>>> Subject: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the nice comments Diane. >>>>> >>>>> Actually there is a DNA that the female may participate in.....as well >>>>> as the male....called MtDNA. This is passed on to the children....both >>>>> male and female....by the mother. The male is unable to pass this on >>>>> though. This is tracking the maternal DNA back to the Seven Daughters >>>>> of Eve. A book by this name was put out by a Professor..the name >>>>> eludes me I am afraid. This DNA, however, does not help much in >>>>> genealogy. It takes in all the female line. So....taking my >>>>> MtDNA....my mother was a GOVAN, her mother was a MAYALL, her mother >>>>> was a BRIDGFORD, her mother was a HONEYBONE, and her mother was >>>>> Harriet STEVENS. By this time we are back to late 1700s...early 1800s. >>>>> The MtDNA carries on right back to the beginning of time and shows >>>>> where abouts your maternal side began. Interesting perhaps but not >>>>> exactly helpful for genealogy....I think. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hooray, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warren. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >>>>> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:09 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - A wee bit of history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have read of many families doing this DNA. It is my understanding >>>>>>it can only be >>>>>> done through the male DNA however, so that leaves us women out, which >>>>>> is >>>>>> a shame. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, however, for the interesting history lesson. You are right >>>>>> on the mark >>>>>> with many of your observations and obviously have studied a great >>>>>> deal. I am >>>>>> reading IRELAND by Frank Delaney currently, and although it is a >>>>>> novel, it >>>>>> incorporates many of the observations you make, so has a lot of >>>>>> historical >>>>>> significance about the Irish people for those of us trying to >>>>>> understand our roots. >>>>>> We all will come to a road block in our personal searches, but these >>>>>> histories give >>>>>> us a general feel for the times and place our ancestors all passed >>>>>> through! >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck! Thanks again, Diane >>>>>> >>>>>> Researching Spooner, O'Grady, Kearney in Tipperary >>>>>> Curley, Farrell in Clare >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary >>>>>> Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York >>>>>> and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; >>>>>> 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>>> To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>> Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. >>>>> For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>> [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >>>> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >>>> (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. >>>> This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and >>>> Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am >>>> (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> the original message important to your reply. >> >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > >