I have followed this report with interest. Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship was by marriage. Not even close. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland >I thought this was interesting... > Scientists discover most fertile Irish male > DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's most > fertile male, > with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. > > > The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many > as one in twelve > Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th-century > warlord who was > head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. > His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol > emperor who > conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million > descendants, said Dan > Bradley, who supervised the research. > "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told Reuters. > "We're the first > generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) > have more > children." > The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit > Institute of > Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on > from fathers to > sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. > The results - which have been published in the American Journal of Human > Genetics - showed > the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where one > in five males > had the same Y chromosome. > Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central > Asia, where > scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent > studies found > they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. > "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in > Ireland and the > best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. > His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with a > contemporary > list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last > known relative of > the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. > The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the > original sample, > proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. > "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that > genealogical group > than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also > linked to the > medieval warlord. > Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, > Boyle, O'Donnell > and O'Doherty. > http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > >

Hello list, I am putting together a short synopsis concerning my GGG Grandfather and his life in Ireland and the US... I am looking for descriptions of life during the famine - and then what a voyage to the US would have been like in 1849. ie. conditions/ how long did it take. I am putting this information together for my family so that they can have a better understanding of what our GGG Grandfather and Grandmother went through to get here and possibly spark someone's interest in our family history. Furthermore, any links to websites that may further expand upon their experiences would be greatly appreciated. My ggg Grandfather was John McNamee b. abt 1810 Fermanagh d. 1895 Ohio ggg Grandmother Catharine McCurren b. abt 1835 Ireland d. 1905 Ohio I know this family is not from Tipperary, however, I have found this list enjoyable and full of helpful, knowledgable people. Tipperary family I am searching for: John P. Powers b. 17 Oct. 1829 Carrick on Suir occupation Tanner. d. 1896 Salem, Mass. Julia . > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >

Hi All I thought I would post this website this to the list: Tipperary Emigrants 1828 -1866 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maddenps/TIPPEM1.htm It may be useful to anyone looking for information on relatives who emigrated to Australia from Tipperary. Thanks Michele Darwin Australia

I thought this was interesting... Scientists discover most fertile Irish male DUBLIN (Reuters) – Scientists in Ireland may have found the country’s most fertile male, with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many as one in twelve Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th-century warlord who was head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol emperor who conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million descendants, said Dan Bradley, who supervised the research. “It’s another link between profligacy and power,” Bradley told Reuters. “We’re the first generation on the planet where if you’re successful you don’t (always) have more children.” The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit Institute of Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on from fathers to sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. The results – which have been published in the American Journal of Human Genetics – showed the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where one in five males had the same Y chromosome. Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central Asia, where scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent studies found they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. “It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in Ireland and the best candidate for it was Niall,” Bradley said. His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with a contemporary list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last known relative of the “Ui Neill” dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the original sample, proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. “The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that genealogical group than any other group we tested,” said Bradley, whose surname is also linked to the medieval warlord. Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, Boyle, O’Donnell and O’Doherty. http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 Chris

I am searching for the Reilly / Henderson / Dunbar family from Clounoulty Tipperary in the early 1800s. I have Edmund Reilly and Mary Dunbar Henderson , early 1800s but have not found anything prior to that. Hope someone out there can help Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm

Searching for any info on Thomas Carroll born abt. 1831 in Ireland (I think Tipperary). I believe his father was Anthony. Thomas married Mary Cleary born 1829 in Ireland. I can't find their marriage in Canada. I believe they married in Ireland but have not been able to find it yet in the Ireland marriages at LDS. Their children Michael born 1859 Upper Canada; Anthony born 1862; Mary born 1863; James born 1865. Liz Murray

Hello, Carol: I realize you say that all the Carroll children who emigrated settled in Wisconsin, but I can't help writing anyway. My gggrandfather was John Carroll (born around 1830) and his parents were John Carroll and Mary Quinn. But my John settled in Springfield, MA. He married Rachel MacLean there. I noticed all the Quinn sponsors in your post. Maybe there was another family of Carrolls, Patrick's siblings, perhaps. Do you know anything about your Anthony's father---about Patrick's siblings? I'd love to find out where my Carrolls are from. I know it's a long shot, but then with some of my families all shots are long! Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ccsherer@aol.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: [TIP] Roll Call- CARROLL, NEVILLE, CAREY, NAGLE, KEOGH, fITZGERALD > Searching for info. on siblings of Anthony CARROLL of Powerstown, near > Clonmel and also the townland in which they lived.. Parents were Patrick CARROLL > and Alice NEVILLE who were farmers in Powerstown. > Children: Sponsors: > JOHN b. 1815 Denis CARROLL & Hanna DUNN died as a child > MARY b. 1817 Mike NEVILLE & Bridget CORMUCK married ? > PATRCIK b. 1819 Andrew SHEA &Ellen KENNEDY ? > ANTHONY b.1821 Thomas KENNEDY & Bridget CASEY emigrated to WI. USA > PHILIP b. 1823 Nicholas KENEDY & Mary PRENDERGAST " > DENIS b. 1825 Patrick NEVILLE & Mary QUINN > " > MICHAEL b.1826 Patrick KEANE & Bridget WALL > " > JOHN b. 1829 William KENEDY & Catherine QUINN > All the children that emmigrated to US in mid 1800s settled in Wi. in Green > Co. , so I am assuming the others never emmigrated since I could not find > them in the area . John CARROLLmarried Ellen BATES in BALLYCLERIHAN and had 5 > children baptized there. >

Jim & Pete If your interested, when and if you do go to Cashel a must see is the interior of the Catholic Church. About 2 yrs. ago they finished a refurbishing it to original condition. It's a remarkable work of art. I've been there many times. An excellent B & B, Rockville House, is just below the Rock Of Cashel run by Pat & Anna Hayes. Bob Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: <PeteScherm@aol.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - MULLANY / O'DONNELL / HINES/ POWER / MEAGHER / KENNEDY > Jim at jhmullany@yahoo.com writes: > > << Any good leads on interesting places to stay for a week or two in the > Cahir, Co. Tipperary, area would be greatly appreciated, as well as > anyone's > favorite Cahir-area places to see. >> > > Jim, > > The only time I've stayed in Caher (that's how the Ordnance Survey spells > it, > and I'm going with them) was at the Wishing Well B&B, on the west side of > town, on the N 24. That was in 1998 and I enjoyed the stay and have > recommended > it to others. But the website is no longer active, however a Google > search of >> Wishing Well B&B Cahir < will give you some hits. I noticed at >> least > one of them gave a fax and phone number. But I don't know if it's alive > and > well <gr> or not. It was owned by Liam Simpson. > > Regarding things to see. If you are a fan of Early Christian or early > Medieval sites, you have Toureen Peakaun, with its 12th century Romanesque > church > and a number of earlier (8th, 9th century) cross-slabs and crosses, about > 3 > miles NW of Caher town. About 3 more miles west, in the lovely Glen of > Aherlow, > is St. Berrihert's Kyle, a small enclosure with over 50 early > cross-slabs/gravestones. > > About 7 miles NNW of Caher town, just a mile or so south of Golden, is the > huge (and magnificent) early 13th century Augustinian priory of Athassel - > along > the banks of the River Suir. I've been there only twice, and there was no > one around either time. From there, it's a short trip up to the "Must > See" Rock > of Cashel. > > I'll stop here, as I'm not sure if your interests would include any of > these > places. But I know, I plan on re-visiting all of the above sites this > coming > May, on my "Mostly Munster" tour. If you'd like more information on the > above > places, drop me a line. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > Massachusetts > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > >

Jim at jhmullany@yahoo.com writes: << Any good leads on interesting places to stay for a week or two in the Cahir, Co. Tipperary, area would be greatly appreciated, as well as anyone's favorite Cahir-area places to see. >> Jim, The only time I've stayed in Caher (that's how the Ordnance Survey spells it, and I'm going with them) was at the Wishing Well B&B, on the west side of town, on the N 24. That was in 1998 and I enjoyed the stay and have recommended it to others. But the website is no longer active, however a Google search of > Wishing Well B&B Cahir < will give you some hits. I noticed at least one of them gave a fax and phone number. But I don't know if it's alive and well <gr> or not. It was owned by Liam Simpson. Regarding things to see. If you are a fan of Early Christian or early Medieval sites, you have Toureen Peakaun, with its 12th century Romanesque church and a number of earlier (8th, 9th century) cross-slabs and crosses, about 3 miles NW of Caher town. About 3 more miles west, in the lovely Glen of Aherlow, is St. Berrihert's Kyle, a small enclosure with over 50 early cross-slabs/gravestones. About 7 miles NNW of Caher town, just a mile or so south of Golden, is the huge (and magnificent) early 13th century Augustinian priory of Athassel - along the banks of the River Suir. I've been there only twice, and there was no one around either time. From there, it's a short trip up to the "Must See" Rock of Cashel. I'll stop here, as I'm not sure if your interests would include any of these places. But I know, I plan on re-visiting all of the above sites this coming May, on my "Mostly Munster" tour. If you'd like more information on the above places, drop me a line. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Liz, Limerick would have them but as far as I know Limerick is still closed. Janet On 1/19/06, elizabethharen@aol.com <elizabethharen@aol.com> wrote: > > > If a Tipperary ancestor was born in the Killaloe Parish, which heritage > center would have those records? > > Thanks in advance! > > Liz > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the > time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 > noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >

Searching for info. on siblings of Anthony CARROLL of Powerstown, near Clonmel and also the townland in which they lived.. Parents were Patrick CARROLL and Alice NEVILLE who were farmers in Powerstown. They had 11 children born between 1815 and 1835, all baptized in the St. John the Baptist Catholic Church of Powerstown. Children: Sponsors: JOHN b. 1815 Denis CARROLL & Hanna DUNN died as a child MARY b. 1817 Mike NEVILLE & Bridget CORMUCK married ? PATRCIK b. 1819 Andrew SHEA &Ellen KENNEDY ? ANTHONY b.1821 Thomas KENNEDY & Bridget CASEY emigrated to WI. USA PHILIP b. 1823 Nicholas KENEDY & Mary PRENDERGAST " DENIS b. 1825 Patrick NEVILLE & Mary QUINN " MICHAEL b.1826 Patrick KEANE & Bridget WALL " JOHN b. 1829 William KENEDY & Catherine QUINN " ANN b. 1831 John CARROLL & Mary KEANE ? RICHARD b.1833 Edmund KENEDY &Lana FITZGERALD ? JAMES b 1835 Walter & Mary CANTWELL ? All the children that emmigrated to US in mid 1800s settled in Wi. in Green Co. , so I am assuming the others never emmigrated since I could not find them in the area . John CARROLLmarried Ellen BATES in BALLYCLERIHAN and had 5 children baptized there. ANTHONY married BRIDGET CAREY b. 1827 to WILLIAM & CATHERINE NAGLE of Co. Tipperary, in Milwaukee Wi. Searching for info on this family. Another daughter ALICE CAREY married Philip NEVILLE also of WI. Also a possible daughter Mary CAREY that married a KEOGH of WI. Anything sound familiar? Thanks Carol

Looking for info about Thomas and Catherine (Flynn) Doyle, married at St. Mary's in Clogheen in 1878. Their son Kieran was born in 1880 or '81. He was left in Clogheen (with Doyle grandparents, we think) when his parents emigrated to Columbus, Ohio, in the early 1880s. Kieran came to Chicago, Illinois, in 1899. Thanks, Pat

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Im looking for any information on these towns ( Templemore and Kiltillane) in the parish of Emly. I would like to find some pictures and databases of cemeteries in both places and alo pictures of homes on 1) Carroll Lane 2) Church St 3) Abby St in Kiltillane. I have been to the usual resources and web sites and teher isnt much ther but links to other sites telling me to contact the county history centers which dont have what I need. Second Im looking for places to stay in both towns and info on how long it takes to get from Dublin on the train to Templemore and when they run. I have the web sites for them but need actual experience to keep me up to date. THX Gary Researching Carrolls and Treacys in County Tip.

If a Tipperary ancestor was born in the Killaloe Parish, which heritage center would have those records? Thanks in advance! Liz

NO sorry -----Original Message----- From: Denis Pye [mailto:linden.pye2@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:13 PM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL Hello The Quin you mention wouldn't have a Hugh b. c. 1820. I am looking for the Irish connection to my Hugh McQueen. Thanks Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mason family" <okki@bigpond.com.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: [TIP] ROLL CALL > > > NAMES RESEARCHING > > > > Allen - Tipperary and surrounding areas 1840's > > > Brazil - Tipperary and surrounding areas 1800's > > > Quinn - Tipperary and Waterford 1840's > > > Ryan - Cappawhite 1830's - Cappawhite area > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of the original message important to your reply.

My interest is Edmund RYAN married Ellen SCANLAN / SCANLON A marriage has been found at Aghavallen Kerry 17 FEB 1829 which may (or may not) be appropriate. On the "LILLIES" to Australia in 1861, was a group comprising John, Pierce, Patrick, and Ellen RYAN John, Pearce, and Patrick were children of Edmund RYAN and Ellen SCANLAN / SCANLON. Ellen was a child of Edmund RYAN and Mary RYAN. She married William King in Geelong 1862. On the "BLUE JACKET" to Australia in 1864 were Ellen RYAN (widow of Edmund) and Ellen RYAN (daughter). Pierce 28 MAY 1835 (witnesses James Ryan and Mary Morrissey) Thomas 16 DEC 1837 (witnesses Dermot Brien and Margaret Brien) Patrick 24 JAN 1841 (witnesses Thomas Lafferd / Laffern / Laffan? and Johanna Quirk) were baptised in RC Parish of Ballylooby Tipperary (SR) ??? Whitechurch, Tubbridd, Tullaghorton. I expect that there were other children. They may have been from Derravoher Tubbridd Tipperary (SR). Ellen (Scanlan) Ryan's D/E lists in order only Ellen, John, Thomas, and Patrick. Info regarding family of Edmund RYAN and Ellen / Eleanor SCANLAN / SCANLON welcome. bfn KEVIN ROBARTS Victoria Australia

Dear Sandra, Ferryhouse was what was called an Industrial School and was a residential institution run by a religious group- probably the Christian Brothers. It was a place where children orphaned or deemed to be in need of care were placed. It was one of the institutions where abuse of the children by clerics occurred and there is a Government enquiry of the institutions underway in Ireland. There is almost certainly records of the children and if I can turn up anything, I will contact you off list. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Barker" <sbark@bmts.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: [TIP] TALBOT/HICKS/CALWELL >I <When her husband died the children were placed in a home which I think >was called the Ferry House. Was there such an institution? Are there any >records of children in it?>

Hi I have a Hennessy in my line also but none of the other names you mentionee. Do you have any other info on the Hennessy line. thanks Dianne -----Original Message----- From: laraine dillon [mailto:lmcd96@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 3:19 p.m. To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] hennessy heffernan quinn Hi, I have a direct line to Hennessy, Heffernan, and Quinn and Comerford of the Bega, Goulburn, Cowra and Young lines.Most came from Tipperary Just for the interest Mel Gibson's Grandmother was a Heffernan of Bega. Laraine In Magnificent Whitsunday's. ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 14/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 14/01/2006

Hi Lorraine in the Magnificent Whitsundays. I - or more precisely my wife - have connections with Hennessy and Heffernan of Cowra and Young. Don't know about any family connections were Quinn and/or Comerford although both names are well known to us. My wife's great uncle John Joseph Grant (from Cowra) married Johanna Breen whose mother was Catherine Hennessy (from Young I believe). Her great aunt Mary Grant (of Cowra) married Sidney Heffernan (of Young). They divorced and Sid later married Eileen Johnson of Bathurst. His parents (I think) were Patrick and Ada Heffernan. Any help? Ron Norton Gordon ACT ronn007@optusnet.com.au VET anti-virus protected ----- Original Message ----- From: "laraine dillon" <lmcd96@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [TIP] hennessy heffernan quinn Hi, I have a direct line to Hennessy, Heffernan, and Quinn and Comerford of the Bega, Goulburn, Cowra and Young lines.Most came from Tipperary Just for the interest Mel Gibson's Grandmother was a Heffernan of Bega. Laraine In Magnificent Whitsunday's. ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1248 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!