Cappawhite is the name of the R. Catholic parish in which the townland of Knockanavar resides. All in the civil parish of Toem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Quinlan" <hquinlan@nyc.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] more 1901 census added > Hi All, > > I was looking for Cappawhite on the Rootsweb page below and didn't see > it. So I'm guessing Cappawhite is a parish itself? (My family are the > Quinlans of Cappawhite.) > > Oh--and has anyone heard of Knocknevar? > > Thanks! > > > On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Christina Hunt wrote: > >> Have just added some more 1901 census. These townlands were transcribed >> by Peggy Quinn. >> The new additions are from Ballingarry Parish, Ballingarry D.E.D. in the >> Barony of Ormond >> Lower. >> >> TOWNLANDS >> _____________ >> >> Gortinarable >> Gurteen >> Kilcunnahin Beg >> Kilcunnahin More >> Knockshigowna >> Lisadonna >> Lisbryan >> Lismacrony >> Lisnagower >> Quakerstown >> Whitehall >> >> To view these go to the Ireland Genealogy Projects page for County >> Tipperary: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ >> Click on Census on the menu. >> Then 1901 & 1911 Census Extracts >> >> Then pick Ballingarry Parish from Ormond Lower Barony. >> The search engine is not letting me re-index it so you will have to >> search by townland for >> the moment. >> >> >> Christina >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Online Tipperary Census: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. > For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] > >

Hi everyone on the List. I am searching for information on a P. MEAGHER, 35 years old arriving in Baltimore MD in 1822 and a 5 year old J. MEAGHER arriving at the same time. I know they were from Ireland. I think Tipperary is a good place to start. I visited Ireland this past summer and found the following places very eager to help but I don't have enough information yet. I will keep trying in Baltimore until I can locate more information. The Family History Research Centers in Tipperary, Nenagh, and BruBoro; the libraries in Tipperary, Thurles and Nenagh were also helpful. Everyone looked but could not find information on my particular relatives because I just don't have enough. Linda Jenne Westminster, Maryland

Hi All, I was looking for Cappawhite on the Rootsweb page below and didn't see it. So I'm guessing Cappawhite is a parish itself? (My family are the Quinlans of Cappawhite.) Oh--and has anyone heard of Knocknevar? Thanks! On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Christina Hunt wrote: > Have just added some more 1901 census. These townlands were > transcribed by Peggy Quinn. > The new additions are from Ballingarry Parish, Ballingarry D.E.D. > in the Barony of Ormond > Lower. > > TOWNLANDS > _____________ > > Gortinarable > Gurteen > Kilcunnahin Beg > Kilcunnahin More > Knockshigowna > Lisadonna > Lisbryan > Lismacrony > Lisnagower > Quakerstown > Whitehall > > To view these go to the Ireland Genealogy Projects page for County > Tipperary: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Click on Census on the menu. > Then 1901 & 1911 Census Extracts > > Then pick Ballingarry Parish from Ormond Lower Barony. > The search engine is not letting me re-index it so you will have to > search by townland for > the moment. > > > Christina > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm

Have just added some more 1901 census. These townlands were transcribed by Peggy Quinn. The new additions are from Ballingarry Parish, Ballingarry D.E.D. in the Barony of Ormond Lower. TOWNLANDS _____________ Gortinarable Gurteen Kilcunnahin Beg Kilcunnahin More Knockshigowna Lisadonna Lisbryan Lismacrony Lisnagower Quakerstown Whitehall To view these go to the Ireland Genealogy Projects page for County Tipperary: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ Click on Census on the menu. Then 1901 & 1911 Census Extracts Then pick Ballingarry Parish from Ormond Lower Barony. The search engine is not letting me re-index it so you will have to search by townland for the moment. Christina

Not so much, Les. When Christianity was first introduced into Ireland, the church piggy-backed Christianity onto some of the old pagan rituals in order to make it "acceptable", but most gradually died out. I imagine there might have been a hanger on ritual or two through the medieval period.. What is interesting is that the Celi Dei priests were allowed one wife and one child [oh, sure! one child and we believe that] and that persisted right through to modern times. Some things I run across amaze me. The High Crosses were vividly painted like advertising signs. It seems some of the crosses had moving parts to convince the worshippers that a miracle was occuring. Digging into the history of religion in Ireland is fascinating and can put one right off religion. Janet On 1/22/06, les wright <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > I was reading the article from Trinity research & they say that Medieval > Irish were christian but they still used the customs of the pre-christian > times. > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > > > > Hi Les, And in the 1700's and 1800's, the illegitimate children were > given > > the surname of the mother. I can't tell how far back that goes. One may > > just > > think one is a Ryan or a Dwyer. > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/06, les wright <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >> > >> That is right Janet. I am one of the people who find themselves > >> descended > >> from Niall through my McHenry family coming from the O'Cathain clan, > this > >> has been found through DNA & using a number of males & was not done > >> looking > >> for the 'pot of gold'. I have the book "Clans of Ulster" & most of > these > >> names are in this book as being from Niall & names do change around a > bit > >> over time. In Medieval times & prior to this time it is written that > >> illigitimate children were given their fathers name, it was powerful to > >> have > >> children especially males! > >> I have now used DNA on 4 of my male lines & I am finding it a most > >> interesting tool with my research, it certainly keeps me very busy & > can > >> change that paper trail believe you me! > >> Robyn > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:18 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry > >> >> the > >> >> same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs > >> some > >> >> clarification: > >> >> > >> >> "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different > >> >> surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, > >> from > >> > the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about > >> 1000AD > >> > but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. > So > >> in > >> > the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became > >> > O'Flaherty, > >> > and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came > about > >> in > >> > the same line in that way. > >> > > >> > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate > >> > births > >> > over the centuries. > >> > > >> > Janet > >> > > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > >> >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > >> (depending > >> >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This > >> >> means > >> >> the > >> >> time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > >> >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > >> Sydney; > >> >> 12 > >> >> noon (Friday) in Wellington. > >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > >> > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > >> > the original message important to your reply. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> Online Tipperary Census: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >>>Watch those SUBJECT headings! 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That is right Janet. I am one of the people who find themselves descended from Niall through my McHenry family coming from the O'Cathain clan, this has been found through DNA & using a number of males & was not done looking for the 'pot of gold'. I have the book "Clans of Ulster" & most of these names are in this book as being from Niall & names do change around a bit over time. In Medieval times & prior to this time it is written that illigitimate children were given their fathers name, it was powerful to have children especially males! I have now used DNA on 4 of my male lines & I am finding it a most interesting tool with my research, it certainly keeps me very busy & can change that paper trail believe you me! Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > > >> Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry the >> same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs some >> clarification: >> >> "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different >> surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." > > > > In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, from > the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about 1000AD > but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. So in > the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became > O'Flaherty, > and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came about in > the same line in that way. > > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate births > over the centuries. > > Janet > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >> the >> time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; >> 12 >> noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > >

Hi Les, And in the 1700's and 1800's, the illegitimate children were given the surname of the mother. I can't tell how far back that goes. One may just think one is a Ryan or a Dwyer. Janet On 1/22/06, les wright <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > That is right Janet. I am one of the people who find themselves descended > from Niall through my McHenry family coming from the O'Cathain clan, this > has been found through DNA & using a number of males & was not done > looking > for the 'pot of gold'. I have the book "Clans of Ulster" & most of these > names are in this book as being from Niall & names do change around a bit > over time. In Medieval times & prior to this time it is written that > illigitimate children were given their fathers name, it was powerful to > have > children especially males! > I have now used DNA on 4 of my male lines & I am finding it a most > interesting tool with my research, it certainly keeps me very busy & can > change that paper trail believe you me! > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:18 AM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > > > > > > >> Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry the > >> same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs > some > >> clarification: > >> > >> "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different > >> surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." > > > > > > > > In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, > from > > the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about > 1000AD > > but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. So > in > > the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became > > O'Flaherty, > > and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came about > in > > the same line in that way. > > > > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate births > > over the centuries. > > > > Janet > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending > >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > >> the > >> time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; > >> 12 > >> noon (Friday) in Wellington. > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > > the original message important to your reply. > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > >

I was successful in locating the marriage site of my great-grand parents in Tipperary through a search by the Tipperary Family History Research (TFHR) aka Archdiocese of Cashel and Emly. tfhr@tipperary-excel.com TFHR has diocese wide computerized files and successfully searched on the marriage names combination to find the parish. Their prices are relatively reasonable and they are nice people. Also. Our family tree includes the marriage of Mary O'Brien and Michael Costello(e) at Saint Paul's Church in Toronto on November 15, 1838. It is suspected that Mary and Michael may have come to Canada through the Peter Robinson settlement at Peterborough. If you come across a Costello(e) please let me know. Bill Barrett Grand Rapids MI

Hello, I am researching my gg grandmother's Mullins family. Annie Mullins and her husband Edward Albert Wilson were married in Templemore at the CI Parish in March 1864. Her Father is listed as Michael Mullins, School Master. Edward Wilson was stationed at the Templemore barracks and her residence is listed as Templemore also. Has anyone on the list had army family they have tracked from Templemore barracks? Edward Wilson was with the 16th foot, 2nd battallion and I cannot trace where they went from 1866-1870. I would like to know if I would be correct in assuming that Michael Mullins, Annie's father would have been from Templemore also? Are there any business directories that show School Masters from that time period? Does anyone have any ideas how I can locate this family - are their any places on the internet that I can find this family name? Thank-you in advance for your reply. Janis

"Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> wrote : > > > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate births > over the centuries. When it comes to DNA, the major problem is that the results are only a general pointer to the past and cannot be interpreted in any other way. Consistency through the Y-Chromosome or through mitochondrial DNA cannot prove anything other than a genetic connection - it does not prove descent from any named individual, just a common ancestor. As for the postman, milkman, dustman etc., this can certainly distort results regarding the DNA profile of any specific surname; illegitimate births usually carried the surname of the mother rather than the father, thus 'polluting' the pure cross-match between surname and DNA profile. While DNA results can be very helpful in determining whether or not a particular line is a possibility, they cannot prove anything beyond a genetic connection. For most family history, DNA results simply cannot provide anything in the absence of a paper trail that points in the same direction, not least because the DNA of the relevant ancestor simply isn't available for testing. The best we can achieve is to test living descendants who believe they have the same ancestry and this is fraught with the multiplicitous dangers arising from the 'cross-pollination' of surnames as well those inherent in all family groups. From a purely personal perspective, I would only use DNA to try to confirm a suspected line; finding that I am somehow descended from Charlemagne, Henry I, Niall the proliferate or anyone else in that era seems rather irrelevant. There ain't no gold in them thar hills, nor any real family history. John B Leic., Eng

> > Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry the > same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs some > clarification: > > "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different > surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, from the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about 1000AD but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. So in the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became O'Flaherty, and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came about in the same line in that way. But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate births over the centuries. Janet ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the > time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 > noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >

Hi I am searching for information on my husband's great great-grandmother, Ellen Bullens/Bullins who was born Ca1840 in Tipperary, father William Bullens, mother Ellen Scanlan. The family (William 40, Ellen 38, Edward 13, Ellen 12, Patrick 10, Mary 8 and Anora 6) arrived in Brisbane, Australia on 10.8.1852 on board the "Meridan". The passenger list shows the family name as Ballins. Another child Margaret arrived on 26.4.1863 on the "Warren Hastings". She was accompanied by her husband Cornelius Hanley and children John 8, William 5 and Cornelius 2. Thomas Cornelius was born at sea on 22.1.1863. Ellen Bullens/Bullins married Samuel Eaton, a convict who had arrived in Brisbane, Australia on 1.11.1849 on the "Mount Stewart Elphinstone". He was granted a ticket of leave on 11.3.1850. I have been unable to locate a marriage certificate for Samuel and Ellen. On their children's birth certificates they had given different dates for when they married. These range from Oct 1851 to Oct 1855. Ellen died on 10.4.1883 at Charleville, Queensland. Her husband Samuel is the informant on the death certificate and he states that her parents were William Bolands and Ellen Scanlan. On Margaret's death certificate (Ellen's sister) the parents are shown as William Mullins and Ellen Scanlan. The informant is Margaret's second husband John Dineen. Any suggestions on where to start looking for birth records for Ellen and other members of the family would be greatly appreciated. Barb

Niall is said to have had 12 sons!! Not all people with the names mentioned will be related to Niall. My own family relationship has come about through DNA, I was not even looking in that area. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland >I have followed this report with interest. > > Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. > > He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. > > That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. > > One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. > > My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship was by > marriage. > > Not even close. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > > >>I thought this was interesting... >> Scientists discover most fertile Irish male >> DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's >> most fertile male, >> with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. >> >> >> The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many >> as one in twelve >> Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a >> 5th-century warlord who was >> head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. >> His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol >> emperor who >> conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million >> descendants, said Dan >> Bradley, who supervised the research. >> "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told Reuters. >> "We're the first >> generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) >> have more >> children." >> The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the >> Smurfit Institute of >> Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on >> from fathers to >> sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. >> The results - which have been published in the American Journal of Human >> Genetics - showed >> the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where >> one in five males >> had the same Y chromosome. >> Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central >> Asia, where >> scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent >> studies found >> they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. >> "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in >> Ireland and the >> best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. >> His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with >> a contemporary >> list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last >> known relative of >> the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. >> The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the >> original sample, >> proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. >> "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that >> genealogical group >> than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also >> linked to the >> medieval warlord. >> Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, >> Boyle, O'Donnell >> and O'Doherty. >> http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > >

I have Edward "Ned" O'Brien coming from Tipperary to the Peterborough Ontario area by 1856. He had a land grant from "The Crown". I do not know if he was from Tipperary city or just the county in general. He had at least 5 sons - another Edward (my line), William, Jimmy, Jack"Quinn" and Sandy - who came also. I would love to pinpoint the Tipperary location. Edward (the son) was married in 1859 in Douro Twp to Bridget Heffernan; we have no date for his birth or the father. not even sure of the wife's name. Peggy Dempsey Port Huron MI

This is very exciting research, especially for those who possibly have a link to this Irish Warlord as my McHenry family possibly have with their links to O'Kane from Dungiven as I have found through using DNA. I am anxious to see the results & comparing them. I have spoken to Professor Bradley. Think of the benefits of this type of research if it was widely done!! Mind blowing! Regards, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland >I thought this was interesting... > Scientists discover most fertile Irish male > DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's most > fertile male, > with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. > > > The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many > as one in twelve > Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th-century > warlord who was > head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. > His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol > emperor who > conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million > descendants, said Dan > Bradley, who supervised the research. > "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told Reuters. > "We're the first > generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) > have more > children." > The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit > Institute of > Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on > from fathers to > sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. > The results - which have been published in the American Journal of Human > Genetics - showed > the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where one > in five males > had the same Y chromosome. > Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central > Asia, where > scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent > studies found > they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. > "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in > Ireland and the > best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. > His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with a > contemporary > list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last > known relative of > the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. > The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the > original sample, > proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. > "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that > genealogical group > than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also > linked to the > medieval warlord. > Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, > Boyle, O'Donnell > and O'Doherty. > http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > >

The article, while interesting, is somewhat journalistically deceptive. What it purports to quantify is the percentage of males whose direct male ancestors end up being a particular individual. Reason alone dictates that the farther back you go, the fewer common direct male ancestors there are. In fact, depending on how many generations we are talking about, each of us are descended from thousands of different people during that time period, and each of those thousands had millions of descendants. What we are only measuring on the Y chromosome test is the father of the father of the father of the father, etc. Likewise mitichondrial dna only traces the direct female line. Useful for tracing patterns and a limited number of relationships, but you miss an awful lot of relatives along the way. What is socially interesting is that so many people with different surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm. Makes you wonder how many Nialls were milkmen.

It appears that many young ladies were nailed by the Neils. No pun intended! Tom On Jan 21, 2006, at 4:02 AM, IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: #1 Roll Call - Carroll/Cleary ["Murray" <amurra5702@rogers.com>] #2 Re: [TIP] immigrants experience ["julia stillwell" <jstillwell2@cox] #3 DNA - Ireland [Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr] #4 Re: [TIP] immigrants experience ["Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.ne] #5 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.a] #6 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net] #7 Re: [TIP] immigrants experience ["julia stillwell" <jstillwell2@cox] #8 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.a] #9 Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland ["Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net] #10 (TIP) ROLL CALL - BULLENS/BULLINS ["Neil & Barbara Andersen" <neilbar] Administrivia: Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ Liz Murray ______________________________ My ggg Grandfather was John McNamee b. abt 1810 Fermanagh d. 1895 Ohio ggg Grandmother Catharine McCurren b. abt 1835 Ireland d. 1905 Ohio I know this family is not from Tipperary, however, I have found this list enjoyable and full of helpful, knowledgable people. Tipperary family I am searching for: John P. Powers b. 17 Oct. 1829 Carrick on Suir occupation Tanner. d. 1896 Salem, Mass. Julia . > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > ______________________________ The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many as one in twelve Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th- century warlord who was head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol emperor who conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million descendants, said Dan Bradley, who supervised the research. “It’s another link between profligacy and power,” Bradley told Reuters. “We’re the first generation on the planet where if you’re successful you don’t (always) have more children.” The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit Institute of Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on from fathers to sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. The results – which have been published in the American Journal of Human Genetics – showed the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where one in five males had the same Y chromosome. Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central Asia, where scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent studies found they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. “It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in Ireland and the best candidate for it was Niall,” Bradley said. His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with a contemporary list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last known relative of the “Ui Neill” dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the original sample, proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. “The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that genealogical group than any other group we tested,” said Bradley, whose surname is also linked to the medieval warlord. Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, Boyle, O’Donnell and O’Doherty. http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 Chris ______________________________ http://www3.sympatico.ca/juniper2/booklist2.html Take a look! Diane ______________________________ Regards, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > I thought this was interesting... > Scientists discover most fertile Irish male > DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the > country's most > fertile male, > with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. > > > The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that > as many > as one in twelve > Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th- > century > warlord who was > head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. > His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol > emperor who > conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million > descendants, said Dan > Bradley, who supervised the research. > "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told > Reuters. > "We're the first > generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) > have more > children." > The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the > Smurfit > Institute of > Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is > passed on > from fathers to > sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. > The results - which have been published in the American Journal of > Human > Genetics - showed > the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, > where one > in five males > had the same Y chromosome. > Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in > central > Asia, where > scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. > Subsequent > studies found > they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. > "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan > effect in > Ireland and the > best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. > His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them > with a > contemporary > list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the > last > known relative of > the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. > The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those > in the > original sample, > proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. > "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that > genealogical group > than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also > linked to the > medieval warlord. > Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include > Gallagher, > Boyle, O'Donnell > and O'Doherty. > http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? > ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > ______________________________ Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship was by marriage. Not even close. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > I thought this was interesting... > Scientists discover most fertile Irish male > DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the > country's most > fertile male, > with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. > > > The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that > as many > as one in twelve > Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th- > century > warlord who was > head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. > His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol > emperor who > conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million > descendants, said Dan > Bradley, who supervised the research. > "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told > Reuters. > "We're the first > generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) > have more > children." > The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the > Smurfit > Institute of > Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is > passed on > from fathers to > sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. > The results - which have been published in the American Journal of > Human > Genetics - showed > the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, > where one > in five males > had the same Y chromosome. > Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in > central > Asia, where > scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. > Subsequent > studies found > they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. > "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan > effect in > Ireland and the > best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. > His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them > with a > contemporary > list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the > last > known relative of > the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. > The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those > in the > original sample, > proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. > "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that > genealogical group > than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also > linked to the > medieval warlord. > Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include > Gallagher, > Boyle, O'Donnell > and O'Doherty. > http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? > ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > > ______________________________ Julia McNamee-Stillwell Researching: McNamee, McCurren (Fermanagh); Powers, Cavanaugh ( Tipperary); Gearon ( Cork) ;McCabe, Quinn, O'Melia, Curran, Moylan (your guess is as good as mine); Boyle( Donegal) ;Hanagan ( Kildare); Henry (Sligo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] immigrants experience > There are several books by Carol Bennett who writes about the Irish > that > settled the > Ottawa Valley in Canada. While some of the information is specific to > that particular > group, a lot of her books set the stage for what was happening in > Ireland > and the > nightmare of the voyage to North America and trying to settle a new > land. > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/juniper2/booklist2.html > > Take a look! Diane > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > ______________________________ From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > I have followed this report with interest. > > Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. > > He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. > > That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. > > One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. > > My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship > was by > marriage. > > Not even close. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM > Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > > >> I thought this was interesting... >> Scientists discover most fertile Irish male >> DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's >> most fertile male, >> with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. >> >> >> The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that >> as many >> as one in twelve >> Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a >> 5th-century warlord who was >> head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. >> His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the >> Mongol >> emperor who >> conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million >> descendants, said Dan >> Bradley, who supervised the research. >> "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told >> Reuters. >> "We're the first >> generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't >> (always) >> have more >> children." >> The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the >> Smurfit Institute of >> Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is >> passed on >> from fathers to >> sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. >> The results - which have been published in the American Journal of >> Human >> Genetics - showed >> the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, >> where >> one in five males >> had the same Y chromosome. >> Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in >> central >> Asia, where >> scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. >> Subsequent >> studies found >> they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis >> Khan. >> "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan >> effect in >> Ireland and the >> best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. >> His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided >> them with >> a contemporary >> list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the >> last >> known relative of >> the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. >> The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those >> in the >> original sample, >> proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. >> "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that >> genealogical group >> than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also >> linked to the >> medieval warlord. >> Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include >> Gallagher, >> Boyle, O'Donnell >> and O'Doherty. >> http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? >> ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of > the original message important to your reply. > > ______________________________ From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > Niall is said to have had 12 sons!! Not all people with the names > mentioned will be related to Niall. My own family relationship has > come > about through DNA, I was not even looking in that area. > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > > >> I have followed this report with interest. >> >> Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. >> >> He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. >> >> That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. >> >> One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. >> >> My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that >> relationship was >> by marriage. >> >> Not even close. >> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM >> Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland >> >> >>> I thought this was interesting... >>> Scientists discover most fertile Irish male >>> DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the >>> country's >>> most fertile male, >>> with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. >>> >>> >>> The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as >>> many as one in twelve >>> Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a >>> 5th-century warlord who was >>> head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. >>> His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the >>> Mongol >>> emperor who >>> conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million >>> descendants, said Dan >>> Bradley, who supervised the research. >>> "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told >>> Reuters. >>> "We're the first >>> generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't >>> (always) >>> have more >>> children." >>> The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the >>> Smurfit Institute of >>> Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is >>> passed on >>> from fathers to >>> sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. >>> The results - which have been published in the American Journal >>> of Human >>> Genetics - showed >>> the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, >>> where >>> one in five males >>> had the same Y chromosome. >>> Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in >>> central >>> Asia, where >>> scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. >>> Subsequent >>> studies found >>> they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis >>> Khan. >>> "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan >>> effect in >>> Ireland and the >>> best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. >>> His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided >>> them with >>> a contemporary >>> list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to >>> the last >>> known relative of >>> the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. >>> The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those >>> in the >>> original sample, >>> proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. >>> "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in >>> that >>> genealogical group >>> than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also >>> linked to the >>> medieval warlord. >>> Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include >>> Gallagher, >>> Boyle, O'Donnell >>> and O'Doherty. >>> http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp? >>> ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 >>> >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> the original message important to your reply. >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This > means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; > 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > ______________________________ Hi I am searching for information on my husband's great great-grandmother, Ellen Bullens/Bullins who was born Ca1840 in Tipperary, father William Bullens, mother Ellen Scanlan. The family (William 40, Ellen 38, Edward 13, Ellen 12, Patrick 10, Mary 8 and Anora 6) arrived in Brisbane, Australia on 10.8.1852 on board the "Meridan". The passenger list shows the family name as Ballins. Another child Margaret arrived on 26.4.1863 on the "Warren Hastings". She was accompanied by her husband Cornelius Hanley and children John 8, William 5 and Cornelius 2. Thomas Cornelius was born at sea on 22.1.1863. Ellen Bullens/Bullins married Samuel Eaton, a convict who had arrived in Brisbane, Australia on 1.11.1849 on the "Mount Stewart Elphinstone". He was granted a ticket of leave on 11.3.1850. I have been unable to locate a marriage certificate for Samuel and Ellen. On their children's birth certificates they had given different dates for when they married. These range from Oct 1851 to Oct 1855. Ellen died on 10.4.1883 at Charleville, Queensland. Her husband Samuel is the informant on the death certificate and he states that her parents were William Bolands and Ellen Scanlan. On Margaret's death certificate (Ellen's sister) the parents are shown as William Mullins and Ellen Scanlan. The informant is Margaret's second husband John Dineen. Any suggestions on where to start looking for birth records for Ellen and other members of the family would be greatly appreciated. Barb

Diane, Thank you so much!!! I can't wait to check it out. I need to communicate to my parents, aunts, uncles, cousins and second/third..cousins the life that they led inorder for us to all be here in the States. Probably most of them won't get it but maybe I will have a few who's interest it will spark... The sad part of it is my father is the last McNamee to live in Xenia, OH; where my McNamee's immigrated over 150 years ago - it when he is gone it will be the end of 150 years of McNamee's in a small midwestern town. Julia McNamee-Stillwell Researching: McNamee, McCurren (Fermanagh); Powers, Cavanaugh ( Tipperary); Gearon ( Cork) ;McCabe, Quinn, O'Melia, Curran, Moylan (your guess is as good as mine); Boyle( Donegal) ;Hanagan ( Kildare); Henry (Sligo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] immigrants experience > There are several books by Carol Bennett who writes about the Irish that > settled the > Ottawa Valley in Canada. While some of the information is specific to > that particular > group, a lot of her books set the stage for what was happening in Ireland > and the > nightmare of the voyage to North America and trying to settle a new land. > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/juniper2/booklist2.html > > Take a look! Diane > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >

Right you are. Looks like I dissed the wrong ancestor.<GRIN> Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > Niall is said to have had 12 sons!! Not all people with the names > mentioned will be related to Niall. My own family relationship has come > about through DNA, I was not even looking in that area. > Robyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA - Ireland > > >>I have followed this report with interest. >> >> Too bad that Niall himself, according to history, was childless. >> >> He did however have 11 brothers and dozens of cousins. >> >> That record in reality would have to go to Niall's ancestors. >> >> One never knows for sure what they can believe in can they. >> >> My only relative in that bunch was O'Donnell, and that relationship was >> by marriage. >> >> Not even close. >> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:45 AM >> Subject: [TIP] DNA - Ireland >> >> >>>I thought this was interesting... >>> Scientists discover most fertile Irish male >>> DUBLIN (Reuters) - Scientists in Ireland may have found the country's >>> most fertile male, >>> with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. >>> >>> >>> The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as >>> many as one in twelve >>> Irishmen could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a >>> 5th-century warlord who was >>> head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. >>> His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as Genghis Khan, the Mongol >>> emperor who >>> conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million >>> descendants, said Dan >>> Bradley, who supervised the research. >>> "It's another link between profligacy and power," Bradley told Reuters. >>> "We're the first >>> generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't (always) >>> have more >>> children." >>> The research was carried out by Ph.D. student Laoise Moore, at the >>> Smurfit Institute of >>> Genetics at Trinity. Moore, testing the Y chromosome which is passed on >>> from fathers to >>> sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. >>> The results - which have been published in the American Journal of Human >>> Genetics - showed >>> the highest concentration of related males in northwest Ireland, where >>> one in five males >>> had the same Y chromosome. >>> Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in central >>> Asia, where >>> scientists found 8 percent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent >>> studies found >>> they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty linked to Genghis Khan. >>> "It made us wonder if there could be some sort of Genghis Khan effect in >>> Ireland and the >>> best candidate for it was Niall," Bradley said. >>> His team then consulted with genealogical experts who provided them with >>> a contemporary >>> list of people with surnames that are genealogically linked to the last >>> known relative of >>> the "Ui Neill" dynasty, which literally means descendants of Niall. >>> The results showed the new group had the same chromosome as those in the >>> original sample, >>> proving a link between them and the Niall descendents. >>> "The frequency (of the Y chromosome) was significantly higher in that >>> genealogical group >>> than any other group we tested," said Bradley, whose surname is also >>> linked to the >>> medieval warlord. >>> Other modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, >>> Boyle, O'Donnell >>> and O'Doherty. >>> http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?ArticleId=218242&CategoryId=13003 >>> >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >>> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> the original message important to your reply. >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >

There are several books by Carol Bennett who writes about the Irish that settled the Ottawa Valley in Canada. While some of the information is specific to that particular group, a lot of her books set the stage for what was happening in Ireland and the nightmare of the voyage to North America and trying to settle a new land. http://www3.sympatico.ca/juniper2/booklist2.html Take a look! Diane