It's Thursday and a little after 2 o'clock in the afternoon Pacific Standard Time and the Ireland Chat Room is now in session! go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2 and scroll down to Chat Room Jerry Dwyer chat room moderator

Sorry - haven't been able to submit my info since the roll-call was announced until today. Looking for any information on HANLONS and ENGLANDS in and around Roscrea - 1700s to present day. HANLONS and ENGLANDS were C of I and many were baptised in St. Cronan's C of I in Roscrea. Mary Anne

Hi all Researching Tipperary families: Nicholas Laffin and Catherine Connell arrived Melbourne 1850. Maybe from Clonboo. Matthew Boland and Mary Byrnes. Mary and children arrived Melbourne 1864. Possibly from Nenagh, that is what the property in Victoria is called. Cheers, Marion

Hello I'm also interested in the CUMMINGS surname. Do you know if any of your CUMMINGS line were in the army? If so we might have a link. Jennifer >I am trying to trace two lines. > >The first is Rhody Hogan and Alice Cummings who came to NY from Tipperary >(the Hogans were from Borrisokane). >Rhody's parents were James Hogan and Ann Carroll. >Alice's parents were John Cummings and Catherine Dwyer. >John Cummings’ parents were Thomas Cummings and Alice Whalen >Catherine Dwyer’s parents were Michael Dwyer and Johanna Cummings >

Jennifer, The only information that I have on the Cummings is that Alice emigrated to NY in 1851. Her brother, Thomas, also emigrated to NY and was a witness at her marriage to Rhody Hogan on November 13, 1852 on Staten Island. The other witness was Margaret Dwyer who is thought to have been her cousin. One family document lists Alice's place of birth as "Aramale, Tipperary, Ireland" but I haven't been able to find any more details. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Bantow [mailto:jennifer.bantow@ncable.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:23 PM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TIP] Cummings Hello I'm also interested in the CUMMINGS surname. Do you know if any of your CUMMINGS line were in the army? If so we might have a link. Jennifer >I am trying to trace two lines. > >The first is Rhody Hogan and Alice Cummings who came to NY from Tipperary >(the Hogans were from Borrisokane). >Rhody's parents were James Hogan and Ann Carroll. >Alice's parents were John Cummings and Catherine Dwyer. >John Cummings’ parents were Thomas Cummings and Alice Whalen >Catherine Dwyer’s parents were Michael Dwyer and Johanna Cummings > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ Contact the Listowner at: mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com

I am a member of the Tipperary Genealogy List Group researching Katherine Quinlan. I thought you might have information on Quinlans. My Katherine Quinlan and Cornelius Keane had a child, John Keane, baptized at Abbeydorney, County Kerry, about 1837. There is another child, Timothy, baptized at Lixnaw, County Kerry, about 1841. I am interested in the parents and family of Katherine Quinlan. This couple had another child, Johanna, who was born in 1843. Neither of the above parishes have a record of Johanna's baptism or of the marriage of Cornelius and Katherine. I was thinking that maybe Katherine was from County Tipperary; perhaps they were married in County Tipperary, and returned there for the birth of Johanna. Katherine supposedly died when the children were young and maybe did not immigrant to the US. There are a Maurice and Jeremiah Quinlan buried in the Catholic Cemetery in my area. I am glad to exchange information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sherry

On 1/23/06, Jill Gale <jillpgale@hotmail.com> wrote: > > It has always been known in the family that my ggrandmother Margaret > Hannagan b1841 came from Co Clare. The 1901 census confirms this but the > 1891 census says she was from Caher, County Tipperary. Does anyone know if > there is a Caher in Co Clare as well as Co Tipperary? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jill Yes, In Tulla Lower, civil parish of Ogonnelloe, PLU Scariff. Also Caher (Power) in Tulla Upper, Feakle, Scariff; Caher (Rice) in Tulla Upper, Feakle, Scariff There are many, many names that are combined with Caher where the people native to the place might have shortened it to just Caher. Janet

It has always been known in the family that my ggrandmother Margaret Hannagan b1841 came from Co Clare. The 1901 census confirms this but the 1891 census says she was from Caher, County Tipperary. Does anyone know if there is a Caher in Co Clare as well as Co Tipperary? Thanks in advance, Jill >From: IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #23 >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:00:25 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 23 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Question on Killaloe [elizabethharen@aol.com] > #2 Re: [TIP] Question on Killaloe [Janet Crawford ><reojan@gmail.com>] > #3 Templemore and Kiltillane [Gary Barnes ><familyresearcher77@ya] > #4 Chat Room Reminder ["Jerry Dwyer" ><gjdwyer39@comcast.n] > #5 Roll Call- CARROLL, NEVILLE, CAREY [Ccsherer@aol.com] > #6 Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - MULLANY / O' [PeteScherm@aol.com] > #7 Doyle and Flynn in Clogheen [Pat Kalas <patkalas@yahoo.com>] > #8 Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - MULLANY / O' ["bob ryan" <ryanblack@cox.net>] > #9 Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - REILLY / HEN ["kaye vernon" ><kjvernon@bigpond.ne] > #10 Re: [TIP] Roll Call- CARROLL, NEVI ["JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net>] > #11 Tipperary to Australia 1828 - 1866 [<obrien@wickedwebs.com.au>] > >Administrivia: >Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! > >To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to >IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:20:27 -0500 >From: elizabethharen@aol.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <8C7EB3C28804517-9D0-40A2@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> >Subject: Question on Killaloe >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >If a Tipperary ancestor was born in the Killaloe Parish, which heritage >center would have those records? > >Thanks in advance! > >Liz > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:57:30 +0000 >From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <35bbfc2c0601191157h21ebf1b0g38b3c3dc5935c0cf@mail.gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [TIP] Question on Killaloe >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Liz, Limerick would have them but as far as I know Limerick is still >closed. > >Janet > > > > >On 1/19/06, elizabethharen@aol.com <elizabethharen@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > If a Tipperary ancestor was born in the Killaloe Parish, which heritage > > center would have those records? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Liz > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >(depending > > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means >the > > time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in >Sydney; 12 > > noon (Friday) in Wellington. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:04:17 -0800 (PST) >From: Gary Barnes <familyresearcher77@yahoo.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <20060119220417.9357.qmail@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Subject: Templemore and Kiltillane >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Im looking for any information on these towns ( >Templemore and Kiltillane) in the parish of Emly. I >would like to find some pictures and databases of >cemeteries in both places and alo pictures of homes on >1) Carroll Lane 2) Church St 3) Abby St in Kiltillane. > I have been to the usual resources and web sites and >teher isnt much ther but links to other sites telling >me to contact the county history centers which dont >have what I need. > >Second Im looking for places to stay in both towns and >info on how long it takes to get from Dublin on the >train to Templemore and when they run. I have the web >sites for them but need actual experience to keep me >up to date. > >THX > >Gary > > >Researching Carrolls and Treacys in County Tip. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #4 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:06:23 -0800 >From: "Jerry Dwyer" <gjdwyer39@comcast.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000c01c61d44$965d0ce0$0d01a8c0@JerryGateway> >Subject: Chat Room Reminder >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >It's 2pm PST on Thursday January 19th and The IRL-TIP Chat Room is now in >session! > >Jerry Dwyer >chat room moderator > >______________________________ >X-Message: #5 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:54:53 EST >From: Ccsherer@aol.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <248.57d1731.310180cd@aol.com> >Subject: Roll Call- CARROLL, NEVILLE, CAREY, NAGLE, KEOGH, fITZGERALD >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Searching for info. on siblings of Anthony CARROLL of Powerstown, near >Clonmel and also the townland in which they lived.. Parents were Patrick >CARROLL >and Alice NEVILLE who were farmers in Powerstown. They had 11 children >born >between >1815 and 1835, all baptized in the St. John the Baptist Catholic Church of >Powerstown. >Children: Sponsors: >JOHN b. 1815 Denis CARROLL & Hanna DUNN died as a child >MARY b. 1817 Mike NEVILLE & Bridget CORMUCK married ? >PATRCIK b. 1819 Andrew SHEA &Ellen KENNEDY ? >ANTHONY b.1821 Thomas KENNEDY & Bridget CASEY emigrated to WI. USA >PHILIP b. 1823 Nicholas KENEDY & Mary PRENDERGAST " >DENIS b. 1825 Patrick NEVILLE & Mary QUINN > " >MICHAEL b.1826 Patrick KEANE & Bridget WALL >" >JOHN b. 1829 William KENEDY & Catherine QUINN > " >ANN b. 1831 John CARROLL & Mary KEANE > ? >RICHARD b.1833 Edmund KENEDY &Lana FITZGERALD ? >JAMES b 1835 Walter & Mary CANTWELL > ? > >All the children that emmigrated to US in mid 1800s settled in Wi. in >Green >Co. , so I am assuming the others never emmigrated since I could not find >them in the area . John CARROLLmarried Ellen BATES in BALLYCLERIHAN and >had 5 >children baptized there. > >ANTHONY married BRIDGET CAREY b. 1827 to WILLIAM & CATHERINE NAGLE of Co. >Tipperary, in Milwaukee Wi. Searching for info on this family. Another >daughter > ALICE CAREY married Philip NEVILLE also of WI. Also a possible daughter >Mary CAREY that married a KEOGH of WI. Anything sound familiar? Thanks >Carol > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:33:29 EST >From: PeteScherm@aol.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <2e0.d825cf.310197e9@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - MULLANY / O'DONNELL / HINES/ POWER / >MEAGHER / KENNEDY >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Jim at jhmullany@yahoo.com writes: > ><< Any good leads on interesting places to stay for a week or two in the >Cahir, Co. Tipperary, area would be greatly appreciated, as well as >anyone's >favorite Cahir-area places to see. >> > >Jim, > >The only time I've stayed in Caher (that's how the Ordnance Survey spells >it, >and I'm going with them) was at the Wishing Well B&B, on the west side of >town, on the N 24. That was in 1998 and I enjoyed the stay and have >recommended >it to others. But the website is no longer active, however a Google search >of > > Wishing Well B&B Cahir < will give you some hits. I noticed at >least >one of them gave a fax and phone number. But I don't know if it's alive >and >well <gr> or not. It was owned by Liam Simpson. > >Regarding things to see. If you are a fan of Early Christian or early >Medieval sites, you have Toureen Peakaun, with its 12th century Romanesque >church >and a number of earlier (8th, 9th century) cross-slabs and crosses, about 3 >miles NW of Caher town. About 3 more miles west, in the lovely Glen of >Aherlow, >is St. Berrihert's Kyle, a small enclosure with over 50 early >cross-slabs/gravestones. > >About 7 miles NNW of Caher town, just a mile or so south of Golden, is the >huge (and magnificent) early 13th century Augustinian priory of Athassel - >along >the banks of the River Suir. I've been there only twice, and there was no >one around either time. From there, it's a short trip up to the "Must See" >Rock >of Cashel. > >I'll stop here, as I'm not sure if your interests would include any of >these >places. But I know, I plan on re-visiting all of the above sites this >coming >May, on my "Mostly Munster" tour. If you'd like more information on the >above >places, drop me a line. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > >______________________________ >X-Message: #7 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:43:52 -0800 (PST) >From: Pat Kalas <patkalas@yahoo.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <20060120014352.44846.qmail@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Subject: Doyle and Flynn in Clogheen >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Looking for info about Thomas and Catherine (Flynn) Doyle, married at St. >Mary's in Clogheen in 1878. Their son Kieran was born in 1880 or '81. He >was left in Clogheen (with Doyle grandparents, we think) when his parents >emigrated to Columbus, Ohio, in the early 1880s. Kieran came to Chicago, >Illinois, in 1899. > > Thanks, > Pat > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #8 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:08:30 -0500 >From: "bob ryan" <ryanblack@cox.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <003601c61d66$6943d280$081b0e44@ibmlhjigdzm4db> >Subject: Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - MULLANY / O'DONNELL / HINES/ POWER / MEAGHER >/ KENNEDY >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Jim & Pete >If your interested, when and if you do go to Cashel a must see is the >interior of the Catholic Church. About 2 yrs. ago they finished a >refurbishing it to original condition. It's a remarkable work of art. I've >been there many times. An excellent B & B, Rockville House, is just below >the Rock Of Cashel run by Pat & Anna Hayes. >Bob Ryan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <PeteScherm@aol.com> >To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:33 PM >Subject: Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - MULLANY / O'DONNELL / HINES/ POWER / MEAGHER >/ KENNEDY > > > > Jim at jhmullany@yahoo.com writes: > > > > << Any good leads on interesting places to stay for a week or two in >the > > Cahir, Co. Tipperary, area would be greatly appreciated, as well as > > anyone's > > favorite Cahir-area places to see. >> > > > > Jim, > > > > The only time I've stayed in Caher (that's how the Ordnance Survey >spells > > it, > > and I'm going with them) was at the Wishing Well B&B, on the west side >of > > town, on the N 24. That was in 1998 and I enjoyed the stay and have > > recommended > > it to others. But the website is no longer active, however a Google > > search of > >> Wishing Well B&B Cahir < will give you some hits. I noticed at > >> least > > one of them gave a fax and phone number. But I don't know if it's alive > > and > > well <gr> or not. It was owned by Liam Simpson. > > > > Regarding things to see. If you are a fan of Early Christian or early > > Medieval sites, you have Toureen Peakaun, with its 12th century >Romanesque > > church > > and a number of earlier (8th, 9th century) cross-slabs and crosses, >about > > 3 > > miles NW of Caher town. About 3 more miles west, in the lovely Glen of > > Aherlow, > > is St. Berrihert's Kyle, a small enclosure with over 50 early > > cross-slabs/gravestones. > > > > About 7 miles NNW of Caher town, just a mile or so south of Golden, is >the > > huge (and magnificent) early 13th century Augustinian priory of Athassel >- > > along > > the banks of the River Suir. I've been there only twice, and there was >no > > one around either time. From there, it's a short trip up to the "Must > > See" Rock > > of Cashel. > > > > I'll stop here, as I'm not sure if your interests would include any of > > these > > places. But I know, I plan on re-visiting all of the above sites this > > coming > > May, on my "Mostly Munster" tour. If you'd like more information on the > > above > > places, drop me a line. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >- > > - > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > > Massachusetts > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > > > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #9 >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:14:09 +1100 >From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <023601c61d67$32e54100$6500a8c0@KAYEDESKTOP> >Subject: Re: [TIP] ROLL CALL - REILLY / HENDERSON / DUNBAR >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I am searching for the Reilly / Henderson / Dunbar family from Clounoulty >Tipperary in the early 1800s. >I have Edmund Reilly and Mary Dunbar Henderson , early 1800s but have not >found anything prior to that. >Hope someone out there can help >Kaye > > >www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm > >______________________________ >X-Message: #10 >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:27:59 -0500 >From: "JFW" <jowyn@adelphia.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <009401c61d71$8342f070$1f4ee844@judithwy> >Subject: Re: [TIP] Roll Call- CARROLL, NEVILLE, CAREY, NAGLE, KEOGH, >fITZGERALD >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello, Carol: >I realize you say that all the Carroll children who emigrated settled in >Wisconsin, but I can't help writing anyway. My gggrandfather was John >Carroll (born around 1830) and his parents were John Carroll and Mary >Quinn. >But my John settled in Springfield, MA. He married Rachel MacLean there. > >I noticed all the Quinn sponsors in your post. Maybe there was another >family of Carrolls, Patrick's siblings, perhaps. Do you know anything about >your Anthony's father---about Patrick's siblings? I'd love to find out >where >my Carrolls are from. > >I know it's a long shot, but then with some of my families all shots are >long! > >Cheers, >Jude > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Ccsherer@aol.com> >To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:54 PM >Subject: [TIP] Roll Call- CARROLL, NEVILLE, CAREY, NAGLE, KEOGH, fITZGERALD > > > > Searching for info. on siblings of Anthony CARROLL of Powerstown, near > > Clonmel and also the townland in which they lived.. Parents were >Patrick >CARROLL > > and Alice NEVILLE who were farmers in Powerstown. > > Children: Sponsors: > > JOHN b. 1815 Denis CARROLL & Hanna DUNN died as a >child > > MARY b. 1817 Mike NEVILLE & Bridget CORMUCK married ? > > PATRCIK b. 1819 Andrew SHEA &Ellen KENNEDY ? > > ANTHONY b.1821 Thomas KENNEDY & Bridget CASEY emigrated to WI. >USA > > PHILIP b. 1823 Nicholas KENEDY & Mary PRENDERGAST " > > DENIS b. 1825 Patrick NEVILLE & Mary QUINN > > " > > MICHAEL b.1826 Patrick KEANE & Bridget WALL > > " > > JOHN b. 1829 William KENEDY & Catherine QUINN > > All the children that emmigrated to US in mid 1800s settled in Wi. in >Green > > Co. , so I am assuming the others never emmigrated since I could not >find > > them in the area . John CARROLLmarried Ellen BATES in BALLYCLERIHAN and >had 5 > > children baptized there. > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #11 >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:55:59 +0930 >From: <obrien@wickedwebs.com.au> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <07a101c61d79$a1d866c0$f56d8690@hppav> >Subject: Tipperary to Australia 1828 - 1866 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > >Hi All > >I thought I would post this website this to the list: Tipperary Emigrants >1828 -1866 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maddenps/TIPPEM1.htm > >It may be useful to anyone looking for information on relatives who >emigrated to Australia from Tipperary. > >Thanks >Michele >Darwin Australia _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

I submit the following, in hopes someone will connect with the names given. (Area) - Newtown, - Margaret Dwyer married to ________Hogan. Daughter: Catherine Mary Hogan married her neighbor, Michael Conway. They were young when they married and had a large family. Most of the children came to USA, Son - Michael Conway remained at home in Ireland and married - Bridget Ryan who came from the Templederry area. They had three children - Catherine Mary C onway, born 1890, a son, Patrick, born abt. 1892 and another son, Michael born abt. 1895. Bridget Ryan's mother's name was Mary Conway (dif. Conway family) She married _____________Ryan from Templederry. Bridget had a brother named David and a sister named Ellen and also a sister that had entered the convent. Maybe someone can connect to these facts. I am sorry I do not know more. I am not familiar to the place names in Ireland so it is difficult for me to research. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sally ( Illinois )

I am trying to trace two lines. The first is Rhody Hogan and Alice Cummings who came to NY from Tipperary (the Hogans were from Borrisokane). Rhody's parents were James Hogan and Ann Carroll. Alice's parents were John Cummings and Catherine Dwyer. John Cummings’ parents were Thomas Cummings and Alice Whalen Catherine Dwyer’s parents were Michael Dwyer and Johanna Cummings The second line is that of Patrick and Catherine Kennedy James Hogan m. Ann Carroll. They had at least eight children: Bridget Margaret John Daniel William Anna abt. 1821 Mary abt. 1824 Rhody 1825 John Cummings m.Catherine Dwyer Alice 1834 Thomas Michael J. John Mary abt. 1836 Rhody Hogan m. Alice Cummings (b. 1834) Married on Staten Island, NY in 1852; eight children born on Staten Island: James 1853 Katherine 1855 Anne 1857 John E. 1860 Patrick 1862 Alice 1865 Rodger 1867 Thomas 1870 Patrick Kennedy b. 1835 m. Catherine (nee?) b. 1841 Maggie (1857 Ireland) Elizabeth (1858 Ireland) Bridget (1859 Ireland) James (1860 Manchester, Eng.) John Patrick (1862 Manchester, Eng.) Catherine (1864 Manchester, Eng.) William (1866 Manchester, Eng) Maria (1875 Staten Island, New York) George (?)

Alice Dwyer's birthdate should read 1795 rather than 1875. Ellen <glindagood56@yahoo.com> wrote: I have Alice Dwyer daughter of Andrew Dwyer and his wife Ann born about 1875 Alice married Cornelius Ryan, children: Andrew, Anna, Mary, Ellen, Sara and Cornelius Jr. all born Tipperary I believe in Terryglass Parish, all came to the USA about 1850's to upstate NY (Palmyra, Manchester) Anna Ryan married James White in Palmyra, NY. His parents were Margaret Keyes and James White. I also have a John Keyes who lived in Manchester NY and was in the Civil War, alias given as John McKees, which sounds like a story in itself. He is realted to the Whites somehow, but I don't know exactly, most likely thru James' mother Margaret Keyes. Darby Hogan also lived in Palmyra next door to some Ryans and they are buried in his family cemetery plot but I have't found the link yet. Thanks, Ellie --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== IGP County Tipperary Message Board: http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.

I have Alice Dwyer daughter of Andrew Dwyer and his wife Ann born about 1875 Alice married Cornelius Ryan, children: Andrew, Anna, Mary, Ellen, Sara and Cornelius Jr. all born Tipperary I believe in Terryglass Parish, all came to the USA about 1850's to upstate NY (Palmyra, Manchester) Anna Ryan married James White in Palmyra, NY. His parents were Margaret Keyes and James White. I also have a John Keyes who lived in Manchester NY and was in the Civil War, alias given as John McKees, which sounds like a story in itself. He is realted to the Whites somehow, but I don't know exactly, most likely thru James' mother Margaret Keyes. Darby Hogan also lived in Palmyra next door to some Ryans and they are buried in his family cemetery plot but I have't found the link yet. Thanks, Ellie --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos

Irish Assizes. 1-8-1826. Clonmel July the 25th. Mary Cassidy pleaded guilty to a theft, which she said she committed with the hope of being transported to Botany Bay, and of joining her husband whom that fate was assigned last year. "Oh my Lord" said she "I will submit, I am guilty", if you let me bring my poor children to my husband. I have two poor creatures, my Lord, and we want to follow their father. It was for that we stole. We have neither a bit nor a sup. Nor can we get it from out kith and kin. Send us to my husband, My Lord, or if you do not, I will submit to your gracious mercy in any way. M. Fitzgerald was indicted for stealing a cloak. Mary Bowler swore that she saw the prisoner leaving her house with the cloak hanging under his arm. On being pressed to identify him, she exclaimed: "O Hone", I am 30 years in Clonmel in a dealing way, and was never brought to this place afore, and tis myself that am sorry that I have the bad luck. Oh I wisha. Might the man have taken it by mistake. Oh I wisha he might. Did you ever take a cloak yourself by mistake. Oh wisha I did. Chief Baron-Did you ever take a pair of breeches by mistake-my good woman?. -Oh Wisha, lifting up her hands in astonishment at the question. Did you run after the thief- run, indeed, it was my linen. Verdict-Guilty. Mary

State of the Country. 7-3-1839 To the Editor of the Nenagh Guardian. Borrisokane May 2nd.1839. Sir,- in consequence of an article which appeared in the Dublin Evening Post of the 30th. April boasting of the lack of outrage in the Northern part of Tipperary, I beg you will give insertion to the following.: Taking of Fire arms by day Four men entered the house of a man named Lyons, at Terryglass, at noon-day, and having searched the house for fire-arms, they found only a loaded fowling piece, which as of a matter of course, they took possession of. Men armed with faces blackened. In the same neighbourhood, five or six armed men, with their faces blackened, entered the house of a man named Corcoran, and searched it for fire-arms and money. Assault and tendering an illegal oath. The house of Andrew Harty of Kilbarron, was broken into by a party of men, and after beating him unmercifully, they put him on his knees, and swore him to give up the land held from Lord Moss. A similar outrage. A large party of armed men broke into the house of William Hogan of Moderreny and swore him to give up what land he held. Incendiarism. On the night of the 24th,. Of April, there was a house maliciously burned at Ballingarry. Serious assault. A man named Kelly was waylaid and pelted with stones, in the Parish of Lorrha, that most tranquil part of all "North Munster". Threatening Notice. In the middle of noon-day, and in his own garden, at Ardcroney, Walter Hacket was served a notice by a party of armed men. On their departure they fired some warning shots. Tendering illegal oaths. A few days after the above occurance, a number of armed men visited the same person, while in his own house, and putting him on his knees swore him not to work on some disputed land. Precursor Leglisation. The house of the caretaker of Kilerue- wood, was entered a few days ago, by four armed men, who made no secret of their murderous intentions, Fortunately for the man he was not in the way at the time. They departed vowing vengeance Against him if he did not quit the place entirely. Discharge of Fire-arms and Threatening notices. On the night of the 30th, the house of John Gleeson, better known by the name of "Jack Andrew", was attacked by a armed party. Not being able to effect an entrance, they fired two shots and posted a threatening notice. The substance of the notice was, that unless he gave up the land he held from Colonel Maberly?, He might prepare his coffin. Assault. John Gleeson alias "White Tom", from Curraghneddy, and two men of the name of Hayden, were waylaid at Dolla, and beaten with stones on Wed. last, as they were on their way home from the fair at Silvermines. Gleeson and one of the Haydens received severe fractures, the other of them had four teeth knocked out. His mouth smashed and his face dreadfully lacerated. Waylaid and Assault. A man named Michael Brien was on his way home from the last Petit sessions in Kilmore, he was overtaken by a man who collared him, drew a stone from his pocket and beat him with it. Another man named Baynan joined in the attack, and belaboured Brien most unmercifully, with a cudgel. Brien having disengaged himself from his attackers, ran for his life, they followed him, but being unable to overtake him, one of them hurled a stone at him which tumbled him into a pool of water. The result would have been fatal to his life, had not some people been coming in the opposite direction at the time. Assault and Rescue. At the market of this town (Borrisokane) on Thursday, a man named Condron seized on three pigs, belonging to another man named Kenna, under the virtue of a civil bill decree. Kenna rescued the pigs from Condron, knocked him down, and leaped on him while down, not satisfied with this brutality, he drew a claspknife, and swore he would run him through, if he ever came near him again. Condron was raised from the ground all covered with blood. Serious Assault. Morgan Kennedy of Castle Otway, was waylaid by a party of men to the number of a dozen and inhumanly beaten. Waylaid and assault. A man named William Star? was waylaid and beaten on his way home to Portroe, ftom Borrisokane on the 18th. He received three serious wounds to the head. Outrage by an armed Party. On the night of Tuesday last, a party of armed men, with their faces blackened, and were headed by a man dressed in women's attire, broke into and plundered the house of John Kennedy, of Templederry, On retiring from the scene of outrage, they smashed the windows. John Kennedy on Wed. lodged information against a man by the name of Bryan Kennedy, as the man who headed the gang in the dress of a woman. The accused on hearing the charge gave himself up to the authorities here and was admitted to bail?, on giving security of 200 shillings and two others of 100 shillings each. (Not sure if its shillings or pence as the writing is very hard to read. Mary). Threatening Notices. On last wed. an incursion was made on the lands of Ballymackey by a fellow called John Hassett and his party, for the purpose of taking possession and tilling a farm, claimed by another man named Michael Hassett. The latter having remonstrated with the invader, a pistol was cocked at his head, and he was told that if he didn't quit the land in a moment his brains would be blown out. A threatening notice was served on Daniel Delaney, of Ballaughkeene? Intimating that death would be his doom if he dispossed any of the tenants of a farm which he took lately. Two shots were fired at the door at the same time. Armed Precursors administering the oath of Allegiance. Three armed men entered the house of Paddy Bohan, of Annameadle, a few days ago at noon. Bohan, not being within, they swore his servant boy to be true to the cause, and commissioned him to serve a notice of immediate quittance on his master. Destroying Ploughs. On the night of the same day, some ploughs, the property of one Carney were smashed to bits with stones at Knockfune. Turning up Land. About the middle of last month, a field or two, the property of Mr. W. Ryan of Clougher, were dug up in the open day by a party of men. A notice was served the next night treatening him with death if he did not set the land for 8? Per acre to the friends of the O'Connells. Sharp Shooting. A few nights ago shots were fired at the house of John Delany of Killeen. The door was perforated by about 12 pellets. Arrests. There have been 7 more men arrested on suspicion of the barbarous murder of Old Hanly at Rapla. Capture. Kenna who had given evidence against the murderers of Hanly and who was to prosecute them at the next assizes, but who contrived to escape from the Nenagh Police Barracks was captured on the evening of last Saturday by Head Constable Wess, at Knockenacre-Wood. Kenna was in the act of taking leave of his wife previous to his departure to Liverpool. He confessed that he had been supplied with money out of the fund" to take him to England, and that he came from Thurles dressed in women's attire to bid farewell to his wife and make arrangements for her to follow him. Infanticide. A female infant supposed to be about 4 days old, was found in a boghole, near Newport on the 1st. inst. An inquest was held and a verdict of "Wilful murder" returned. A Wedding favour. A fellow named Stapleton from Upperchurch, had his skull severely fractured at a friends wedding on the ist inst. He is likely to die from the wound. Precursor Amusements. A few nights ago some of the Precursors cut of the ears of a horse belonging to a man named Ryan, near Newport. Of course this was done for amusement, or by way of hurt to Ryan. More. A plough was smashed and two threatening notices were served on John Molloy near Thurles, caretaker to Mr. Val. Maher. The substance of the notices was death if he should dare plough the lands of Ballymurreen. Sheep Killing. A few nights ago, a fine sheep, the property of Mr. Thomas Cantrill, of Castle Otway, was killed on the lands of Lattera. The flesh and fleece were taken away, but the head and entrails were left behind. Robbery. Some nights ago a quantity of corn was stolen out of the barn of Mr. Rickard Bourke, of Curraghbeha. Firing at a dwelling. On the morning of the 1st. inst. Shots were fired at the cabin door of a poor man called Bolland in the Parish of Drom. The bullets which perforated the door were found in the dresser opposite. Cheers Mary

Hi Jerry, I have a marriage of a James Dwyer married to a Catherine Ryan on the 8/11/1835 in Cappawhite. Witness D. Ryan and James Hunt, Cappa. I have a missing Catherine (Kate) Ryan and I thought this Catherine might be her, but no luck as it would mean my Catherine would have married at age 11. I don't have any other information. Mary Heaphy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dwyer" <gjdwyer39@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [TIP] Roll Call -- O'Dwyer / Ryan > Looking for birthplace of my great grandfather James O'Dwyer b. 1844 > somewhere in Tipperary. Parents were James O'Dwyer (d. circa 1850) and > Catherine Ryan. James and family lived in Clonmel for awhile and then > migrated to Leeds where he received his education. James came to San > Francisco in 1867 at the age of 22 I believe he had a sister Alice who > died when in her teens and a brother who practiced medicine in England. > James taught in the SF Public Schools until his death in 1896. TFHR found > a family with same names in Cappawhite but I don't believe this is my > family. I also can't find anyone in 1851 or 1861 England census. > > Jerry Dwyer > Castro Valley, California > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. > For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] > >

Looking for John Stephen Heenan, born in Co. Tipp either 1828 or 1829 -- or possibly 1823. The latter is probably from a misreading of the number. He is the son of John and Mary Heenan. He married Mary Conway (Co. Clare) in Outagamie Co., Wisconsin, USA about 1850. Location in Ireland is probably in North Tipperary -- possibly Roscrea area. and Timothy Heenan, born in Co. Tipp in 1818 and married Mary Maroney in 1848 in Co. Tipperary. Also emigrated to Outagamie County, Wisconsin, USA. I do not know if the two are related in any way. Any potential leads would be appreciated. Catherine in Wisconsin --- Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> wrote: > Read First: > It is time for our January Roll Call > If you have never seen a Roll Call - this is where > everyone tells who they are searching > for all at once. > > Please send in your Names and some identifying info > like dates and places (if you know > them). > > ***Please put your names in the SUBJECT line of the > email so people know what emails to > look at. Do this before you write the message body > because it is easy to forget to go back > and fix the Subject line.*** > __ Sister Catherine Gilles Administrative Leadership Coordinator Silver Lake College cgilles@silver.sl.edu Grad Ed Web: http://www.sl.edu/graded/ Local: 686-6377 or 1-800-236-4752x377 "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." Albert Einstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Janet, I'm not sure whether to take your post seriously or with a bright flashing smile. You mentioned in part ... The High Crosses were vividly painted like advertising signs. It seems some of the crosses had moving parts to convince the worshippers that a miracle was occuring. ----- I always thought that 'by making the sign of the cross', it was a blessing not a miracle in disguise. Nigel Pennick mentions the colouring of Celtic Crosses on page 96 of his book titled, "The Celtic Cross an Illustrated History and Celebration". (ISBN 0-7137-2758-6) Quoting ... Forensic studies of ancient crosses have shown that, sometimes, the stone surface was prepared with an undercoat of lime whitewash or gesso, upon which the colours were painted. Like traditional fabric dyes and inks for tattooing, the colours for stone-painting were prepared from natural materials. Black and white were made from lead, red from haematite, and green from verdigris. On the subject of DNA, I'm about to finish reading Prof Bryan Sykes' book titled, "The Seven Daughters of Eve" (ISBN 0-552-15218-8). Stephen Oppenheimer's book titled, "Out of Eden the peopling of the world" (ISBN 1-84119-894-3) is on the bookshelf ready & waiting. Regards, Peter Mayberry Tuggeranong ACT Australia

Looking for birthplace of my great grandfather James O'Dwyer b. 1844 somewhere in Tipperary. Parents were James O'Dwyer (d. circa 1850) and Catherine Ryan. James and family lived in Clonmel for awhile and then migrated to Leeds where he received his education. James came to San Francisco in 1867 at the age of 22 I believe he had a sister Alice who died when in her teens and a brother who practiced medicine in England. James taught in the SF Public Schools until his death in 1896. TFHR found a family with same names in Cappawhite but I don't believe this is my family. I also can't find anyone in 1851 or 1861 England census. Jerry Dwyer Castro Valley, California

On 1/22/06, P Mayberry <ppmay@pcug.org.au> wrote: > > Hello Janet, > > "I'm not sure whether to take your post seriously or with a bright > flashing > smile." Both, Peter.Think of the time period c. 900AD. About 450 years from the second arrival of Patrick in Ireland. Miracles abound. Saints [sons of kings] abound. Churches have to be built for the sons/bishops. Kings keep their treasure in the churches of which their sons are bishops. Vikings are plundering and burning the churches for the treasure. Tribes are at war with each other. It is a very interesting time. Read as much as you can get your hands on.

I was reading the article from Trinity research & they say that Medieval Irish were christian but they still used the customs of the pre-christian times. Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall > Hi Les, And in the 1700's and 1800's, the illegitimate children were given > the surname of the mother. I can't tell how far back that goes. One may > just > think one is a Ryan or a Dwyer. > > Janet > > > > > On 1/22/06, les wright <olgeta@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >> That is right Janet. I am one of the people who find themselves >> descended >> from Niall through my McHenry family coming from the O'Cathain clan, this >> has been found through DNA & using a number of males & was not done >> looking >> for the 'pot of gold'. I have the book "Clans of Ulster" & most of these >> names are in this book as being from Niall & names do change around a bit >> over time. In Medieval times & prior to this time it is written that >> illigitimate children were given their fathers name, it was powerful to >> have >> children especially males! >> I have now used DNA on 4 of my male lines & I am finding it a most >> interesting tool with my research, it certainly keeps me very busy & can >> change that paper trail believe you me! >> Robyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [TIP] DNA -Niall >> >> >> > > >> >> Hi Squire, Generally I agree with you. Niall's brothers would carry >> >> the >> >> same DNA and on down their lines. However, the statement below needs >> some >> >> clarification: >> >> >> >> "What is socially interesting is that so many people with different >> >> surnames seem to be descended from the Nialls. Hmmmm." >> > >> > >> > >> > In the old days, the eventual surnames were derived, simplyfying it, >> from >> > the names given to the sons. "They" say the surnames started about >> 1000AD >> > but I think it may have really begun in a limited way in the 800's. So >> in >> > the 800's a son was named Flaithbertach, which eventually became >> > O'Flaherty, >> > and he was in the direct O'Neill line. Tons of new surnames came about >> in >> > the same line in that way. >> > >> > But your postman theory is meaningful too :) Lots of illegitimate >> > births >> > over the centuries. >> > >> > Janet >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> >> Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and >> >> everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday >> (depending >> >> on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This >> >> means >> >> the >> >> time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in >> >> California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in >> Sydney; >> >> 12 >> >> noon (Friday) in Wellington. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> > Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as >> > possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of >> > the original message important to your reply. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Online Tipperary Census: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>>Watch those SUBJECT headings! When the topic changes - change the >>>subject<< > >