I have an Ellen English who married a David Gorman in Cahir Parish. They had a daughter, Honora Gorman - married Richard Tobin, on 28 Sept 1783. Jerry

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Pete, Thank you! I will start digging in that direction. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: PeteScherm@aol.com [mailto:PeteScherm@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:29 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TIP] Cummings Colleen at ckennedy@si.rr.com writes: << One family document lists Alice's place of birth as "Aramale, Tipperary, Ireland" but I haven't been able to find any more details. >> Colleen, You might want to consider the civil parish (and three townlands) of Ardmayle, about 4 to 6 miles NNW of Cashel town. I can easily see how the "d" could be elided, leaving something sounding like Aramale. I can't see any other suitable candidates. (Sorry for the delay in replying - AOL, you know.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Check out the Coroners Inquests: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm

Colleen at ckennedy@si.rr.com writes: << One family document lists Alice's place of birth as "Aramale, Tipperary, Ireland" but I haven't been able to find any more details. >> Colleen, You might want to consider the civil parish (and three townlands) of Ardmayle, about 4 to 6 miles NNW of Cashel town. I can easily see how the "d" could be elided, leaving something sounding like Aramale. I can't see any other suitable candidates. (Sorry for the delay in replying - AOL, you know.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Janet, I think you might have read my reply wrong. There is indeed a townland called Thomastown in Clogheen PLU, in the Ardfinnan Registrar's district, Derrygrath civil parish. What I was telling Bon was that in the Clogheen PLU, I don't find a Registrar's district of Thomastown, to then be able to find a townland within that registrar's district that approximates the townland on her death cert. When I couldn't find a registrar's district by that name, I reversed it and looked in the Thomastown PLU for a registrar's district of Clogheen and again came up empty. It's so confusing to people not familiar with the methods of description. A Superintendent Registrar's District is the same as a Poor Law Union. In Dublin, the certs are filed by Superintendent Registrar's District, but in the county, they are filed by the Registrar's District. On the actual cert, the fill in the blank parts are the PLU/Superintendent Registrar's District, then the subdivision of the Registrar's District. Based on Bon's statement of "The district was Thomastown, and the Superintendent Registrar's district was Clogheen", I can go to my Townlands in Poor Law Unions book and look in Clogheen PLU for a district called Thomastown, and then see what townlands are in that district. It's a handy guide because so many times the actual townland gets mangled for whatever reason. Anyway, in Clogheen PLU, there are just 3 Registrar's districts, Caher, Clogheen and Ardfinnan, so no Thomastown. Sometimes, I think we need to put up the townlands in each PLU for Tipperary, along with what Registrar's district they are in. Cindy

In a message dated 2/1/2006 8:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, reojan@gmail.com writes: > > > Liz, Limerick would have them but as far as I know Limerick is still closed. > > Janet > > Thanks, Janet!

From the Index: Thomastown, Barony Iffa and Offa, civil parish Derrygrath, PLU Clogheen Janet On 2/1/06, Ndhockey49112@aol.com <Ndhockey49112@aol.com> wrote: > > Bon: > > I tried to take a look at your death record and got only the left side of > the > page, is this the only part you have online? One thing I did notice was > that > you've purchased a long form copy of the certificate--which means you got > someone from today transcribing what they think they read on a certificate > written 125 years ago. If that person is not familiar with the locations, > or the > handwriting, well you can see where the problems might arise. I have a > copy of > the book Townlands in Poor Law Unions, from 1885, so just shortly after > your > death was registered. Unfortunately, there appears to be no district > called > Thomastown in the Clogheen Superintendents district. On a hunch, I went > to the > Thomastown Superintendent's district, but they have nothing called > Clogheen. > I usually don't disagree with Pete, but in this case, I might, because > Mullaghnoney townland is in the Clonmel Superintendent's district. I do > have a > townland candidate, just based on how it would sound to someone dealing > with an > accent from the north of Ireland or even England, and that would be the > townland > of Monaloughra in Shanrahan civil parish. At this point, I would probably > advise that you get a photocopy of the actual register entry. With that > you are > looking at the actual entry made in 1879. If you want to email me > privately, > about March 28, and remind me, I can pick up a copy of the actual entry > when > I'm in Dublin. I'm heading over there on March 30. > > Cindy > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the > time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 > noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >

For info on Killaloe, you need to check the Clare Heritage Centre (http://www.clareheritage.com/) Killaloe, Co Clare is across the Shannon river from Balina, Co Tipperary. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hedwards1234@aol.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Question on Killaloe > In a message dated 2/1/2006 8:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, > reojan@gmail.com writes: > >> >> >> Liz, Limerick would have them but as far as I know Limerick is still >> closed. >> >> Janet >> >> > > Thanks, Janet! > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hello Judy, I looked at my LEAMY family ( what I have so far) and Michael LEAMY married Ellen (O) DYWER in 1818 in Tipp. Ireland. Do not have Michael LEAMY's siblings but your Mary could be a cousin. I have a cousin of my husbands Patrick LEAMY who is living in Dublin, and we are in contact with him. I am waiting for more update of his family tree, but like a lot of us he is very busy still fulltime in employment. Will keep your name on record Judy - until I have more information Great to hear from you, Janet Drinnan ( CHCH NZ) -----Original Message----- From: Judy [mailto:alnjudy@bektel.com] Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 2:45 p.m. To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [TIP] CASHIN & LEAMY I have Mary Leamy born abt 1820, married Patrick Tobin. No idea where in Tip. > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet Drinnan [mailto:janet-d@clear.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:13 PM > To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TIP] CASHIN & LEAMY > > > > > Hello, > Does anyone have information on the CASHIN family - Tipp, Ireland > - Johanna > CASHIN married my husband's ggrandfather Dennis LEAMY. > Also the LEAMY family of Cashel area Tipp. Ireland. > Many thanks, > Janet Drinnan ( in NZ) > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

Bon: I tried to take a look at your death record and got only the left side of the page, is this the only part you have online? One thing I did notice was that you've purchased a long form copy of the certificate--which means you got someone from today transcribing what they think they read on a certificate written 125 years ago. If that person is not familiar with the locations, or the handwriting, well you can see where the problems might arise. I have a copy of the book Townlands in Poor Law Unions, from 1885, so just shortly after your death was registered. Unfortunately, there appears to be no district called Thomastown in the Clogheen Superintendents district. On a hunch, I went to the Thomastown Superintendent's district, but they have nothing called Clogheen. I usually don't disagree with Pete, but in this case, I might, because Mullaghnoney townland is in the Clonmel Superintendent's district. I do have a townland candidate, just based on how it would sound to someone dealing with an accent from the north of Ireland or even England, and that would be the townland of Monaloughra in Shanrahan civil parish. At this point, I would probably advise that you get a photocopy of the actual register entry. With that you are looking at the actual entry made in 1879. If you want to email me privately, about March 28, and remind me, I can pick up a copy of the actual entry when I'm in Dublin. I'm heading over there on March 30. Cindy

Great news Heidi, doubt I will be able to make it, but will you be getting to Ireland? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <Iamhydee@aol.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [TIP] Re: The Family History Show" > Hi, listers, > I'm so excited because I think I'll be attending "The Family History > Show" > in London on 29, April, 2006. > > Anybody else planning to be there? Like - RICHARD? > > > Heidi > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > >

Thanks. Mary is my gggrandmother. They immigrated to US sometime between 1848 and 1854. By 1856 they were in Kentucky. > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet Drinnan [mailto:janet-d@clear.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:56 PM > To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TIP] CASHIN & LEAMY-Judy > > > Hello Judy, > I looked at my LEAMY family ( what I have so far) and Michael > LEAMY married > Ellen (O) DYWER in 1818 in Tipp. Ireland. Do not have Michael LEAMY's > siblings but your Mary could be a cousin. > I have a cousin of my husbands Patrick LEAMY who is living in > Dublin, and we > are in contact with him. I am waiting for more update of his > family tree, > but like a lot of us he is very busy still fulltime in employment. > > Will keep your name on record Judy - until I have more information > Great to hear from you, > Janet Drinnan ( CHCH NZ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy [mailto:alnjudy@bektel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 2:45 p.m. > To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TIP] CASHIN & LEAMY > > I have Mary Leamy born abt 1820, married Patrick Tobin. No idea where in > Tip. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Janet Drinnan [mailto:janet-d@clear.net.nz] > > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:13 PM > > To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [TIP] CASHIN & LEAMY > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > Does anyone have information on the CASHIN family - Tipp, Ireland > > - Johanna > > CASHIN married my husband's ggrandfather Dennis LEAMY. > > Also the LEAMY family of Cashel area Tipp. Ireland. > > Many thanks, > > Janet Drinnan ( in NZ) > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > > Contact the Listowner at: > > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending on > your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the > time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in > Sydney; 12 > noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday > (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary > Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New > York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) > in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > >

I have Mary Leamy born abt 1820, married Patrick Tobin. No idea where in Tip. > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet Drinnan [mailto:janet-d@clear.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:13 PM > To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TIP] CASHIN & LEAMY > > > > > Hello, > Does anyone have information on the CASHIN family - Tipp, Ireland > - Johanna > CASHIN married my husband's ggrandfather Dennis LEAMY. > Also the LEAMY family of Cashel area Tipp. Ireland. > Many thanks, > Janet Drinnan ( in NZ) > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Bon at blmalmat@bellsouth.net writes: << I can't read the townland on the certificate! >> Bon, I think Mike has pinned it down for you. It would be nice if Mullaghnoney were located a bit closer to Thomastown and Clogheen, but I don't see any suitable candidate nearer to them. Mullaghnoney townland is located about 4 miles NW of chaotic, downtown Clonmel. AOL has been blocking Rootsweb mail since the 20th, so I haven't been able to keep-up with the lists very well. Sorry. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hello Tipperary First post today Looking for Burns Researchers -------------------------------------------- We have an Ellen Burn or Burns babt 1842 Tipperary Parents are John Burn (s ) and Mary Crowley This info is from her Wedding certificate dated 1865 Castlemaine Victoria Husband John Herbert babt 1837 Durham England Is there a census still standing for Tipperary in 1841 We are aware there is not much at all left now But if there is ...can anyone see John and Mary Burn s Or 1851 Ellen would be 8/9 If anyone has a John and Mary Burn s in their family tree......who are of the right age We would .....................love to hear from you..............!!!!! Any Crowleys out there ? Sound desperate we are .......Fingers crossed Carole and Shirley Oz

Hi, listers, I'm so excited because I think I'll be attending "The Family History Show" in London on 29, April, 2006. Anybody else planning to be there? Like - RICHARD? Heidi

Greetings from Florida. My name is Bonnie (I go by "Bon" usually) and it looks like one of my ancestors spent his final days in Tipperary. I've only found this out (he moved all over the place, having been a former army man) and this is my first chance to look at Tipperary sources. The problem is, I can't read the townland on the certificate! I scanned the relevent part of the document and it's here: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a382/TBonzie/AG.gif Mullahraney? But I don't see that name on any townland list that I've seen online. The district was Thomastown, and the Superintendent Registrar's district was Clogheen, but in spite of intensive searching, I just can't make out what that townland in column two is! Without figuring it out, I am unable to figure out in which parish to have a look. Andrew Graham was born in Monaghan, married an Englishwoman while in Manchester England and served at various places in Ireland including a short stint in Clonmel. According to his service record, he was in Tipperary in 1834 for part of the year, and also in 1837. I don't know where he was from 1839 (when he finished his military service) until 1862 when his daughter married in Clogher, Tyrone county. (The informant on this death record, on the half that I didn't scan, was from "Tully Broom" which is the townland directly next door to where Andrew lived in Tyrone in 1862.) This family has been a real puzzlement. I have at least 5 children including my ancestor, born in Ireland, but of course, "Ireland" is very vague. I have not found the baptisms in Tyrone, and now with finding this death records and knowing he was there in the mid to late 1830s, I will turn my attention to Tipperary. This should be interesting, as this is a whole new county for me. I have other Irish lines, but none from this county. Andrew GRAHAM b @ 1797 Monaghan, Monaghan Ireland m Jane WILLCOCKS (b Dec 23 1810) 1832 Manchester, England. Children: 1. Francis b Aug 1832 Salford England 2. Andrew b @ 1841 place unknown. Gibraltar? Ireland? 3. Susanna b either Eng or Ire between 1839-1845 Married John COUSINS in 1862 in Tyrone, Ireland 4. William E. born July 17 1844 Ireland 5. John C born 1849 Ireland 6. Jane Mary b Dec 21 1852 Ireland plus five other unknown children All of the children emigrated to the U.S., to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Jane emigrated after the death of her husband. Thanks for any help, especially on the townland name. Bon

Hi Bon, This might be it. The Sean Raud database of names is at the URL below and I found one that might be the one you are looking for. http://www.seanruad.com/ Townland Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Mullaghnoney 119 Tipperary, S.R. Iffa and Offa East Newchapel Clonmel Munster It's late and I'll read the rest of your e-mail tomorrow. Best Regards, Mike McGraw Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: Bon M [mailto:blmalmat@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:57 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] New subscriber - Death Record Question and my family line (GRAHAM) Greetings from Florida. My name is Bonnie (I go by "Bon" usually) and it looks like one of my ancestors spent his final days in Tipperary. I've only found this out (he moved all over the place, having been a former army man) and this is my first chance to look at Tipperary sources. The problem is, I can't read the townland on the certificate! I scanned the relevent part of the document and it's here: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a382/TBonzie/AG.gif Mullahraney? But I don't see that name on any townland list that I've seen online. The district was Thomastown, and the Superintendent Registrar's district was Clogheen, but in spite of intensive searching, I just can't make out what that townland in column two is! Without figuring it out, I am unable to figure out in which parish to have a look. Andrew Graham was born in Monaghan, married an Englishwoman while in Manchester England and served at various places in Ireland including a short stint in Clonmel. According to his service record, he was in Tipperary in 1834 for part of the year, and also in 1837. I don't know where he was from 1839 (when he finished his military service) until 1862 when his daughter married in Clogher, Tyrone county. (The informant on this death record, on the half that I didn't scan, was from "Tully Broom" which is the townland directly next door to where Andrew lived in Tyrone in 1862.) This family has been a real puzzlement. I have at least 5 children including my ancestor, born in Ireland, but of course, "Ireland" is very vague. I have not found the baptisms in Tyrone, and now with finding this death records and knowing he was there in the mid to late 1830s, I will turn my attention to Tipperary. This should be interesting, as this is a whole new county for me. I have other Irish lines, but none from this county. Andrew GRAHAM b @ 1797 Monaghan, Monaghan Ireland m Jane WILLCOCKS (b Dec 23 1810) 1832 Manchester, England. Children: 1. Francis b Aug 1832 Salford England 2. Andrew b @ 1841 place unknown. Gibraltar? Ireland? 3. Susanna b either Eng or Ire between 1839-1845 Married John COUSINS in 1862 in Tyrone, Ireland 4. William E. born July 17 1844 Ireland 5. John C born 1849 Ireland 6. Jane Mary b Dec 21 1852 Ireland plus five other unknown children All of the children emigrated to the U.S., to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Jane emigrated after the death of her husband. Thanks for any help, especially on the townland name. Bon ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

Patrick Sheedy was born at Birdhill in 1815 (Co Tipperary) the son of John Sheedy (farmer)and Mary Burke.(associated place names: Newport, Ahane, Nenagh.) Patrick's known siblings were Martin,John, Michael, Ellen and Bridget,all born around the Oakhampton, Birdhill, Ahane, Newport region. Patrick's mother must have died between 1832 and 1845 as she was alive when his sister Catherine was born but deceased by the time Patrick was transported in 1845 to Van Diemans Land. Appreciate any help or information Joan Williams "Birdhill" Killarney Victoria Australia

I have finished uploading 1901 census that Peggy Quinn has generously transcribed. All in Lower Ormond Barony Ballingarry Parish (Ballingarry D.E.D.) Townlands: Ballingarry Ballylina Ballymona Ballynahinch Carrick Creeragh Derreen Garane Gortinarable Rahinane Kilruane Parish (Ballyluskey D.E.D.) Townlands: Clermont Graigue Loughkeen Parish (D.E.D. Ballingarry) Townlands: Arraghbeg Gurteen To view these go to the Ireland Genealogy Projects page for County Tipperary: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ Click on Census on the menu. Then 1901 & 1911 Census Extracts Enjoy! Christina