Hi Pete, No, you are the only one to reply and I again thank you for your valuable expertise. That's a great help. Thanks, Karen > << Would anybody know what towns or villages are in or near the townland of > Clonoura. I can't find this townland on any map I have. >> > > Karen, > > I don't know if you've received a reply on this yet, but I was "delayed" by > AOL's reluctance to accept Rootsweb mail for about 11 days or so. > > Clonoura is a large (nearly 1600 acres) townland, about 4 miles due west of > Littleton (and 6 miles NNE of the Kilboy Well <gr>). I don't think the names > of the many surrounding townlands would help you much (I'll send them, if you > really want them), but if you take the R 689 from Killenaule northward toward > Urlingford, 3 or 4 miles up this road is the village of New Birmingham. > Clonoura is just a mile or two north of that. Buy a Discovery map 67 at the airport > when you arrive, and "all will become clear". > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > __________ NOD32 1.1391 (20060201) Information __________ > > Diese E-Mail wurde vom NOD32 antivirus system gepr�ft > http://www.nod32.com > > >

Was it an accumulation of methane? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: [TIP] Times Newspaper 30-4-1788 > Ireland. 30-4-1788 > The eruption in the bog, near Golden, in the County Tipperary, still > continues, in such a considerable manner, as to blacken the River Suir, > from Golden, down to the sea. We hear the Royal Irish Academy have deputed > one of their members to view and describe this extraordinary phenomenon. > Mary > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > IGP County Tipperary Message Board: > http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > >

Hi there Heidi and everyone! Yes I intend to be at the Family History show in London on 29th of April. It's fun to attend but be warned it is not very "useful". It is quite a large event with maybe about 250 stands. Most are amateur or semi-professional societies from various geographical areas in UK, usually based on counties. There are a few Irish stalls. I expect Eneclann to be there. Maybe also the London based "Irish Genealogical Research Society" [if they will get off their aristocratic arses and prove they are still alive but I doubt it!] Ancestry.com usually have a large stand with a lot of advisers. The other major London sources, Public Record Office, National Archives, etc. should all have stands. Contact me nearer the time and we can fix a stall, and a time, to meet at. The previous day also has eight introductory talks at the same venue. Fri 28 11:00-17:00 A Taste of Family History. Four from eight introductory talks at the Royal Horticultural Hall, SW1. Ticket £15 includes free entry to the Show on Saturday more(pdf) Details of what the lectures are about don't seem to be available yet but should eventually appear on the "Society of Genealogy" website http://www.sog.org.uk (you will have to navigate into their events page and click for more info. http://www.sog.org.uk/events/calendar.html#footnote Richard Callanan London England -----Original Message----- From: Iamhydee@aol.com [mailto:Iamhydee@aol.com] Sent: 31 January 2006 18:48 To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Re: The Family History Show" Hi, listers, I'm so excited because I think I'll be attending "The Family History Show" in London on 29, April, 2006. Anybody else planning to be there? Like - RICHARD? Heidi ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

I think you will find, that is the only way to acess the Tipperary Catholic records. I have been to the research centre, and actually got all of the records of my family. Mind you it was only one generation. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message -----

The filmed parish records for Terryglass are available from the LDS site. I've just finished reading them at my local Family History Center and they are in very good shape. Only found one or two pages I couldn't read. Ellen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

I did something very similar and had success. I wrote an advance letter to the parish priest and he was waiting for my visit when I arrived. He didn't allow me to go over the records myself, but instead held the parish register and read over it looking for the names I wanted. That was in 1991 which I believe was before the records were made unavailable, but it sounds like Cindy had a more recent experience. It's worth a try. Agnes -----Original Message----- From: Ndhockey49112@aol.com [mailto:Ndhockey49112@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:16 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Re: Catholic Records in Tipperary As far as accessing those Catholic records, since you will be in Ireland, I'd probably hold off on using the heritage centers for the time being. I've had very good luck with an advance letter to the parish priest explaining my interests and asking if I could access the registers myself when there. When I've been able to show that anyone with the surname is likely to have been part of the family, they've even allowed me to peruse the entire register looking for instances of the name amongst sponsors and the likes. It's time consuming, and I do give a generous donation, but it's probably less than what you'd be paying to the centers. Cindy ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

Tom, There is a Bowles branch in Solohead in the 1850's as a Bridget Bowles married Michael Quillinan there in 1851; a witness to the marriage was John Bowles. They had 6 children in Solohead and I think another daughter in Limerick. Baptism sponsors included John Bowles, Honora Bowles, William Bowles and Catherine Bowles. Janet On 2/3/06, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > > My Bowles in South Tipperary developed in two seperate Catholic and Church > of Ireland branches but still moved from place to place together from the > mid 1700's to the early 1800's and then both emigrated to Canada. > >

I have had some success in finding my family by going directly to the local church by contacting the parish priest far in advance and they would make the actual baptismal and marriage records available. Of course you need to know which church and which names. It would help immensely if you know approximate dates. And then everything is written in Latin, but if you do a little research before, that is not insurmountable. The last names are not in Latin, nor the townland if it is written. I would always make a donation to the church after. Sandy There is no other way to access any of the Tipperary Catholic records?

HI Janet, I wish I could be there, but second best, I wish I could get some kind of report on the proceedings. My ancestor is James Dwyer, reportedly born in Holycross parish July 12, 1818. (Per headstone for date and notes made by a priest for place). Tipperary Family History Research cannot find a record of his baptism or that of any of his siblings. The priest's notes indicate his parents were John Dwyer and Margaret (or Mary?) Fogarty. I believe that James and brothers Timothy, Thomas and maybe Martin immigrated around 1851-1852, possibly through New Orleans, and settled in Greene County, Ohio. Thomas died young and unmarried, I've found no trace of martin except the naturalization papers James and Timothy had large families. They also had sisters Honorah and Margaret, one of who may have married a Daly and moved to Missouri...again from the priest's notes, which were hard to decipher! I found a brother Malachi who settled in Australia. Records there show Malachi with same parents and originating from Golden, another Tipp. parish. An old family legend has it that the family was split up after having trouble at sea when rescuing ships took some passengers to new Orleans and others to Australia. I have letters written by Malachi's descendants to James's son Frank. James married Anna (aka Nancy) Waters Timothy married Bridget Kavanaugh Do you know who is running the Dwyer DNA project? Is there any place to find out more about the O'Dwyer clan organization? I'll be away from the computer for a few days, look forward to news when I get back! Pat Dwyer -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford [mailto:reojan@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:50 PM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: O'Dwyer Clan Rally Just a quick reminder about the O'Dwyer clan rally Sept 15-17th, 2006. It will be held at the new (and quite luxurious) Ramada Inn, 2 miles NW of Tipperary Town. They have reserved a block of 20 rooms and they are starting to be taken up. If you call the Ramada directly, please be sure to say you are attending the O'Dwyer rally as the hotel is completely booked up outside of our block and they will tell you there are no rooms available. If you run into problems or need help with finding a B & B, please contact me and I will try to find you a place to stay in the area. The rooms at the Ramada are at a discounted 76.50 B & B per person shaing. The rooms must be booked before Easter or we will let any not booked go back to the hotel. The hotel has a par 72 golf course, and a health spa, including a swimming pool, spa bath, massage and beauty treatment rooms. The restaurant is lovely and the bar area fantastic.The Tipperary Racecourse is just down the road, and there is hunting and fishing and hill-walking available. If you fly into either Dublin or Shannon, you can take a train to Limerick Junction and the hotel will pick you up there. Dan Doolay, just down the road, has rental cars available, so you don't need a car until you get to Tipp. Friday night will have the Diaspora book launch with drinks and music afterwards. Saturday will have lectures on clan music, and the history and lore of the O'Dwyers. There will also be a discussion on the O'Dwyer DNA results. Lunch will be followed by a bus tour of places of interest, and that followed by a dinner and music. If you are still on your feet, there are pubs to visit! Father Christy O'Dwyer will offer Sunday mass at Solohead church, and the clan will gather after lunch to talk and talk ( and probably drink a little). Janet ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.1/250 - Release Date: 2/3/2006

As far as accessing those Catholic records, since you will be in Ireland, I'd probably hold off on using the heritage centers for the time being. I've had very good luck with an advance letter to the parish priest explaining my interests and asking if I could access the registers myself when there. When I've been able to show that anyone with the surname is likely to have been part of the family, they've even allowed me to peruse the entire register looking for instances of the name amongst sponsors and the likes. It's time consuming, and I do give a generous donation, but it's probably less than what you'd be paying to the centers. Cindy

Just a quick reminder about the O'Dwyer clan rally Sept 15-17th, 2006. It will be held at the new (and quite luxurious) Ramada Inn, 2 miles NW of Tipperary Town. They have reserved a block of 20 rooms and they are starting to be taken up. If you call the Ramada directly, please be sure to say you are attending the O'Dwyer rally as the hotel is completely booked up outside of our block and they will tell you there are no rooms available. If you run into problems or need help with finding a B & B, please contact me and I will try to find you a place to stay in the area. The rooms at the Ramada are at a discounted 76.50 B & B per person shaing. The rooms must be booked before Easter or we will let any not booked go back to the hotel. The hotel has a par 72 golf course, and a health spa, including a swimming pool, spa bath, massage and beauty treatment rooms. The restaurant is lovely and the bar area fantastic.The Tipperary Racecourse is just down the road, and there is hunting and fishing and hill-walking available. If you fly into either Dublin or Shannon, you can take a train to Limerick Junction and the hotel will pick you up there. Dan Doolay, just down the road, has rental cars available, so you don't need a car until you get to Tipp. Friday night will have the Diaspora book launch with drinks and music afterwards. Saturday will have lectures on clan music, and the history and lore of the O'Dwyers. There will also be a discussion on the O'Dwyer DNA results. Lunch will be followed by a bus tour of places of interest, and that followed by a dinner and music. If you are still on your feet, there are pubs to visit! Father Christy O'Dwyer will offer Sunday mass at Solohead church, and the clan will gather after lunch to talk and talk ( and probably drink a little). Janet

I had great success a few years ago looking for my family in the Limerick Archives. However I do not know if they are still in operation. This was for a Catholic Church I needed in Tipperary as they were indexing the records. Dan

My Bowles in South Tipperary developed in two seperate Catholic and Church of Ireland branches but still moved from place to place together from the mid 1700's to the early 1800's and then both emigrated to Canada. I have had quite a lot of success accessing the surviving Church of Ireland records for Tipperary at the representative Church Body Library in Dublin, some at the National Archives, several local church offices have done free lookups from their local copies or indexes of registers and the church in Clonmel has all their records for the surrounding parish computerized and provides a complete single surname report for 40 euros. Having had a look at the Tipperary Family History Research Center site it appears that there is only one option for me to now branch into the Catholic arm of my Bowles family which I have found traces of in Gortnahoe, Fethard and Killenaule (the Tipperary center), Clonmel and Cahir (the Waterford Centre) and at Silvermines (the Nenagh Centre) and that would be by paying a total of 180 euros to those three centres. I plan to travel to Ireland in August to do the in-person research which I have not been able to do from here except through a paid researcher, but even being there the only way will still be to pay the 180 euros. Apparently their reports will also not be complete surname reports which may help me discover new family lines but only the direct line for the ancestors which I request. Is that correct? There is no other way to access any of the Tipperary Catholic records?

Jerry Lucky you to have such early dates. I'm also searching Cahir Parish for my O'BRIEN line, trying to find the baptism of Cunningham Porter O'BRIEN c1794 (he died 1842 aged 48) or the marriage of his parents who are unknown. His first child Jonathan Porter O'BRIEN was baptised at St Paul's in 1825. Could you please tell where you found the record of the early marriage of Ellen English to David Gorman and the marriage of Honora Gorman to Richard Tobin in 1783? There may be hope yet. Jennifer >I have an Ellen English who married a David Gorman in Cahir Parish. They had >a daughter, Honora Gorman - married Richard Tobin, on 28 Sept 1783. > >Jerry >

Hello List, I am wondering if there is a Heritage Centre which would have information on Killenaule. My great grandmother Ann DAMIANOVICH (nee BRYAN) gave her birthplace as "Kilnawle", Tipperary, Ireland on her son's Death Certificate. On her second marriage to McNALLY, it was spelt "Kilnawl". We have taken it to be Killenaule. Her parents were Mary NAIL/NEIL and Patrick BRYAN and she was born c.1857. Ann was a Roman Catholic. Any comments, ideas or connections most welcome. Thank you in anticipation, Estelle in hot, dry, sunny Central Queensland, Australia >From: "Mike O'Brien" <mike@obrienclan.com> >Reply-To: "Mike O'Brien" <mike@obrienclan.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TIP] Question on Killaloe >Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:35:49 -0800 > >For info on Killaloe, you need to check the Clare Heritage Centre >(http://www.clareheritage.com/) >Killaloe, Co Clare is across the Shannon river from Balina, Co Tipperary. > >Mike > >----- Original Message ----- From: <Hedwards1234@aol.com> >To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:21 PM >Subject: Re: [TIP] Question on Killaloe > > >>In a message dated 2/1/2006 8:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>reojan@gmail.com writes: >> >>> >>> >>>Liz, Limerick would have them but as far as I know Limerick is still >>>closed. >>> >>>Janet >>> >>> >> >>Thanks, Janet! >> >> >>==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ >>Contact the Listowner at: >>mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> > > >==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 > _________________________________________________________________ Shopping made easy @ tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Freferrer%3DnmsnHMetagv1&_t=753082530&_r=emailtagline&_m=EXT

Hi Iam also tracing English in Cahir and would like to know where I can obtain the church records. Julie

I suggest you look at http://www.tfhr.org/

Hi everyone, Would anyone know if there are Irish variations for the name Hugh? Thank you, Karen

My Ellen English was likely the sister of Catherine English (my ggg grandmother who was born about 1799) because Ellen was one of the sponsors for Catherine's first child in 1816. The general area is right although the year is too early to be my Ellen English. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: JJAAA5@aol.com [mailto:JJAAA5@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:08 PM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Re: English I have an Ellen English who married a David Gorman in Cahir Parish. They had a daughter, Honora Gorman - married Richard Tobin, on 28 Sept 1783. Jerry ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa]

Karen at jacbell25@t-online.de writes: << Would anybody know what towns or villages are in or near the townland of Clonoura. I can't find this townland on any map I have. >> Karen, I don't know if you've received a reply on this yet, but I was "delayed" by AOL's reluctance to accept Rootsweb mail for about 11 days or so. Clonoura is a large (nearly 1600 acres) townland, about 4 miles due west of Littleton (and 6 miles NNE of the Kilboy Well <gr>). I don't think the names of the many surrounding townlands would help you much (I'll send them, if you really want them), but if you take the R 689 from Killenaule northward toward Urlingford, 3 or 4 miles up this road is the village of New Birmingham. Clonoura is just a mile or two north of that. Buy a Discovery map 67 at the airport when you arrive, and "all will become clear". - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts