The assassin and two of his confederates in the barbarous murder of Mrs Hall have been arrested. One of the conspirators in the bloody deed is an old woman. Mary

Thanks, Mary. The O'Ryan's of Cashel are an interesting line! Janet On 2/4/06, Mary Heaphy <tipwex@eircom.net> wrote: > > Janet, I should have looked more closely at it, it is Francis O'Ryan, but > looks like O'Brien. Very bad copy. > Mary >

Since the first meeting of the magistrates, on the 10th inst. consequent upon the murder of the late Mr. Patrick Clarke, two extensive robberies of arms took place. Mr. Llyod, of Longford House was fired at; a poor man named Gilmartin at Lateragh, was also fired at through the window of his dwelling, and severly wounded in the head; and another act of atrocity has just beeb perpetrated, which bears out the statement of the 23 magistrates of our county in their address to the Lord-Lieutenant, that the existing laws are not adequate to protect life and property in this county. A poor man named Molowney, in the parish of Drom, near Templemore, took some land, which had been evicted, or in dispute, some 15 years ago, and had been in possession of it ever since. The provincial executive, however, being under the impression that the existing laws had no power to check their course of legislation, send some fellows about six months ago, to give Molowney warning to quit. They then attacked him, and drove him off his own land. This warning not producing the desired effect, on Sunday last, the day generally selected for deeds of blood, four men, two of them armed, entered his house after dusk, and beat the unfortunate man to such an extent, that his death ensued in about 24 hours after. He was a cripple, and could make no resistance. Mary

State of the County. On Wed. morning an armed party attacked the house of a farmer of the name of Richard Peters, residing on the lands of Kilmoyer, near Caher, the property of the late Captain Maguire. After firing the shots, and making every effort to break open the door, which they were not able to affect, they called out to Peters, that if he did not immediately, give up the land, lately set to him by Mr. Barry, the agent of the estate, that he would meet the fate of his late master, Captain Maguire. This land was formerly in the possession of a man named Ryan, who was evicted in consequence of owing upwards of 200/. rent and arrears, and was afterwards set to a man named Burke, who was obliged to give up the lands since that time from the repeated attacks made upon him by those midnight legislators. On tuesday evening last, as a man named Thomas Saunders was returning home from the fair of Cashel , he was attacked by two ruffians who beat him unmercifully, and robbed him of the sum of 5/. On the night of tuesday, the 10th, inst, an armed party, consisting of at least 8 men attacked a dwelling house on the lands of Taverston, within a few miles of Nenagh, the property of Caleb Going, Esq. but tenanted by persons of the name of Ryan, and set fire to the house in several places, after a very short time the house with every article of furniture was totally consumed. Ryan and his family narrowly scaped with their lives, and on leaving the house one of the party fired a shot at Ryan, but fortunately without effect. Two of the party, named Murphy, were arrested on Saturday, and fully identified. On tuesday the 17th, as Mr. George Dart, Excise officer, stationed at Nenagh, was retuning home, he discovered a still and every other necessary appurtenance, concealed in a ditch convenient to a house about four miles distant, which he immediately seized on. Scarcely had he laid his hand on it when he was assailed by three men, who in the most violent manner endeavoured to wrest it from him, and in the struggle several times knocked him down; however, Mr Dart, in the most spirited manner, though alone, successfully resisted them, and gallantly succeeded in making good his seizure and carried it off. A few days back, a notorious character named Brien was arrested and committed to the county goal, for firing a shot at a man named Gleeson in the month of Sept. last. On the same night an armed party attacked the house of a man named Thomas Neil, of Ballahane?, near Castle Otway, and smashed his door. After entering, one of the party presented a blunderbuss at him; and on their departure took with them all the money the poor man was possessed of. A few nights ago an armed party fired two shots into the dwelling-house of John Hodgings, of Castle Otway, and subsequently attacked it with stones and broke 16 panes of glass. Hodgings is a respectable Protestant farmer. Mary

Janet, I should have looked more closely at it, it is Francis O'Ryan, but looks like O'Brien. Very bad copy. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Tipperary Vindicator 4-9-1847 > Hi Mary, Quick question. The article mentions Francis O'Ryan at the top > and > O'Brien at the bottom. Any idea which it is? > > Janet > > > On 2/4/06, Mary Heaphy <tipwex@eircom.net> wrote: >> >> Mr. Francis O'Ryan has addressed the following letter to the Tipperary >> Mary >> >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> Check out the Coroners Inquests: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > > >

Ejectments in Tipperary;-We believe that a larger number of persons have been this year ejected than within any similar period within the oldest remembrance. In this county the number never reached half the amount it has arrived at within the last twelve months. Almost daily the Sheriff, or his deputy, is engaged in the sad and melancholy work of levelling the houses of the rural population, who have no resource except the workhouse-not even the workhouse in many unions now, as with few exceptions, all those institutions are densely crowded. During the present week the deputy sheriff was engaged in Borrisokane, Portrue, etc. On Wed. he ejected 10 families from a place called Be Leen; and it is stated that he has several other similar calls for the ensuing week. Mary

Hi Mary, Quick question. The article mentions Francis O'Ryan at the top and O'Brien at the bottom. Any idea which it is? Janet On 2/4/06, Mary Heaphy <tipwex@eircom.net> wrote: > > The Late Distressing Occurrence at Cashel. > Mr. Francis O'Ryan has addressed the following letter to the Tipperary > Vindicator. > Cashel Aug. 29th. > Sir, > I beg to set you right relative to a statement of occurrence that took > place > in Cashel, and was mentioned in your paper of the 28th. inst. It is not > true > that I had an argument or difference with my son in consequence of his > refusing to join me in making leases or a lease. No such circumstance ever > occurred. His signature or consent to any lease made, or to be made by me, > is not requisite. neither will he be entitled to any property from me on > his > coming of age, or in fact until after my death. No, Sir, what led to the > unfortunate occurrence was the infliction of the greatest wrong one > person > could do to another. I am sorry to be obliged to allude to it, but the > letter in your paper yesterday leaves me no alternative. I caught my son > in > bed with my wife-his stepmother. This Sir, is what led to the unfortunate > affair, and not the foolish and malicious statement furnished by your > paper. > I am ignorant as to who the writer of the article may be, or as to his > intentions in furnishing you with a statement so totally at variance from > the truth; but his information is evidently derived from the poisoned > source > of a malicious fool well known here. I beg also to state that I am not nor > ever was in the habit of carrying firearms about me; neither am I nor was > I > in dread of them. I fear more the villian that attacks my character > through > the instrumentality of wanton and malicious lies. His remarks about my > mental illness etc. are not worth answering. Requesting a place in your > paper for this note, I am, Sir, your obedient servant. > Francis O'Brien. > > Mary > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > >

The Late Distressing Occurrence at Cashel. Mr. Francis O'Ryan has addressed the following letter to the Tipperary Vindicator. Cashel Aug. 29th. Sir, I beg to set you right relative to a statement of occurrence that took place in Cashel, and was mentioned in your paper of the 28th. inst. It is not true that I had an argument or difference with my son in consequence of his refusing to join me in making leases or a lease. No such circumstance ever occurred. His signature or consent to any lease made, or to be made by me, is not requisite. neither will he be entitled to any property from me on his coming of age, or in fact until after my death. No, Sir, what led to the unfortunate occurrence was the infliction of the greatest wrong one person could do to another. I am sorry to be obliged to allude to it, but the letter in your paper yesterday leaves me no alternative. I caught my son in bed with my wife-his stepmother. This Sir, is what led to the unfortunate affair, and not the foolish and malicious statement furnished by your paper. I am ignorant as to who the writer of the article may be, or as to his intentions in furnishing you with a statement so totally at variance from the truth; but his information is evidently derived from the poisoned source of a malicious fool well known here. I beg also to state that I am not nor ever was in the habit of carrying firearms about me; neither am I nor was I in dread of them. I fear more the villian that attacks my character through the instrumentality of wanton and malicious lies. His remarks about my mental illness etc. are not worth answering. Requesting a place in your paper for this note, I am, Sir, your obedient servant. Francis O'Brien. Mary

This is in response to the postings about the parish priests and the way they hold onto the parish record books. I had a similar experience when I was in Ballydonnell, Mullinanone, Co Tipp with the pp there. He was as helpful as he felt he could be, I guess. I imagine some of them get a bit fed up with Americans doing our family research. But at leas this priest told me why he wouldn't let me touch the book. These were his exact words: "some bastard of an American ripped several pages out when I left them with the book, so now it does not leave my hands." While I could have tried to convince him that we aren't all pigs, I could see his point. We could agree that there is a special place in hell for people like that. It made me very sad that I was not able to leisurely peruse that lovely book with all that spidery handwriting in it, but who could say for sure that the very records I needed were not among those that some bastard of an American ripped out of the book. I'm still looking...Erin -

--- Original Message --- From: "Karen Bell" <JAKS-Corner@t-online.de> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:14:48 -0700 Subject: {not a subscriber} RE: [TIP] Hugh - Irish name variations Thank-you! Karen, Aodh is the Gaelic version of Hugh. Phonetically it is pronounced ei (as in paid) in Munster Irish and i: (as in see) in Ulster. -----Original Message----- Would anyone know if there are Irish variations for the name Hugh? Thank you, Karen

Ireland. 30-4-1788 The eruption in the bog, near Golden, in the County Tipperary, still continues, in such a considerable manner, as to blacken the River Suir, from Golden, down to the sea. We hear the Royal Irish Academy have deputed one of their members to view and describe this extraordinary phenomenon. Mary

So glad, Agnes, to know it was a good experience for you. Certainly the vast majority of mine have been, also. Cheers, Jude > The parish priest was at Knockgraffon and New Inn, Cahir. > The experience was very rewarding. Although he held the book in his lap > and didn't give it to me, he was a sweet, gracious man. He hugged me when I > left. It was Fr. James Meehan, who is now deceased. > >

The parish priest was at Knockgraffon and New Inn, Cahir. The experience was very rewarding. Although he held the book in his lap and didn't give it to me, he was a sweet, gracious man. He hugged me when I left. It was Fr. James Meehan, who is now deceased. -----Original Message----- From: JFW [mailto:jowyn@adelphia.net] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:23 PM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Re Agnes' experience with records in Tipperary Agnes, you weren't, by chance, dealing with the PP at Moycarkey, were you? If so, that was my experience, also: he was probably the least cordial priest I've dealt with in all my genealogical research. It was torture to sit there while he held the books and waited for each of my individual names--and only those. All those lovely pages (and there were many of them) of Fannings and Fogartys and Shellys that I couldn't look at. And, of course, I knew only a small number of full names. The joy of seeing sponsors, witnesses, etc. that so often provide wonderful links to family connections was denied. The irony is that only a short distance away--in Templemore--the dearest of priests, the retired pastor--let me peruse all the records books to my heart's content. He did remain with me while I did so, but with such grace and warmth that it (sort of) made up for the prior experience in Moycarkey. It is so interesting to note how the two men each handled the bishop's heavy-handed edict restricting public access to RC records: the one literal to the death; the other having some understanding of the ins and outs (and joys and disappointments) of family research. Ah, well, what do they (the French, that is) say? Vive la différence! I won't repeat what some Irish friends had to say about this! Cheers, Jude > He didn't allow me to go over the records myself, but instead held the > parish register and read over it looking for the names I wanted. ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of the original message important to your reply.

Kaye, according to the Catholic Directory, the diocese of Killaloe "Comprises portions of Clare, Tipperary, Offaly, Galway, Limerick, and Leix counties." Apparently it is at present a far more extensive diocese than it was "in the olden days." Also, the N. Tipp Heritage Service website lists Terryglass as being in the diocese of Killaloe, not Cashel/Emly. But then, it's Ireland we're speaking of here, and who knows just where a diocese might begin or end (g). (Excepting their bishops, of course!) Cheers, Jude > Killaloe comes into County Clare records Jude. > Kaye > www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm > >

Karen, Aodh is the Gaelic version of Hugh. Phonetically it is pronounced ei (as in paid) in Munster Irish and i: (as in see) in Ulster. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Bell [mailto:jessandrak@netscape.net] Sent: 02 February 2006 20:03 To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Hugh - Irish name variations Hi everyone, Would anyone know if there are Irish variations for the name Hugh? Thank you, Karen ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

How interesting! I have often wondered about this name. It is in my family -- both Ulster and Munster. In Ulster, I hear it pronounced like "Kew" or "Hew" and have never heard the "i" as in "see" pronunciation. Wherever did the "ew" sound come from? Anglicization, I suppose. And how in the world did the "k" sound arise? (McHugh??) "Hew" is the pronunciation used by my ggrandfather (Hugh from Munster), according to the family. Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Healy" <jnhealy@eircom.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [TIP] Hugh - Irish name variations > Karen, > Aodh is the Gaelic version of Hugh. Phonetically it is pronounced > ei (as in paid) in Munster Irish and i: (as in see) in Ulster. >

Terryglass, I believe, is in the diocese of Killaloe, not Cashel/Emly. It's free from Bishop Dermot Clifford's restrictions. Cheers, Jude > The filmed parish records for Terryglass are available from the LDS site. I've just finished reading them at my local Family History Center and they are in very good shape. Only found one or two pages I couldn't read.

Jude, I had the same exact experience with the retired priest in Templemore this past summer. What a lovely man indeed. Mary -----Original Message----- From: JFW <jowyn@adelphia.net> To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:23:01 -0500 Subject: [TIP] Re Agnes' experience with records in Tipperary Agnes, you weren't, by chance, dealing with the PP at Moycarkey, were you? If so, that was my experience, also: he was probably the least cordial priest I've dealt with in all my genealogical research. It was torture to sit there while he held the books and waited for each of my individual names--and only those. All those lovely pages (and there were many of them) of Fannings and Fogartys and Shellys that I couldn't look at. And, of course, I knew only a small number of full names. The joy of seeing sponsors, witnesses, etc. that so often provide wonderful links to family connections was denied. The irony is that only a short distance away--in Templemore--the dearest of priests, the retired pastor--let me peruse all the records books to my heart's content. He did remain with me while I did so, but with such grace and warmth that it (sort of) made up for the prior experience in Moycarkey. It is so interesting to note how the two men each handled the bishop's heavy-handed edict restricting public access to RC records: the one literal to the death; the other having some understanding of the ins and outs (and joys and disappointments) of family research. Ah, well, what do they (the French, that is) say? Vive la différence! I won't repeat what some Irish friends had to say about this! Cheers, Jude > He didn't allow me to go over the records myself, but instead held the > parish register and read over it looking for the names I wanted. ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of the original message important to your reply.

Agnes, you weren't, by chance, dealing with the PP at Moycarkey, were you? If so, that was my experience, also: he was probably the least cordial priest I've dealt with in all my genealogical research. It was torture to sit there while he held the books and waited for each of my individual names--and only those. All those lovely pages (and there were many of them) of Fannings and Fogartys and Shellys that I couldn't look at. And, of course, I knew only a small number of full names. The joy of seeing sponsors, witnesses, etc. that so often provide wonderful links to family connections was denied. The irony is that only a short distance away--in Templemore--the dearest of priests, the retired pastor--let me peruse all the records books to my heart's content. He did remain with me while I did so, but with such grace and warmth that it (sort of) made up for the prior experience in Moycarkey. It is so interesting to note how the two men each handled the bishop's heavy-handed edict restricting public access to RC records: the one literal to the death; the other having some understanding of the ins and outs (and joys and disappointments) of family research. Ah, well, what do they (the French, that is) say? Vive la différence! I won't repeat what some Irish friends had to say about this! Cheers, Jude > He didn't allow me to go over the records myself, but instead held the > parish register and read over it looking for the names I wanted.

Swamps are an age old accumulation of water and vegetation which generates methane. If a pocket of methane wells up and explodes, it's like a small atomic bomb. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Times Newspaper 30-4-1788 > Was it an accumulation of methane? > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:49 AM > Subject: [TIP] Times Newspaper 30-4-1788 > > >> Ireland. 30-4-1788 >> The eruption in the bog, near Golden, in the County Tipperary, still >> continues, in such a considerable manner, as to blacken the River Suir, >> from Golden, down to the sea. We hear the Royal Irish Academy have >> deputed one of their members to view and describe this extraordinary >> phenomenon. >> Mary >> >> ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >> IGP County Tipperary Message Board: >> http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777 >> >> > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. > For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] > >