Karen When I was trying to trace my Cunningham Porter O'BRIEN in the Army I thought he may have come up from the Tipperary Militia as he was recommended into the Army by Colonel BAGWELL Tipperary Militia. The following came to light. From WO/68/68 The Tipperary Militia was formed in 1793. The first Colonel was John BAGWELL, who held the position between 25/4/1793-22/9/1805, when he resigned. Colonel Right Hon W M Bagwell took over on 23/9/1805, and held the position until he died on 4/11/1826. The militia records show Rt Hon W M BAGWELL died at Earl Grove Queenstown on 4/11/1826. I hope this is of interest to you. Jennifer Geelong Australia > >William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The >Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. > >Thanks, >Karen >

I agree with this choice. I was planning on recommending it myself. But it is not inexpensive. Agnes -----Original Message----- From: Kennedy Mail [mailto:kennedy_mailing_lists@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:20 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] RE: Best Tipperary book. Hello Carol, I too have been in search of a good source of Tipperary history. The best tipperary book I have found is called: "Tipperary History & Society", published by : Geography Publications edited by: William Nolan and Thomas McGrath. It is very comprehensive and deals with history more than genealogy. But it has some families in it. Do a search for "geography publications" there is a book for most of the modern countys Good luck! Clayton Cannaday >From: IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #52 >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:17:25 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 52 > >Today's Topics: > #1 SOMERS / HEAPHY/HEAFEY [Gloria Addis ><g-addis@ihug.co.nz>] > #2 Fwd: {not a subscriber} Irish Immi [Christina Hunt ><filidh@carolina.rr] > #3 Irish Emigration via London? ["Estelle Daniels" ><stelly__57@hotm] > #4 FW: re robinson ["Estelle Daniels" ><stelly__57@hotm] > #5 The best book on Tipperary history [Carol Dale ><coradsl@tpg.com.au>] > #6 BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyk [Karen Bell ><jessandrak@netscape.ne] > #7 Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, S [Janet Crawford ><reojan@gmail.com>] > #8 Drom and Inch ["Mary Heaphy" ><tipwex@eircom.net>] > #9 Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, S [Karen Bell ><jessandrak@netscape.ne] > >Administrivia: >Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! > >To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to >IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:00:46 +1300 >From: Gloria Addis <g-addis@ihug.co.nz> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43EAB05E.3000706@ihug.co.nz> >Subject: SOMERS / HEAPHY/HEAFEY >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Robert SOMERS B 1841 Tipperary M Margaret HEAPHY/HEAFEY B 1843 >Waterford in 1866 in Jersey Channel Islands then moved to New Zealand >with 2 children before 1879 .Can somebody please tell me what Townland >Robert came from and where they would off left from for the Channel >Islands.Thankyou Gloria. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:11:26 -0500 >From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <200628221126.063410@VALUED-3253602F> >Subject: Fwd: {not a subscriber} Irish Immigrants >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Forwarded message... > >--- Original Message --- >From: "Lesley Moore" <lesleyandrobert@smartchat.net.au> >To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >Cc: >Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:19:27 -0700 >Subject: {not a subscriber} Irish Immigrants > > >Cant find John and Benjamin ROBINSON who came to Australia from >Tipperary in the mid 1800s. I know their father was Michael and >mother Helen(Ellen) Ralph. They were not convicts and everything >else seems to go to America when looking names of immigrants up. I >do not know dates or ship or even if the brothers came together. >On their marriage certificate has 'not stated' re most things and >on the death one of them as been in the Colonies abt. 35yrs. (so >makes abt. 1855 for one). I know what happened when they were >married here to death but not before coming over. Have written >many letters etc. but have hit the proverbial brick wall. Guess >John b.abt. 1835 and Benjamin 1837. Would love some help. >Lesley > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:03:18 +1000 >From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY7-F2310DD980A06CBBA20C2AD6030@phx.gbl> >Subject: Irish Emigration via London? >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hello List, >I am new to researching in Ireland and am trying to track my great >grandmother Ann BRYAN who emigrated to Australia in the mid-1870s. Her >mother Mary who could have been Mary NAIL/NEIL/BRYAN or OBRIEN joined her >daughter about 10 years later. > >Names fitting the above have been found on Shipping Registers in >Queensland >in similar time frames. > >On both accounts, the ships have left from Plymouth and/or London. The >ladies in question were definitely Irish and from Tipperary. > >Was it normal for the Irish to emigrate or be recorded as leaving from >England; or is it more likely that they had been living in England for >some >time or went there for the purposes of emigration to Queensland, Australia. > >I will welcome any ideas or suggestions. > >Estelle > >_________________________________________________________________ >careerone.com.au >http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3 Fcc%3DNWS014%2E19163%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D28927&_t=752722611&_m=EXT > >______________________________ >X-Message: #4 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:50:23 +1000 >From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY116-F289012E4BF29C04571E32FD6030@phx.gbl> >Subject: FW: re robinson >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > >From: "Kevin and June" <therobos2@dodo.com.au> > >Subject: re robinson > >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:28:49 +1000 > > >I thought i had come across the email I had been waiting for all the >years. > > Only it was John. and benjamin. > > I am search for george and his brother benjamin who were suppose to of > >come in together{ Robertson] they changed their name to robinson. but we > >know where george ended up with his children marrying into the thurecht > >family , > > but no sight of benjamin. > > > > June > >_________________________________________________________________ >New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK >http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_ t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT > >______________________________ >X-Message: #5 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:08:45 +1100 >From: Carol Dale <coradsl@tpg.com.au> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20060209200721.00c30090@syd-mail.tpg.com.au> >Subject: The best book on Tipperary history >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Dear all, > >I have a limited budget, but want to buy one book that describes the >history of Tipperary. Does anybody have any favorites they would >recommend. I am building a library of history books for each area my >ancestors came from. > >Carol Dale >Researching Fogarty and Woodlock > >______________________________ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:28:22 +0100 >From: Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43EB3566.9010509@netscape.net> >Subject: BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyke, CLEBURNE, Jackson early 1700s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Is anybody researching or come across any of the above names? > >The Riall, Jacob and Sankey families were prominant Presbyterian >families and all these families were intermarried with my ancestors. > >William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The >Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. > >Any information regarding any of these families would be very much >appreciated. I am looking specifically for info for the early to mid >1700s. > >Thanks, >Karen > >______________________________ >X-Message: #7 >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:36:40 +0000 >From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <35bbfc2c0602090436i61cd3bb6r9c77b69dc5b7ae0e@mail.gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyke, CLEBURNE, Jackson >early 1700s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Karen, I have one Sankey record. Catherine Sankey married William Quillinan >in 1772 in Fethard and they had six children there, all in the RC parish >records. Catherine had to be related to the following but I have no idea >how >as she probably was disinherited and never mentioned again: > >" 1715 - 22. Jacob Sankey of Mobarnane, elected nem. con. and sworn 20th >Dec. 1715, in the room of Mathew Jacob, his father in law who Resigned in >his favour: dead before 12th March, 1721/2: Sovereign 1719/20. [will 6th >September 1721: pr. 11th June 1723. He was son of Richard Sankey of Dublin >(d. 1693), Colonel in the army of King William]. (by Mary, dau of William >Taylor of Ballynort, Co. Limerick), son of Richard Sankey of Hodnet, >Salopshire, which Richard was a brother of Col. Hierome Sankey, the >Cromwellian governor of the precinct of Clonmel. Jacob Sankey m. in >Abagail >daughter. of Mathew Jacob (q.v) of St. Johnstown, and was *ancestor of the >Sankeys of Coolmore, near Fethard*. (BLG. 1879; Betham, Extracts. XXIII - >376, and Bewley, p.494 in G.O. Ireland under the Commonwealth, Dunlop, I - >27n. et passin." > >Janet > > >On 2/9/06, Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> wrote: > > > > Is anybody researching or come across any of the above names? > > > > The Riall, Jacob and Sankey families were prominant Presbyterian > > families and all these families were intermarried with my ancestors. > > > > William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The > > Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. > > > > Any information regarding any of these families would be very much > > appreciated. I am looking specifically for info for the early to mid > > 1700s. > > > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Online Tipperary Census: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > > > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #8 >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:32:58 -0000 >From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000401c62d83$45b5dcf0$46865ed5@YOURA9C5C808D4> >Subject: Drom and Inch >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >DROM & INCH- 1840 MAP > > >The old Parishes of Drom, Inch, & Kilfithmone, were in Barony of Eliogarty; >and old parish of Barnane was in Ikerrin > > > >Drom:- Ardkeen, Brookley, Clonismullen, Clonbrasil, Drom, Graigue, >Kilvilcorris, Killaghagan, Knocka, Larha North, Larha South, Rathleasty, >Rorardstown Upper, Rorardstown Lower. > > > >Kilfithmone:- Ballinlonty, Coolgurt, Fishmoyne, Kilfithmone. > > > >Barnane (in Ikerrin):- Barnane, Killoskehan. > > > >Inch Parish:- Annefield (in it is graveyard of Kyleanna), Ballypatrick, >Bouladuff, Clonbeg, Cleykile, Clonmore, Cottage, Dovea Upper, Dovea Lower, >Goldengrove, Inch, Illannumera, Lisaroon, Liscreagh, Magherareagh, Munroe, >Mount-Catherine, Pallashill, Pollough[s]. > >Mary > >______________________________ >X-Message: #9 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:17:10 +0100 >From: Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43EB5CF6.4040504@netscape.net> >Subject: Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyke, CLEBURNE, Jackson > early 1700s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello Janet, > >Thanks for the response and yes these are the correct Jacob and Sankey >families. I do have that information also plus some will excerpts but >also have no mention of the Catherine you have listed married to Wm. >Quillinan. I have a partial Jacob, Sankey tree but of course it is >almost exclusively males noted (typical !!). > >The Sankey were related to the following families: MINCHIN, JACOB, >LATHAM, MILLET & PERRY. > >If you are interested in the partial tree I have let me know and I'll be >happy to pass it on. >Thanks again, >Karen > >reojan@gmail.com wrote: > > >Karen, I have one Sankey record. Catherine Sankey married William >Quillinan > >in 1772 in Fethard and they had six children there, all in the RC parish > >records. Catherine had to be related to the following but I have no idea >how > >as she probably was disinherited and never mentioned again: > > > >" 1715 - 22. Jacob Sankey of Mobarnane, elected nem. con. and sworn >20th > >Dec. 1715, in the room of Mathew Jacob, his father in law who Resigned in > >his favour: dead before 12th March, 1721/2: Sovereign 1719/20. [will 6th > >September 1721: pr. 11th June 1723. He was son of Richard Sankey of >Dublin > >(d. 1693), Colonel in the army of King William]. (by Mary, dau of William > >Taylor of Ballynort, Co. Limerick), son of Richard Sankey of Hodnet, > >Salopshire, which Richard was a brother of Col. Hierome Sankey, the > >Cromwellian governor of the precinct of Clonmel. Jacob Sankey m. in >Abagail > >daughter. of Mathew Jacob (q.v) of St. Johnstown, and was *ancestor of >the > >Sankeys of Coolmore, near Fethard*. (BLG. 1879; Betham, Extracts. XXIII - > >376, and Bewley, p.494 in G.O. Ireland under the Commonwealth, Dunlop, I >- > >27n. et passin." > > > >Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== >>Watch those SUBJECT headings! When the topic changes - change the subject<<

Janet, only just found time to look at the article you recommended. It's fascinating and seems to answer the various problems I had found in relation to the origins of the Celts. Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: [TIP] Ancient history > Excellent article at > > http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/wonder/indoeuropean/indoeuropean1.html > > Janet > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending > on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means > the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in > California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; > 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > >

Dear all, I have a limited budget, but want to buy one book that describes the history of Tipperary. Does anybody have any favorites they would recommend. I am building a library of history books for each area my ancestors came from. Carol Dale Researching Fogarty and Woodlock

PeteScherm@aol.com wrote >I forgot to mention it's in Kilbarron parish, but you probably knew that from >using the www.seanruad.com website <gr>. > Nice sense of humour Pete <gr> ... if I knew all this I wouldn't have a reason to ask so much :-) I will indeed be briefly in Cork but mainly in Tipperary and Waterford. When are you visiting? I arrive May 2nd. As for Bonnydubber and Derrysallagh I had assumed they were in Tipperary. The only reference I have to them is the following: An Index to Freeholders' Registers of County Tipperary, 1775-76 CLEBURNE, Edward, Derrysallagh, Bonnydubber CLEBURNE, John, Ballycolliton CLEBURNE, Richard, Bonnydubber Sorry I don't have any more details and I appreciate your time and efforts. Karen

Pete - You are simply amazing !!! I Googled Ballycolliton with dozens of various spellings and couldn't find a darn thing regarding a location!! Thanks. It looks like I am going to be driving all over the place when I visit in May. William Cleburne & Grace Perry had 3 sons, two of whom show up living at Derrysallagh and Bonnydubber in 1775. Would you perhaps have a location for these places too?? Thanks so much, Karen PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: >Karen at jessandrak@netscape.net writes: > ><< William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. >> > >Karen, > >As usual, I'm sticking to the non-genealogical items. The ruins of >Ballycolliton Castle (actually a tower house) are in Ballycolliton townland, about 6 >miles nearly due north of Nenagh town (and a few miles further from the "wrong" >Kilboy). From the 1654-6 Civil Survey, "old little castle ye walls onely >standing". Also, the land at Ballycolliton was divided between several landowners >including "Sr Nicholas White Kt pprietor in fee by purchas from Edmond Kenedy >of Ballycollatan long before the Rebellion (as wee are informed)..... John >Hurly pprietor in fee by purchas from Mortagh O Bryen of Annagh long before the >Rebellion (as wee are informed)...... Rory Kenedy pprietor in fee by dexcent >from his Ancestors". Survey info from 'Archaeological Inventory of North >Tipperary'. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > >

>From: "Kevin and June" <therobos2@dodo.com.au> >Subject: re robinson >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:28:49 +1000 >I thought i had come across the email I had been waiting for all the years. > Only it was John. and benjamin. > I am search for george and his brother benjamin who were suppose to of >come in together{ Robertson] they changed their name to robinson. but we >know where george ended up with his children marrying into the thurecht >family , > but no sight of benjamin. > > June _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT

Hello Janet, Thanks for the response and yes these are the correct Jacob and Sankey families. I do have that information also plus some will excerpts but also have no mention of the Catherine you have listed married to Wm. Quillinan. I have a partial Jacob, Sankey tree but of course it is almost exclusively males noted (typical !!). The Sankey were related to the following families: MINCHIN, JACOB, LATHAM, MILLET & PERRY. If you are interested in the partial tree I have let me know and I'll be happy to pass it on. Thanks again, Karen reojan@gmail.com wrote: >Karen, I have one Sankey record. Catherine Sankey married William Quillinan >in 1772 in Fethard and they had six children there, all in the RC parish >records. Catherine had to be related to the following but I have no idea how >as she probably was disinherited and never mentioned again: > >" 1715 - 22. Jacob Sankey of Mobarnane, elected nem. con. and sworn 20th >Dec. 1715, in the room of Mathew Jacob, his father in law who Resigned in >his favour: dead before 12th March, 1721/2: Sovereign 1719/20. [will 6th >September 1721: pr. 11th June 1723. He was son of Richard Sankey of Dublin >(d. 1693), Colonel in the army of King William]. (by Mary, dau of William >Taylor of Ballynort, Co. Limerick), son of Richard Sankey of Hodnet, >Salopshire, which Richard was a brother of Col. Hierome Sankey, the >Cromwellian governor of the precinct of Clonmel. Jacob Sankey m. in Abagail >daughter. of Mathew Jacob (q.v) of St. Johnstown, and was *ancestor of the >Sankeys of Coolmore, near Fethard*. (BLG. 1879; Betham, Extracts. XXIII - >376, and Bewley, p.494 in G.O. Ireland under the Commonwealth, Dunlop, I - >27n. et passin." > >Janet > > > > > > >

Robert SOMERS B 1841 Tipperary M Margaret HEAPHY/HEAFEY B 1843 Waterford in 1866 in Jersey Channel Islands then moved to New Zealand with 2 children before 1879 .Can somebody please tell me what Townland Robert came from and where they would off left from for the Channel Islands.Thankyou Gloria.

Karen at jessandrak@netscape.net writes: Karen, > As for Bonnydubber and Derrysallagh I had assumed they were in Tipperary. < I guess I should have taken my own advice - father, sons, long ago, probably lived nearby. I plead stupidity (not beer, this time). Bunnadober townland sits right next to Ballycolliton, to the SE, and has a short, common boundary with it. It is across a parish boundary - in Cloghprior civil parish. But I still can't find a Derrysallagh. I'll keep looking, though. Pete

Hello List, I am new to researching in Ireland and am trying to track my great grandmother Ann BRYAN who emigrated to Australia in the mid-1870s. Her mother Mary who could have been Mary NAIL/NEIL/BRYAN or OBRIEN joined her daughter about 10 years later. Names fitting the above have been found on Shipping Registers in Queensland in similar time frames. On both accounts, the ships have left from Plymouth and/or London. The ladies in question were definitely Irish and from Tipperary. Was it normal for the Irish to emigrate or be recorded as leaving from England; or is it more likely that they had been living in England for some time or went there for the purposes of emigration to Queensland, Australia. I will welcome any ideas or suggestions. Estelle _________________________________________________________________ careerone.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DNWS014%2E19163%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D28927&_t=752722611&_m=EXT

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DROM & INCH- 1840 MAP The old Parishes of Drom, Inch, & Kilfithmone, were in Barony of Eliogarty; and old parish of Barnane was in Ikerrin Drom:- Ardkeen, Brookley, Clonismullen, Clonbrasil, Drom, Graigue, Kilvilcorris, Killaghagan, Knocka, Larha North, Larha South, Rathleasty, Rorardstown Upper, Rorardstown Lower. Kilfithmone:- Ballinlonty, Coolgurt, Fishmoyne, Kilfithmone. Barnane (in Ikerrin):- Barnane, Killoskehan. Inch Parish:- Annefield (in it is graveyard of Kyleanna), Ballypatrick, Bouladuff, Clonbeg, Cleykile, Clonmore, Cottage, Dovea Upper, Dovea Lower, Goldengrove, Inch, Illannumera, Lisaroon, Liscreagh, Magherareagh, Munroe, Mount-Catherine, Pallashill, Pollough[s]. Mary

Is anybody researching or come across any of the above names? The Riall, Jacob and Sankey families were prominant Presbyterian families and all these families were intermarried with my ancestors. William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. Any information regarding any of these families would be very much appreciated. I am looking specifically for info for the early to mid 1700s. Thanks, Karen

Karen at jessandrak@netscape.net writes: > I Googled Ballycolliton with dozens of various spellings and couldn't find a darn thing regarding a location!! < Karen, I forgot to mention it's in Kilbarron parish, but you probably knew that from using the www.seanruad.com website <gr>. Buy a Discovery map 59, the castle is shown on it in the very top row of grid squares, between the 84 and 85 Eastings numerals. > It looks like I am going to be driving all over the place when I visit in May. < Me, too...... but unless you're in Limerick, Kerry or Cork - and perhaps some Clare at the end of the trip - I doubt we'll pass each other on the road. > living at Derrysallagh and Bonnydubber in 1775. Would you perhaps have a location for these places too?? < There are two Derrysallaghs ("oak grove amongst the willows" - my liberal translantion) in Ireland, both of whom are way up in the hills. One Derrysallagh is in Tuosist civil parish, Co. Kerry, about 5 miles SW of Kenmare. This is in the foothills of the Caha Mts. and appears to have only 3 or 4 actual houses in the townland, plus some booleying-huts. The other Derrysallagh is in Kilmactranny civil parish in Co. Sligo, and is within a mile of so of one of the Arigna coal mines along the Sligo/Leitrim border. I think the "Bonnydubber" will take a bit of work. The "dubber" is undoubtedly "tubber" or "tober". I don't find any townlands ending in "tubber", although there are many local spellings of tober which have become tubber. And, there's always the village of Tubber on the Clare/Galway border. I went through all of the townlands ending in "tober". There are quite a few of them starting with "B" - nearly all are Ballintobers. There is one interesting one - Bunatober. It's in Annaghdown civil parish, Co. Galway, about a dozen miles due north of the City. I had hoped to find a single area in Ireland where townlands approximating Derrysallagh and Bonnydubber might exist in proximity.....but I couldn't find such a place. Do you have any idea of the county - or even the province? - where these two sons might have lived? Without a bit more information, I doubt if I can help much more on this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Karen, I have one Sankey record. Catherine Sankey married William Quillinan in 1772 in Fethard and they had six children there, all in the RC parish records. Catherine had to be related to the following but I have no idea how as she probably was disinherited and never mentioned again: " 1715 - 22. Jacob Sankey of Mobarnane, elected nem. con. and sworn 20th Dec. 1715, in the room of Mathew Jacob, his father in law who Resigned in his favour: dead before 12th March, 1721/2: Sovereign 1719/20. [will 6th September 1721: pr. 11th June 1723. He was son of Richard Sankey of Dublin (d. 1693), Colonel in the army of King William]. (by Mary, dau of William Taylor of Ballynort, Co. Limerick), son of Richard Sankey of Hodnet, Salopshire, which Richard was a brother of Col. Hierome Sankey, the Cromwellian governor of the precinct of Clonmel. Jacob Sankey m. in Abagail daughter. of Mathew Jacob (q.v) of St. Johnstown, and was *ancestor of the Sankeys of Coolmore, near Fethard*. (BLG. 1879; Betham, Extracts. XXIII - 376, and Bewley, p.494 in G.O. Ireland under the Commonwealth, Dunlop, I - 27n. et passin." Janet On 2/9/06, Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> wrote: > > Is anybody researching or come across any of the above names? > > The Riall, Jacob and Sankey families were prominant Presbyterian > families and all these families were intermarried with my ancestors. > > William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The > Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. > > Any information regarding any of these families would be very much > appreciated. I am looking specifically for info for the early to mid > 1700s. > > Thanks, > Karen > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > >

Karen at jessandrak@netscape.net writes: << William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. >> Karen, As usual, I'm sticking to the non-genealogical items. The ruins of Ballycolliton Castle (actually a tower house) are in Ballycolliton townland, about 6 miles nearly due north of Nenagh town (and a few miles further from the "wrong" Kilboy). From the 1654-6 Civil Survey, "old little castle ye walls onely standing". Also, the land at Ballycolliton was divided between several landowners including "Sr Nicholas White Kt pprietor in fee by purchas from Edmond Kenedy of Ballycollatan long before the Rebellion (as wee are informed)..... John Hurly pprietor in fee by purchas from Mortagh O Bryen of Annagh long before the Rebellion (as wee are informed)...... Rory Kenedy pprietor in fee by dexcent from his Ancestors". Survey info from 'Archaeological Inventory of North Tipperary'. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hello Carol, I too have been in search of a good source of Tipperary history. The best tipperary book I have found is called: "Tipperary History & Society", published by : Geography Publications edited by: William Nolan and Thomas McGrath. It is very comprehensive and deals with history more than genealogy. But it has some families in it. Do a search for "geography publications" there is a book for most of the modern countys Good luck! Clayton Cannaday >From: IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #52 >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:17:25 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 52 > >Today's Topics: > #1 SOMERS / HEAPHY/HEAFEY [Gloria Addis ><g-addis@ihug.co.nz>] > #2 Fwd: {not a subscriber} Irish Immi [Christina Hunt ><filidh@carolina.rr] > #3 Irish Emigration via London? ["Estelle Daniels" ><stelly__57@hotm] > #4 FW: re robinson ["Estelle Daniels" ><stelly__57@hotm] > #5 The best book on Tipperary history [Carol Dale ><coradsl@tpg.com.au>] > #6 BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyk [Karen Bell ><jessandrak@netscape.ne] > #7 Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, S [Janet Crawford ><reojan@gmail.com>] > #8 Drom and Inch ["Mary Heaphy" ><tipwex@eircom.net>] > #9 Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, S [Karen Bell ><jessandrak@netscape.ne] > >Administrivia: >Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! > >To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to >IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:00:46 +1300 >From: Gloria Addis <g-addis@ihug.co.nz> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43EAB05E.3000706@ihug.co.nz> >Subject: SOMERS / HEAPHY/HEAFEY >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Robert SOMERS B 1841 Tipperary M Margaret HEAPHY/HEAFEY B 1843 >Waterford in 1866 in Jersey Channel Islands then moved to New Zealand >with 2 children before 1879 .Can somebody please tell me what Townland >Robert came from and where they would off left from for the Channel >Islands.Thankyou Gloria. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:11:26 -0500 >From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <200628221126.063410@VALUED-3253602F> >Subject: Fwd: {not a subscriber} Irish Immigrants >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Forwarded message... > >--- Original Message --- >From: "Lesley Moore" <lesleyandrobert@smartchat.net.au> >To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> >Cc: >Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:19:27 -0700 >Subject: {not a subscriber} Irish Immigrants > > >Cant find John and Benjamin ROBINSON who came to Australia from >Tipperary in the mid 1800s. I know their father was Michael and >mother Helen(Ellen) Ralph. They were not convicts and everything >else seems to go to America when looking names of immigrants up. I >do not know dates or ship or even if the brothers came together. >On their marriage certificate has 'not stated' re most things and >on the death one of them as been in the Colonies abt. 35yrs. (so >makes abt. 1855 for one). I know what happened when they were >married here to death but not before coming over. Have written >many letters etc. but have hit the proverbial brick wall. Guess >John b.abt. 1835 and Benjamin 1837. Would love some help. >Lesley > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:03:18 +1000 >From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY7-F2310DD980A06CBBA20C2AD6030@phx.gbl> >Subject: Irish Emigration via London? >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hello List, >I am new to researching in Ireland and am trying to track my great >grandmother Ann BRYAN who emigrated to Australia in the mid-1870s. Her >mother Mary who could have been Mary NAIL/NEIL/BRYAN or OBRIEN joined her >daughter about 10 years later. > >Names fitting the above have been found on Shipping Registers in >Queensland >in similar time frames. > >On both accounts, the ships have left from Plymouth and/or London. The >ladies in question were definitely Irish and from Tipperary. > >Was it normal for the Irish to emigrate or be recorded as leaving from >England; or is it more likely that they had been living in England for >some >time or went there for the purposes of emigration to Queensland, Australia. > >I will welcome any ideas or suggestions. > >Estelle > >_________________________________________________________________ >careerone.com.au >http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DNWS014%2E19163%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D28927&_t=752722611&_m=EXT > >______________________________ >X-Message: #4 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:50:23 +1000 >From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY116-F289012E4BF29C04571E32FD6030@phx.gbl> >Subject: FW: re robinson >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > >From: "Kevin and June" <therobos2@dodo.com.au> > >Subject: re robinson > >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:28:49 +1000 > > >I thought i had come across the email I had been waiting for all the >years. > > Only it was John. and benjamin. > > I am search for george and his brother benjamin who were suppose to of > >come in together{ Robertson] they changed their name to robinson. but we > >know where george ended up with his children marrying into the thurecht > >family , > > but no sight of benjamin. > > > > June > >_________________________________________________________________ >New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK >http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT > >______________________________ >X-Message: #5 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:08:45 +1100 >From: Carol Dale <coradsl@tpg.com.au> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20060209200721.00c30090@syd-mail.tpg.com.au> >Subject: The best book on Tipperary history >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Dear all, > >I have a limited budget, but want to buy one book that describes the >history of Tipperary. Does anybody have any favorites they would >recommend. I am building a library of history books for each area my >ancestors came from. > >Carol Dale >Researching Fogarty and Woodlock > >______________________________ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:28:22 +0100 >From: Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43EB3566.9010509@netscape.net> >Subject: BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyke, CLEBURNE, Jackson early 1700s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Is anybody researching or come across any of the above names? > >The Riall, Jacob and Sankey families were prominant Presbyterian >families and all these families were intermarried with my ancestors. > >William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The >Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. > >Any information regarding any of these families would be very much >appreciated. I am looking specifically for info for the early to mid >1700s. > >Thanks, >Karen > >______________________________ >X-Message: #7 >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:36:40 +0000 >From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <35bbfc2c0602090436i61cd3bb6r9c77b69dc5b7ae0e@mail.gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyke, CLEBURNE, Jackson >early 1700s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Karen, I have one Sankey record. Catherine Sankey married William Quillinan >in 1772 in Fethard and they had six children there, all in the RC parish >records. Catherine had to be related to the following but I have no idea >how >as she probably was disinherited and never mentioned again: > >" 1715 - 22. Jacob Sankey of Mobarnane, elected nem. con. and sworn 20th >Dec. 1715, in the room of Mathew Jacob, his father in law who Resigned in >his favour: dead before 12th March, 1721/2: Sovereign 1719/20. [will 6th >September 1721: pr. 11th June 1723. He was son of Richard Sankey of Dublin >(d. 1693), Colonel in the army of King William]. (by Mary, dau of William >Taylor of Ballynort, Co. Limerick), son of Richard Sankey of Hodnet, >Salopshire, which Richard was a brother of Col. Hierome Sankey, the >Cromwellian governor of the precinct of Clonmel. Jacob Sankey m. in >Abagail >daughter. of Mathew Jacob (q.v) of St. Johnstown, and was *ancestor of the >Sankeys of Coolmore, near Fethard*. (BLG. 1879; Betham, Extracts. XXIII - >376, and Bewley, p.494 in G.O. Ireland under the Commonwealth, Dunlop, I - >27n. et passin." > >Janet > > >On 2/9/06, Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> wrote: > > > > Is anybody researching or come across any of the above names? > > > > The Riall, Jacob and Sankey families were prominant Presbyterian > > families and all these families were intermarried with my ancestors. > > > > William Cleburne was of Ballycolliton (Ballycultan?) Castle. The > > Bagwell's were from Clonmel and later Marlfield. > > > > Any information regarding any of these families would be very much > > appreciated. I am looking specifically for info for the early to mid > > 1700s. > > > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > > Online Tipperary Census: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > > > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #8 >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:32:58 -0000 >From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000401c62d83$45b5dcf0$46865ed5@YOURA9C5C808D4> >Subject: Drom and Inch >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >DROM & INCH- 1840 MAP > > >The old Parishes of Drom, Inch, & Kilfithmone, were in Barony of Eliogarty; >and old parish of Barnane was in Ikerrin > > > >Drom:- Ardkeen, Brookley, Clonismullen, Clonbrasil, Drom, Graigue, >Kilvilcorris, Killaghagan, Knocka, Larha North, Larha South, Rathleasty, >Rorardstown Upper, Rorardstown Lower. > > > >Kilfithmone:- Ballinlonty, Coolgurt, Fishmoyne, Kilfithmone. > > > >Barnane (in Ikerrin):- Barnane, Killoskehan. > > > >Inch Parish:- Annefield (in it is graveyard of Kyleanna), Ballypatrick, >Bouladuff, Clonbeg, Cleykile, Clonmore, Cottage, Dovea Upper, Dovea Lower, >Goldengrove, Inch, Illannumera, Lisaroon, Liscreagh, Magherareagh, Munroe, >Mount-Catherine, Pallashill, Pollough[s]. > >Mary > >______________________________ >X-Message: #9 >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:17:10 +0100 >From: Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43EB5CF6.4040504@netscape.net> >Subject: Re: [TIP] BAGWELL, Riall, JACOB, Sankey, Pyke, CLEBURNE, Jackson > early 1700s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello Janet, > >Thanks for the response and yes these are the correct Jacob and Sankey >families. I do have that information also plus some will excerpts but >also have no mention of the Catherine you have listed married to Wm. >Quillinan. I have a partial Jacob, Sankey tree but of course it is >almost exclusively males noted (typical !!). > >The Sankey were related to the following families: MINCHIN, JACOB, >LATHAM, MILLET & PERRY. > >If you are interested in the partial tree I have let me know and I'll be >happy to pass it on. >Thanks again, >Karen > >reojan@gmail.com wrote: > > >Karen, I have one Sankey record. Catherine Sankey married William >Quillinan > >in 1772 in Fethard and they had six children there, all in the RC parish > >records. Catherine had to be related to the following but I have no idea >how > >as she probably was disinherited and never mentioned again: > > > >" 1715 - 22. Jacob Sankey of Mobarnane, elected nem. con. and sworn >20th > >Dec. 1715, in the room of Mathew Jacob, his father in law who Resigned in > >his favour: dead before 12th March, 1721/2: Sovereign 1719/20. [will 6th > >September 1721: pr. 11th June 1723. He was son of Richard Sankey of >Dublin > >(d. 1693), Colonel in the army of King William]. (by Mary, dau of William > >Taylor of Ballynort, Co. Limerick), son of Richard Sankey of Hodnet, > >Salopshire, which Richard was a brother of Col. Hierome Sankey, the > >Cromwellian governor of the precinct of Clonmel. Jacob Sankey m. in >Abagail > >daughter. of Mathew Jacob (q.v) of St. Johnstown, and was *ancestor of >the > >Sankeys of Coolmore, near Fethard*. (BLG. 1879; Betham, Extracts. XXIII - > >376, and Bewley, p.494 in G.O. Ireland under the Commonwealth, Dunlop, I >- > >27n. et passin." > > > >Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Thanks to those who answered my query on the port Ireland to England. regards, Anne

Forwarded message... --- Original Message --- From: "Lesley Moore" <lesleyandrobert@smartchat.net.au> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:19:27 -0700 Subject: {not a subscriber} Irish Immigrants Cant find John and Benjamin ROBINSON who came to Australia from Tipperary in the mid 1800s. I know their father was Michael and mother Helen(Ellen) Ralph. They were not convicts and everything else seems to go to America when looking names of immigrants up. I do not know dates or ship or even if the brothers came together. On their marriage certificate has 'not stated' re most things and on the death one of them as been in the Colonies abt. 35yrs. (so makes abt. 1855 for one). I know what happened when they were married here to death but not before coming over. Have written many letters etc. but have hit the proverbial brick wall. Guess John b.abt. 1835 and Benjamin 1837. Would love some help. Lesley