Hi Pete, Our group actually has copies of Historical Maps of Ireland and Tipperary History, both good references. I will obtain a copy of An Historical Geography of Ireland. We would be most interested in maps of the Kingdoms and tuatha of the regions (pre1200 to 1600). If you are aware of any publications that descibe such maps or even pronounced descriptions of those areas please do forward them. It would be interesting to piece them together. Irish history is so amazingly torn and refused together that an accurate picture is sometimes lost. With the help of our members, we will reconstruct our knowledge base. Thank you for your help. Be well in Massachusetts! David >From: IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #94 >Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:00:15 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 94 > >Today's Topics: > #1 WILLIAM TALBOT ["Ellen Crehan" ><ellencrehan@bigpon] > #2 Re: In search of: Maps of Tipperar [PeteScherm@aol.com] > >Administrivia: >Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! > >To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to >IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:00:12 +1000 >From: "Ellen Crehan" <ellencrehan@bigpond.com> >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <003c01c650a2$ede0e220$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> >Subject: WILLIAM TALBOT >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Greetings All, > >My GG Grandfather WILLIAM TALBOT emigrated from Ireland to Sydney >Australia.......around 1865. > > >He married Catherine Creedon in September 1871 at St Mary's Cathedral in >Sydney. They had 10 children. > >William John Talbot Born Sydney 1872 Died 1908 >Alfred Ernest " " ' 1874 " 1875 >Michael James " 1876 1941 >Albert E " 1877 1920 >Thomas Edward " 1879 >Frederick Charles " 1881 1881 >Joseph Bede " 1882 >Winifred " 1885 >Patrick " 1887 >Bernard V ` 1890 1912 > >On some of the Birth registrations that I have for the above children >William states he is from Dublin, >other times Co. Tipperary. > >His father is said to be Michael Talbot > and mother Margaret Doyle > >Does anyone out there have any connections with these good people or any >suggestions as to how or where I may go for information about my William. > >Thanks so much > >Cheers, >Ellen in Tasmania > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:35:46 EST >From: PeteScherm@aol.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <366.7e84a9.31581ce2@aol.com> >Subject: Re: In search of: Maps of Tipperary and Offaly from Ancient times. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >David at kennedy_mailing_lists@hotmail.com writes: > > > There is a group of researchers in search of maps of the North >Tipperary >and >Offaly region(s) from the different eras of Irish history. < > >David, > >You used the word "ancient" in your subject line. I am unsure what you >would >mean by that, but I'd certainly guess that you mean prior to 1254, which >was >about the date that Limerick and Tipperary were shired from the large shire >of >Munster. Offaly wasn't separated - from Meath - and bounded until 1556. >And >back before then, you're going to get only rough maps of kingdoms, tuatha, >etc. Nothing worth calling a map (much less calling it "Tipperary" or >"Offaly"). By the time of the Down Survey (1654, or so, as I recall) maps >were made of >various baronies in Ireland - which often corresponded to county borders. >These maps are included at the back of the collected Ordnance Survey >letters of >the two counties - Offaly in 1839, Tipperary in 1840. If you look at these >barony maps, you'll see just how "imprecise" they are (I was looking for >just >the right word - but the maps resemble my 8-year old greatgranddaughter's >work ><gr>). I don't have any indications that there were border changes in >either >Tipp or Offaly since the time of the Ordnance Survey in the 1840-ish >period. >But I'd be pleased to be informed of any info to the contrary <gr>. > >Hhere are a few books which might be of some use: > >Tipperary: History and Society, from Geography Publications, William >Nolan, >editor - may be of some use to you. > >An Historical Geography of Ireland, from Academic Press, Graham and >Proudfoot, editors > >Historical Maps of Ireland, from Chartwell Books, by Michael Swift, has a >1759 map of Ireland which might be useful when enlarged enough. > >And, of course, the Down maps in the OS letters for the counties. > >I think that's about all I have. > >.............................................................................. >... >Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? 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Hi my name is Jan, Was wondering if anyone could help me, my grandfather was Patrick Francis O"Neill born in Tipperary. 1891. Parents were Michael O"Neill, and Margaret Ryan. I have a certificate of baptism and states it was the dioceses of Cashel. Could anyone tell me how obtain census and birth certs for him, as I have done England, but have been told it is very difficult to get info in Ireland. I do have a few bits of information but nothing tht can steer me in the right direction. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I now live in Canada so it is very difficult to get this as my grandfather went to England as young man and never went back there so there has been no contact at all. Hope someone can help. Jan in Canada

1910 Census N Y Kings County 22wd Brooklyn District 574 230 Prospect Park West Ryan, Christopher F. Jr. Head age 32 Ryan, Mary wife age 30 Johnston, Hannah C. mother in law age 66 wd. My Christopher was born Dec. 29, 1878 Annaholty/Birdhill Co. Tipp. It might be that he is the brother Michael my grandfather. Any information will be appreciated. Thank you Bob Ryan ryanblack@cox.net

Greetings All, My GG Grandfather WILLIAM TALBOT emigrated from Ireland to Sydney Australia.......around 1865. He married Catherine Creedon in September 1871 at St Mary's Cathedral in Sydney. They had 10 children. William John Talbot Born Sydney 1872 Died 1908 Alfred Ernest " " ' 1874 " 1875 Michael James " 1876 1941 Albert E " 1877 1920 Thomas Edward " 1879 Frederick Charles " 1881 1881 Joseph Bede " 1882 Winifred " 1885 Patrick " 1887 Bernard V ` 1890 1912 On some of the Birth registrations that I have for the above children William states he is from Dublin, other times Co. Tipperary. His father is said to be Michael Talbot and mother Margaret Doyle Does anyone out there have any connections with these good people or any suggestions as to how or where I may go for information about my William. Thanks so much Cheers, Ellen in Tasmania

Hi John, I only know that the A through L surnames are missing in the FTM CD of Griffith's Valuation (I think the M surnames are actually there) and on websites that took their data from the FTM CD. I would recommend that you use the actual Griffith's Valuation available on microfilm from the FHL, or subscribe to one of the websites offering scanned IMAGES of the actual GV. I know of no Index to the surnames of GV that contains the surnames A through L which are missing in some of the parishes of Co. Tipperary, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any. If you find an index. just check it to see if surnames common to these parishes are present in the index. For example, check Dwyer, Butler, Buckley, Crowe. There are plenty of these surnames in the actual GV for parishes such as Toem. Regards, Phil Buckley

David at kennedy_mailing_lists@hotmail.com writes: > There is a group of researchers in search of maps of the North Tipperary and Offaly region(s) from the different eras of Irish history. < David, You used the word "ancient" in your subject line. I am unsure what you would mean by that, but I'd certainly guess that you mean prior to 1254, which was about the date that Limerick and Tipperary were shired from the large shire of Munster. Offaly wasn't separated - from Meath - and bounded until 1556. And back before then, you're going to get only rough maps of kingdoms, tuatha, etc. Nothing worth calling a map (much less calling it "Tipperary" or "Offaly"). By the time of the Down Survey (1654, or so, as I recall) maps were made of various baronies in Ireland - which often corresponded to county borders. These maps are included at the back of the collected Ordnance Survey letters of the two counties - Offaly in 1839, Tipperary in 1840. If you look at these barony maps, you'll see just how "imprecise" they are (I was looking for just the right word - but the maps resemble my 8-year old greatgranddaughter's work <gr>). I don't have any indications that there were border changes in either Tipp or Offaly since the time of the Ordnance Survey in the 1840-ish period. But I'd be pleased to be informed of any info to the contrary <gr>. Hhere are a few books which might be of some use: Tipperary: History and Society, from Geography Publications, William Nolan, editor - may be of some use to you. An Historical Geography of Ireland, from Academic Press, Graham and Proudfoot, editors Historical Maps of Ireland, from Chartwell Books, by Michael Swift, has a 1759 map of Ireland which might be useful when enlarged enough. And, of course, the Down maps in the OS letters for the counties. I think that's about all I have. .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

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Hello all, There is a group of researchers in search of maps of the North Tipperary and Offaly region(s) from the different eras of Irish history. The idea is to learn more about the evolution of the modern counties and how/when the boundaries of said counties were setup and how many times there might have been major changes in boundary line. If anyone has any ides of who might be contacted that would know this kind of info please forward any recommendations or suggestions. Is there a county survey office for the countys of Ireland? Anyone? Have a great day! Be well all... David _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

--- Original Message --- From: "Tim Enright" <tenright@iolfree.ie> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:21:55 -0700 Subject: {not a subscriber} Fw: Poulmucca ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Enright To: spacelysprocket@bigpond.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Poulmucca My name is Tim Enright and I was raised in Co. Tipperary Ireland close to a cross roads called Poulmucca. Poulmucka comes from the geelic meaning "Pigs' Hole". Legend has it that the origins of the name is as follows: From a mersh adjacent to my family farm a little stream flowed for about a half mile where it went undergouund. A piglet is said to have entered the hole with the stream and reappeared where the udder gound stream joined the river suir at Cahir some six miles away - hense the name Poulmucca which translates to "Pigs Hole". Poulmucca name is now associated with a nearby cross road with a pub and some houses. Tim Enright.

Hi Phil, Im refering to the bmd index.Which gives the index for birth marriage and deaths in Ireland from 1864/68 onwards......depending on which county.Im sure the mormons have a reel of this at their family resource centres (i forget the term now)Regards,Kevin.co cork. > > Kevin, what index are you referring to? I have been searching for a Thomas > Collins, reported to be from either Carrick-on-Suir or Fethard. > He might have been alive then as his son was born about 1855 or 57. > > Thanks. Phil Collins > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Kevin, what index are you referring to? I have been searching for a Thomas Collins, reported to be from either Carrick-on-Suir or Fethard. He might have been alive then as his son was born about 1855 or 57. Thanks. Phil Collins

Hello All, I am attempting to help a 2nd cousin of mine from Wales.Her husbands Grandfather was John Francis O'Reilly born c1886 Carrick on Suir. I know I am going to have to trace his birth on the index but I was wondering if any lister had an interest in this name from Carrick on Suir. I'dbe delighted to hear from any one who might be able to help. Regards,Kevin, Co Cork ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

The next session of the Ireland Chat Room will be this Thursday, March 23rd, at 2:00pm PST. go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2 and scroll down to Chat Room Here are some of the surnames some of our recent Chat Room visitors are researching: Mulledy in Longford, Horse in Longford and Westmeath, O'Donnell in Waterford, and the following are all in Tipperary: Cleary, Young, Hanrahan, Wall, Flynn, O'Meara, Reilly, Dunbar, Henderson, Buckley, Connolly, Milnamow, McCormick, Feeney, O'Connor, O'Leary, Lanigan, Dooley, Shelley, Dagg, Mullholland, O'Dwyer, Ryan and Fitzpatrick. Some of the placenames we are researching are Ballymahon in Longford and Ballydreid, Ninemilehouse, Clogheen, Cahir, Templemore, Ardfinnan and Thurles in Tipperary. Jerry Dwyer chat room moderator

Peggy if your out there, can you get in contact. Cheers Karen, Lee, Peter & Michelle

Hello List I am seeking information on James MALONEY, he was born 1821 in Cashel, Tipperary, Ireland 1821. James married Ellen WALL born 20 Dec 1827 and died 16 Feb 1918. She was the daughter of Michael WALL and Alice BARRETT both of Ireland. They immigrated abt. 1849 and settled in Dover, Randolph, N.J. Children of James and Ellen are William, Michael, John, James, Mary, Thomas Henry, Edward, Anna, Bridget and Richard. Thomas Henry was my g-grandfather. According to the 1900 census, Ellen and James had 13 children however I only know of 10. At the time of the 1900 census only 8 were still living. Thanks - Barb in AZ

I am looking for the following family in Tipperary before 1814. I think they were farmers, and I think they were Methodist. Any information will be appreciated: William Howard married niece of Rev George Whitefield prior to 1790. Children: Thomas Howard (emigrated to Ontario) Charles Howard (emigrated to USA) William Howard (b. 1790) m. Sarah Golding (or Goulding) (emigrated to Canada in 1814) James Howard (emigrated to Australia) Mrs. ? Harrison (emigrated to Ontario) Janice Tanche

Hello again, List, Thanks to Janet, Laraine, Tom & Erin, I now have a great deal more info regarding travelling in Tipp. It seems the bus is out but one contact said she found it easy to find someone to hire for the day for a reasonable price. I really appreciate everyone's input and their other important suggestions. Gladys in Alberta

Greetings to all, Just used TFHR.to research these names. While they confirmed what I already knew there was nothing new. My ancestors are named in Annacarty by Griffiths, and 1901/1911 Census. Stated place of birth for both Gt. G.P.was Co. Tipperary. Could this indicate North Tipperary as an area of search for pre-1864? Both names have been found in Directories etc. prior to known dates in Thurles and surrounds also in Ardfinnan and Waterford . The names were also mentioned as Constables in court reports. Any ideas for breaching this brick wall are welcome. Best regards. Kath kathb@xtra.co.nz 2006-03-18

Hello List, I wonder if someone who knows the Tipperary area about 40 miles around Cashel could give me some pointers on how to find my ancestors farms and graveyards where they are buried? I will be staying at a self-catering cottage 2 miles from Tipperary town and will need to travel to New Birmingham and Kilcooly Abbey and New Park townland or a small place called 'The Commons' looking for family of 'Switzers' who farmed there before 1831. I am a senior and absolutely will not rent a car. Also I need to search for the ancestral Cowin/Cowan land SE of Cashel near Rosegreen and any Church of Ireland graveyards in the area. My questions are these: 1- How easy is it to travel by bus to these places..would there only one bus a day travelling to New Birmingham or Littleton and would the bus even go to somewhere small like the Commons? Likewise to Rosegreen? 2-Is there any other way to find the land my ancestors farmed or would that info have to be found at the Land Registry office in Dublin? 3- Is there anyway to do an on-line search for old Church of Ireland graveyards in the vicinity of Rosegreen? Please contact me privately with any and all suggestions you folks might have. Thank you so much for your time and ideas. Gladys in Alberta gladsl@xplornet.com

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