Hi List, Just a quick note as I have recently returned from my first visit to Ireland. I had a great time and drove a fair amount (1400 miles) for a first timer. It paid off to have done a fair amount of research and reading before the trip. It also served me well to have made inquiries and notes well in advance. Last but not least, I received a lot of help and assistance from the local people and even from long time connections to this List (met several for the first time and even some from the States!). There is nothing like seeing the family areas (in general or specific) to understand the names, places, associations, proximities, etc. Slainte! Scott

Dear Geralyn: First of all, my thanks for your history lesson on the silk mills! Yes, those are my relatives. My grandfather, Edward Donnelly was first a loom fixer (that's how he invented the loom lock (though he wasn't given the patent...that went to the mill.) Margaret was my mother, Edward worked for Duponts (T.V.s when it was invented) Francis became a politician and inn owner in California, and John (the baby) just passed away at 82 years old. Yes, the Thomas Donnellys first settled in Manchester, Hartford, Conn. where all the family worked in the silk mill...his wife, Mary Smith was from Belfast and was a lace weaver before they married. No, I don't have Edward & Catherines' marriage certificate. I believe they were married in Wortendyke, N.J.where my great-grandfather, John Cavanagh had a gentlemans farm. My mother was born there. John Cavanagh was a character...he ran away with Auntie Bells' "ladys' maid", Ellen Brennan, my great-grandmother. He was disowned for a few years but eventually Auntie Bell forgave and bought John a gentlemans farm in Wortendyke, N.J. They had 7 children: Catherine,b.Oct.1882, N.Y.C. Charles b, Aug, 1880, N.Y.C. Margaret,b.Nov. 1885, N.Y.C. Ellen, b.Mar. 1888, N.Y.C. Anastasia,b.Aug. 1890, Wortendyke, N.J. Maddeline b, March 1891, Wortendke, N.J. Grace,b.Nov.1896, Wortendyke, N.J. John was murdered by a thief many years later. I wish I knew just which parish our Cavanaghs were from. Because of the unusual circumstances (being taken in by the Bells) it's been difficult. I know that their mother was a sister to Auntie Bell. Auntie Bell had no children and was married to Charles Bell, a brother-in-law and 1st cousin to Alexander Graham Bell. I believe Charles Bells wifes' name was Grace Hubbard. The Bells and Hubbards were from Scotland which is probably why John was born there. I haven't been able to find anything yet...but I know her Will was in the N.Y.Library because my mother saw it. I hope by posting this that one of the descendants of Johns' siblings will recognize the circumstances and get in touch with me. Auntie Bell wanted all the siblings to enter the convent or seminary, so they all ran away when they were old enough. Charles disappeared to sea, I believe. Catherine married a New York actor and died young in poverty and the other two, I don't even know their names. It's interesting about your Kavanagh marrying a Donnelly from Paterson. There was another Donnelly family living in Paterson at the time my family was there. I, also would like to continue this off-line, for there is more but this already has been too long! Thank you for looking up the census' Geralyn, and for taking an interest. I'm grateful! Peace! Kathryn -------------- Original message -------------- From: Geralyn Barry <gbarry@proaxis.com> > Kathryn, have you found your Edward and Catherine (nee Cavanagh) > Donnelly in any US census records? How about her Cavanagh family? Do you > have a marriage record for Edward and Catherine? Did they marry in New > Jersey? > > In the 1920 census, I found a loom fixer (silk mill) named Edward > Donnelly with a wife Catherine who was a doubler (silk mill). With them > were children Margaret 14, Edward 12 and Francis ["daughter"] age 10. > The census listed the birthplace of the children as New Jersey. Edward > was 43 and born in Connecticut, and Catherine was 37 and born in New > York. They were living in the First Ward of Paterson. > > In 1930, they were living in the Second Ward of Paterson at 38 Redwood > Avenue with children Edward C. 22, Frances J. ["son"] 20 and John 8. > Edward was a foreman in the silk mill and Katherine's occupation was > "none". Edward worked in a radio store and Francis as a salesman in a > furniture store. > > I found the same family in Paterson in 1910 also. > > It appears that the Donnelly family worked in the silk mills of > Manchester, Connecticutt before they moved to Paterson. > > Are these your family? > > There was a Donnelly connection in my own family, although I don't know > if they are related to yours in any way. Annie Cavanagh (b. abt 1870 in > NJ) was the daughter of Stephen Cavanagh (b. 1838, brother of my > gg-gfather John Cavanagh b. 1825). Both were sons of Daniel Cavanagh and > Ellen (nee Keyes) from the civil parish of Killavinoge, Co. Tipperary > (along the Laois border). In 1902, Annie married George Beirne, son of > Michael Beirne and Eliza Donnelly, in Paterson. > > There was a connection by marriage between another Kavanagh family that > lived in Paterson and a Donnelly family. I'll continue this > correspondence offlist... > > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon > > kenorman22@comcast.net wrote: > > >My great-grandfather John Cavanagh,b.1852,(not sure if the family was from > Tipperary) was born in Scotland though his father was from Ireland. The siblings > were also born in Ireland. When the mother died, 5 Cavanagh siblings were taken > in by the Bell family of New York City...while John eventually moved to > Wortendyke, (Midland Park) New Jersey... his daughter, Catherine, worked as a > silk weaver in Paterson, N.J. I believe her siblings may have also. Catherine > married Edward Donnelly, whose father, Thomas Donnelly,b.1835 was from > Tipperary. All of the Donnelly siblings also worked in the silk mills in > Paterson, N. J. > > I have tried to research my Cavanaghs though it's been difficult. I know > that besides my great-grandfather, John, there was , Catherine & Charles ( the > other two names I don't know.) Perhaps there is nothing to this...but when you > mentioned Paterson, New Jersey, where my grandmother (Cavanagh) and grandfather > Donnelly settled. I believe the silk mills were the draw for these > families...for Paterson was the silk capitol of the world at this time. > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and > everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on > your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time > will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and > Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in > Wellington. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm >

The family of William James Carew of Thurles, Tipperary also landed for awhile in Patterson , before heading out to Outagamie, Wisconsin, then some members later onto Illinois. You can see them in the census for 1850 in Patterson. Williams James was a member of the British Army in the 98th foot regiment from 1804-1818, recruited from Thurles with many other Tipperary residents. There is a ships record on Ancestry of a James immigrating in 1850. Another brother had son George Carew who fought for the 20th Illinois, who at Sherman's side did all the damage to us southerners at Kennesaw Mountain, Georgia; a ferocious decisive battle in the Civil War. The Carew family still has Wisconsin and Illinois ties. Jean

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Kathryn, have you found your Edward and Catherine (nee Cavanagh) Donnelly in any US census records? How about her Cavanagh family? Do you have a marriage record for Edward and Catherine? Did they marry in New Jersey? In the 1920 census, I found a loom fixer (silk mill) named Edward Donnelly with a wife Catherine who was a doubler (silk mill). With them were children Margaret 14, Edward 12 and Francis ["daughter"] age 10. The census listed the birthplace of the children as New Jersey. Edward was 43 and born in Connecticut, and Catherine was 37 and born in New York. They were living in the First Ward of Paterson. In 1930, they were living in the Second Ward of Paterson at 38 Redwood Avenue with children Edward C. 22, Frances J. ["son"] 20 and John 8. Edward was a foreman in the silk mill and Katherine's occupation was "none". Edward worked in a radio store and Francis as a salesman in a furniture store. I found the same family in Paterson in 1910 also. It appears that the Donnelly family worked in the silk mills of Manchester, Connecticutt before they moved to Paterson. Are these your family? There was a Donnelly connection in my own family, although I don't know if they are related to yours in any way. Annie Cavanagh (b. abt 1870 in NJ) was the daughter of Stephen Cavanagh (b. 1838, brother of my gg-gfather John Cavanagh b. 1825). Both were sons of Daniel Cavanagh and Ellen (nee Keyes) from the civil parish of Killavinoge, Co. Tipperary (along the Laois border). In 1902, Annie married George Beirne, son of Michael Beirne and Eliza Donnelly, in Paterson. There was a connection by marriage between another Kavanagh family that lived in Paterson and a Donnelly family. I'll continue this correspondence offlist... Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon kenorman22@comcast.net wrote: >My great-grandfather John Cavanagh,b.1852,(not sure if the family was from Tipperary) was born in Scotland though his father was from Ireland. The siblings were also born in Ireland. When the mother died, 5 Cavanagh siblings were taken in by the Bell family of New York City...while John eventually moved to Wortendyke, (Midland Park) New Jersey... his daughter, Catherine, worked as a silk weaver in Paterson, N.J. I believe her siblings may have also. Catherine married Edward Donnelly, whose father, Thomas Donnelly,b.1835 was from Tipperary. All of the Donnelly siblings also worked in the silk mills in Paterson, N. J. > I have tried to research my Cavanaghs though it's been difficult. I know that besides my great-grandfather, John, there was , Catherine & Charles ( the other two names I don't know.) Perhaps there is nothing to this...but when you mentioned Paterson, New Jersey, where my grandmother (Cavanagh) and grandfather Donnelly settled. I believe the silk mills were the draw for these families...for Paterson was the silk capitol of the world at this time. >

Yes, Paterson, New Jersey was the silk capitol of the US - "Silk City", as it was called. Mills were one of the biggest employers of the Irish in Paterson. There were other mills as well - flax and cotton mainly, and some wool. But silk was what Paterson was really known for - ribbons and broad silk (cloth). My understanding is that the textile industry in Ireland in the 1800s operated on a tiny scale compared to England, which had a very highly developed textile industry. Many Irish (some from Tipperary, I'm sure) migrated to England to work in the mills there. After a few years there, some of them came to Paterson or to other mill towns in the eastern US. There were many silk mills at Macclesfield (Cheshire), England in particular. A great number of English (and Irish) silk workers from Macclesfield emigrated to Paterson, especially in the 1870s through 1900. Paterson also attracted silk workers from France and Italy. But there was a very close relationship between Paterson and Macclesfield. You can read two interesting articles (views from both sides of the Atlantic) at http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/s/93/93121_james_unearths_paterson_predecessors.html and http://www.nps.gov/nero/greatfalls/greatfalls.htm Or just Google "silk mills" Macclesfield Paterson and you will get a bunch of hits. There were both skilled and unskilled jobs in the silk industry. I would guess that some of the skilled workers (like weavers and loom fixers) might have worked in England before they came to Paterson. Many of these were English. Those with no previous textile experience might also work their way up to the skilled positions. Children often started in unskilled positions at young ages - 10 or 11 (sometimes even younger). My grandmother Maggie Farrell worked as a bobbin winder (like many young girls) in the 1890s. She was underage, so when the inspectors would come around, she and the other youngsters were hidden in large boxes on the factory floor. Her brother John Farrell eventually worked his way up to become a loom fixer. Many of my other relatives worked in the locomotive factories in Paterson. Because of all the machinery used in the factories in Paterson, other industries that employed metal workers and machinists. Many Irish who came to the US between the 1840s and 1860s spent enough time in Paterson to earn some money, then headed west to farm, or moved elsewhere. I have a file that I call "Paterson Irish transients" where I collect references to farmers in Iowa, business owners in San Francisco, etc. whose families had spent a few years in Paterson after arriving in the US from Ireland. Kathryn, I will reply to you in private about the Cavanaghs and Donnellys of Paterson. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon kenorman22@comcast.net wrote: > I believe the silk mills were the draw for these families...for > Paterson was the silk capitol of the world at this time. > Also, since this is the Tipperary mailing list...I wondered where in > Tipperary there were silk mills....for it seems my whole Celtic family > were silk weavers.( My grandfather Donnelly invented the loom lock.) > I would be most grateful for any information on these matters. > Peace! > Kathryn E. Norman > >

Geralyn: My great-grandfather John Cavanagh,b.1852,(not sure if the family was from Tipperary) was born in Scotland though his father was from Ireland. The siblings were also born in Ireland. When the mother died, 5 Cavanagh siblings were taken in by the Bell family of New York City...while John eventually moved to Wortendyke, (Midland Park) New Jersey... his daughter, Catherine, worked as a silk weaver in Paterson, N.J. I believe her siblings may have also. Catherine married Edward Donnelly, whose father, Thomas Donnelly,b.1835 was from Tipperary. All of the Donnelly siblings also worked in the silk mills in Paterson, N. J. I have tried to research my Cavanaghs though it's been difficult. I know that besides my great-grandfather, John, there was , Catherine & Charles ( the other two names I don't know.) Perhaps there is nothing to this...but when you mentioned Paterson, New Jersey, where my grandmother (Cavanagh) and grandfather Donnelly settled. I believe the silk mills were the draw for these families...for Paterson was the silk capitol of the world at this time. Also, since this is the Tipperary mailing list...I wondered where in Tipperary there were silk mills....for it seems my whole Celtic family were silk weavers.( My grandfather Donnelly invented the loom lock.) I would be most grateful for any information on these matters. Peace! Kathryn E. Norman -------------- Original message -------------- From: Geralyn Barry <gbarry@proaxis.com> > I have an interest in Cavanaghs and Purcells in the > Tipperary/Laois/Kilkenny border areas. > > Michael Farrell and Catherine (Kitty) PURCELL had at least 3 children > baptized in Aghaboe parish, Co. Laois (townland: Grange) between 1811 > and 1818, including Julia (Judith), who married William HAROLD there in > 1845. William was the brother of my ggg-gfather Edward Harold ("native > of Co. Tipperary", according to his gravestone). Edward and William were > living in Laois - in the civil parishes of Donaghmore and Rathdowney - > in the 1840s. Members of the Farrell and Harold families emigrated to > the US in the 1850s and settled in Minnesota and in Paterson, Passaic > County, New Jersey. There were Purcells living in Paterson also, but I > have not confirmed a connection. > > My CAVANAGH (KAVANAGH) family came from the same area of Ireland - only > about 4 miles from where the HAROLDs were living - but in Co. Tipperary. > Daniel CAVANAGH and his wife Ellen KEYS ( KEYES ) had 11 children > baptized in the Catholic parish of Templemore/Clonmore (Co. Tipperary) > between 1823 and 1845. The family lived at Clonboo (Clonbuogh), which is > on the Tipperary-Laois border near the town of Templemore. They also > settled in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey in the 1850s. A Kieran > Kavanagh served as a baptismal sponsor for the family in 1823, and a > Mary Kavanagh in 1835. A Thomas Kavanagh was also living in the area - > he appears in the Tithe Applotments. I have not been able to determine > the relationship between these people. (Some members of the Cavanagh > family also settled in Minnesota later.) > > I have more records for these families in Ireland and in the US if > anyone is interested. > > I collect records from the Tipperary-Laois-Kilkenny border areas that > mention the surnames HAROLD, KAVANAGH (CAVANAGH) and KEY(E)S. I also > trace all people with those surnames (and many other Irish) who lived in > Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey. Many families from this border > area in Ireland settled in Paterson. > > Any connections? > > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon > > CCavan1900@aol.com wrote: > > >I will be mainly in Carlow but have family in Durrow parish Kilkenny, > >looking for my Purcells. > > > >Charlie Cavanaugh > >Coventry, RI > >Searching C/KAVANAGH Ireland and Newfoundland > >PURCELL Co. Laois, Kilkenny, New York, Boston areas > >CORCORAN Co. Tipperary, & ? > > > > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > >>Watch those SUBJECT headings! When the topic changes - change the subject<< >

Karen, Did you get to the old cemetery in Newcastle? There are some Perry headstones there in fairly good shape. They are basically in a protected area. If you didn't, I know that I have some photos of the headstones. My husband & I visited Ireland twice and had the opportunity to take numerous photos. The first trip was with our grandson who was 15 at the time - Marcus Perry. He got a laugh out of the fact that the Newcastle Perry's were "gentry" while the Hally side were not. Sandra Hawley -----Original Message----- From: Karen Bell [mailto:jessandrak@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:14 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TIP] Re: Trip to Tipperary report The family originally lived near Newcastle and Clonmel and later spread out all over Tipperary. My direct line ended up near Killenaule but the cousins lived near Cahir and another line was up in Modreeny, Cloughjordan. Karen marymh@optonline.net wrote: > > Which part of Tipp was/is your family from? > > Mary > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

Hi Kathryn, Thanks for writing... very interesting! I wish I could look into this right now, but I am helping to host a reception for the opening of an art show this evening and need to leave - now! I will try to get back to you later tonight... Regards, Geralyn kenorman22@comcast.net wrote: >Geralyn: > My great-grandfather John Cavanagh,b.1852,(not sure if the family was from Tipperary) was born in Scotland though his father was from Ireland. The siblings were also born in Ireland. When the mother died, 5 Cavanagh siblings were taken in by the Bell family of New York City...while John eventually moved to Wortendyke, (Midland Park) New Jersey... his daughter, Catherine, worked as a silk weaver in Paterson, N.J. I believe her siblings may have also. Catherine married Edward Donnelly, whose father, Thomas Donnelly,b.1835 was from Tipperary. All of the Donnelly siblings also worked in the silk mills in Paterson, N. J. > I have tried to research my Cavanaghs though it's been difficult. I know that besides my great-grandfather, John, there was , Catherine & Charles ( the other two names I don't know.) Perhaps there is nothing to this...but when you mentioned Paterson, New Jersey, where my grandmother (Cavanagh) and grandfather Donnelly settled. I believe the silk mills were the draw for these families...for Paterson was the silk capitol of the world at this time. > Also, since this is the Tipperary mailing list...I wondered where in Tipperary there were silk mills....for it seems my whole Celtic family were silk weavers.( My grandfather Donnelly invented the loom lock.) > I would be most grateful for any information on these matters. > Peace! > Kathryn E. Norman >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Geralyn Barry <gbarry@proaxis.com> > > > >>I have an interest in Cavanaghs and Purcells in the >>Tipperary/Laois/Kilkenny border areas. >> >>Michael Farrell and Catherine (Kitty) PURCELL had at least 3 children >>baptized in Aghaboe parish, Co. Laois (townland: Grange) between 1811 >>and 1818, including Julia (Judith), who married William HAROLD there in >>1845. William was the brother of my ggg-gfather Edward Harold ("native >>of Co. Tipperary", according to his gravestone). Edward and William were >>living in Laois - in the civil parishes of Donaghmore and Rathdowney - >>in the 1840s. Members of the Farrell and Harold families emigrated to >>the US in the 1850s and settled in Minnesota and in Paterson, Passaic >>County, New Jersey. There were Purcells living in Paterson also, but I >>have not confirmed a connection. >> >>My CAVANAGH (KAVANAGH) family came from the same area of Ireland - only >>about 4 miles from where the HAROLDs were living - but in Co. Tipperary. >>Daniel CAVANAGH and his wife Ellen KEYS ( KEYES ) had 11 children >>baptized in the Catholic parish of Templemore/Clonmore (Co. Tipperary) >>between 1823 and 1845. The family lived at Clonboo (Clonbuogh), which is >>on the Tipperary-Laois border near the town of Templemore. They also >>settled in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey in the 1850s. A Kieran >>Kavanagh served as a baptismal sponsor for the family in 1823, and a >>Mary Kavanagh in 1835. A Thomas Kavanagh was also living in the area - >>he appears in the Tithe Applotments. I have not been able to determine >>the relationship between these people. (Some members of the Cavanagh >>family also settled in Minnesota later.) >> >>I have more records for these families in Ireland and in the US if >>anyone is interested. >> >>I collect records from the Tipperary-Laois-Kilkenny border areas that >>mention the surnames HAROLD, KAVANAGH (CAVANAGH) and KEY(E)S. I also >>trace all people with those surnames (and many other Irish) who lived in >>Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey. Many families from this border >>area in Ireland settled in Paterson. >> >>Any connections? >> >>Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon >> >>CCavan1900@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>I will be mainly in Carlow but have family in Durrow parish Kilkenny, >>>looking for my Purcells. >>> >>>Charlie Cavanaugh >>>Coventry, RI >>>Searching C/KAVANAGH Ireland and Newfoundland >>>PURCELL Co. Laois, Kilkenny, New York, Boston areas >>>CORCORAN Co. Tipperary, & ? >>> >>> >>> >>>

Kathleen, Actually more people joined our trip than I had ever expected and only around 4 persons couldn't make it. The eldest was 89 and the youngest 36. I rented two self-catering houses at Grenane on the Mansergh Estate near Tipperary town. Both are 4 star accommodations with 3 bedrooms each sleeping up to 6 per house. The houses were lovely with a modern kitchen and beautiful formal dining room with a huge table that could seat 8 (or more as we found out). The houses were very inexspensive and we only paid 250 Euros per week each for the whole house. The other guests stayed at various Bed & Breakfasts and Guesthouses in and around Tipperary Town and towards the Glen of Aherlow. After getting used to driving it took about 20 minutes to Cashel or Cahir and about 35 to Clonmel from our house. I was recommended the caterer from the proprietor of our house and we had settled the details before I went to Ireland. She had a fantastic slection of menus to choose from and delivered the food to our house with dishes and cutlery etc. It was wonderful food and although we could have ordered a cheaper menu we spoiled everyone and selected one that ended up costing 26 euros per person (including delivery & dishes). The caterer came from the Clonmel area. If you are interested in her e-mail let me know. As for our "house" ... it was great and everyone was very happy. The houses are actually side wings attached to the actual Mansergh House and set in 300 acres of land on a stud farm with a long drive and iron gates. Lots of horses, dogs and cats and beautiful gardens with walking paths throughout. Karen KTRACY1999@aol.com wrote: > >Karen, > >Reading your story brought back so many wonderful memories for me. > >I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoyed your report and would love to >hear more. How many of your family did you invite compared to how many >showed up? Did you make plans with the caterer before you left for Ireland? >Where did you stay and were you happy with the place? Did you all stay at the >same place? Would love to hear more... > >Kathleen~CT. > > > >

The family originally lived near Newcastle and Clonmel and later spread out all over Tipperary. My direct line ended up near Killenaule but the cousins lived near Cahir and another line was up in Modreeny, Cloughjordan. Karen marymh@optonline.net wrote: > > Which part of Tipp was/is your family from? > > Mary > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Check out the Coroners Inquests: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/inquests/index.htm >

It's Thursday, May 11th, and a little after 2 o'clock in the afternoon Pacific Daylight Time and the Ireland Chat Room is now in session! go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2 and scroll down to Chat Room Jerry Dwyer chat room moderator

I have an interest in Cavanaghs and Purcells in the Tipperary/Laois/Kilkenny border areas. Michael Farrell and Catherine (Kitty) PURCELL had at least 3 children baptized in Aghaboe parish, Co. Laois (townland: Grange) between 1811 and 1818, including Julia (Judith), who married William HAROLD there in 1845. William was the brother of my ggg-gfather Edward Harold ("native of Co. Tipperary", according to his gravestone). Edward and William were living in Laois - in the civil parishes of Donaghmore and Rathdowney - in the 1840s. Members of the Farrell and Harold families emigrated to the US in the 1850s and settled in Minnesota and in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey. There were Purcells living in Paterson also, but I have not confirmed a connection. My CAVANAGH (KAVANAGH) family came from the same area of Ireland - only about 4 miles from where the HAROLDs were living - but in Co. Tipperary. Daniel CAVANAGH and his wife Ellen KEYS ( KEYES ) had 11 children baptized in the Catholic parish of Templemore/Clonmore (Co. Tipperary) between 1823 and 1845. The family lived at Clonboo (Clonbuogh), which is on the Tipperary-Laois border near the town of Templemore. They also settled in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey in the 1850s. A Kieran Kavanagh served as a baptismal sponsor for the family in 1823, and a Mary Kavanagh in 1835. A Thomas Kavanagh was also living in the area - he appears in the Tithe Applotments. I have not been able to determine the relationship between these people. (Some members of the Cavanagh family also settled in Minnesota later.) I have more records for these families in Ireland and in the US if anyone is interested. I collect records from the Tipperary-Laois-Kilkenny border areas that mention the surnames HAROLD, KAVANAGH (CAVANAGH) and KEY(E)S. I also trace all people with those surnames (and many other Irish) who lived in Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey. Many families from this border area in Ireland settled in Paterson. Any connections? Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon CCavan1900@aol.com wrote: >I will be mainly in Carlow but have family in Durrow parish Kilkenny, >looking for my Purcells. > >Charlie Cavanaugh >Coventry, RI >Searching C/KAVANAGH Ireland and Newfoundland >PURCELL Co. Laois, Kilkenny, New York, Boston areas >CORCORAN Co. Tipperary, & ? > >

I certainly can relate to the driving situation! I thought I would never stop driving on the curbs or scraping the hedges. But in a couple days I was whizzing along, I thought, although people behind me didn't think I was going fast enough. I was in the Borris, Carlow area for a reunion in Sept. 2004 and can't wait 'til October to return! Everyone I met was so helpful and friendly!!!! I plan on visiting some local areas and take pictures of family stones. Any requests? I will be mainly in Carlow but have family in Durrow parish Kilkenny, looking for my Purcells. Charlie Cavanaugh Coventry, RI Searching C/KAVANAGH Ireland and Newfoundland PURCELL Co. Laois, Kilkenny, New York, Boston areas CORCORAN Co. Tipperary, & ?

Dear list, Just a short vacatiion report on my trip to Tipperary from May 2nd until May 9th. I just returned from my 1st genealogical visit to Tipperary and although the weather was cold, windy and rainy all week I had a wonderful time and have already fallen in love with the landscape and people of the area. It took two days to get used to driving on the wrong side AND the hedgerows and walls make it much worse BUT aftera few days I felt like a professional ... even with a stick shift and didn't really have a problem at all. I had organised a family reunion for Perry family descendants and we had almost 20 persons from Canada, the US and England that met along with the last of the Irish Perry descendants who showed us around and took us to places and cemeteries that no tourist ever would have found without help. I had organised a caterer and we had a wonderful dinner for everyone which included the best salmon (fresh from the river Suir) that any of us ever had. Everyone we met was more than helpful and soooo friendly and after the news spread of our groups' arrival we even received invitations to visit various families and estates because they "just wanted to meet us". I have never met such a friendly folk!! I admit I didn't get to as much genealogy as I had hoped to as I was busy welcoming the other descendants who were arriving and organising the activities and party but I made some great new acquaintances and have been invited back with my family this fall to really explore things. I did find the ruins of the old Perry homestead from 1763 until 1827 and Perry's Holy Well but was very dissapointed that the cemeteries are in such bad shape that many are almost unaccesable and the gravestones are literally unreadable. Even some stones from 1950 were practically illegible probably due to the wet climate and I realise I must learn to take rubbings or chalk if I want to read the old stones. I don't know how to do this yet and my newest project will be to learn more about that. I have never met so many friendly persons though and it was sad to leave so soon ... just as the sun came out :-) Regarding looking for records at a Heritage Center or at the Bolton Library etc ... I was rather dissapointed ... on the other hand, in Dublin at the Registry of Deeds I found alot of information, at least for the early ancestors (ca. 1700-1800) and this is what I was looking for. as the silly little things that happened or the Perry oriented info won't interest you all but I must add a few things .... sheep mow the lawns in some of the cemeteries .... we were chased by bulls while crossing to another cemetery .... and we were invited to tea by almost everybody. If anyone plans to visit the area I can also recommend some lovely accomodations ... and that's the end of my report. Karen

Sorry no ... I didn't notice any but admit I wasn't looking for any either. Karen pollard_patrick@emc.com wrote: >Karen, >Did you happen to see any Pollard grave markers? >Thanks, >Pat > > > > >

Which part of Tipp was/is your family from? Mary

Karen, Reading your story brought back so many wonderful memories for me. I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoyed your report and would love to hear more. How many of your family did you invite compared to how many showed up? Did you make plans with the caterer before you left for Ireland? Where did you stay and were you happy with the place? Did you all stay at the same place? Would love to hear more... Kathleen~CT. From: Karen Bell <jessandrak@netscape.net> To: _IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com) Subject: Trip to Tipperary report Dear list, Just a short vacatiion report on my trip to Tipperary from May 2nd until May 9th. I just returned from my 1st genealogical visit to Tipperary and although the weather was cold, windy and rainy all week I had a wonderful time and have already fallen in love with the landscape and people of the area. It took two days to get used to driving on the wrong side AND the hedgerows and walls make it much worse BUT aftera few days I felt like a professional ... even with a stick shift and didn't really have a problem at all. I had organised a family reunion for Perry family descendants and we had almost 20 persons from Canada, the US and England that met along with the last of the Irish Perry descendants who showed us around and took us to places and cemeteries that no tourist ever would have found without help. I had organised a caterer and we had a wonderful dinner for everyone which included the best salmon (fresh from the river Suir) that any of us ever had. Everyone we met was more than helpful and soooo friendly and after the news spread of our groups' arrival we even received invitations to visit various families and estates because they "just wanted to meet us". I have never met such a friendly folk!! I admit I didn't get to as much genealogy as I had hoped to as I was busy welcoming the other descendants who were arriving and organising the activities and party but I made some great new acquaintances and have been invited back with my family this fall to really explore things. I did find the ruins of the old Perry homestead from 1763 until 1827 and Perry's Holy Well but was very dissapointed that the cemeteries are in such bad shape that many are almost unaccesable and the gravestones are literally unreadable. Even some stones from 1950 were practically illegible probably due to the wet climate and I realise I must learn to take rubbings or chalk if I want to read the old stones. I don't know how to do this yet and my newest project will be to learn more about that. I have never met so many friendly persons though and it was sad to leave so soon ... just as the sun came out :-) Regarding looking for records at a Heritage Center or at the Bolton Library etc ... I was rather dissapointed ... on the other hand, in Dublin at the Registry of Deeds I found alot of information, at least for the early ancestors (ca. 1700-1800) and this is what I was looking for. as the silly little things that happened or the Perry oriented info won't interest you all but I must add a few things .... sheep mow the lawns in some of the cemeteries .... we were chased by bulls while crossing to another cemetery .... and we were invited to tea by almost everybody. If anyone plans to visit the area I can also recommend some lovely accomodations ... and that's the end of my report. Karen

Hi everyone, I just returned from a week in cold and rainy Tipperary and have some photos of gravestones in case anyone is interested. Please contact me offline and I will be happy to send you a copy. I have a Fitzgerald stone from Buolick graveyard with a John who died at age 80 in 1874 along with wife Catherine and an Edmond, Thomas, Ellen, James, Timothy and Johanna. I also have a Toppin/Ryall stone from Magorban graveyard with Thomas Toppin & Richard Ryall and other Ryalls. From Ballinure Graveyard I have William & Eliza Norris - erected by their daughter Mary Ann Perry, as well as Thomas Perry and wife Maria Sparrow. I have more pictures that need to be developed and will pass on any other gravestones info when I get them back. Karen PS. I also found a "backyard" graveyard full of SPARROWS and HAYDENS if anyone is researching them. >

Karen, Did you happen to see any Pollard grave markers? Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: IRL-TIPPERARY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Bell Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:57 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Gravestone pictures for Fitzgerald, Ryall & Toppin & Sparrow & Norris Hi everyone, I just returned from a week in cold and rainy Tipperary and have some photos of gravestones in case anyone is interested. Please contact me offline and I will be happy to send you a copy. I have a Fitzgerald stone from Buolick graveyard with a John who died at age 80 in 1874 along with wife Catherine and an Edmond, Thomas, Ellen, James, Timothy and Johanna. I also have a Toppin/Ryall stone from Magorban graveyard with Thomas Toppin & Richard Ryall and other Ryalls. From Ballinure Graveyard I have William & Eliza Norris - erected by their daughter Mary Ann Perry, as well as Thomas Perry and wife Maria Sparrow. I have more pictures that need to be developed and will pass on any other gravestones info when I get them back. Karen PS. I also found a "backyard" graveyard full of SPARROWS and HAYDENS if anyone is researching them. > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== IGP County Tipperary Message Board: http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1200795777