30-1-1891 At Tipperary Petty Sessions today, Michael Landers and Michael Hanly were charged with having posted boycotting notices in the town. The prisoners were remanded for 8 days. The boycotting notices were directed against the farmers and shopkeepers who recently deserted the Plan of campaign and redeemed their farms and shops. A number of tenants on the Smith-Barry property, whose cattle were recently seized for rent, have paid the full amounts, due with costs. Mary

31-3-1825 Lord Donoughmore appears, from a report of the proceedings which took place at the late Clonmel assizes, under colours which, so far as yet can be judged of, reflect no credit on his Lordship, either as a magistrate or a man. Am action was brought against the noble Lord by a Mr. Beere for an unjust and malicious exercise of his magisterial power, in employing it for the purpose of entailing on the plaintiff the penalties due to felony and Whiteboyism. Beere had detrained upon one Mr. White for rent-the cattle had been rescued. An information as to the rescue was sworn before Lord Glengall, and a warrant issued against White. To execute this warrant, the plaintif went. accompanied by constables and yeomen, in the night of the 7th of Jan. , White was missing but the horses which had been rescued were found in his stable; and they were seized by plaintiff's orders, as his property. White went with his story to Lord Donoughmore, which his Lordship turned into a charge of felony, and wrote out an information to that effect with his own hand; on which Beere was captured and thrown into prison, bail being by his Lordship refused. The bill for this felony being thrown out by the Grand Jury, another for burglary, in breaking into Whites house at night was preferred, and found by the Grand Jury. Beere was tried on this, and acquitted; and now brought his action for these acts of alleged violence and malice. It was said by the counsel, that on the face of the transactions, Lord Donoughmore knew the real merits of the case, and yet coloured them against the plaintiff, to suit some unjustifiable object. It is, at the same time, justice to add, that we have only seen the speech of the plaintiff's councel and the documents produced on his side of the question.; we are therefore not at liberty to say more than that the jury found damages against the defendant of 250? (Don't know if its shillings or pounds). But those who are acquainted with Ireland will be aware, that against a man so powerful as Lord Donoughmore, damages are seldom given for nothing. Mary

18-4-1923 Rebels Surprised. Tipperary April 17th. The scene of the capture of Dan Breen, the rebel leader, is a place called Longford, on the slopes of a range of hills parallel with the Galtees and overlooking the Glen of Aherlow. With Breen were two others, Tim Donovan, commander of a local company of irregulars, and Maurice Walsh of Mitchelstown, who, it is stated, was the late Liam Lynch's secretary. The troops came upon them by surprise and no resistance was offered. About noon to-day the attention of the troops conducting the search was attracted by a number of empty cigarette cases on the hillside. On closer inspection some fresh clay revealed an opening to a dugout. Hearing voices inside, the troops called on the occupants to surrender. Apparently the latter were in bed, for in answer to a summons Dan Breen came forward, clad only in his trousers and shirt, and said "Its all right, I am Dan Breen". He then surrended, saying that he would not have been captured alive had he not wanted to spare the lives of his two comrades. The latter, also clad only in shirts and trousers, then came forward and also surrendered, all three shaking hands with the troops. Dan Breen was one of the leaders of the IRA, during the Anglo-Irish war, and the British Government offered £10,000 for his capture, but, though several times wounded, he was not caught. Mary (Dan Breen became a TD in the Irish Government.)

The Clonmel Advertiser 18-10-1823 Sir-I beg to inform the public, through the medium of your excellent journal, that the Hon. Mr. Stanley, grandson to the Earl of Derby, has arrived at his extensive estates in the County of Tipperary. The tenants have every reason to consider the visit an auspicious one; for on all occasions he showed an anxious disposition to relieve the wants and redress the grievances of his numerous tenantry. Time and experience have proved that police establishments and coercive measures are entirely ineffectual to restore tranquility in the disturbed districts, but did landlords take example from from this young nobleman, to come in person to their estates, and make abatements suitable to the pressure of the times, we should not witness so many scenes of outrage in the South of Ireland. Nothing could equal the enthusiasm of his tenantry when chairing this amiable young nobleman through the city of Cashel on Tuesday evening last-the result of which was, that he expressed himself to them publicly in terms of heartfelt gratitude for the reception he met with from them, which he assured them he would not easily forget, and presented the more respectable among them with a donation worthy of his noble family, requesting they would distribute it to a few distressed families whom he noticed on a part of his estate. It may not be superfluous to add, that while other parts of the country were the constant scenes of outrage and insubordination to the laws, not a single outrage occurred on any part of the Earl of Derby's extensive estates in the neighbourhood of Cashel. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, Thomas Heffernan, Ballyduagh. Oct. 9th. 1823 Mary

21-3-1908 The Times From the Times of 1808 Tuesday March 23rd. The two parties of insurgents whose incessant outrages keep the County of Tipperary in its present disturbed state, distinguish themselves by the names of the "Caravats" and "Shanavats". They had lately a pitched battle, about 600 a-side, at the fair of Golden; they kept up an incessant and well directed fire of musquetry for a short time, during which a number of men were killed and wounded. They openly appear in the town of Clonmel, wearing the distinguishing badges of their respective clans. The Assizes at Clonmel have already produced four executions. These disturbances, however do not proceed from political cause, they are the outrages of a lawless banditti. Mary

22-4-1895 Scene at an attemped eviction-An extraordinary scene occurred at Curranstown, near Clonmel, on Saturday afternoon, when a Sheriff's party and a force of Police attended to carry out an eviction for non-payment of rent on the estate of Samuel Perry, deputy-lieutenant, against a tenant farmer named Fahey. The farm is an extensive one, and the buildings thereon have been recently erected at considerable cost. The house was strongly barricaded, and was held by a numerous party who threw boiling water and lime on the Sheriff's party when they endeavoured to effect an entrance. Two of the Bailiff's were seriously injured. A large crowd was present, and it was not deemed prudent to make any arrests. The eviction was eventually abandoned. Follow up to the above. 24-4-1895 Yesterday the widow Fahy and her three sisters, who were arrested on the charge of assaulting the Sheriff's party at an attempted eviction on the Perry estate near Clonmel, was brough before Colonel Evanson. R.M. District-Inspector Shoveller prosecuted on behalf of the crown. The evidence of the two bailiffs, Daniel Ryan and Thomas Shea was taken at their residences, as they were both still confined to their beds. Dr. Hewitson said the Bailiff Ryan had two serious scalp wounds, and he would not certify his life to be out of danger, as erysipelas might set in. The other Bailiff was likely to lose his sight. The prisoners were remanded for a week, bail being refused. The prisoners were loudly cheered when passing through the streets. Mary

All the following from the Times. 11-7-1912 Crime in County Tipperary Dublin July 10th 1912 The Lord Chief Justice, Lord O'Brien, addressing the grand jury for the North Riding of County Tipperary at Nenagh today, said that there had been a slight increase in the specially reported cases. One of the bills referred to a case in which a bomb was exploded near the dwelling of a farmer named Doheny. It exploded with a tremendous noise and set fire to a portion of a house. A second bomb had also been placed in position, but the fuse was extinguished before an explosion could occur. Several cases of fires, for which no one had been made amenable, were reported from Templemore and the surrounding districts, and there were also cases of firing into a house and of setting fire to a house. 11-9-1907 Cattle Driving in South Tipperary. Dublin Sept. 10th. The first cattle drive in South Tipperary took place on Saturday on a farm near Clogheen, occupied by a "planter" named Coakley. On Sunday morning the animals were missed, and the police in the surrounding stations received notice. After a long search Coakley found one of his cattle in a dying condition two miles away from the farm. It had evidently been unable to keep up with the others, and it died soon afterwards. Yesterday, all the police-stations in the district were notified by telegraph that the cattle were missing; but, up to the present, the constabulary have failed to discover them. Coakley has been in possession of Shanbally farm for the past 12 years, having been put in possession after the former tenant, William Galvin, had been evicted for non-payment of rent. 15-1-1910 Boycotting To the Editor of the Times. Sir-Mr. Birrell in a speech made at Bristol on Jan 7th is reported to have said that he did not believe any person was boycotted in Ireland so that he could not get bread. I am so severely boycotted that I have to get bread from Dublin, 90 miles distant, and am obliged to send my horses ten miles away to be shod. In 1908 a conspiracy was started against me by some rich farmers to drive me out of the country, in order that they could get possession of my house and home farm, which was the only property I have left. I am not a landlord as I sold to my tenants four years ago. I have not evicted any tenants, and my farm has never been let for grazing. In Nov. 1908 , a mob attacked my house and broke the windows. Ever since then I have been boycotted and under police protection. I am guarded by 20 police, seven of whom sleep in my house. This state of affairs has been going on for more than a year. Some of the men who attacked my house were tried at the Cork assizes and found guilty. They were, however, released without punishment and were given return tickets and refreshments at the expense of the Crown. Last feb. attention was drawn to my case by questions asked in Parliament, and a leading article was published in The Times about it. The Government then prosecuted some of the members of the Holycross United Irish League on the charge of conspiracy at the assizes last March, but the trial was adjourned and nothing has been done since. I have been obliged to attend as a Crown witness, three assizes, two petty sessions, and four special courts, without any result. I have therefore had plenty of experience of "ordinary law". When questions were asked in Parliament about my affairs the answer was "Sub Judice". The case has now been "Sub Judice" for more than 10 months. I have never injured or interfered with my neighbours, and the sole reason for the attack on me is the selfish greed of some rich farmers. They have been encouraged by two Priests who have made violent speeches against me. Charles N. Clarke. Graiguenoe Park. Thurles. Co. Tipperary Jan. 12th. Mary

How do I unsubscribe?? unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "carole" <Carole@cdraper.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: [TIP] Re: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary hi Vicki There are estate records in NA. The genealogy dept there are helpful in pointing you to the info that helps you work out if they are relevant to the family/parish you are looking for good hunting Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Hi, > > I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used > in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with > Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources > (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers > or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm > considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be > useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I > am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). > > Thanks > Vicki > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Online Tipperary Census: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm

Vicki, I have used the filmed Notebooks at the National Archives. In preparation for Griffith's, notebooks were prepared. There were Field Books (also called Soil Books), Tenure Books, and House Books. Notebooks do not exist for all townlands, and in many cases, the Field Books simply describe what type of soil was on each property. If you know what number property your family had, this can be interesting. If you are going to the National Archives yourself, these would be easy to check. If you have a researcher doing the work, they might have to go through several films, only to find there is no information, or that the information doesn't differ at all from Griffith's. It is quite possible that hiring a researcher could be costly, especially if the information in the Notebooks does not differ at all from Griffith's. Because I was doing my own research, I could just sit and go through films because I knew what I was looking for. When are these books helpful? If there was an exchange of land between lessors in the 1840's, this can fill in a missing generation. Let's say you know who the lessor was at the time of the Tithes, but there was a different name in Griffith's. Most of the Notebooks were done in the late 1840's to about 1850 or so. If there was a land exchange at that time, the lessor's name is crossed off and the new one written in so you have an idea when the first lessor died. Sometimes there is one name in the Tithes another in the Notebooks, and still another in Griffith's. This doesn't happen often, but it is worth checking if you are going to be at the National Archives. I hope this helps. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 AM Subject: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Hi, > > I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used > in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with > Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources > (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers > or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm > considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be > useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I > am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). > > Thanks > Vicki >

hi Vicki There are estate records in NA. The genealogy dept there are helpful in pointing you to the info that helps you work out if they are relevant to the family/parish you are looking for good hunting Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Hi, > > I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used > in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with > Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources > (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers > or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm > considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be > useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I > am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). > > Thanks > Vicki >

Hi, I was wondering what alternative records any fellow researchers have used in Tipperary in place of the parish registers. I am familiar with Griffiths and the tithes books, but are there any other resources (preferably in the NLI or NA) that can be used- particularly estate papers or anything relating to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I'm considering having look ups done in the parish registers, but it would be useful to know what this might lead me to in other resources. The parish I am particularly interested in is Killenaule (Kilboy). Thanks Vicki

14-8-1848 Times Monday Morning. Ireland. Arrest of Meagher, O'Donoghue and Leyne. Our reported writing from Thurles yesterday morning at 6, announces the arrest the night before, between 11 and 12 O'Clock, of Messers. F.W.Meagher, P.O'Donoghue, and Maurice Connor Leyne. The arrest was effected by Constable P. Madden, and the Police patrol on the road between Rathcommon and Holy Cross. The prisoners were conveyed to Dublin by special train from Thurles at 6'30 and conducted under an escort of 20 of the Thurles police to the Royal Barracks. Captain Mackenzie, having seen them safely deposited in the Royal Barracks, immediately proceeded with despatches from General Macdonald to the Vice-Regal Lodge. By the few provincial journals which reached Dublin yesterday morning all would appear to be perfectly tranquil in the South. There is a close chase after O'Gorman, but his capture is not likely to be effected without giving the authorities some further trouble. Mary

12-1-1832 Times From the Globe Dublin Jan. 9th. The Tithe agitation in the provinces bids fair to eclipse the political agitation in the city. In the last accounts I have seen, some facts are stated which are well worth notice. In a recent letter I mentioned the arrest of 40 of the peasantry for remaining at a tithe-meeting after the Riot Act had been read by a magistrate. All of them, except one, remain in the Cashel Bridewell. The individual liberated is a youth about 14 years old, son of Henry White, Esq, of Golden Villa, a highly respectable Protestant gentleman. Youth and inexperience were pleaded as his excuse, and the magistrate consented to discharge him. The military forse has been consideralby increased in Cashel, and the guard at the Bridewell has been reinforced, by a military party, consisting of an officer and twenty men, and seven police. The city was patrolled on Wed. night by 30 constables, and the military remained under arms until morning. Parties of police have arrived from Caher, and other out-stations. These precautions were considered necessary, in consequence of an attempt to rescue the "hurlers" confined in the Bridewell. Mary

Hello Gary, Please try this e-mail address. I use the other for mailing lists etc. but have been having some problems lately. Thanks Karen "Gary Cantwell" <mailto:gcantwell@comcast.net> schrieb: > Karen, > > can you mail me off list. The mail I sent bounced. > > gcantwell@comcast.net. > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Bell [mailto:jessandrak@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:11 AM > To: mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TIP] Perry, Kilboy >

Hello Vicky, Great to finally run into another Perry researcher!! John Perry and Susan Elizabeth Minchin of Kilboy are in my family tree as is an Edward who was their eldest son and the only son I have no information on. I do have extensive infomation on John & Susan though, as well as several of their children and of John's siblings and parents etc. Could you tell me the names of the children of Edward & Eliza? This may help determine if they are connected to the Kilboy family as they used the same Christian names for generations. I will send you a private e-mail later when I find some more time. Karen vickifperry@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have a John and Susan PERRY in their family tree- in the > early 19th century? They were the godparents of one of the children of > Edward and Eliza PERRY, who lived in Liscannor, Co. Clare. Their > children were born in the 1840s and 1850s. > > On the IGI (familysearch.com) there seems to be a couple of the same > name in Kilboy. As this is all I have to go on, I was wondering if > anyone is connected to these PERRYs and if they were connected to my > family. > > Thanks > > Vicki Perry > > (Also researching Perry and Coffey, Clare; Caffery and > Broughall/Brohal, Monasterevin, Kildare; Tobin, Wicklow and Doyle and > Lalor, Wexford). > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com >

Karen, can you mail me off list. The mail I sent bounced. gcantwell@comcast.net. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Karen Bell [mailto:jessandrak@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:11 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TIP] Perry, Kilboy Hello Vicky, Great to finally run into another Perry researcher!! John Perry and Susan Elizabeth Minchin of Kilboy are in my family tree as is an Edward who was their eldest son and the only son I have no information on. I do have extensive infomation on John & Susan though, as well as several of their children and of John's siblings and parents etc. Could you tell me the names of the children of Edward & Eliza? This may help determine if they are connected to the Kilboy family as they used the same Christian names for generations. I will send you a private e-mail later when I find some more time. Karen vickifperry@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have a John and Susan PERRY in their family tree- in the > early 19th century? They were the godparents of one of the children of > Edward and Eliza PERRY, who lived in Liscannor, Co. Clare. Their > children were born in the 1840s and 1850s. > > On the IGI (familysearch.com) there seems to be a couple of the same > name in Kilboy. As this is all I have to go on, I was wondering if > anyone is connected to these PERRYs and if they were connected to my > family. > > Thanks > > Vicki Perry > > (Also researching Perry and Coffey, Clare; Caffery and > Broughall/Brohal, Monasterevin, Kildare; Tobin, Wicklow and Doyle and > Lalor, Wexford). > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > VISIT COUNTY TIPPERARY GENEALOGY: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > Contact the Listowner at: > mailto:IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Join us for a chat about researching families in Tipperary (and everything else!). 'Open House Sessions' every Thursday/Friday (depending on your location). Starting at 11pm Thursday Tipperary Time. This means the time will be 11pm in England; 6 pm in New York and Montreal; 3pm in California and Vancouver; 7am (Friday) in Perth; 10am (Friday) in Sydney; 12 noon (Friday) in Wellington. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/chat/index.htm

Karen, I forwarded some scans off list. Cheers. Gary. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Bell [mailto:jessandrak@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:09 AM To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees Is there anyone out there that happens to have a copy of O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees and could do a lookup for me? I am looking for the entry on William Cleburne (or Clibborn, Cleburn) of Ballycolliton and would be greatful for any help. Thank you in advance! Karen ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Online Tipperary Census: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm

Hi, Does anyone have a John and Susan PERRY in their family tree- in the early 19th century? They were the godparents of one of the children of Edward and Eliza PERRY, who lived in Liscannor, Co. Clare. Their children were born in the 1840s and 1850s. On the IGI (familysearch.com) there seems to be a couple of the same name in Kilboy. As this is all I have to go on, I was wondering if anyone is connected to these PERRYs and if they were connected to my family. Thanks Vicki Perry (Also researching Perry and Coffey, Clare; Caffery and Broughall/Brohal, Monasterevin, Kildare; Tobin, Wicklow and Doyle and Lalor, Wexford).

Is there anyone out there that happens to have a copy of O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees and could do a lookup for me? I am looking for the entry on William Cleburne (or Clibborn, Cleburn) of Ballycolliton and would be greatful for any help. Thank you in advance! Karen

Karen, To be fair, I thought I better check Vol II of Irish Pedigrees. Here is what is listed: Irish Pedigrees, Vol II., Part V, Chap 5 (Anglo-Irish and other Genealogies) Cliborne Pedigree (page 100-118) Clibborn Pedigree (No 1) (page 118-120) Clibborn Pedigree (No 2) (page 120-121) Cliburn (footnote to LOWTHER No 1 Pedigree) (;age 289) Because the sections are so large, I would suggest going to your local library and viewing their copies. If they don't have it, have their reference section order it for you. That is how I first saw it. I usually only check Vol I as it mainly pertains to the pedigrees/families of Munster. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Bell" <jessandrak@netscape.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:08 AM Subject: [TIP] O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees > Is there anyone out there that happens to have a copy of O'Hart's Irish > Pedigrees and could do a lookup for me? > > I am looking for the entry on William Cleburne (or Clibborn, Cleburn) of > Ballycolliton and would be greatful for any help. > > Thank you in advance! > > Karen > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > >