Dear Jan ( and Maxine) On my husband's side of family I have a Johanna CASHIN married Dennis LEAMY in 1873 I think in Cashel, Tipperary. I would like to find out Johana's parents and birth date etc. as do not have any of that information. Dennis was born in 1843 in Cashel, Tipperary. Their son ( one of 8 siblings) William LEAMY married in New Zealand and is my husband's maternal grandfather. Would like to hear further from either of you if you have CASHIN information Regards Janet -----Original Message----- From: Jan Fortado [mailto:janfortado@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 4:50 a.m. To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TIP] Cashin in Tipperary I am focusing on Co. Tipperary for my 3rd great grandfather, Michael Cashin. I was wondering if there is anyone on this list who is researching the name Cashin/Cashen/Cashion. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #206 ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Online Tipperary Census: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm

I have recently added to the County Tipperary section of my website the following indexed databases: Donohill Civil Parish, Griffith's Valuations Dangandargan Civil Parish, Griffith's Valuations and Tithe Applotments Tullaghorton Civil Parish, Tithe Applotments Cullen Civil Parish, Tithe Applotments Tipperary Civil Parish, Tithe Applotments Derrygrath Civil Parish, Tithe Applotments Tullamain Civil Parish, Tithe Applotments If you haven't visited my website and you are searching for County Tipperary ancestors, you are missing a great source. I am proud that it is mentioned in John Grenham's new edition of Tracing Your Irish Ancestors. Currently I have the Griffith's Valuation for 33 civil parishes and the Tithe Applotments for 40 civil parishes. They give more information than any of the indexes you find on cd's or online. One of these days when I find the time, I will index the tithes. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

One more thing Maxine - the "known" siblings of Michael Geary were John, Patrick, James, Richard and Mary. These are the siblings that came to America - there may have been others that stayed behind. Paula -----Original Message----- From: Max@sanbrunocable.com To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [TIP] Cashin in Tipperary My husband's grandmother was a Cashin from Tipperary. I have a Michael Cashin 1823-1896. Died at Cooldevane, Shanrahan, Tipperary. According to Griffith's valuation, he had 104 acres, which is quite large. He had a son Michael (1859-1905) who never married & also died at Cooldevane. He also had a son John who became a doctor and practiced in London. Total of 10 children. I can send you more information, if you wish. They evidently were not a destitute post famine family. Almost everyone stayed in Ireland. After my husband's grandmother Mary Ann Cashin (1861-1901) married Maurice Flynn, they were very successful farmers & horse breeders at Killahalla, Waterford, until both died and left 7 orphans. The Cashin & Flynn relatives took care of the 7 Flynn orphans until, as young adults/late teenagers, all came to San Francisco around 1906-1910. Dr. John Cashin evidently paid for the 2 orphan Flynn girls to attend a Catholic boarding school in Davenport, England. As far as I can de! termine, they did very well for an Irish Catholic family. Maxine Driscoll ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: [TIP] Cashin in Tipperary >I am focusing on Co. Tipperary for my 3rd great grandfather, Michael >Cashin. I was wondering if there is anyone on this list who is researching >the name Cashin/Cashen/Cashion. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:49 AM > Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #206 > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to IRL-TIPPERARY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is IRL-TIPPERARY-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa] ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

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Okay, first of all, let me wade in here. The address listed in Ballina happens to be MY address in Ireland, and I'm not deeply appreciative of it being published for the whole bloody world to see. Secondly, the Bradshaw information is not being shared by the person named here as his work, and has most certainly not been published. Anywhere. I know this because the person who shared what he had is my cousin, and bits of what he shared actually also came from me, in research assistance to my own stuff when the Bradshaws married into the Myles family, who are his principal area of interest at the time. Janet, if you would like, I will ring my cousin, as I know where he is, and ask him to contact you. Please email me off list if you'd like this. I also happen to know that he did try to contact you a number of times via email and had no response. Cindy

Borrisokane Sessions Ellen Costelloe had Honora Haugh, Biddy Haugh, her mother, and Biddy Brewder summoned for assault. Mr. Nolan defended. It was explained that this business arose out of courtship, Mrs. Haugh being indignant that her son should cast his affections in the direction he did (towards the girl Costelloe). Complainant objected to the statement that she was spooney on Mrs. Haugh's son. "Every time I would meet him, I would speak to him, and he to me" He son was looking on, she said, when the assault was committed. Chairman - It is a very unfair position to be put in, between mother and sweetheart (laughter). Patrick Haugh was called to prove the assault, but he would only say he saw an "attempt" in this direction. Mr. Nolan - Are you not the cause of it? James Hogan was sworn, and said he was present at the whole affair. He saw only the complainant getting a push. Complainant - This man is this girl's (Honora Haugh) batchelor, as it is coming to batchelors at all (laughter). He remained in the ditch while they were beating me, the coward (renewed laughter). Mickey Haugh (another brother) here announced his intention, in the middle of court, of giving evidence. Mr Nolan - Oh, are you another lover in the case? (laughter). Witness said he was, and was on the road on the evening in question, and Costelloe stopped him, saying "Isn't this a nice thing, your mother after beating me?" "Did you get e'er a stroke?," says I. "No," says she (laughter), "Then, what fear is of ye ?" says I (renewed laughter). "She came then to court, your Worships, with her features all; right." (roars of laughter) Chairman - I am afraid, Miss Costelloe, that your future mother in law has no love for you (Laughter). Miss Costelloe - I don't want her at all, your Worship (more laughter). Mrs. Haugh - You are pushing hard for her then (laughter). The Chairman said she had no right whatsoever to go and beat that girl. The old lady had a right to give her son what advice she liked as to his marriage, but she had no right to make use of abusive language, or beat the girl. If the case came before him again, they would be bound to the peace. His Worship advised Miss Costelloe to avoid the company of Pat, and the dispute would cease. The dame promised so to act. John Shanahan Again Our hero was again seeking redress from an unsympasthetic Bench of Magistrates. His complaint this time was against his spouse, Bidelia, her son, James Flanagan, and her niece, Marianne Delaney, the latter two for setting fire to another wave barley, and Bidelia for "making away" with "thirteen geese and a turkey" It transpired that he could not proceed against his wife, they being considered as one undivisable, the Chairman observing- Unless the "union" is to be repealed, and she ceases to be Bidelia Shanahan, you cannot go against her. Dismissed. John Shanahan - She sat down in the court in Nenagh, yer Worships, and tould the police there I shtruck her and killed her (laughter). Chairman - And now there is a resurrection, is there? (laughter). I have not had the experience of Mr.Saunders, but I refused informations of this nature, and ever will. The other two cases were dismissed, it being proved that the defendants weree in Nenagh at the time of the alleged outrage. John, however, did not place much reliance in their evidence, and said to one- Go on now to your work, and God help your sowl; ye'd sware the Hill o' Howth was made of musharooms ( roars of laughter). Mary

My husband's grandmother was a Cashin from Tipperary. I have a Michael Cashin 1823-1896. Died at Cooldevane, Shanrahan, Tipperary. According to Griffith's valuation, he had 104 acres, which is quite large. He had a son Michael (1859-1905) who never married & also died at Cooldevane. He also had a son John who became a doctor and practiced in London. Total of 10 children. I can send you more information, if you wish. They evidently were not a destitute post famine family. Almost everyone stayed in Ireland. After my husband's grandmother Mary Ann Cashin (1861-1901) married Maurice Flynn, they were very successful farmers & horse breeders at Killahalla, Waterford, until both died and left 7 orphans. The Cashin & Flynn relatives took care of the 7 Flynn orphans until, as young adults/late teenagers, all came to San Francisco around 1906-1910. Dr. John Cashin evidently paid for the 2 orphan Flynn girls to attend a Catholic boarding school in Davenport, England. As far as I can determine, they did very well for an Irish Catholic family. Maxine Driscoll ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: [TIP] Cashin in Tipperary >I am focusing on Co. Tipperary for my 3rd great grandfather, Michael >Cashin. I was wondering if there is anyone on this list who is researching >the name Cashin/Cashen/Cashion. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:49 AM > Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #206 > > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm >

I am focusing on Co. Tipperary for my 3rd great grandfather, Michael Cashin. I was wondering if there is anyone on this list who is researching the name Cashin/Cashen/Cashion. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest V06 #206

Thanks Carole, Jan and Jo for your replies. It's good to see that there are plenty of records that I can use myself to search my Tipperary ancestors. I'll just have to try and get over to Ireland now to use them! Vicki (in England so not too far away)

Would anyone have happened across the surname CONLIN in Cashel during the early to mid 1800's period? Henry Conlin - no other info, except he was born c. 1815, emigrated to Canada c. 1840, perhaps with other siblings. But no records can be found. He married in Toronto, Ontario in 1844. I would appreciate any direction and yes, I know this is a needle in a haystack and the needles are all the same! Thanks for help. Doreen _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing

Janet, I'd be raging!!! Can you get any information on him from his email address? Newpark house and Ennis might be an indication. The only Patrick Waldron I can find in the telephone directory in the Clare area is Waldron, Patrick, 55 Ard Coillte Ballina Tipperary. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: [TIP] Bradshaw Green > On August 4th, Declan Barron sent me a Bradshaw tree which he > identified as follows: > > "From: Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> Mailed-By: eircom.net > > Reply-To: Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> > To: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Date: Aug 4, 2006 8:01 PM > Subject: Fw: Bradshaws > > Hi Janet, > Here is the Green/Bradshaw family - No.98 > Source of this tree is Paddy Waldron. > Please contact me to OK it with Paddy before passing it on > > Declan" > > I have repeatedly asked Declan to have Paddy Waldron contact me to no > avail. I am therefore doing this through the lists. > > Paddy Waldron, how did you come to have the work of Richard Bradshaw > and myself? How did it come to be re-entitled "Green/Bradshaw family - > No. 98" Why would Declan believe this to be your work and need your > permission to be shared? Where has it been published? > > For everyone else - To top it off, this material is an OLD copy of the > Bradshaw tree, which itself is a work in progress, meant only for > members of the Bradshaw family, and WHICH STILL CONTAINS A SUBSTANTIAL > NUMBER OF ERRORS YET TO BE RECONCILED by the family. It was never > intended to be a document to be published in way, shape or format due > to many inconsistancies in information received from various people. I > specifically mention this as any Green who depends on the Green > information contained within it will be led astray as new information > has caused the children assigned to Green to be seriously questioned. > Newer versions of this tree have clarified many items. To depend on > what is called "Green/Bradshaw - No. 98" for accurate information > would be foolish. > > Am I angry? - yes indeedy do! > > I am waiting to hear from you, Mr. Paddy Waldron. > Tappity-tappity-tap-tap-tap > > Janet > > > ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== > Online Tipperary Census: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/census_ndx.htm > > >

On August 4th, Declan Barron sent me a Bradshaw tree which he identified as follows: "From: Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> Mailed-By: eircom.net Reply-To: Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> To: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Date: Aug 4, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Fw: Bradshaws Hi Janet, Here is the Green/Bradshaw family - No.98 Source of this tree is Paddy Waldron. Please contact me to OK it with Paddy before passing it on Declan" I have repeatedly asked Declan to have Paddy Waldron contact me to no avail. I am therefore doing this through the lists. Paddy Waldron, how did you come to have the work of Richard Bradshaw and myself? How did it come to be re-entitled "Green/Bradshaw family - No. 98" Why would Declan believe this to be your work and need your permission to be shared? Where has it been published? For everyone else - To top it off, this material is an OLD copy of the Bradshaw tree, which itself is a work in progress, meant only for members of the Bradshaw family, and WHICH STILL CONTAINS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF ERRORS YET TO BE RECONCILED by the family. It was never intended to be a document to be published in way, shape or format due to many inconsistancies in information received from various people. I specifically mention this as any Green who depends on the Green information contained within it will be led astray as new information has caused the children assigned to Green to be seriously questioned. Newer versions of this tree have clarified many items. To depend on what is called "Green/Bradshaw - No. 98" for accurate information would be foolish. Am I angry? - yes indeedy do! I am waiting to hear from you, Mr. Paddy Waldron. Tappity-tappity-tap-tap-tap Janet

Hi Is there someone who is able to access records held at the railway museum at Hueston Station in Dublin. I'm trying to find out more about a family who worked on the railways during the 1870s and 1880s in Cork and Tippeary. If so, please contact me off list for details. Thanks =================== Visit my website at http://cmahoney.orcon.net.nz/

I bet I know who took Janet's work. There was a woman on this list or the other Tipp list who took our information and was using it to profit. Has Mum gone into hospital yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: kaye vernon To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [TIP] Bradshaw family Janet, That must be so hurtful to you. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet ==== IRL-TIPPERARY Mailing List ==== Reminder! Remove (<snip>) as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include just the part of the original message important to your reply.

Hi Vicki, It is worth bearing in mind if you are on a time limit, that the Notebooks Jan refers to below are also available on microfilm through the LDS. As far as estate papers go, Hayes' "Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilisation" gives a list of many of the available estate papers and where they are held. It is also on film at the LDS as are the Encumbered Estate Papers for those estates which went bankrupt during the Famine and which then had to be sold (or partially sold) off to meet debts. Timewise, the Encumbered Estate Papers are close to Griffith's, but as Jan described for the Notebooks, can still show differences. The Encumbered Estate Papers can also give extra details about the type of lease held by the tenant, often mentioning other names, which Griffith's and the subsequent Cancelled Land Books do not. The Registry of Deeds is another possible source if you know names and places, again, these are on film at the LDS, I believe. Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: [TIP] Re: Records other than parish registers in Tipperary > Vicki, I have used the filmed Notebooks at the National Archives. In > preparation for Griffith's, notebooks were prepared. There were Field Books > (also called Soil Books), Tenure Books, and House Books. Notebooks do not > exist for all townlands, and in many cases, the Field Books simply describe > what type of soil was on each property. If you know what number property > your family had, this can be interesting. If you are going to the National > Archives yourself, these would be easy to check.

Janet, That must be so hurtful to you. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet

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30-1-1811 Dublin Jan. 24th. On Sunday night last, a party of armed ruffians entered the house of Daniel Hurley, of Kilmore, and forcibly carried away Eleanor Hurley, his daughter, By his examination it appears that Michael Ryan, commonly called Sclug, a notorious robber, and Timothy and Cornelius Ryan, his brothers, were principally concerned, and the only persons he knew. Lieut. Neville Wayland, of the Ballintemple Infantry, having heard of it soon after, took three yeomen with him to the cross-roads near Lacken, in hopes that they might meet the party on their return. In about a half an hour, hearing the noise of the horses coming at a great rate, he divided his party two at each side of the road, and desired that they on no account fire until they were fired at. On their coming up, (consisting of about five horses and about six or seven men), he advanced and desired them in the King's name to stop and surrender themselves, which they instantly answered with three shots at the yeomen; one of the foremost presented a bright blunderbuss at Lieut. Wayland, so near that the flash threw light on his face, but fortunately burned priming only, or his head would have been blown to atoms. Several shots were fired on both sides, but the yeomen's with more effect, for one of the ruffians dropped off his horse; the others made their escape, the lieutenant and his party being on foot, and it being about 1 O'Clock in the morning. This wretch, though mortally wounded, got on his knee, and swore he would have a yeoman's life, but was unable to present his blunderbuss, his arm being broken. He would not tell his name, and desired he might be thrown into a dyke, the dirt thrown over him, and nothing said about it. He died soon after, and the body was conveyed to Dundrum. He proved to be Edmond Ryan, of Donohill, flax-dresser, a deserter from Sir Thomas Fitzgerald's regiment, and one of the most determined fellows in the country. Vast crowds came to view the body on Monday, which was permitted, in hopes it might have a proper effect on the people. Lord Hawarden, who was at Mr. William Cooper's at Cashel being sent to early that day, came out, and took a party of the Ballintemple Cavalry, with Mr. William Cooper, a magistrate, and scoured the country, as far as Cappagh, after the runaways, until a late hour that night, and also the next day, but without success. The friends of the deceased having applied to his Lordship for the body, he said he would give it up if the girl was send home by Wed, which not being done, his Lordship brought on a guard of the Fermanagh from Cashel, had the body conveyed to Cashel and buried near the jail. Mary

30-1-1886 The Times The murder of Edward Allen in the County of Tipperary. To the Editor of the Times. Sir;-Permit me to state some circimstances which existed previous to the murder of Allen in the broad day-light, on the high road at Damerville, in the County of Tipperary on the 16th inst. In the month of Jan, 1885, in the Court of Common Pleas, Dublin, judgement was obtained (after a trial by jury) against a tenant named Hourigan for £160., one years rent of a farm at Ballycouree, due to May 1st. 1884. Hourigan, the tenant died, and his reps. declined to pay the amount of the rent or the costs of the action, and were in July 1885 evicted from their holdings. I may here mention that the Judge before whom the action for rent was tried, expressed it as his opinion that I as trustee, was bound to bring the action for the rent. The following is a list of outrages perpetrated at Damerville, otherwise Ballycouree;-1. I received a letter threatening my life if I did not reinstate the Hourigans. This purported to come from the Cork branch of the National League. 2. The caretakers arms were stolen from Damerville House. 3. The widow Hourigan and family were reinstated in the house from which they had been evicted, by, as they allege, over 200 armed men at night. 4. Shots were exchanged between my caretakers (and the police who were protecting them) and an armed, disguised mob of men, who succeeded in driving off the lands the cattle put to graze thereon by the landlord, and which the next day were recovered and brought back by the Police. 5. An unsuccessful attempt was again made to drive the cattle off; 6. A summons server, who went to serve a summons on the inmates of the evicted house for trespass, was badly beaten, stripped literally naked, and sent back to Tipperary in a sad condition. 7. Mr. Chadwick, the Landlord who lives some 20 miles from Ballycouree, was boycotted, his hay and crops were allowed to rot, he was almost starved out, and I had to send provisions to him from Cork, as no one in the locality dare have anything to do with him. 8. As trustee, I went to demand possession of the house which had beentaken possession of by the Hourigans, when a large crowd, collected by the Chapel Bell and blowing of horns, out in an appearance. The Roman Catholic Curate took command, and kept them quiet. The authorities with a large force of police, declined to break open the door, and I refused to allow my caretaker to take possession with a strong hand, as I did not consider it the proper course to adopt. At the request of the owner (Mr. Chadwick) and others, I consented for peace sake to allow an arrangement to be come to by arbitration. The Hourigans got back their farm on paying £175 in lieu of £550 (two and a half years of rent at £160 per year and about £150 costs due) and the future rent to be fixed by the Land Court. Now mark well the result of this concession granted in response to the outrageous , illegal conduct of the people. The murdered man Edward Allen frequented Damerville House, he was a loyal man, a friend to the LandLord. He borrowed a horse from him , he returned his horse to him, and was shot within 200 yards od Damerville House. Another tenant had offered £150 fine and £3 per acre for 7 acres of land in the possession of Mr. Chadwick. Allen was suspected for having bid for it, and these, Sir, are the simple facts of this most sad case, from which those who read can draw their own deductions as to how men live here and why they must die. I am Sir, Your obedient servant Robert Pratt.J.P. Carriggohane County Cork. Jan. 26th 1886

It has just indirectly come to my attention that an 81 page document putting together the Bradshaw family in Ireland and England is the work of a yet to be named individual. For the record this is the work of Richard Bradshaw in England and myself and we have the records and correspondence to prove it. I have been very generous in sharing this tree with the members of the Bradshaw family and somehow this person has obtained a copy and is apparently promoting it as his work. Disgraceful! Janet