Pat I might be able to help. I have lots of very old photos so I might be able to give you a clue. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message -----

29-8-1823 From the Times. As a convincing proof that people have arms still in their possession, the following fact occurred on Thursday. :-A woman was brought before J. Dempster, Esq, Magistrate at Nenagh, that morning, on a warrant, for absconding from her master's service, and carrying of several articles of wearing apparel. She said it was through malice her master had sworn information, and stated that she could tell where he had secreted his fire arms and sword at the time the Insurrection Act was proclaimed in these Baronies. Accordingly, Mr. Dempster sent the Sergeant of Police to make the necessary search, and expected an denial on the part of the accused; however the man was so astonished when the Police arrived at his house, within a mile and a half of Nenagh, in company with his late servant, that he confessed where they were, and which completely corroborated the testimony of the woman, viz, that they were buried in the kitchen garden, where they were found in a piece of timber he had artfully hollowed for the reception of the barrel, which is a good one, and a sword in good preservation. The lock he took out of the roof of the barn. Attempt at Assassination. On Wednesday evening, as John Stewart, Esq, of Dundrun, agent to Lord Hawarden, was returning on horseback from the town of Tipperary, mid-way between there and Dundrum, four assassins lay inside the ditch concealed, One of whom fired at him; on his returning back, a second shot was fired, but both fortunately without effect. Part of the wadding or the torn bushes struck Mr. Stewart in the face. The audacious attack took place within a few perches of two houses, nine of the inhabitants from which pursued and assisted in taking five people into custody. Had Mr. Stewart not turned back at the time, he would most probably have been murdered, as two more armed men were stationed about 60 yards in advance of those who fired. The places where the ruffians had stationed themselves for the perpetration of this crime were completely beaten down with their feet, and port holes were made through the hedge in four different places, with sods raised for their arms to rest on. Mr. John Scott of Rossmore, was with Mr. Stewart at the time of the attack and a man named Jerry Quinlan, who also had a narrow escape of being shot. This is the second attempt made to assassinate Mr. Stewart. On the same day, Mr. Michael Dwyer, of Coolacosane was fired on near Mandemount?, it is supposed in consequence of having taken some lands in that quarter last May from Lord Hawarden. Yesterday five prisoners, taken at the place of attack, were brought into Tipperary, under escort of the police, where the magistrates were to assemble yesterday at noon, to investigate the business. Clonmel Aug. 23rd. A King's messenger arrived in this town at 7 O'Clock yesterday morning with a respite from the Castle of Dublin, staying the execution of Michael Mara (Who was to be hanged this day) until the 1st. of Sept. next. The other unfortunate man, named Thomas Casey, will be executed this day, at the usual hour. (Clonmel Herald). Mary

Pat, There is a Vintage Photos email list that might be a help: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/VINTAGE-PHOTOS.html I, too, had a scan of an old photo and wanted to I.D. the time frame. After checking - I learned that the photographer was listed on the back. I then found a listing of photographers on an email list which listed dates that photographers were at certain addresses in this state (Indiana). It narrowed down my search to a couple of years and helped me feel pretty sure that the photo was of my great grandmother. Good luck, Christina On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:39:12 -0400, Albert D wrote: > > -----I have some old photos of 3 women sent to me by an elderly > cousin. I have an idea who they might be but can't identify when > the photos were taken to prove my theory. Does anyone know of a > site that can give me some hints as to the dates of these pictures? > Pat D >

24-4-1867 From the Times. A letter from Nenagh states that:- "A party of eight Fenian prisoners arrived here from Thurles and were lodged in the county gaol to await their trial at the commission. The following are the names of those committed today:-William Dwyer, of Mealiffe, Labourer; Edward Dwyer, of Mealiffe, Labourer; Michael Carroll, Drombane, Labourer; John Hayes, Drombane, Labourer; D. Ryan, Drombane, Labourer; William Long, Drombane, Labourer. Patrick Fahy, Drombane, Labourer. And Denis Mullen, Roskeen, Labourer. The prisoners are all fine, healthy looking and athletic young men of the more respectable labouring class. The first six named stand charged "with having being of an armed party of Fenians who illegally marched and demanded arms for treasonable designs and purposes at Drombane, and other places in the said County on the 5th March 1867; while the two last named (Fahy and Mullen) are charged with having been of an armed party of Fenians who demanded and took away arms from Gortkelly, burned Roskeen Police Barracks, and shot one Patrick Tracey on the night of the 5th March 1867. There are now in this gaol charged with the crimes of high treason and treason felony, the large number of 45 prisoners, and it has become a matter of surprise that the Government has not yet issued a commission for either riding of the County of Tipperary for the trial of Fenian prisoners, as it is admitted on all sides that it would be injudicious to keep over such a large number of prisoners for trial at the next assizes in August or September. Mary

22-9-1848 Ireland. The Electric Telegraph Compamy's Express, received this morning, contains the following extract from the Dublin Pilot of the 20th inst:-. " At a late hour yesterday we received a communication from out correspondant, giving details of the meeting of the peasantry on the hill of Mealiff after the withdrawal of the troops on Monday. We are assured that the hill was covered with people. "An immense meeting was to take place yesterday at Drombane, and a gentleman who travelled that part of the country yesterday assures us that the Chapel Bells of the districts were ringing for the purpose of assembling the people. Other meeting s are spoken of in the district of Castle Otway, etc. We have heard that many of the persons at yesterdays meeting were armed. The guards of the train report everything quiet" Mary

17-3-1870 From the Times. Irish Sentences. To the Editor of the Times. Sir-If you would have the goodness to publish the following statement of how some Irish Judges perform their duties, perhaps many of your readers would no longer wonder why murder and bloodshed run riot through this unfortunate country. On the night of the 23rd of Sept. last two men entered a cottage in the mountains near Cappawhite belonging to a man named Mara and his wife, who at the time had an infant in her arms. After talking for some minutes with Mara, they both set on him and his wife, knocked them down and left them for dead. The doctor's evidence on the trial was as follows:- I know Mara. I saw him on the 24th Sept last. He had 13 lacerated wounds of the scalp, and two fractures of the skull. His wife had two lacerated contused wounds on the head, one of them 3in. long. Their lives are in iminent danger." The two fellows were tried at Clonmel last Friday before Baron Hughes, convicted on the clearest evidence, and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment in a comfortable gaol, where they will be well fed. I enclose my card, and remain, Your obedient servant, A Tipperary Grand Juror. Tipperary March 12th. Mary

6-12-1883 A number of unemployed labourers waited upon the Tipperary Board of Guardians to request Outdoor relief or employment. Their manner was so menacing that it was decided to admit but one at a time. They represented that their families were starving. They wanted employment, but the farmers would not assist them. The Board informed them that they had no power either to give employment or outdoor relief. They could only offer them admission to the workhouse. One of the labourers, with a family of eight, said if he went into the workhouse, he would have to give up his house, and thus lose it. Could not the Board assist them to emigrate? The Chairman intimated that they could not help them in that way. The applicants then left. Mary

7-1-1882 From the Times Last Thursday night a raid for arms was made in the Glen of Aherlow. Among the houses visited were those of Thomas Kennedy, Thomas Brian, John Hogan, James Mulhally, and others. The raiders had their faces blackened and wore military overcoats. In each case they demanded arms, and the farmers had no alternative but compliance. The raid caused a great deal of terror in the district. At Carrick-on-Suir Petty sessions yesterday, three young men named Corbett, and one named Shea, sons of tenant farmers, were charged with thrusting writs down the throat of a process server named Sheidy, who was employed by a Mr. Scully. The Prosecutor was held on his back, two writs were thrust into his mouth, and dirty water was poured upon them to effectually carry them out of sight. He was only liberated on giving a promise not to serve any more writs on the estate near Ballyneal. The magistrates came to the conclusion that the prisoners, although present, were not the ringleaders, and sentenced them to only one months imprisonment, with hard labour. Mary

-----I have some old photos of 3 women sent to me by an elderly cousin. I have an idea who they might be but can't identify when the photos were taken to prove my theory. Does anyone know of a site that can give me some hints as to the dates of these pictures? Pat D

16-1-1891 The Times. At a Crimes Act Court, held at Clonmel today, before Colonel Evanson and Mr. Bruen, stipendiary magistrates, Mr. J.J.Long, editor of the Nationalist, was charged with intimidation by having published in his journal, between July 1st and December 30th, 1890 resolutions of the Inch and Loughmore branches of the National League, condemning the conduct of Mr. Edward Ryan, cattle dealer from Thurles, for having taken a grazing farm from Colonel trant. Evidence having been given, the magistrates said they considered the charge proved; but, as it was mr. Longs first offence, they would deal with him under the first offenders act, and order him to find bail for 12 months, and come up for judgement when called on, or go to gaol for three months. The defendant, who declined to give bail, was removed in custody. Mary

28-11-1836 From the Clonmel Advertiser. A savage murder was committed on Sunday evening, between 6 and 7 O'Clock, upon an inoffensive individual named Slattery,a native of Co. Limerick. The unfortunate man was on is way home from Cashel; and when in the suburbs, and adjacent to a police station, he was pounced upon by some inhuman wretches, who beat him so as almost to deprive him of existence at the time. The police, on hearing of the attack, preceeded to the spot , and very successful in apprehending five men who were hallooing and shouting near where the man was lying, and lodged them in the Bridewell. Poor Slattery was removed to the County Infirmary, his head was dreadfully lacerated; there was a cut under his chin, which appeared to have been inflicted with a instrument, all his teeth were knocked out, showing a determination on the part of the assassins to consummate their diabolical desigh. They have done so, for the poor sufferer, after lingering in agony the remainder of the night, was released by the welcome arm of death. The five men remained prisoners till the determination of the coroner's inquest. Inhuman murder. A man named Robert Howard, on his way home to Cloughjordan, where he resided, on Thursday evening last , was attacked by a party of ruffians and desperately beaten. He was found lying insensible and bleeding profusely by a wall within three miles of Roscrea, near Shinrone. The poor man died on Sunday morning. He presented a shocking spectacle. The poor man struggled with his murderers along the road for 20 yards, he was a powerful strong man, and most certainly have been attacked by several. He was a man of most inoffensive manners and was a member of the Temperance Society. No cause can possibly be assigned for the murder, unless that of being a protestant. He left a wife and 11 children to deplore his loss. Incendiarism. On Sunday night the 19th the dwelling house of John Cooke, a respectable farmer, residing on the lands of Cloughleigh, Golden, was discovered to be on fire by his son and servant man, who were returning home at a very late hour from a wake;-they succeeded in alarming the rest of the family, who had long before retired to rest. The flames were fortunately extinguished, and thus an industrious family saved from destruction. After the fire at the dwelling house was put out, the men of the family went to look at another farm, which they had taken about a year since from Mr. Joseph Cooke, and which is situated near their old farm, which they hold under Mr. Richard Creagh, where they had a large quantity of corn in stack in the haggard. On their arrival they found the barn in flames, and partly burned, by great exertions they pulled down the roof of the burning barn, and by so doing, saved a valuable slated house adjoining, and a quantity of corn worth 200?. Mary

29-4-1912 From the Times. Bomb Outrage in Tipperary Dublin April 28th. 1912 Early on Sat. morning another bomb outrage was committed in Tipperary. A short time ago, a farmer named Pratt complained that the roof had been partly blown of his house by a bomb. In the present case the house of John Doheny, farmer and district councillor , at Ardcroney was damaged. Mr. Doheny, his wife, his family and some workmen were awakened at 2 O'Clock in the morning by a loud noise, which Doheny afterwards described as resembling a quarry blast. The glass in one of the windows was broken and some articles in the room near it were thrown down. Doheny ran outside and found a second bomb on a windowsill. He seized the burning fuse and threw it away, thus preventing another explosion. Soon afterwards a thatched outhouse took fire as result of the explosion, but some neighbours who had been awakened by the noise extinguished the fire before much damage was done. Mr. Doheny who is popular in the district is at a loss to account for the outrage. Later in the day the police arrested a farmer named Hugh Hagan, a relative of Doheny, and charged him before a magistrate in Nenagh with having caused the explosion. District-Inspector Price said that when he visited Mr. Doheny's house he found pieces of the exploded bomb in the yard. It had been made of the box or centre-piece of a cartwheel filled with powder and pieces of iron, plugged with wood and filled with iron. He had taken the unexploded bomb to pieces, and found that it contained half a pound of coarse blasting powder. It had been wrapped in canvas which had been tied with twine. On the pump near the house he found a threatening notice which read as follows:"Notice.-Take notice that I require you on behalf or the rightful owner to give up to him the farm in Curravala that you grabbed. If not, mark the consequences. If I have to call again, the buttons of your coat won't be got for the inquest.-Captain Moonlight. To Mr. J. Doheny, Ardcroney. The accused who protested his innocence when arrested and before the magistrate, was, on the application of the police, remanded for a week. Mary

Is anyone either overthere in Templemore or going over soon that can take a few photos? Thx GB --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Hi Mike, I too have an interest in the area around Templemore in Co. Tipperary. My main interest there is in people with the surnames Keyes and Kavanagh, but in the process of tracing them, I have discovered some connections to Morrisseys also. In investigating those connections, I discovered that prize fighter John Morrissey also came from Templemore and accumulated some information about John, including the following, which says that his parents were Timothy and Julia: ============ [References to gravestones of prize-fighter John Morrissey and his family in Troy NY.] from http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/troy/tombstoneM2.htm and http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CoTipperary/2003-07/1057337647 [CoTipperary-L Archives] From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@eircom.net> Subject: Tro, NY cemeteries - M Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:54:07 +0100 MORRISSEY St Peter's RC Cem [Troy NY] Erected by John Morrissey Sept 1, 1866 Side 2: In memory of his mother Julia, wife of Timothy Morrissey of Templemore Co. Tipperary Ireland who died March 13, 1860 aged 54 Side 3: John Morrissey Jr.* Aug 6, 1855-Dec 30, 1876 (obit Jan 3, 1877) Side 4: John Morrissey Feb 12, 1831-May 1, 1878 *(repeated in Oakwood Cemetery; see following stone) [Note by GWB: The Smith family was buried in Oakwood Cemetery - see websites above for more about them. ] see also TROY MORNING WHIG Thurs, May 2 -Mon, May 6, 1878: John Morrissey died May 1, 1878 at Saratoga. Former boxer, N.Y. State Senator and U.S. Congressman. Owner of opulent gambling casino in Saratoga [now a Museum] where great excitement was caused when his beautiful wife Susan visited it for afternoon tea (no ladies were permitted in the gambling area).. Funeral from home of his mother-in-law Mrs. Levi Smith, 583 River Street, Troy from http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/John_Morrissey Birth John was born in County Tipperary, Ireland in 1831. In 1833 his parents emigrated to the US and settled in Troy, NY. Early Life John's father Tim worked on the docks along the Hudson River earning a dollar per day. Early in his life, Morrissey developed a reputation with the local authorities. Desperate to escape poverty, he worked as a cargo thief and also as a collection angent for Irish crime bosses in the area, and before he was 18, he had been indicted twice for burglary, once for assault and battery, and once for assault with intent to kill. Along with his criminal and ferocious fighting abilities, Morrissey also displayed driving ambition, teaching himself to read and write while working as a bouncer at a South Troy brothel. After spending two months in jail, Morrissey left Troy for New York City. [etc. - see website for more] ==================== According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Ryan , Paddy Ryan was born at Thurles, Co. Tipperary on 14 March 1851 and later also lived in Troy NY. I could find no connection between Ryan and Morrissey... However, I have collected some records for people named Keyes from the Templemore area that happen to mention Morrisseys and Ryans. About 3 years ago, I discovered that my ggg-gparents Daniel Kavanagh and Ellen Keyes lived along the Tipperary-Laois border at Clonbugh, just east of Templemore. They had 11 children baptized in the Catholic parish of Templemore / Clonmore between 1823 and 1845. Of the 22 baptismal sponsors mentioned in these records, 6 had the surname Ryan - no Morrisseys there, but other Keyes families did have Morrissey connections. Daniel and Ellen Kavanagh and nearly all their children came to the US between the late 1840s and mid-1850s. Some settled in Paterson, New Jersey (about 13 miles west of New York City), while others went west and settled in Dakota County, Minnesota (just south of Saint Paul). My branch stayed in Paterson. Many other Keyes families arrived in Paterson between the 1840s and early 1900s from the area just east of Templemore, both from County Tipperary and neighboring County Laois. Other families from this same area of Ireland also settled in Paterson, or lived in Paterson for a while before settling elsewhere. I suspect many of these families were related to (or at least knew) each other and my Ellen Keyes. I have been trying to figure out exactly how these Paterson families were related for at least the past 15 years using both US records and, in the past few years, Irish records. The fact that Catholic marriage records in Ireland usually did not state the names of the parents of the bride and groom hampers research considerably. My investigation has also been limited by the fact that Ellen and most of the older generation who settled in Paterson in the early years were born between 1790 and 1810 - just before the start of Catholic records in Templemore parish. So it is hard to determine if they were siblings or cousins of some kind. Another problem is that the Archbishop of Cashel & Emly has allowed records to be available only through Tipperary Family History Research (TFHR), which offers searches for a fee. TFHR requires you to make specific requests for particular families - no blanket lookups for people with the same surname, for example. It is ususally easier to make new discoveries if the records are open for searching. However, I recommend that you try TFHR since you have the names of a set of parents (Timothy & Ellen) and at least one child (your Patrick) who was born in the period for which Catholic records exist in the Templemore area. If your family was from anywhere in the Archdiocese of Cashel & Emly, they should turn up in a search. Have you already commissioned a search from TFHR for them? Do you know if Patrick had any siblings? Is there any chance your Patrick stopped in Paterson for a few years before heading to Wisconsin? Were there other relatives already living in the US that he was joining? I have commissioned many searches from TFHR for Keyes families from Paterson that I have identified through my research in US records. So far, I have found only one Keyes family in Paterson that did not come from the area near Templemore (and I have documented that they came from Co. Fermanagh in northern Ireland and were not Catholic, so very likely unrelated to the others). One of my requests to TFHR for Keyes information yielded the following records for the family of William KEYES and Margaret MORRISSEY. My comments appear in square brackets below [ ]. Included are comments about possible identities of some of the children, sponsors and witnesses. Note that one sponsor was also named Morrissey. MARRIAGE: 22 April 1830 William Keyes & Margaret Morrissey married, witnesses: John O'CARROLL, James DELAHUNTY [There were connections between Keyes and Delahuntys in Paterson also - perhaps the same family.] BAPTISMS of their children: 1. Catherine Keyes bapt. 19 Apr 1830 Dromard; sp. Mary KEENAHAN 2. Margaret Keyes bapt 2 Sep 1832 Dromard; sp. John FITZPATRICK, Mary MORRISSEY [Was this the Margaret Keyes age 28 living in Paterson with John Keyes the grocer in 1860 after his first wife died? Was she a cousin perhaps? Don't know yet...] 3. Ellen Keyes bapt 6 Mar 1835 Graffin; sp. Michael FANNING, Ann FITZPATRICK [Ref. T/More 511] [i.. The sponsor Michael Fanning was probably the father of Edward Fanning, who was baptized 28 Dec 1833 in Templemore/ Clonmore. The Fanning family lived at Dromard at that time (many Keyes lived in Dromard). Edward later lived in Paterson NJ and served in the Civil War. Edward was a known relative of my family - his mother was Catherine "Kitty" Keyes, possibly a sister of my Ellen. ii. This Ellen could be the "daughter of William &Margaret" who m. John LYNCH in Paterson on 8 Nov 1868 - they had children John b. abt 1872 and Margaret A. b. abt 1874 in NJ.] 4. Mary Keyes bapt 15 June 1837 Dromard; sp. Patrick DELAHUNTY & Joanna [DELAHUNTY?] [Are these sponsors the parents of Bridget Delahanty who married Patrick KEYS (son of William & Kitty nee DWYER of Monamonra, Co. Laois) in Paterson on 14 Nov 1869?] 5. Judith Keyes bapt 11 Sep 1839 Dromard; sp. George REDDIN, Mary HEAD [Ref. T/More 512] 6. Michael Keyes bapt 12 Sept 1841 Dromard; sp. James FITZPATRICK, Judith CARROLL [Ref. T/More 512] [Was this the "son of William" who m. Mary KAYS in Paterson in 1866? A Margaret, widow of William, was listed with Michael in 1871 at 133 Mechanic in Paterson.] 7. John Keyes bapt 11 Feb 1844 Dromard; sp. Martin KEYES, Ellen KEYES [Ref. T/More 512] 8. William Keyes bapt 15 Aug 1846 Dromard; sp Charles DUNNE, Margaret DELANEY [Ref. T/More 512] 9. Bridget Keyes bapt 11 Feb 1850 Dromard; sp. John CARROLL, Anne REDDIN [Ref. T/More 513] I have records for another Keyes family from the Templemore area who also settled in Paterson - Morrisseys appear as sponsors for two of their children (note the Jeremiah in particular): baptisms of children of MARTIN KEYES & FANNY REDDAN (who later came to Paterson) 7. James Keyes bapt. 5 Oct 1841, Dromard; sp. John Keyes, Honoria Morrissey 9. Patrick Keyes bapt. 7 Mar 1847, Clonmore; sp. Jeremiah Morrissey, Margaret Morrissey Some of the Keyes who settled in Paterson lived in neighboring Co. Laois, in the Catholic parishes of Rathdowney and Aghaboe (not in Diocese of Cashel & Emly). These are adjacent to Templemore/Clonmore parish, but in another county and diocese. I have been tracing them as well, but in those cases, I have been able to look at the records myself. The limiting factor there is again the start date of the records in Aghaboe, which are available from the Family History Library. I have found some Morrisseys mentioned in the Aghaboe Catholic parish records. The Catholic records for Rathdowney are available only in Dublin, and although they begin in the mid-1700s, there is a 40-year gap in the early 1800s that makes it extremely hard to connect families before and after the gap. I just returned from a trip to Dublin during which I searched the Rathdowney records. I still have much analysis to do, but it to me appears that all the Catholic Keyes families in this area could be related. I may have extracted some Morrisseys in the process - I haven't put all my extractions from that trip onto the computer yet. A Timothy Morissey also appears in Bordwell civil parish in Co. Laois, near the Tipperary border. My ggg-gfather Edward Harold (born in Co. Tipperary) was living in this part of Co. Laois when Griffith's was done. I have found many cases where families moved around in this border area - at least in the 1830s through 1850s. Regards, Geralyn Wood Barry from Oregon Mike Morrissey wrote: >I have enjoyed much reading the information from this list serve, and >am amazed at the quality and helpfulness of the respondents. Dare I >seek some input and your good offices? > >Here is what i know about my Morrissey ancestors. My gggrandfather >Timothy Morrissey and his wife Ellen lived in Tipp. Their son Patrick >(born 1834) came to the States in about 1850, stopping for a few years >in Wisconsin and then traveling on to southern Minnesota and settling >in Waseca County. It was there that he lived, had eight children, and >died. The forty acres of land that he farmed and lost for taxes is >today lush bottom land with corn that grows eight feet tall. > >I am from the issue of Patrick through his son Jeremiah, and my father >William Leo. My focus on South Tipp is because many years ago, when I >was young and callow and paid too little attention to what dad said, he >told me that he would write letters to Tipp for his father, and they >were addressed to Ballinastick, Whites Estate, County Tipp. I can only >assume they were to immediate family still living there. > >Of course I am searching for the original plot of land, like all >foolish Irish Americans, where Patrick was born and where Timothy and >Ellen might have been born, married, and buried. It is a pitiful amount >to go on, but hope springs eternal. > >I have family history telling of another line from Tipp, Thomas Michael >Ryan married Alice B. O'Brien, and they came to America about 1850 as >well. I think that it is highly likely that Patrick Morrissey came to >the New World with them. Grandfather Jeremiah maintained that we were >related to two men who held the heavyweight championship of the world, >John Morrissey (nicknamed Old Smoke, and later a Senator from the State >of New York) and Paddy Ryan. Both were from the Templemore area, and I >am told were cousins. So, if local folk yet today claim to be related >to these famous pugilists, then they are kin of mine! Any thoughts or >assistance or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. >Sincerely, > >Mike Morrissey >731 5th Ave. NW >Valley City, ND 58072 >701-845-8958 > > >

GDAY Mike:) Re Your Morrisseys in Tipperary, i think we have emailed before re My Lot that came here to South Australia in 1855 Michael Morrissey Born tipperary circa 1816, wife catherine too born circa 1816 Children...Bridget Born circa 1837, Mary Born 1839, Margaret Born 1841(my ggrandmother), Ellen Born 1843, Thomas Born 1851, Honora Born 1854 Thomas Aged 4 Died On trip Over There was also Another MORRISSEY family that came here a few yrs later, Timothy, and Brian, Born apparently Cashel Tipp, circa 1830s Their Father was Michael...They were 2 of around 15 siblings I have always wondered if My MORRISSEy lot connect to them But as yet no Proof Regards Cathy:) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello Everyone! Every year for vacation I pack away a good book to read by the pool and this years selection is: For God or King: History of Mountshannon by Gerard Madden My only documentation of my family existing in Ireland is in the town of Mountshannon and I would love to read more abt. its history and its people. I begged, pleaded and googled for this book and so far no one can produce it for me. If you should have a copy collecting dust and you would like to part with it please contact me for negotiations!!! Thanks... Debbie in Indiana

I have enjoyed much reading the information from this list serve, and am amazed at the quality and helpfulness of the respondents. Dare I seek some input and your good offices? Here is what i know about my Morrissey ancestors. My gggrandfather Timothy Morrissey and his wife Ellen lived in Tipp. Their son Patrick (born 1834) came to the States in about 1850, stopping for a few years in Wisconsin and then traveling on to southern Minnesota and settling in Waseca County. It was there that he lived, had eight children, and died. The forty acres of land that he farmed and lost for taxes is today lush bottom land with corn that grows eight feet tall. I am from the issue of Patrick through his son Jeremiah, and my father William Leo. My focus on South Tipp is because many years ago, when I was young and callow and paid too little attention to what dad said, he told me that he would write letters to Tipp for his father, and they were addressed to Ballinastick, Whites Estate, County Tipp. I can only assume they were to immediate family still living there. Of course I am searching for the original plot of land, like all foolish Irish Americans, where Patrick was born and where Timothy and Ellen might have been born, married, and buried. It is a pitiful amount to go on, but hope springs eternal. I have family history telling of another line from Tipp, Thomas Michael Ryan married Alice B. O'Brien, and they came to America about 1850 as well. I think that it is highly likely that Patrick Morrissey came to the New World with them. Grandfather Jeremiah maintained that we were related to two men who held the heavyweight championship of the world, John Morrissey (nicknamed Old Smoke, and later a Senator from the State of New York) and Paddy Ryan. Both were from the Templemore area, and I am told were cousins. So, if local folk yet today claim to be related to these famous pugilists, then they are kin of mine! Any thoughts or assistance or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Mike Morrissey 731 5th Ave. NW Valley City, ND 58072 701-845-8958

Everybody has had a say, so now let us just drop the Bradshaw debacle and get back to genealogy on the list. Tom On Aug 9, 2006, at 6:00 PM, IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: IRL-TIPPERARY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 209 Today's Topics: #1 Hogan [Barbara <wordsbt@bigpond.net.au>] #2 Apology to Paddy Waldron ["Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com] Administrivia: Please be sure to change the SUBJECT line!! To unsubscribe from IRL-TIPPERARY-D, send a message to IRL-TIPPERARY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY-D list administrator, send mail to IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ From: Barbara <wordsbt@bigpond.net.au> Date: August 9, 2006 12:09:45 AM PDT To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hogan Hello everyone I'm new to this list, but what I have read so far is fascinating. I am researching my gggfather, Edmond Hogan who was transported to New South Wales along with three other members of his family in 1827. The others were Mathew, Michael and John (sounds like a pop song!). I believe Edmond and Mathew were brothers, not so sure about Michael and John. Maybe they were all brothers or maybe the latter two were cousins. Mathew and Michael were both born in 1795, Edmond in 1802 and John in 1809. They were tenants of the Mansergh estate at Grenane and Richard Mansergh wrote a submission on their behalf, but they were still transported. Perhaps it saved them from hanging as they were all convicted of the manslaughter of Charles McCarthy at the Killenaule Fair on 1 July 1826. I am now trying to find out more about the families of these four men. Both Mathew and Michael were married, with children before they were transported. Edmond married in Australia and had ten children and I am a descendant of his youngest child. Don't know anything about John. I think Edmond and Mathew's father was John and their mother was Eleanor Dwire (Dwyer). I would be so grateful to hear from anyone who might have further information on this family. I'm hoping to visit Ireland next May si I will definitely be visiting Tipperary. Best wishes Barbara Dobinson ______________________________ From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> Date: August 9, 2006 7:30:51 AM PDT To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Apology to Paddy Waldron I have heard from Paddy and he has reminded me that a year and a half ago I did send him the file and I hereby publicly deeply apologize for the trouble, and in that I include all of you. I am also sorry that he was not able to answer Declan when the problem came up. At some point he sent the file to Declan without my knowledge. Since so much time had passed between my sending him my file and the truly startling message from Declan, I can only blame my early onset Alzheimer's for the gross memory failure. I will remind everyone that the file is old and contains errors that have since been resolved and which still has many questionable items yet to be resolved. Janet

I have heard from Paddy and he has reminded me that a year and a half ago I did send him the file and I hereby publicly deeply apologize for the trouble, and in that I include all of you. I am also sorry that he was not able to answer Declan when the problem came up. At some point he sent the file to Declan without my knowledge. Since so much time had passed between my sending him my file and the truly startling message from Declan, I can only blame my early onset Alzheimer's for the gross memory failure. I will remind everyone that the file is old and contains errors that have since been resolved and which still has many questionable items yet to be resolved. Janet

Hello everyone I'm new to this list, but what I have read so far is fascinating. I am researching my gggfather, Edmond Hogan who was transported to New South Wales along with three other members of his family in 1827. The others were Mathew, Michael and John (sounds like a pop song!). I believe Edmond and Mathew were brothers, not so sure about Michael and John. Maybe they were all brothers or maybe the latter two were cousins. Mathew and Michael were both born in 1795, Edmond in 1802 and John in 1809. They were tenants of the Mansergh estate at Grenane and Richard Mansergh wrote a submission on their behalf, but they were still transported. Perhaps it saved them from hanging as they were all convicted of the manslaughter of Charles McCarthy at the Killenaule Fair on 1 July 1826. I am now trying to find out more about the families of these four men. Both Mathew and Michael were married, with children before they were transported. Edmond married in Australia and had ten children and I am a descendant of his youngest child. Don't know anything about John. I think Edmond and Mathew's father was John and their mother was Eleanor Dwire (Dwyer). I would be so grateful to hear from anyone who might have further information on this family. I'm hoping to visit Ireland next May si I will definitely be visiting Tipperary. Best wishes Barbara Dobinson